[02:01] <prpplague> if anyone has feedback on rev2 of the trainer board, please post at http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Trainer
[05:23] <ruckuus> Hello everyone
[05:25] <ruckuus> I am trying to create Ubuntu rootfs for Samsung s3c6410 based board.
[05:26] <ruckuus> How to specify the kernel to be used? --seed linux-image-???
[08:30] <Tims_> Hi, maybe some of you remembering me from yesterday. I can't get my Webcam working on an Gumstix Overo (omap3503). Unfurtunately I have to give the gumstix away, what they tell me just today.
[08:32] <Tims_> So I hope there is anybody who can help me a little bit.
[08:32] <Tims_> The conclusion of yesterday was, that I have to build my one kernel
[08:34] <Tims_> because everytime I try to install, for example "qc-usb-source"-driver, it end in failure due to the kernel, he cant find the one which is neccessarry
[08:35] <Tims_> but on the gumstix webpage I searched and found a kernel which fits from the kernel-number, but the error apeared further.
[08:37] <LetoThe2nd> probably you don't have the kernels headers installed.
[08:41] <LetoThe2nd> for understandment: you don't compile against a running binary kernel, but against its api. the api is in the headers. no headers - no compiling against the kernel.
[08:48] <Tims_> i installed kernel, maybe the wrong one, let me take a look
[08:50] <Tims_> i installed kernel-headers, maybe the wrong one, let me take a look
[08:59] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: hint for getting your thoughts going: you install a gumstix-specific kernel. you sound like you have installed the kernel-headers from the repo. how should the repo contain the headers fitting for your vendor kernel?
[08:59] <Tims_> It is installed linux-headers-2.6.32-21 and 2.6.32-28
[08:59] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: ok, and that should be enough to make you think. remember the kernel version number you told us yesterday?
[08:59] <LetoThe2nd> are they fitting?
[09:00] <Tims_> no, but I cant remove it
[09:01] <LetoThe2nd> thats not the point. point is, you need the headers fitting your running kernel. and thats where we come back to.... you already know it? wanna guess? right, documentation! :D
[09:01] <Tims_> the kernel which i get with uname and which i find in the debs are fittig, so maybe so only thing is to remove de wrong one
[09:02] <LetoThe2nd> yesterday you told us, you're running some whacked 2.6.34 or .35-overo. and thats certainly not fitting to 2.6.32-21/-28. right?
[09:04] <Tims_> yesterday! do you think I turning my thumbs here?
[09:04] <LetoThe2nd> honest answer?
[09:05] <LetoThe2nd> and as of today you have not provided new information, i only can think yesterday infos are still uptodate.
[09:05] <Tims_> 9:35
[09:06] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: "i installed kernel"... sorry, no information given which one.
[09:08] <Tims_> i said the one how fits, i thought the number is irrelevant if the fit
[09:11] <XorA|gone> persia: ping
[09:12] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: honestly, i doubt your judgement on "fitting". :-)
[09:12] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: for a beginning you might name the _exact_ version of the running kernel, where it's from and how you have installed it.
[09:15] <Tims_> uname -a : Linux gumstix 2.6.32 #1 Thu Mar 18 22:40:54 PDT 2010 amv7l GNU/Linux
[09:16] <Tims_> i get it from here: http://www.sakoman.com/feeds/omap3/glibc/images/overo/
[09:17] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: i see neither a -21 nor a -28. so: guessing time again... fitting or not fitting?
[09:18] <Tims_> i don't know where or how I can find/see the last number
[09:18] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: if it's not there, it's not there. in the case of ubuntu, they mark the service releases.
[09:19] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: so one might think that a header set fitting some ubuntu-service-fixed kernel doesn't match some downloaded-from-the-internet-kernel. and one might be right.
[09:20] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: seriously, you got to get a grip on the information you're providing and the assumptions you are making. productive support is nearly impossible the way you do things.
[09:31] <persia> XorA, Hey.  Sorry I missed you yesterday.
[09:33] <XorA> persia: no problem, was just going to say Im going to be in your part of the world next week
[09:33] <persia> Oh, excellent.  Which days?
