[03:12] <johnjohn101> just loaded alpha 2.  will there be an ubuntu with the standard ubuntu shell?
[03:12] <johnjohn101> i'm giving unity a thumbs down...
[10:10] <Guest87964> hi, need help, after last upgrade, got into dependency hell, with nvidia vs xserver-xorg-core
[10:11] <Guest87964> it says nvidia provides xserver-xorg-8
[10:12] <susundberg> You might want to see: http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/48910
[10:12] <susundberg> it might certainly also be a bug
[10:13] <Guest87964> the worst thing is i dont understand why i can't do it manually i mean rmmod nouveau and insmod nvidia
[10:14] <Guest87964> should be that simple
[10:14] <Guest87964> susundberg: i'll check it out latter i get to desktop lynx is not much sexy
[10:15] <susundberg> Check
[10:15] <susundberg> if problem is nouveau you need to blacklist it
[10:15] <susundberg> you cannot rmmod it as you are probably using framebuffer that requires that
[10:15] <susundberg> (afaik)
[10:16] <susundberg> (i have found nouveau better than nvidia and i am using currently it)
[10:17] <susundberg> at least last nvidia (binary) installer though _does_ blacklist the nouveau
[10:17] <Guest87964> susundberg: can you tell me please, i'll write down how did you install nouveau
[10:18] <eruditehermit> hello, does fglrx work with natty?
[10:19] <susundberg> install nouveau
[10:19] <susundberg> Guest87964: install nouveau?
[10:19] <susundberg> apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[10:19] <susundberg> and update your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:19] <Guest87964> susundberg: ok, i'll try now and tell if succesed of failed
[10:20] <Guest87964> susundberg: yes, i have to replace nvidia with nouveau right in xorg.con?
[10:20] <eruditehermit> nevermind found it
[10:20] <susundberg> Guest87964: yup
[10:20] <Guest87964> ok
[10:29] <root_> 564902 i got error!
[10:29] <root_> susundberg: it's me
[10:54] <pr0ph3t> hi all, do I need to add a PPA to keep compiz updated in natty?
[10:59] <ior3k> does nouveau work well for everyone?
[11:00] <ior3k> I get "[drm] Unable to open device" or similar
[11:00] <ior3k> after the x upgrade, only nv works well for me
[11:00] <ior3k> well, only nv works, period
[11:05] <root__> susundberg: hi, remeber me?
[11:05] <root__> susundberg: you said that nouveau is better
[11:05] <susundberg> sorry i am busy with real work
[11:05] <susundberg> yea?
[11:05] <root__> susundberg: ah
[11:06] <susundberg> whats the problem?
[11:06] <root__> susundberg: ofcourse that's not work for me either
[11:07] <root__> susundberg: problem with X can't start
[11:07] <root__> susundberg: can you pastebinit your xorg.conf
[11:09] <root__> it says VGA mode is choosen but options available iirc
[11:18] <juk> hi, need help with xorg, 564923 and 24
[11:18] <juk> anyone who using nouveau drivers can paste xorg.conf for me?
[12:41] <tzanger> just a quick question regarding natty... so far it's been great and I'm excited to help test it
[12:41] <tzanger> I've been using gpg-agent and ssh keys for years now... with natty though it seems terribly broken.
[12:42] <tzanger> I've updated from 10.10, which was updated from 10.04 on this particular machine.  it was working great in 10.10 but now even though I see the agent running and see the environment variable, the agent doesn't seem to get invoked.  ssh will ask for the key's passphrase on the CLI instead of using the pin agent
[12:42] <tzanger> /etc/alternatives/pinagent correctly links to /usr/bin/pinentry-qt4, and /usr/bin/pinentry-qt4 runs
[12:42] <tzanger> is there anything specific I should be looking for to help track down the trouble?
[14:15] <dumbus> hey guys whatsup with nvidia xserver conflict
[14:16] <dumbus> nvidia no longer depends on X?
[14:30] <lamalex> When will the nvidia driver for x 1.10 be uploaded?
[14:38] <pr0ph3t> hi all, what is wrong with canberra-gtk-play? why is it nowhere to be seen?
