[00:26] <mhall119> YoBoY: it'd be a pretty significant refactoring for us to be able to handle users that don't come from LP
[01:03] <mhall119> AlanBell: Mootbot-UK isn't in #ubuntu-us-fl anymore?
[03:30] <blahdeblah> mhall119: Is the first URL in the topic the same as the locoteams directory?  I've never heard of it.  Also, is it just for official locos?
[03:33]  * mhall119 checks the topic
[03:33] <mhall119> blahdeblah: no, that's just the launchpad group for locoteams
[03:33] <mhall119> http://loco.ubuntu.com is the loco directory
[03:33] <mhall119> and it's for approved and non-approved loco teams
[03:34] <mhall119> any team in launchpad that is also part of the ~locoteams team will be included in loco-directory
[03:34] <blahdeblah> so can anyone edit the agenda on http://loco.ubuntu.com ?
[03:35] <mhall119> you can only edit the agenda for a meeting for your team
[03:35] <mhall119> so, any team you're a member of, you can edit the agenda for
[03:35] <blahdeblah> How?  I'm logged in, and I'm a member of the team, but i can't see any tools for editing.
[03:36] <mhall119> what team?
[03:36] <blahdeblah> ubuntu-au
[03:36] <mhall119> oh, duh, should have guessed that
[03:36] <mhall119> does it have the correct username at the bottom of the page?
[03:36] <blahdeblah> I'm not too snobbish to answer when people ask the obvious... ;-)
[03:37] <blahdeblah> No username at all.  Just did a hard refresh and still nothing.
[03:37] <mhall119> hmmm, you sure you're logged in?
[03:37] <mhall119> mine has "Logged in as: mhall119"
[03:38] <mhall119> login link is at the top of the page, last item
[03:38] <blahdeblah> I clicked on join this team, it redirected me to launchpad, i clicked "yes, log me in", and it took me back to the team page, saying i am already a member.
[03:38] <mhall119> okay, what does it say at the bottom after "Logged in as:"
[03:38] <blahdeblah> hmmm... Evidently login and login are not the same
[03:39] <mhall119> ?
[03:39] <blahdeblah> I clicked the login link, it took me to another launchpad "yes, sign me in" page, and now i can see edit controls.
[03:40] <blahdeblah> Strange that it seems to have two levels of logged-in-ness
[03:40] <mhall119> huh...they should both work the same
[03:40] <mhall119> they use the same code, as far as i know
[03:40] <blahdeblah> well, they didn't
[03:40] <mhall119> :(
[03:40] <blahdeblah> never mind - it's working now
[03:40] <mhall119> :)
[03:41] <blahdeblah> So what are the great things that it allows us to re-use?
[03:41] <mhall119> well, in the near future, we'll be generating team reports with them
[03:42] <mhall119> there's also plans to integrate it with Mootbot-UK, so it will pull your next agenda item in for you, and post back a link to where it was discussed in the LD entry
[03:42] <mhall119> the "log url" field
[03:42] <blahdeblah> It seems to me that a wiki page is a lot more flexible than the few tiny little fields that "add agenda item" gives you
[03:42] <mhall119> flexible for putting stuff in
[03:42] <mhall119> not so much for getting stuff out
[03:42] <mhall119> the wiki is like a black hole of information
[03:43] <blahdeblah> I just wouldn't want to see the barriers to participation increased
[03:43] <mhall119> neither do we, which is why we want feedback on what barriers are encountered so we can remove them
[03:43] <blahdeblah> mhall119: Feedback: give us wiki integration for the agenda items :-)
[03:44] <mhall119> well, like I said, getting stuff out of a wiki is nearly impossible
[03:44] <mhall119> putting it back, well we can provide you markup to copy/paste, but the admins are pretty strict about adding plugins to the wiki
[03:45] <blahdeblah> copy/paste is non-viable - just give an option to include a wiki page's content as the agenda item's main content, instead of that tiny little 40x5 (or whatever it is) box
[03:45] <blahdeblah> (The 3rd one, that is: "Description")
[03:45] <mhall119> hmmm, how about if we make the input box bigger and accept wiki markup?