[09:34] <XorA> persia: landing saturday morning tokyo, leaving the next saturday afternoon
[09:34] <persia> We'll have to meet up then :)
[09:34] <XorA> persia: that would be cool
[09:41] <Tims_> LetoThe2nd: sorry, i can't gave you more information as the system me gave,
[09:45] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: i repeat. you assumed a fitting kernel - which isn't there. you didn't mention - you actually installed a new kernel. neither did you name the source of it, if you have built it yourself, the version... nothing. have to ask again and again and again to get the information out of you (or thin air, not much of a difference) and clearing up what you think about your system and is just not true is sooo timeconsuming and irksome that t
[09:46] <LetoThe2nd> i think i'll give it up, now. good luck - to the supporter and the supported. you'll need it.
[09:47] <Tims_> cu
[09:51] <persia> Do gumstix boot the kernels in the repo cleanly?  I wouldn't think one would need a special kernel.
[09:53] <ogra> persia, alst time i saw one trying it broke on the MMC
[09:53] <ogra> *last
[09:53] <persia> Ugh.  That ought get fixed, if reasonably feasible.
[09:54] <ogra> i think it cant, afaik the gumstix uses some kind of incompatible MMC driver
[09:54] <ogra> but it might have been fixed, not sure
[09:54] <persia> source-incompatible or config-incompatible?
[09:54] <ogra> mpoirier was working on it
[09:54] <ogra> i think source
[09:54] <ogra> but i dont know much about it
[09:54] <persia> That's very annoying.  Oh well.
[09:55] <ogra> talk to mpoirier if it ever got fixed
[09:55] <ruckuus> Hello All. Has anyone tried Ubuntu-arm on samsung s3c6410 based board?
[09:55] <persia> He's not here so much anymore :(  But I'll hunt him down sometime.
[09:55] <ogra> ruckuus, i think the guys in #linaro use some samsung boards, try there
[09:56] <persia> ruckuus, I've not heard of anyone trying to get a kernel for that into the archive, but my knowledge isn't all-inclusive.
[09:56] <ogra> persia, he is regulary in #linaro
[09:56] <ruckuus> ogra, thank you so much. is that a channel?
[09:56] <ogra> yes
[09:56] <ruckuus> I saw working one here: http://www.arm9.net/mini6410-ubuntu.asp
[09:57] <ruckuus> ogra, thank you I will try to get there
[09:57] <persia> ruckuus, Unless you know the folk who made an image, I'm not sure I'd trust it entirely.
[09:57] <ruckuus> persia, well me too. I download the images and will try it soon
[09:58] <persia> ruckuus, OK.  Be aware that we'll be dropping support for 9.10 in a couple months.
[09:59] <ruckuus> Is it "that simple" as mentioned in Ubuntu RootStock to create Ubuntu rootfs image?
[09:59] <persia> ruckuus, You could do that, and the result is something you can probably trust a bit more.
[09:59] <ruckuus> I have everything from the BSP but still fuzzy on how to put the specified kernel
[09:59] <persia> You will need to stuff in your own kernel, etc.
[10:00] <ruckuus> persia, sounds optimistic. Thank you
[10:00] <ruckuus> I have created rootfs with Poky (PokyLinux) and it works well
[10:00] <ruckuus> I am interested to put Ubuntu on top of the board, will be easier to develop i guess
[10:00] <persia> ruckuus, I don't know anything about your board, but you'll want to make sure it supports at least ARMv7a: if it does, you should be fine.  If not, I'll recommend Debian.
[10:01] <ruckuus> persia, my board is OK6410 http://www.arm9board.net/sel/prddetail.aspx?id=348&pid=200
[10:02] <ruckuus> I guess that would be simple to put Ubuntu on top of that, but my current issue is how to use my own kernel
[10:02] <persia> Based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM11 , that looks like it's not a good fit for Ubuntu.
[10:03] <ruckuus> persia, thank you for the link, I will check it
[10:03] <persia> You'll likely have a much better experience running Debian, as you'll be able to run current software, upgrade, etc.
