=== daker_ is now known as daker === evilvish is now known as vish [12:50] thorwil: Hello [12:59] hi doctormo [13:00] thorwil: Is a competition ok if the aim of the event is to train underdeveloped artists? [13:01] doctormo: i'd say yes, if that objective is clear to everyone [13:02] Yes, thanks. Having a good day thorwil? [13:04] doctormo: mixed. always suffering from the what-i-should-be-doing vs what-i-would-like-to-do split :) [13:04] at least the weather is flooding us with sunshine, here [13:05] doctormo: you? [13:08] thorwil: the sunshine sounds nice. I've just come out of a really harsh night of sleepish. [13:08] recovery will take all day I think [13:10] Plus it's so damn dry here. 5% humidity last night. I had to turn on the vaporisor to improve things. [13:11] oh. don'r even have a vaporiser and never missed one [13:11] doctormo: what kind of competition do you have in mind? [13:14] thorwil: Not mine, was advising someone else. [13:16] doctormo: in some way, typical assignments in design foundation classes are similar to contests. same task for everyone and results will be compared, though there's usually no "winner" [13:18] comparison and reflection within the group is important, then [13:18] Yes, makes sense. Of course winners can be useful too. I guess it depends on the kind of play environment that is sort to teach. [19:28] thorwil: I wish there was some way to make the art team more professional. [19:28] We don't have good training (any at all) [19:28] We're not using the beginners team [19:29] And we can't seem to get rid of that carbuncle jbaer, who seems to delight in making a competition out of everything. [19:29] doctormo: so do i. i'm currently operating under the assumption that i can't afford to really care, though [19:30] yea, I know, it's a royal pain, because there are teams who know to come directly to us [19:30] and then there are teams that come to the team and are mislead. [19:33] i'm wondering if anyone will bother setting john's "Most artist are posting to ..." http://www.flickr.com/groups/uawt-10-0/ straight [19:38] thorwil: I don't understand, he's not saying most artists are posting to [19:38] And even if he was, there is nowhere else to post to. [19:39] I certainly haven't enabled the deviantArt submission. [19:40] doctormo: actually, he is saying that [19:40] doctormo: why that? wasn't the last design blog post about that pointing to your deviantart group? [19:42] thorwil: If you look, I've switched off submissions to the gallery containing last cycle's. [19:43] I just have no confidence that this competition makes any sort of sense. [19:44] doctormo: i think you didn't communicate that, so far [19:45] doctormo: so does that mean the design blog and wiki happily point to a place where nobody can submit anything? and on top, this fact hasn't led to any noise? [19:45] thorwil: I don't think the link from the wiki and design blog should ever have pointed to deviantArt (for the same reasons I don't think [19:45] they should point to flikr) [19:46] the whole point of the deviantArt thing is to encourage existing deviantArt users and especially the 700 members of ubuntu-artists group to get involved. [19:46] I could quite easily just point them to somewhere else using a blog entry or two. [19:48] http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/the-natty-wallpaper-contest-an-important-update/ [19:48] i mixed something up. that one points to flickr [19:49] yep, that agrees with my memory [19:49] but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase does point to http://ubuntu-artists.deviantart.com/ for "illustrative" wallpapers [19:49] would you like me to fix it? [19:50] doctormo: depends on the fix ;) [19:50] thorwil: there you gp [19:51] go [19:51] doctormo: *if* Iain didn't clear this up with you, he deserves this to fall back on him [19:52] I can't even get Iain to remove to redundant and confusing deviantArt group. If you see him, let him know. [19:56] how lovely organized it all seems [19:58] thorwil: It's very "I don't know what" [20:43] hey all