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mhall119YoBoY: it'd be a pretty significant refactoring for us to be able to handle users that don't come from LP00:26
mhall119AlanBell: Mootbot-UK isn't in #ubuntu-us-fl anymore?01:03
blahdeblahmhall119: Is the first URL in the topic the same as the locoteams directory?  I've never heard of it.  Also, is it just for official locos?03:30
* mhall119 checks the topic03:33
mhall119blahdeblah: no, that's just the launchpad group for locoteams03:33
mhall119http://loco.ubuntu.com is the loco directory03:33
mhall119and it's for approved and non-approved loco teams03:33
mhall119any team in launchpad that is also part of the ~locoteams team will be included in loco-directory03:34
blahdeblahso can anyone edit the agenda on http://loco.ubuntu.com ?03:34
mhall119you can only edit the agenda for a meeting for your team03:35
mhall119so, any team you're a member of, you can edit the agenda for03:35
blahdeblahHow?  I'm logged in, and I'm a member of the team, but i can't see any tools for editing.03:35
mhall119what team?03:36
blahdeblahubuntu-au03:36
mhall119oh, duh, should have guessed that03:36
mhall119does it have the correct username at the bottom of the page?03:36
blahdeblahI'm not too snobbish to answer when people ask the obvious... ;-)03:36
blahdeblahNo username at all.  Just did a hard refresh and still nothing.03:37
mhall119hmmm, you sure you're logged in?03:37
mhall119mine has "Logged in as: mhall119"03:37
mhall119login link is at the top of the page, last item03:38
blahdeblahI clicked on join this team, it redirected me to launchpad, i clicked "yes, log me in", and it took me back to the team page, saying i am already a member.03:38
mhall119okay, what does it say at the bottom after "Logged in as:"03:38
blahdeblahhmmm... Evidently login and login are not the same03:38
mhall119?03:39
blahdeblahI clicked the login link, it took me to another launchpad "yes, sign me in" page, and now i can see edit controls.03:39
blahdeblahStrange that it seems to have two levels of logged-in-ness03:40
mhall119huh...they should both work the same03:40
mhall119they use the same code, as far as i know03:40
blahdeblahwell, they didn't03:40
mhall119:(03:40
blahdeblahnever mind - it's working now03:40
mhall119:)03:40
blahdeblahSo what are the great things that it allows us to re-use?03:41
mhall119well, in the near future, we'll be generating team reports with them03:41
mhall119there's also plans to integrate it with Mootbot-UK, so it will pull your next agenda item in for you, and post back a link to where it was discussed in the LD entry03:42
mhall119the "log url" field03:42
blahdeblahIt seems to me that a wiki page is a lot more flexible than the few tiny little fields that "add agenda item" gives you03:42
mhall119flexible for putting stuff in03:42
mhall119not so much for getting stuff out03:42
mhall119the wiki is like a black hole of information03:42
blahdeblahI just wouldn't want to see the barriers to participation increased03:43
mhall119neither do we, which is why we want feedback on what barriers are encountered so we can remove them03:43
blahdeblahmhall119: Feedback: give us wiki integration for the agenda items :-)03:43
mhall119well, like I said, getting stuff out of a wiki is nearly impossible03:44
mhall119putting it back, well we can provide you markup to copy/paste, but the admins are pretty strict about adding plugins to the wiki03:44
blahdeblahcopy/paste is non-viable - just give an option to include a wiki page's content as the agenda item's main content, instead of that tiny little 40x5 (or whatever it is) box03:45
blahdeblah(The 3rd one, that is: "Description")03:45
mhall119hmmm, how about if we make the input box bigger and accept wiki markup?03:45
blahdeblah*lots* bigger03:46
mhall119you should use Chrome03:46
mhall119it put's a resize grip on all textarea boxes03:46
mhall119but if you would be so kind as to file a bug, I'd be happy to increase the box size: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+filebug03:47
blahdeblahMeh.  When it's advanced enough for Canonical to replace Firefox with it, i might consider switching, but Firefox has too many useful plugins.03:47
mhall119handling wiki markup will take longer to implement03:47
mhall119but we should be able to integrate Creole03:47
blahdeblahs/put's/puts/ - that's the 2nd time today i've seen someone do that!03:48
* blahdeblah pulls out the angry eyes >:o03:48
blahdeblah:-)03:48
mhall119pull's03:48
blahdeblahdon't make me come down there!03:48
mhall119I know, and I'm married to an English major too03:48
mhall119shame on me03:48
nigelbheh03:48
mhall119blahdeblah: that'd be a lot of 'down', since I'm on the opposite side of the world03:49
blahdeblah:-D03:49
nhandlermhall119: The biggest issue I have with the LD is that it forces people to use two different systems: the LD for loco stuff and the wiki for all of their other teams.03:49
* blahdeblah agrees03:49