[10:04] <ruckuus> persia, could you please point me out why you come to that conclusion? TIA
[10:04] <ruckuus> persia, I guess so. I am using Debian now
[10:04] <persia> Wikipedia says that the Samsung S3C64x0 series of processors is ARM11, and indicates these support the ARMv6 instruction set.
[10:05] <persia> Ubuntu, since Lucid (10.04) requires that hardware support the ARMv7a instruction set, which means that you won't be able to run any of the recent releases.
[10:05] <ruckuus> persia, ... for media support (only) ? no?
[10:06] <persia> It's about the compiler defaults: if you don't have support for the instruction set, the software won't run.
[10:07] <ruckuus> persia, I see. meaning to say if I want to put Ubuntu, I will need to build everything from scratch using supported compiler that comes with BSP
[10:08] <ogra> imagine i386 vs i686 ... optimized i686 code wont run on i386 because the i386 CPU doesnt know some instructions the i686 one uses
[10:08] <persia> And you have no promises the results will work, as the source has often been modified to expect more recent processors.
[10:08] <ruckuus> ogra, persia, I get it
[10:39] <ruckuus> hello, it is confirmed that my board only support ARMv6 instruction set. Said on the website it can only run Ubuntu up to 9.10
[10:46] <hrw> ruckuus: install Debian then
[10:47] <ruckuus> hrw, I will. Currently I am using Debian packages from scratchbox
[10:48] <ruckuus> Is there a link for me to study how to achieve it?
[10:48] <hrw> ruckuus: use Debian directly. my brain shutdowns when I hear scratchbox word
[10:48] <hrw> ruckuus: use rootstock/multistrap to generate armel image of debian and boot it with your kernel
[10:49] <ruckuus> hrw, whew seems scratchbox is too traumatic for you :\
[10:49] <hrw> ruckuus: long story
[10:49] <ruckuus> hrw, i see. Thank you
[10:50] <ruckuus> hrw, I almost died with scratchbox, then switch to Poky, but still PITA when adding new package, and just today I saw posting that Ubuntu can run on ARM
[10:50] <ruckuus> very helpful, hopefully
[11:09] <persia> In terms of the development experience, Debian and Ubuntu are nearly identical.
[11:09] <persia> The differences tend to be small patches for individual packages, based on differing philosophies about how the distribution is delivered.
[11:10] <persia> But the key is to run Debian as Debian, rather than trying to cross-compile Debian on scratchbox or something.
[11:41] <danger89> Hi
[11:42] <danger89> I bought the iGEP v2 hardware board with WIfi+ Bluetooth
[11:43] <danger89> Can somebody say how good the Ubuntu netbook port for ARM is?
[11:44] <danger89> For example does all the hardware components works on the igep v2
[11:46] <hrw> iirc it works with 10.10 or 11.04
[11:51] <danger89> Yes, I believe it will work. But does all the hardware components work OK with the 10.10? Like: Wifi, Bluetooth, i2c, USB, etc.?
[11:53] <rsalveti_> weee, borked internet today :-(
[12:02] <ogra> bug 708661, bug 708659, bug 708658
[12:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 708661 in libqtgconf "[MIR] please include libqtgconf in natty main" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708661
[12:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 708659 in libqtbamf "[MIR] please include libqtbamf in natty main" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708659
[12:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 708658 in libqtdee "[MIR] please include libqtdee in natty main" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708658
[12:05] <danger89> hrw: I can't find the ARM 11.04 version only 10.10: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/
[12:06] <danger89> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/current/
[12:06] <danger89> foudn it :D
[12:18] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/releases/11.04/ has the alpha2 image from last week
[12:46] <rsalveti> NCommander: ogra: unity-2d seems to be working with latest qt
[12:46] <ogra> yay
[12:47] <rsalveti> the only thing to fix is that I'm not seeing the places icon that is used to fire up new applications
[12:47] <ogra> do yu see it elsewhere ?