[03:46] <blahdeblah> *lots* bigger
[03:46] <mhall119> you should use Chrome
[03:46] <mhall119> it put's a resize grip on all textarea boxes
[03:47] <mhall119> but if you would be so kind as to file a bug, I'd be happy to increase the box size: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+filebug
[03:47] <blahdeblah> Meh.  When it's advanced enough for Canonical to replace Firefox with it, i might consider switching, but Firefox has too many useful plugins.
[03:47] <mhall119> handling wiki markup will take longer to implement
[03:47] <mhall119> but we should be able to integrate Creole
[03:48] <blahdeblah> s/put's/puts/ - that's the 2nd time today i've seen someone do that!
[03:48]  * blahdeblah pulls out the angry eyes >:o
[03:48] <blahdeblah> :-)
[03:48] <mhall119> pull's
[03:48] <blahdeblah> don't make me come down there!
[03:48] <mhall119> I know, and I'm married to an English major too
[03:48] <mhall119> shame on me
[03:48] <nigelb> heh
[03:49] <mhall119> blahdeblah: that'd be a lot of 'down', since I'm on the opposite side of the world
[03:49] <blahdeblah> :-D
[03:49] <nhandler> mhall119: The biggest issue I have with the LD is that it forces people to use two different systems: the LD for loco stuff and the wiki for all of their other teams.
[03:49]  * blahdeblah agrees
[03:49] <mhall119> nhandler: yeah, I don't like that either, which is why my next big project is opening up LD's features to all teams
[03:51] <blahdeblah> mhall119: What is the value of being able to query this stuff easily?  To allow some "big brother" monitoring of the locos?  I personally would never bother looking at our team's meeting history unless there was something that prompted me to search, and a wiki is good enough for that.
[03:51] <mhall119> blahdeblah: no big brother scenarios
[03:51] <mhall119> like I said, we want to automate team reports
[03:52] <mhall119> we want to integrate mootbot better
[03:52] <blahdeblah> How did i know that was going to be the first answer?  ;-)
[03:52] <blahdeblah> But for whom are the reports?  Why would they look at them?
[03:52] <mhall119> we want to provide useful data for people to make their own apps or mashups or what have you
[03:52] <mhall119> blahdeblah: team reports are something you should already be doing
[03:52] <mhall119> it lets the rest of the community know what's going on in other places/teams
[03:53] <blahdeblah> I can't think of a less interesting topic for an app/mashup than "what we did in April 2009".
[03:53] <mhall119> Ubuntu Weekly News makes use of team reports
[03:53] <blahdeblah> Even then, if it's anything more than 1-3 months old, it's historical interest only.
[03:54] <mhall119> probably, yeah
[03:54] <mhall119> oh, re-approval, it's very handy for team reapprovals
[03:54] <blahdeblah> Seems like a lot of trouble to go to for data that is not going to get queried much...
[03:54] <mhall119> ah, it was no trouble at all ;)
[03:54] <blahdeblah> Except for the people who are editing it... ;-)
[03:55] <mhall119> you don't _have_ to use LD if you don't find it useful
[03:56] <blahdeblah> Cool
[03:56] <blahdeblah> Just trying to understand your reasoning behind recommending it over the wiki
[03:56] <blahdeblah> I like the low-overhead, easy-add, flexible nature of wikis
[03:56] <mhall119> but if you _want_ to use it, we're happy to make improvements to make that easier
[03:56] <mhall119> if you find that you prefer the wiki way of doing things, then by all means keep using that
[03:56] <mhall119> sure
[03:56] <blahdeblah> at the moment, we're doing an awful lot of double/triple entry
[03:56] <mhall119> though, I can't remember the last time I got a timeout after posting to LD
[03:57] <blahdeblah> One of head_victim's bugbears is we don't seem to have a way to share the same event data between, say, LD, wiki, web site, and Facebook.
[03:58] <mhall119> well LD provide ical, rss and JSON feeds of all it's data
[03:58] <mhall119> surely your website and facebook can use one of those
[03:58] <blahdeblah> I don't believe Drupal has any way to import iCal data automatically.