mhall119nhandler: yeah, I don't like that either, which is why my next big project is opening up LD's features to all teams03:49
blahdeblahmhall119: What is the value of being able to query this stuff easily?  To allow some "big brother" monitoring of the locos?  I personally would never bother looking at our team's meeting history unless there was something that prompted me to search, and a wiki is good enough for that.03:51
mhall119blahdeblah: no big brother scenarios03:51
mhall119like I said, we want to automate team reports03:51
mhall119we want to integrate mootbot better03:52
blahdeblahHow did i know that was going to be the first answer?  ;-)03:52
blahdeblahBut for whom are the reports?  Why would they look at them?03:52
mhall119we want to provide useful data for people to make their own apps or mashups or what have you03:52
mhall119blahdeblah: team reports are something you should already be doing03:52
mhall119it lets the rest of the community know what's going on in other places/teams03:52
blahdeblahI can't think of a less interesting topic for an app/mashup than "what we did in April 2009".03:53
mhall119Ubuntu Weekly News makes use of team reports03:53
blahdeblahEven then, if it's anything more than 1-3 months old, it's historical interest only.03:53
mhall119probably, yeah03:54
mhall119oh, re-approval, it's very handy for team reapprovals03:54
blahdeblahSeems like a lot of trouble to go to for data that is not going to get queried much...03:54
mhall119ah, it was no trouble at all ;)03:54
blahdeblahExcept for the people who are editing it... ;-)03:54
mhall119you don't _have_ to use LD if you don't find it useful03:55
blahdeblahCool03:56
blahdeblahJust trying to understand your reasoning behind recommending it over the wiki03:56
blahdeblahI like the low-overhead, easy-add, flexible nature of wikis03:56
mhall119but if you _want_ to use it, we're happy to make improvements to make that easier03:56
mhall119if you find that you prefer the wiki way of doing things, then by all means keep using that03:56
mhall119sure03:56
blahdeblahat the moment, we're doing an awful lot of double/triple entry03:56
mhall119though, I can't remember the last time I got a timeout after posting to LD03:56
blahdeblahOne of head_victim's bugbears is we don't seem to have a way to share the same event data between, say, LD, wiki, web site, and Facebook.03:57
mhall119well LD provide ical, rss and JSON feeds of all it's data03:58
mhall119surely your website and facebook can use one of those03:58
blahdeblahI don't believe Drupal has any way to import iCal data automatically.03:58
mhall119it can import rss though03:58
blahdeblah(At least, not the severely limited version Canonical provides)03:58
mhall119I'd be willing to bet someone's made an ical importer for it03:58
blahdeblahI'd be willing to bet it requires manual intervention, too ;-)03:59
mhall119do you use a specific Drupal module for calendar data?03:59
* blahdeblah checks03:59
mhall119if so, we can perhaps write some code to integrate it with LD03:59
mhall119https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDirectory/API/Clients already has the start of a PHP client library04:00
blahdeblahlooks like we use the "Basic Event" module.04:01
blahdeblahAnd we're on drupal 5.22 which is pretty old i understand04:01
mhall119yeah, I think they just came out with 7 or something04:02
blahdeblahyeah04:02
* mhall119 isn't much of a drupal developer04:03
blahdeblahme neither04:03
mhall119but http://drupal.org/project/event says it has an API to store event data04:03
mhall119so that + LD client library + whatever drupal uses for scheduled updates04:03
mhall119should give you integration04:03
blahdeblahapparently, there are no scheduled updates04:04
blahdeblahcron was last run 5 weeks ago04:04
blahdeblahI would have thought Canonical's hosting would provide some mechanism to do that04:04
mhall119http://drupal.org/node/286938 makes it sound like it can import ical04:04
mhall119blahdeblah: I'm not sure what they offer, sorry04:05
blahdeblahDoes look interesting04:06
mhall119but again, LD lets us provide this data in a usable form (3 forms, actually), while the wiki does not04:06
blahdeblahAnyway, thanks for your help, mhall119 - i'm sure head_victim will have more to say about all this.04:06
mhall119thanks for your input, I look forward to fixing your bugs :)04:07
blahdeblah:-P04:07
mhall119we can't fix what isn't reported04:07
blahdeblahhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/71558104:09
ubot4Launchpad bug 715581 in loco-directory "Agenda item description field is too small (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]04:09
mhall119blahdeblah: which is more important for you, vertical space or horizontal?04:10
blahdeblahyes04:11
blahdeblah;-)04:11
mhall119portrait or landscape?04:11
mhall119can't say 'yes' to that :P04:11
