[09:12] <mr_pouit> micahg: not right now, because only a few ones have been uploaded, so I can still manage that. When all panel plugins (30+) are uploaded, your help will be welcome though ;P
[09:12] <mr_pouit> (but some core libs are still in new, so there's still time)
[09:14] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: :) that was nice, but a bit overcrowded (and I didn't attend to many talks, I mostly talked with the Xfce and some ubuntu-fr guys)
[14:27] <ochosi> arr, just installed the latest updates on my natty install and now it doesn't even boot anymore
[14:27] <ochosi> guess i gotta do a fresh install (which on the other hand is great for testing)
[14:28] <charlie-tca> where is it stopping?
[14:28] <ochosi> hard to say, stupid plymouth doesn't show any errors at all
[14:28] <ochosi> maybe i'll mount the partition in maverick and look in /var/log
[14:28] <charlie-tca> get to the grub menu, remove "quiet splash" so you can see the messages
[14:29] <ochosi> yeah, that would be another option
[14:29] <charlie-tca> hit shift right after bios check to get the grub menu
[14:30] <ochosi> k, seems to be the nouveau driver not working well
[14:30] <ochosi> Fatal server error:
[14:30] <ochosi> [    10.463] no screens found
[14:30] <charlie-tca> yup
[14:30] <ochosi> maybe it's because of the options in my xorg.conf (that i need for the proprietary nvidia-driver)
[14:30] <charlie-tca> You don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, do you?
[14:31] <charlie-tca> Natty won't use the nvidia hardware driver yet, it is not compatible with Xserver 1.10
[14:31] <ochosi> i renamed/moved it, will try to boot again now
[14:31] <ochosi> brb
[14:33] <ochosi> mkay, now it boots again
[14:33] <ochosi> but i guess i have to put some stupid xrandr-command in my startup now
[14:33] <ochosi> mr_pouit: you mentioned earlier that the panel-config is not in the settings-manager?
[14:33] <charlie-tca> yeah, nouveau won't boot with the xorg.conf file. I don't know how to make it, either
[14:34] <ochosi> awwwh, noveau/xrandr doesn't recognize my external screen
[14:34]  * charlie-tca got his "one right thing" in for today
[14:34] <ochosi> i mean now i have it cloned in a small section of the large external monitor
[14:34] <ochosi> but that's about it
[14:35] <ochosi> what's that, charlie-tca ?
[14:35] <charlie-tca> that one I don't know how to fix, either
[14:35] <charlie-tca> I only get one right answer a day, myself. I used it up for today...
[14:35] <ochosi> k, but what answer was it?
[14:36] <charlie-tca> your /etc/X11/xorg.conf stopping the boot
[14:36] <ochosi> ah :D
[14:36] <ochosi> btw, did you copy the stuff from the shimmer wiki to the xubuntu wiki already?
[14:36] <charlie-tca> no
[14:36] <charlie-tca> no time yet. :-(
[14:36] <ochosi> k, where would you want to put it?
[14:36] <ochosi> np
[14:40] <ochosi> charlie-tca: shall i create new points/links in "new objectives for natty"? (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap)
[14:41] <ochosi> any other place is just as good with me, just let me know
[14:42] <charlie-tca> sure
[14:42] <charlie-tca> I don't see anything that works real good, and it will change for each release, won't it?
[14:43] <ochosi> you mean the roadmap-thing?
[14:43] <ochosi> or the wiki structure in general?
[14:43] <charlie-tca> the publicity thing will be changed/added to for each new release
[14:43] <ochosi> ah right
[14:43] <ochosi> yeah
[14:44] <charlie-tca> yeah, go ahead and create it
[14:44] <ochosi> is that all you want to move from here: http://wiki.knome.fi/xubuntu:start ?
[14:45] <ochosi> brb (gotta boot back to maverick, this small resolution is driving me nuts)
[14:48] <charlie-tca> Isn't the rest your development stuff, that might go to any other distro as well, should you decide, or is it limited to xubuntu?