[03:58] <mhall119> it can import rss though
[03:58] <blahdeblah> (At least, not the severely limited version Canonical provides)
[03:58] <mhall119> I'd be willing to bet someone's made an ical importer for it
[03:59] <blahdeblah> I'd be willing to bet it requires manual intervention, too ;-)
[03:59] <mhall119> do you use a specific Drupal module for calendar data?
[03:59]  * blahdeblah checks
[03:59] <mhall119> if so, we can perhaps write some code to integrate it with LD
[04:00] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDirectory/API/Clients already has the start of a PHP client library
[04:01] <blahdeblah> looks like we use the "Basic Event" module.
[04:01] <blahdeblah> And we're on drupal 5.22 which is pretty old i understand
[04:02] <mhall119> yeah, I think they just came out with 7 or something
[04:02] <blahdeblah> yeah
[04:03]  * mhall119 isn't much of a drupal developer
[04:03] <blahdeblah> me neither
[04:03] <mhall119> but http://drupal.org/project/event says it has an API to store event data
[04:03] <mhall119> so that + LD client library + whatever drupal uses for scheduled updates
[04:03] <mhall119> should give you integration
[04:04] <blahdeblah> apparently, there are no scheduled updates
[04:04] <blahdeblah> cron was last run 5 weeks ago
[04:04] <blahdeblah> I would have thought Canonical's hosting would provide some mechanism to do that
[04:04] <mhall119> http://drupal.org/node/286938 makes it sound like it can import ical
[04:05] <mhall119> blahdeblah: I'm not sure what they offer, sorry
[04:06] <blahdeblah> Does look interesting
[04:06] <mhall119> but again, LD lets us provide this data in a usable form (3 forms, actually), while the wiki does not
[04:06] <blahdeblah> Anyway, thanks for your help, mhall119 - i'm sure head_victim will have more to say about all this.
[04:07] <mhall119> thanks for your input, I look forward to fixing your bugs :)
[04:07] <blahdeblah> :-P
[04:07] <mhall119> we can't fix what isn't reported
[04:09] <blahdeblah> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/715581
[04:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 715581 in loco-directory "Agenda item description field is too small (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[04:10] <mhall119> blahdeblah: which is more important for you, vertical space or horizontal?
[04:11] <blahdeblah> yes
[04:11] <blahdeblah> ;-)
[04:11] <mhall119> portrait or landscape?
[04:11] <mhall119> can't say 'yes' to that :P
[04:15] <blahdeblah> mhall119: Personally, i would prefer more width, because most screens nowadays are 16:9 or 16:10 aspect ratio, but others might see it differently.  I would say at least 3 times wider and 2 times taller than it currently is.
[04:16] <mhall119> hmmm, that might be too big for most other teams...
[04:16] <mhall119> usually they just use a single line for an agenda item
[04:16] <mhall119> the description field was really only for short descriptions
[04:17] <blahdeblah> Evidently ;-)
[04:17] <mhall119> what are you planning on storing in it?
[04:17] <blahdeblah> If people are going to take the time to prepare for the meeting by adding structured agendas, they will probably want to write 3 or 4 sentences about their item, IMO.
[04:18] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings sayd "first a half line subject, followed by a short description as a sub-point of the subject, and signing it with your wikiname or IRC nick after that"
[04:24] <mhall119> 3 or 4 sentences will probably be the max
[04:24] <mhall119> we don't need a 6x size increase to contain that
[04:24] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings/2011February8 would easily fit
[04:24] <mhall119> I think doubling the width and height should be sufficient
[05:31] <head_victim> mhall119: the idea will be to do that but the team isn't used to it yet so I'm going to introduce it slowly
[05:34] <head_victim> Make sure everyone knows what it is, where it is and how to use it before it's the only thing in use.
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:21] <AlanBell> mhall119: mootbot-uk appears to be down. Daviey runs that one, I just hacked it together.
[08:22] <Daviey> *sigh*
[08:25] <Daviey> should be back
[12:17] <mhall119> thanks Daviey 
[17:06] <Ronnie> evening
[17:28] <leoquant> evening Ronnie 
[17:28] <leoquant> (response time?)