blahdeblahmhall119: Personally, i would prefer more width, because most screens nowadays are 16:9 or 16:10 aspect ratio, but others might see it differently.  I would say at least 3 times wider and 2 times taller than it currently is.04:15
mhall119hmmm, that might be too big for most other teams...04:16
mhall119usually they just use a single line for an agenda item04:16
mhall119the description field was really only for short descriptions04:16
blahdeblahEvidently ;-)04:17
mhall119what are you planning on storing in it?04:17
blahdeblahIf people are going to take the time to prepare for the meeting by adding structured agendas, they will probably want to write 3 or 4 sentences about their item, IMO.04:17
mhall119https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings sayd "first a half line subject, followed by a short description as a sub-point of the subject, and signing it with your wikiname or IRC nick after that"04:18
mhall1193 or 4 sentences will probably be the max04:24
mhall119we don't need a 6x size increase to contain that04:24
mhall119https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings/2011February8 would easily fit04:24
mhall119I think doubling the width and height should be sufficient04:24
head_victimmhall119: the idea will be to do that but the team isn't used to it yet so I'm going to introduce it slowly05:31
head_victimMake sure everyone knows what it is, where it is and how to use it before it's the only thing in use.05:34
dholbachgood morning08:01
AlanBellmhall119: mootbot-uk appears to be down. Daviey runs that one, I just hacked it together.08:21
Daviey*sigh*08:22
Davieyshould be back08:25
mhall119thanks Daviey 12:17
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Ronnieevening17:06
leoquantevening Ronnie 17:28
leoquant(response time?)17:28
Ronniehey leoquant, also in this channel :P17:28
leoquant17:29
RonnieYoBoY: do you know more teams which have the same LP setup as ubuntu-fr (that the team_owner and team_admins are teams itself?)19:32
Ronniei have a bugfix for this, and want to check this19:32
YoBoYRonnie: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-it20:07
Ronniethx YoBoY, looks like thats working too20:18
RonnieYoBoY: http://img225.imageshack.us/i/schermafdruk1d.png/20:20
YoBoYRonnie: great... but i'm not really sure... if your patch can provide the full list of a team, the "team contact" become useless or redundant, no ?20:22
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dscassel<selenium-comment>This test script was made to automate HUNTAR test case ID 5103 in the 10.0.1 Waterloo backplane.</selenium-comment>20:52
dscassel<selenium-comment>Navigate to the User and Groups page before begining to execute and be logged in with Admin credentials.</selenium-comment>20:52
dscassel<selenium-comment>oegroup creation</selenium-comment>20:52
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dscassel<clickAndWait parameter="target=ui=livelink::doneBtn(), value=" keyword="false" description="Clicks on a link, button, checkbox or radio button. If the click action&#xA;causes a new page to load (like a link usually does), call&#xA;waitForPageToLoad."/>20:52
dscassel<selenium-comment>Client group creation</selenium-comment>20:52
pleia2!ops20:52
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dscassel<selectWindow parameter="target=null, value=" keyword="false" description="Selects a popup window using a window locator; once a popup window has been selected, all&#xA;commands go to that window. To select the main window again, use null&#xA;as the target.&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;Window locators provide different ways of specifying the window object:&#xA;by title, by internal JavaScript &quot;name,&quot; or by JavaScript variable20:53
dscasselApologies. right click paste gets me every time.20:53
pleia2might want to look into flood protection if your client has it :)20:53
pleia2(irssi has saved me!)20:53
dscasselpleia2: It prevented another 11 lines from being pasted in. :P20:54
pleia2ah20:54
mhall119irssi saves me from paste flooding moore than I'd like to admit20:58
Picipleia2: still need help?20:59
pleia2Pici: no, flood has ended :)20:59
pleia2thanks anyway20:59
Picinp21:00
Ronniemhall119: is #688064 is committed into production? if so, the status should be changed to "fix released"21:11
cjohnstonbug 68806421:13
ubot4Launchpad bug 688064 in loco-directory "Add meetings to 'upcoming events' on team's pages (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68806421:13
cjohnstonyes it is21:14
cjohnstonwant to fix it Ronnie ?21:14
Ronnieill change it. i just needed a confirm21:14
cjohnston:-)21:15
mhall119Ronnie: +121:17
mhall119good catch21:17
Ronniejust working trough my assigned bug ;)21:17
Ronniea few to go21:18
Ronniemhall119: any progress on django foundations lately?21:19
Ronniecjohnston: if you have time, can you review this bug 712569. i need this fix also for another bug and dont want to create conflicts21:20