[14:39] <tzanger> I've found this channel is less for actual support of those testing the alphas and more for people coming and complaining
[14:39] <tzanger> I've been here for the past 24h and only one actual conversation has taken place
[14:40] <Pici> Well its certainly not as active as our other channels, but depending on what can be supported, many of us at least ry.
[14:40] <pr0ph3t> tzanger, I am not complaining if you were referring to me, the fact that I'm running natty makes me a tester of some sort as a matter of fact and I've found a possible bug
[14:41] <tzanger> no no
[14:41] <tzanger> I am saying that as the official channel for support for the alphas, this has been pretty disappointing
[14:41] <tzanger> I am trying to report bugs as well
[14:41] <tzanger> I find the bugtracker more responsive but when you need interactive help it's less useful
[14:44] <pr0ph3t> well have you had the same problem of no sound at login because canberra-gtk-play is not in /usr/bin/ ?
[14:44] <Pici> pr0ph3t: Looks like its missing from the file listing of libcanberra-gtk0
[14:45] <pr0ph3t> Pici, interesting point
[14:45] <Pici> bug 689434 *might* be related.
[14:50] <Pici> pr0ph3t: Actually, it looks like canberra-gtk-play is shipping in libcanberra-gtk3-0, but as the changelog for libcanberra (0.26-1ubuntu6) says we're not using gtk3 by default.  http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/libc/libcanberra/libcanberra_0.26-1ubuntu9/changelog
[14:51] <pr0ph3t> Pici, I don't have libcanberra-gtk3-0 installed, I only have libcanberra-gtk0
[14:54] <Pici> pr0ph3t: Right. I'd still say its a bug, but you may want to mention that it was moved to a new package in your bug report.
[14:54] <pr0ph3t> Pici, and that is the problem, installing libcanberra-gtk3-0 solved it. As I was installing I got the apt messages "selecting previously deselected package licanberra..."
[14:55] <pr0ph3t> so during the upgrade these packages were deselected right? I upgraded as opposed to doing a clean install
[14:56] <Pici> I'd have to check my natty install, but it may be that they're not properly setup as dependencies.
[15:01] <tzanger> pr0ph3t: no, I have sound... my trouble is that gpg-agent/ssh-agent don't seem to work even though the env vars are set, the agent's running (it's setting the env vars) and pinentry's executable
[15:38] <alvin> Is there a way to boot into something resembling text mode. (I don't know how to call it). I can see the grub menu, so it is possible to change things there. After that, nothing is readable.
[15:39] <meborc> is there a recovery mode in the grub menu?'
[15:42] <alvin> There is, but when using that, the output to the screen is also garbled.
[15:42] <alvin> (intel videocard)
[15:43] <alvin> X crashed on Lucid, and I wanted to know whether Natty was better. So far, it's a command line install.
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> alvin: see the MOTD
[15:43] <meborc> if you boot up into normal mode, can you ctrl+alt+F1 to get into tty?
[15:43] <alvin> Not a readable one
[15:44] <ActionParsnip> alvin: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-February/032378.html
[15:44] <alvin> ActionParsnip: thanks
[15:44] <ActionParsnip> alvin: it was there when you logged in....
[15:44] <alvin> Yes, I'm reading the bug now
[15:48] <alvin> It's not relevant. That bug is light corruption under X. X isn't even installed here.
[16:17] <dneary> Hi
[16:18] <dneary> Is anyone else seeing a conflict between libegl1-mesa and libdgles2 on Natty in the last couple of days?
[16:19] <patdk-wk> I didn't yesterday
[16:21] <dneary> patdk-wk, I don't suppose you have the MeeGo ARM SDK installed, do you?
[16:21] <dneary> dgles2 gets pulled in by qemu
[16:21] <patdk-wk> nope
[16:21] <dneary> ah, well
[18:10] <galamar> hello
[18:13] <galamar> i once got help here for making my joystick work as a mouse while running 11.04. i am now running 10.04 and cant remember the program that i was told to use?
[18:14]  * patdk-wk notes the topic
[18:16] <tzanger> just a quick question regarding natty... so far it's been great and I'm excited to help test it
[18:16] <tzanger> I've been using gpg-agent and ssh keys for years now... with natty though it seems terribly broken.