[17:28] <Ronnie> hey leoquant, also in this channel :P
[17:29] <leoquant> ツ
[19:32] <Ronnie> YoBoY: do you know more teams which have the same LP setup as ubuntu-fr (that the team_owner and team_admins are teams itself?)
[19:32] <Ronnie> i have a bugfix for this, and want to check this
[20:07] <YoBoY> Ronnie: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-it
[20:18] <Ronnie> thx YoBoY, looks like thats working too
[20:20] <Ronnie> YoBoY: http://img225.imageshack.us/i/schermafdruk1d.png/
[20:22] <YoBoY> Ronnie: great... but i'm not really sure... if your patch can provide the full list of a team, the "team contact" become useless or redundant, no ?
[20:52] <dscassel> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

This test script was made to automate HUNTAR test case ID 5103 in the 10.0.1 Waterloo backplane.</selenium-comment>
Navigate to the User and Groups page before begining to execute and be logged in with Admin credentials.</selenium-comment>
oegroup creation</selenium-comment>
[20:52] <dscassel> <assertTitle parameter="target=Users and Groups, value=" keyword="false" description="Gets the title of the current page."/>
[20:52] <dscassel> <click parameter="target=ui=livelink::user:userAddItemSelect(), value=" keyword="false" description="Clicks on a link, button, checkbox or radio button. If the click action&#xA;causes a new page to load (like a link usually does), call&#xA;waitForPageToLoad."/>
[20:52] <dscassel> <clickAndWait parameter="target=ui=livelink::user:addGroup(), value=" keyword="false" description="Clicks on a link, button, checkbox or radio button. If the click action&#xA;causes a new page to load (like a link usually does), call&#xA;waitForPageToLoad."/>
[20:52] <dscassel> <assertTitle parameter="target=Content Server Create Group, value=" keyword="false" description="Gets the title of the current page."/>
[20:52] <dscassel> <type parameter="target=GroupName, value=oegroup" keyword="false" description="Sets the value of an input field, as though you typed it in.&#xA;&#xA;Can also be used to set the value of combo boxes, check boxes, etc. In these cases,&#xA;value should be the value of the option selected, not the visible text."/>
[20:52] <dscassel> <clickAndWait parameter="target=ui=livelink::submitBtn(), value=" keyword="false" description="Clicks on a link, button, checkbox or radio button. If the click action&#xA;causes a new page to load (like a link usually does), call&#xA;waitForPageToLoad."/>
[20:52] <dscassel> <assertTitle parameter="target=Content Server Group Members Info, value=" keyword="false" description="Gets the title of the current page."/>
[20:52] <dscassel> <selectFrame parameter="target=EditGroup, value=" keyword="false" description="Selects a frame within the current window.  (You may invoke this command&#xA;multiple times to select nested frames.)  To select the parent frame, use&#xA;&quot;relative=parent&quot; as a locator; to select the top frame, use &quot;relative=top&quot;.&#xA;You can also select a frame by its 0-based index number; select the first frame with&#xA;&quot
[20:52] <dscassel> <clickAndWait parameter="target=ui=livelink::doneBtn(), value=" keyword="false" description="Clicks on a link, button, checkbox or radio button. If the click action&#xA;causes a new page to load (like a link usually does), call&#xA;waitForPageToLoad."/>
Client group creation</selenium-comment>
[20:52] <pleia2> !ops
[20:52] <ubot4> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, Madpilot, tritium, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, jpds, gnomefreak, bazhang, jussi, Flannel, ikonia, maco, h00k, IdleOne, nhandler, bilalakhtar, Jordan_U, or rww!
[20:53] <dscassel> <selectWindow parameter="target=null, value=" keyword="false" description="Selects a popup window using a window locator; once a popup window has been selected, all&#xA;commands go to that window. To select the main window again, use null&#xA;as the target.&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;Window locators provide different ways of specifying the window object:&#xA;by title, by internal JavaScript &quot;name,&quot; or by JavaScript variable
[20:53] <dscassel> Apologies. right click paste gets me every time.
[20:53] <pleia2> might want to look into flood protection if your client has it :)
[20:53] <pleia2> (irssi has saved me!)