[14:55] <mr_pouit> ochosi: it is, but it doesn't use "pluggable dialogs", so it will open a new window
[15:53] <ochosi> charlie-tca: atm it's limited to xubuntu, i'm not involved in any other distros
[15:53] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ah right, i never clicked it tbh :)
[15:53] <charlie-tca> I leave it up to you, then. If you are comfortable with it on shimmer, it is fine
[15:53] <charlie-tca> Otherwise, we can put it under Artwork
[15:54] <ochosi> ok
[15:54] <ochosi> i'll think about it
[15:54] <charlie-tca> I think our interest is in the final results, more than the development phases, it that makes any sense
[15:54] <ochosi> yeah, that was also the main reason why i kept it in the shimmer wiki
[15:55] <ochosi> i don't wanna spam the xubuntu wiki with dev-progress stuff
[15:55] <charlie-tca> i can agree with that.
[15:55] <ochosi> unless it's decided that people want to see more what happens behind the curtain
[15:55] <ochosi> with which i'm also ok
[15:55] <ochosi> maybe we can decide that for the next cycle
[15:55] <charlie-tca> If someone requests it, we can do it
[15:55] <ochosi> yep
[15:56] <ochosi> wow, i could in fact go to the next UDS
[15:56] <ochosi> it's pretty close to where i live
[15:57] <charlie-tca> You could even apply for sponsorship
[15:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: are you going to Budapest?
[15:57] <ochosi> maybe not even needed, it's a 3hrs journey by train and i might be able to find a place to stay with friends
[15:58] <charlie-tca> http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[15:58] <charlie-tca> I want to
[15:58] <charlie-tca> applied for it, at least
[15:59] <charlie-tca> Might be way exhausting for me, but there is a Jazz festival that week in Budapest, too.
[15:59] <charlie-tca> If I can get to UDS, I will try to get to that, too.
[15:59] <ochosi> what jazz festival?
[16:02] <charlie-tca> Jazz Spring 
[16:03] <charlie-tca> International Jazz Festival
[16:03] <charlie-tca> http://www.corinthia.com/Budapest/Budapest-guide/whats-on-in-Budapest/
[16:05] <ochosi> looks nice
[16:05] <charlie-tca> That was my thought. It is not cost prohibitive, either
[18:11] <micahg> anyone have any issues upgrading Thunderbird on natty recently?
[18:13] <charlie-tca> micahg: working here
[18:13] <micahg> 3.1.8+build2+nobinonly-0ubuntu2?
[18:13] <charlie-tca> version 3.1.8
[18:14] <charlie-tca> 3.1.8+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu5 installed
[18:15] <charlie-tca> 3.1.8+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu6 candidate
[18:15] <micahg> charlie-tca: right, that's the old one still, there is a build2+ubuntu1 and build2+ubuntu2 now
[18:15] <charlie-tca> hm, need to run updates again then
[18:16] <charlie-tca> It is in updates, will run them and let you know
[18:16] <micahg> charlie-tca: thanks
[18:17] <charlie-tca> I only been updating once a day this week
[18:19] <micahg> charlie-tca: I think that's pretty standard :)
[18:21] <charlie-tca> Some weeks it is a 4-time a day thing
[18:43] <charlie-tca> micahg: no errors on updates, starting thunderbird now
[18:43] <micahg> charlie-tca: cool, thanks, you got all the way to build2 ubuntu2
[18:44] <charlie-tca> yes
[18:45] <micahg> ok, thanks
[18:45] <charlie-tca> firefox 4.0b11 does not save tabs, even checked in preferences to reopen all tabs when starting
[18:45] <charlie-tca> thunderbird worked
[18:48] <micahg> charlie-tca: from chrisccoulson: you need to go to History -> Restore Previous Session
[18:50] <charlie-tca> really?
[18:50] <charlie-tca> Thanks