[18:16] <tzanger> I've updated from 10.10, which was updated from 10.04 on this particular machine.  it was working great in 10.10 but now even though I see the agent running and see the environment variable, the agent doesn't seem to get invoked.  ssh will ask for the key's passphrase on the CLI instead of using the pin agent
[18:17] <tzanger> /etc/alternatives/pinagent correctly links to /usr/bin/pinentry-qt4, and /usr/bin/pinentry-qt4 runs
[18:17] <tzanger> is there anything specific I should be looking for to help track down the trouble?
[19:30] <bananas> hello?
[19:31] <Pici> howdy
[19:34] <bananas> Pici: I was wondering, is there a way to upgrade to 11.04 using a ppa or something like that?
[19:34] <bananas> I'm not too keen on using up another CD for a 2nd alpha rofl
[19:34] <Pici> bananas: No need, just sudo do-realease-upgrade -d   or update-manager -d if you like the gui
[19:35] <bananas> thanks!
[19:35] <Pici> It should be mentioned in the Alpha 2 link in the topic.
[19:35] <bananas> realease, or release?
[19:35] <Pici> bananas: er, release.  (typo(
[19:35] <bananas> oh, how silly of me I visited that page before and completely overlooked it, hehe
[19:53] <alkisg_web> I'm having problems with grub, natty and btrfs. As in, "grub rescue>" after every grub upgrade.
[19:54] <alkisg_web> Grub postinst complains about "unknown filesystem". Anything I can do to make it btrfs-aware?
[19:58] <alkisg_web> ...the temporary solution that I use is to boot with the Lucid live cd, chroot into natty/btrfs, and run `apt-get install -f`. os-probe works from there, no idea why.
[19:59] <alkisg_web> rebooting, brb
[19:59] <Daekdroom> alkisg_web, as far as I know, you shouldn't put /boot/ in a btrfs partition
[19:59] <Daekdroom> Make a separate /boot partition as ext4.
[19:59] <alkisg_web> Daekdroom: I think a patch was added to grub to support btrfs booting
[19:59] <alkisg_web> And it does, it's only grub.postinst that fails
[20:00] <alkisg_web> And grub.postinst succeeds if ran from `chroot` from lucid
[20:00] <alkisg_web> So I believe it's now a problem with os.prober
[20:01] <alkisg_web> brb, rebooting...
[20:25] <BUGabundo> !info notification-daemon 
[20:26] <BUGabundo> I have no idea why that doesn't work for me
[20:26] <BUGabundo> I can even remove it, and nothing depends on it :\
[20:26] <BUGabundo> !depends notification-daemon 
[20:31] <alkisg> OK got it, the problem was that I had enabled compression in fstab for the btrfs natty partition
[20:31] <BUGabundo> eewww
[20:31] <BUGabundo> that's bad!
[20:31] <alkisg> So when I was using the live cd to recover grub, it wasn't using compression (wasn't reading fstab)
[20:31] <BUGabundo> don't enable compression on btrfs
[20:32] <alkisg> Compression is the *only* reason I was trying btrfs :)
[20:32] <BUGabundo> really?
[20:32] <alkisg> Exporting a btrfs partition via nbd
[20:32] <BUGabundo> I'm because of snapshots and SSD
[20:32] <alkisg> It's supposed to consume less bandwidth than an ext4 partition
[20:32] <BUGabundo> and does it ?
[20:33] <alkisg> I haven't gotten to actual testing yet, but I don't see why not
[20:43] <coz_> hey all
[20:44] <BUGabundo> hey coz_
[20:44] <coz_> BUGabundo,  hey guy :)
[20:44] <BUGabundo> "guy" LOL
[20:45] <coz_> :)
[20:45] <coz_> BUGabundo,  you are a man ...yes?
[20:45] <BUGabundo> ofc
[20:46] <coz_> :)
[20:47] <savedvars> i just upgraded to natty on my desktop, but Im stuck on the boot screen. Its not frozen but its inactive. any keyboard shortcut to drop to a terminal or something?
[20:47] <savedvars> i tried rebooting into recovery mode but grub isnt showing at all, so cant figure out a way to.
[20:50] <alkisg> Grub isn't showing even if you have shift pressed while booting?
