[12:50] <doctormo> thorwil: Hello
[12:59] <thorwil> hi doctormo
[13:00] <doctormo> thorwil: Is a competition ok if the aim of the event is to train underdeveloped artists?
[13:01] <thorwil> doctormo: i'd say yes, if that objective is clear to everyone
[13:02] <doctormo> Yes, thanks. Having a good day thorwil?
[13:04] <thorwil> doctormo: mixed. always suffering from the what-i-should-be-doing vs what-i-would-like-to-do split :)
[13:04] <thorwil> at least the weather is flooding us with sunshine, here
[13:05] <thorwil> doctormo: you?
[13:08] <doctormo> thorwil: the sunshine sounds nice. I've just come out of a really harsh night of sleepish.
[13:08] <doctormo> recovery will take all day I think
[13:10] <doctormo> Plus it's so damn dry here. 5% humidity last night. I had to turn on the vaporisor to improve things.
[13:11] <thorwil> oh. don'r even have a vaporiser and never missed one
[13:11] <thorwil> doctormo: what kind of competition do you have in mind?
[13:14] <doctormo> thorwil: Not mine, was advising someone else.
[13:16] <thorwil> doctormo: in some way, typical assignments in design foundation classes are similar to contests. same task for everyone and results will be compared, though there's usually no "winner"
[13:18] <thorwil> comparison and reflection within the group is important, then
[13:18] <doctormo> Yes, makes sense. Of course winners can be useful too. I guess it depends on the kind of play environment that is sort to teach.
[19:28] <doctormo> thorwil: I wish there was some way to make the art team more professional.
[19:28] <doctormo> We don't have good training (any at all)
[19:28] <doctormo> We're not using the beginners team
[19:29] <doctormo> And we can't seem to get rid of that carbuncle jbaer, who seems to delight in making a competition out of everything.
[19:29] <thorwil> doctormo: so do i. i'm currently operating under the assumption that i can't afford to really care, though
[19:30] <doctormo> yea, I know, it's a royal pain, because there are teams who know to come directly to us
[19:30] <doctormo> and then there are teams that come to the team and are mislead.
[19:33] <thorwil> i'm wondering if anyone will bother setting john's "Most artist are posting to ..." http://www.flickr.com/groups/uawt-10-0/ straight
[19:38] <doctormo> thorwil: I don't understand, he's not saying most artists are posting to
[19:38] <doctormo> And even if he was, there is nowhere else to post to.
[19:39] <doctormo> I certainly haven't enabled the deviantArt submission.
[19:40] <thorwil> doctormo: actually, he is saying that
[19:40] <thorwil> doctormo: why that? wasn't the last design blog post about that pointing to your deviantart group?
[19:42] <doctormo> thorwil: If you look, I've switched off submissions to the gallery containing last cycle's.
[19:43] <doctormo> I just have no confidence that this competition makes any sort of sense.
[19:44] <thorwil> doctormo: i think you didn't communicate that, so far
[19:45] <thorwil> doctormo: so does that mean the design blog and wiki happily point to a place where nobody can submit anything? and on top, this fact hasn't led to any noise?
[19:45] <doctormo> thorwil: I don't think the link from the wiki and design blog should ever have pointed to deviantArt (for the same reasons I don't think
[19:45] <doctormo> they should point to flikr)
[19:46] <doctormo> the whole point of the deviantArt thing is to encourage existing deviantArt users and especially the 700 members of ubuntu-artists group to get involved.
[19:46] <doctormo> I could quite easily just point them to somewhere else using a blog entry or two.
[19:48] <thorwil> http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/the-natty-wallpaper-contest-an-important-update/
[19:48] <thorwil> i mixed something up. that one points to flickr
[19:49] <doctormo> yep, that agrees with my memory
[19:49] <thorwil> but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase does point to http://ubuntu-artists.deviantart.com/ for "illustrative" wallpapers
[19:49] <doctormo> would you like me to fix it?
[19:50] <thorwil> doctormo: depends on the fix ;)
[19:50] <doctormo> thorwil: there you gp
[19:51] <doctormo> go
[19:51] <thorwil> doctormo: *if* Iain didn't clear this up with you, he deserves this to fall back on him
[19:52] <doctormo> I can't even get Iain to remove to redundant and confusing deviantArt group. If you see him, let him know.
[19:56] <thorwil> how lovely organized it all seems
[19:58] <doctormo> thorwil: It's very "I don't know what"
[20:43] <coz_> hey all