[12:47] <ogra> i think the places implementation isnt ready yet
[12:47] <rsalveti> well, at least it was working at my maverick machine
[12:47] <ogra> (the unity one, not the 2d one)
[12:47] <rsalveti> that icon with scissors
[12:48] <ogra> yeah, it was redone in natty
[12:48] <rsalveti> oh, ok
[12:48] <ogra> we need to compare to x86 now i guess
[12:48] <rsalveti> yup
[12:48] <ogra> indicators and places were rewritten
[12:48] <ogra> and the desktop switched to dconf
[12:48] <ogra> thats the three bits still to be done in natty for unity-2d
[12:49] <rsalveti> you mean, for unity-2d?
[12:49] <ogra> everything switched to dfconf
[12:49] <ogra> *dconf
[12:49] <ogra> gconf is out
[12:49] <rsalveti> yeah, true
[12:49] <ogra> (though might be that dconf is just a different frontend, i didnt really look into that, upstream will care)
[12:49] <danger89> ogra: why should I use the alfa 2 over the "daily build" of Ubuntu netbook 11.04? Why is it better? And I checked the datum, but the daily build is from 9 feb and alfa 2 is from 2 feb.
[12:49] <danger89> 3 feb*
[12:50] <ogra> danger89, alphas usually get a week of archive freeze and QA
[12:50] <ogra> dailies can be broken in various way and are usually not regulary tested
[12:50] <ogra> *ways
[12:51] <danger89> So alfa 2 is the latest version of 11.04 and it is stable?
[12:52] <ogra> it was tested for the install to work at least
[12:52] <danger89> ^^
[12:52] <ogra> dailies only get tested occasionally
[12:52] <danger89> ok thx
[13:01] <danger89> ogra: If you got the igep v2 board. What would you  choose for OS version (10.10 vs 11.04 or.. something completly else)?
[13:02] <ogra> no idea, i have no igep2 :)
[13:02] <ogra> but the later the better i would say, since its more likely the kernel works better with that HW
[13:03] <danger89> http://labs.igep.es/index.php/Main_Page
[13:03] <danger89> and now :P ahah
[13:03] <danger89> ogra: I se
[13:03] <danger89> see*
[13:12] <danger89> thx
[13:38] <NCommander> rsalveti: yay
[15:46] <jo-erlend> did you read about the OMAP5? Sounds like something cool.
[15:58] <davidm> yes, the OMAP 5 sounds quite nice, will be a while before it's shipping in volume though
[16:02] <jo-erlend> yes, about 18 months, they say. Maybe just in time for 12.04? :)
[16:02] <jo-erlend> oh... I miscalculated that one... *tralala*
[17:21] <martyn> Has anyone seen a real, physical Armada XP development board?
[17:22] <martyn> Marvell announced a chip back in Nov, and theoretically a 'development platform' .. but so far I haven't met or seen any evidence of one...
[17:24] <ogra> i dont think there were any dev boards, they went dirctly to OEMs
[17:24] <ogra> *directly
[17:24] <ogra> essentially it should be close to dove
[17:25] <martyn> ogra: In theory.  So far though, the only thing I've seen are mechanical engineering samples.
[17:25] <martyn> ogra : Which is why I'm curious to see if there is, in fact, a working board (or working chip) somewhere.
[19:12] <rsalveti> janimo: I believe the x-loader update issue was supposed to be fixed with the version we're currently using
[19:13] <rsalveti> janimo: when you updated your files, did you copy both x-loader and u-boot or just x-loader?
[19:13] <janimo> rsalveti, both
[19:13] <rsalveti> if this is still an issue, we should also report it
[19:13] <rsalveti> if not able to fix it, then recreating the first partition would be the best solution
[19:14] <janimo> rsalveti, well it may have been the copying to wrong location in VFAT, as I simply copied the files over (after renmaing the old ones to .bak(
[19:15] <rsalveti> janimo: hm, what happens when you copy the one to .bak and overwrite it?