ubot4Launchpad bug 712569 in loco-directory "meetings ical does not use python-vobject (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71256921:20
mhall119Ronnie: no, I haven't had a chance to do much of anything lately21:21
mhall119been busy with a new project at work21:21
Ronnieoke, is there anything i can help to get the foundations running?21:21
mhall119the next step is writing a "getting started" guide21:24
Ronnieis the project already that far?21:25
mhall119probably not21:26
mhall119:)21:26
mhall119but writing the guide will tell us where it's not ready21:26
Ronniewhats for example the method for adding urls to the root urls.py (manually?) and what with the media directory of imported branches, they need to be linked21:26
mhall119yup, all that needs to be decided and documented21:27
Ronniei think that will be difficult stuff21:28
Ronnieat least for what i noticed with the google map sample21:29
Ronniedaker, mhall119: looking at this bug 712569 . does the language menu needs translation ? i guess its very hard to find my language if the name of the language is translated in chinese21:42
ubot4Launchpad bug 712569 in loco-directory "meetings ical does not use python-vobject (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71256921:42
Ronnieoops: bug 64829621:42
ubot4Launchpad bug 648296 in loco-directory "Languages in language selector should be listed alphabetically (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64829621:42
dakerRonnie, if you could look at my branch https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/loco-directory/ld-languages-menu21:46
dakerand see what's the problem with it21:47
Ronniei was looking at the diff, usually much easier to understand21:47
dakerok21:47
Ronniebut as far is i understand you look for the translation file to lookup translations for the languages21:48
Ronniebut i think the languages should not be translated for each country (the language should be written in the language itself)21:49
dakerthey are not translated21:50
Ronniecan we translate them ourself (with help of the loco's) once and put them hardcoded into the db?21:51
dakernot sure, the languages are taken from LP21:53
dakercjohnston, mhall119  what do you think ?21:54
Ddordaguys, say, i'm willing to ask for canonical sponsorship for the uds22:29
Ddordai saw "Would you be willing to participate as member of the crew?", what crew?22:29
nhandlerDdorda: The crew helps out with keeping everything running smoothly at the events (i.e. making sure people are where they need to be, that the rooms have all of the proper equipment, help with the video and audio streams of the sessions, and other work that gets done) at least from what I've heard from discussions22:32
Ddordanhandler: hm.. i guess i don't mind taking part in that, not sure how much i can help :P22:32
cjohnstonDdorda: sponsorship isnt open yet22:34
cjohnstonDaviey: ^^22:34
daker_Ddorda, A crew is a body or a class of people who work at a common activity22:34
Ddordacjohnston: well, as much as i see it is :O22:34
Ddordadaker_: i know what crew is22:35
cjohnstonit isnt..22:35
Ddordai meant what it will be doing22:35
cjohnstonthe app is broken22:35
cjohnstonit shouldnt show the application yet22:35
Ddordacjohnston: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/sponsorship/22:35
Ddordathis one?22:35
cjohnstoncorrect.. it shouldnt yet show the application.. there is a patch submitted22:36
cjohnstonwaiting for it to be aplied22:36
Ddordawell, it worked for me :x22:36
daker_Lol22:37
Ddordaerm..22:37
* Ddorda scratches his head22:37
Ddordawell, if it worked, it worked, right?22:38
Ddordaor i should refill everything soon?22:38
daker_you will be the first one to apply xD22:38
Ddordadaker_: seem so :P22:38
cjohnstonthey will prolly disregard any that are sent in prior to it being open22:38
cjohnstondaker_: there have already been others22:38
Ddordacjohnston: too bad, i wrote the "why me" part for long time :x22:40
Ddordacjohnston: i'll get "released" when the new version will come out?22:42
cjohnston?22:42
Ddordacjohnston: "You've already requested sponsorship to uds-o. If you have....."22:42
cjohnstonmy understanding is that it isnt open.. im trying to verify now.. i dont know what will happen to the app if its done prior to sponsorship being accepted22:44
Ddordaso do you have any idea if when the new page comes out i'll be able to refill it?22:44
cjohnstondunno22:44
Ddordacjohnston: okay, thank you22:44
Ddordacjohnston: if you'll anything further can you PM it to me or something?22:45
DdordaI wanna be updated :P22:45
cjohnstonsure22:45
Ddordacjohnston: thanks22:45
Ddordagoing to sleep now. g'night folks :)22:45
mhall119UDS sponsorship is not open yet23:49
mhall119IIRC, any applications sent now will likely sit and wait until the sponsorship period opens and closes, you don't get any priority by being in there first23:50
mhall119AlanBell: where's the mootbot-uk code hosted?23:54

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