[20:50] <savedvars> didnt try that. sec
[20:51] <guntbert> savedvars: press the left <shift> key
[20:53] <savedvars> aye, works, got a netroot. thanks
[20:58] <alkisg> Oooops unity is seriously broken in horrible ways...
[21:00] <alkisg> Any quick way to get a terminal while using unity?
[21:00] <alkisg> Scrolling doesn't work in "applications" so I can't locate it there
[21:00] <alkisg> Alt+F2 doesn't work either
[21:02] <coz_> alkisg,   did you try to create a launcher
[21:02] <alkisg> coz_: ty, forgot about them
[21:02] <coz_> alkisg,   just right click the  see if you can create a launcher for gnome-terminal
[21:03] <alkisg> Finally, I got power again in my hands :D
[21:03] <coz_> alkisg,  is this an nvidia video ?
[21:03] <alkisg> No, intel
[21:03] <coz_> ah ok
[21:03] <savedvars> grr, installed nvidia 270 drivers but still no luck getting past boot screen. in recovery mode i can get to a tty, but sudo start kdm just opens a new tty. any idea?
[21:05] <bjsnider> savedvars, the nvidia blob doesn't work with the current...
[21:05] <bjsnider> wait, how did you install that driver?
[21:06] <savedvars> from nvidia"s website
[21:06] <savedvars> 270 is said to support 10.1
[21:06] <bjsnider> the nvidia installer isn't compatible with ubuntu
[21:07] <bjsnider> you have now damaged your system
[21:07] <savedvars> ive been using it for years, never had issues.
[21:07] <bjsnider> furthermore, the 270 blob is only compatible with an earlier version of the current xserver
[21:08] <alkisg> Ouch, xrandr with unity don't get along well
[21:10] <Daekdroom> savedvars, really, "never had issues" doesn't apply to a alpha software.
[21:10] <savedvars> yeah but saying the nvidia installer isnt compatible with ubuntu is harsh, given that its always worked.
[21:10] <Daekdroom> Of course it's not harsh.
[21:11]  * alkisg hugs his "Ubuntu Classic Desktop"... :)
[21:11] <Daekdroom> It's always worked because nvidia had a time to compile new drivers. You're pretty much skipping that time by using Alpha software.
[21:12] <bjsnider> yeah, you can use the nvidia-installer and it will install and work. but it will also overwrite system files in favour of its own, making it difficult or impossible to switch drivers if necessary
[21:12] <bjsnider> and by the way, you need to switch to nouveau right now, and may not be able to
[21:12] <Daekdroom> By the time Natty is released, nvidia will be working. You're comparing oranges (stable versions) to apples (alpha).
[21:12] <savedvars> im not talking about abi compat, i was replying to the "nvidia installer" compatibility.
[21:13] <bjsnider> and also, nvidia recommends using the distribution installer instead of its own right here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490
[21:13] <savedvars> anyway, TTY lines are very slow to print (like a throttle), is that expected?
[21:13] <Daekdroom> The installer should work. What shouldn't is the driver.
[21:14] <savedvars> yea im installing nouveau atm
[21:16] <savedvars> bjsnider, any known issues with nouveau?
[21:17] <bjsnider> on your system there probably will be because you may be missing mesa files now
[21:18] <bjsnider> we do have the x-updates ppa for new nvidia drivers to be installed the right way
[21:19] <savedvars> bjsnider, do they work at all?
[21:19] <bjsnider> does what work?
[21:19] <savedvars> the nvidia drivers in x-updates ppa
[21:20] <bjsnider> right now, they conflict with everything in natty because if anyone tried to use them they wouldn't work
[21:20] <bjsnider> so they're not installable
[21:20] <bjsnider> as a safety measure
[21:20] <savedvars> aight
[21:21] <bjsnider> but we get those drivers in there the same day they're released
[21:24] <savedvars> bjsnider, nouveau works, i just had to edit xorg.conf manually
[21:56] <BUGabundo> anyone think they can help me? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/716136
[22:51] <BUGabundo> ping
[22:59] <BUGabundo> WOW
[22:59] <BUGabundo> what happened to ATOP ???
[22:59] <BUGabundo> its soooooooooooooo different