[19:15] <janimo> rsalveti, I'll do some more thought out tests, I recovered form yesterday's by rewriting the whole SD card
[19:15] <janimo> as that too showed kernel errors
[19:15] <janimo> so it may not be an xloader bug at all
[19:16] <rsalveti> hm, ok
[19:16] <ogra> rsalveti, i think only the issue with x-loader not finding u-boot after overwriting it was supposed to be fixed
[19:17] <ogra> fi the fat changes you will still have issues with the rom code
[19:18] <rsalveti> ogra: could be
[19:18] <rsalveti> need to test it more to see what exactly is the issue now
[19:18] <janimo> ogra, the new packages are to be added to the image in livecd-rootfs?
[19:19] <ogra> we need to seed them
[19:19] <janimo> we have no specific seeds for the images right?
[19:19] <ogra> (that should be a workitem)
[19:19] <ogra> there is a seed for kernels and the like iirc
[19:20] <ogra> we have ubuntu-netbook exclusively for armel
[19:20] <ogra> worst case we can seed it there
[19:20] <ogra> but that wont cover minimal installs indeed
[19:21] <ogra> and there is also a prob with subarches, seeds dont know about them
[19:21] <ogra> so we need to install *all* x-loader and u-boot packages
[19:24] <ogra> platform.natty/boot might be an appropriate seed
[19:24] <janimo> ogra, all those packages are for omap based boards now?
[19:24] <janimo> ogra, the seed should be arm specific  I guess
[19:24] <ogra> and a hack in livecd-rootfs to remove the unwanted bootloader
[19:24] <ogra> no
[19:25] <ogra> the seed needs to be general but the line in the seed should be armel onl
[19:25] <ogra> y
[19:25]  * janimo needs to find out what line in the seed means
[19:25]  * janimo checks ubuntu seeds
[19:26] <ogra> so i would suggest adding u-boot and x-loader to platform.natty/boot (after talking with cjwatson) and then having a hack in livecd-rootfs to remove the unwanted ones
[19:26] <ogra> similar to the hack that removes the unwated headers there
[19:26] <janimo> ogra, ok
[19:26] <ogra> the boot seed also carries grub for example
[19:28] <GrueMaster> Would it make sense to have a meta file and seed it?
[19:28] <ogra> we use seeds to produce meta packages normally
[19:29] <GrueMaster> Oh?  I was thinking like with the kernel we have linux-ti-omap
[19:30] <ogra> i dont think the u-boot packages have the version in the package names
[19:30] <GrueMaster> Not that I have a clue about the voodoo needed for seeds/image creation.
[19:30] <ogra> u-boot-linaro-omap3-beagle and u-boot-linaro-omap4-panda
[19:30] <ogra> so we dont need a meta
[19:30] <GrueMaster> ok
[19:31] <ogra> same for x-loader: x-loader-omap3-beagle and x-loader-omap4-panda
[19:31] <ogra> we just need to seed them in the right place and remove what we dont need during rootfs build
[19:59] <ogra> bah, and now janimo is gone
[19:59] <ogra> bad timing
[20:00] <GrueMaster> He definitely needs a caching irc proxy.
[20:02] <ogra> yes
[20:03] <ogra> so after discussion with lool in #linaro i see that we cant seed it but need a different approach
[20:03] <ogra> anyway, here comes my dinner and i'll call it a day
[21:29] <rsalveti> vstehle: and one more time brazil is loosing for france
[22:23]  * lool mocks rsalveti 
[22:25] <rsalveti> lool: nothing to say, 19 years without winning a game over france
[22:26] <rsalveti> too bad
[22:26] <lool> And it's the country of football!
[22:26] <rsalveti> yeah... yeah... yeah... hehe
[22:26] <lool> that's said, France wasn't really stellar at the WC
[22:26] <rsalveti> not at all, but it seems it's a lot better already
[22:27] <lool> but it's ok, I can pretend that I don't like football when we lose, and that I love it when we win
[22:27] <rsalveti> hahaha
[23:00] <GrueMaster> Go Packers!!!
[23:00] <GrueMaster> oh, different kind of football?
[23:01] <rsalveti> ops :-)
[23:03] <armin76> lol
[23:04] <armin76> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HP-Touchpad-launch/ hrm...dualcore :D
[23:09] <rsalveti> sounds interesting