[20:54] <dscassel> pleia2: It prevented another 11 lines from being pasted in. :P
[20:54] <pleia2> ah
[20:58] <mhall119> irssi saves me from paste flooding moore than I'd like to admit
[20:59] <Pici> pleia2: still need help?
[20:59] <pleia2> Pici: no, flood has ended :)
[20:59] <pleia2> thanks anyway
[21:00] <Pici> np
[21:11] <Ronnie> mhall119: is #688064 is committed into production? if so, the status should be changed to "fix released"
[21:13] <cjohnston> bug 688064
[21:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 688064 in loco-directory "Add meetings to 'upcoming events' on team's pages (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688064
[21:14] <cjohnston> yes it is
[21:14] <cjohnston> want to fix it Ronnie ?
[21:14] <Ronnie> ill change it. i just needed a confirm
[21:15] <cjohnston> :-)
[21:17] <mhall119> Ronnie: +1
[21:17] <mhall119> good catch
[21:17] <Ronnie> just working trough my assigned bug ;)
[21:18] <Ronnie> a few to go
[21:19] <Ronnie> mhall119: any progress on django foundations lately?
[21:20] <Ronnie> cjohnston: if you have time, can you review this bug 712569. i need this fix also for another bug and dont want to create conflicts
[21:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 712569 in loco-directory "meetings ical does not use python-vobject (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712569
[21:21] <mhall119> Ronnie: no, I haven't had a chance to do much of anything lately
[21:21] <mhall119> been busy with a new project at work
[21:21] <Ronnie> oke, is there anything i can help to get the foundations running?
[21:24] <mhall119> the next step is writing a "getting started" guide
[21:25] <Ronnie> is the project already that far?
[21:26] <mhall119> probably not
[21:26] <mhall119> :)
[21:26] <mhall119> but writing the guide will tell us where it's not ready
[21:26] <Ronnie> whats for example the method for adding urls to the root urls.py (manually?) and what with the media directory of imported branches, they need to be linked
[21:27] <mhall119> yup, all that needs to be decided and documented
[21:28] <Ronnie> i think that will be difficult stuff
[21:29] <Ronnie> at least for what i noticed with the google map sample
[21:42] <Ronnie> daker, mhall119: looking at this bug 712569 . does the language menu needs translation ? i guess its very hard to find my language if the name of the language is translated in chinese
[21:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 712569 in loco-directory "meetings ical does not use python-vobject (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712569
[21:42] <Ronnie> oops: bug 648296
[21:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 648296 in loco-directory "Languages in language selector should be listed alphabetically (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/648296
[21:46] <daker> Ronnie, if you could look at my branch https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/loco-directory/ld-languages-menu
[21:47] <daker> and see what's the problem with it
[21:47] <Ronnie> i was looking at the diff, usually much easier to understand
[21:47] <daker> ok
[21:48] <Ronnie> but as far is i understand you look for the translation file to lookup translations for the languages
[21:49] <Ronnie> but i think the languages should not be translated for each country (the language should be written in the language itself)
[21:50] <daker> they are not translated
[21:51] <Ronnie> can we translate them ourself (with help of the loco's) once and put them hardcoded into the db?
[21:53] <daker> not sure, the languages are taken from LP
[21:54] <daker> cjohnston, mhall119  what do you think ?
[22:29] <Ddorda> guys, say, i'm willing to ask for canonical sponsorship for the uds
[22:29] <Ddorda> i saw "Would you be willing to participate as member of the crew?", what crew?
[22:32] <nhandler> Ddorda: The crew helps out with keeping everything running smoothly at the events (i.e. making sure people are where they need to be, that the rooms have all of the proper equipment, help with the video and audio streams of the sessions, and other work that gets done) at least from what I've heard from discussions
[22:32] <Ddorda> nhandler: hm.. i guess i don't mind taking part in that, not sure how much i can help :P
[22:34] <cjohnston> Ddorda: sponsorship isnt open yet
[22:34] <cjohnston> Daviey: ^^
[22:34] <daker_> Ddorda, A crew is a body or a class of people who work at a common activity
[22:34] <Ddorda> cjohnston: well, as much as i see it is :O
[22:35] <Ddorda> daker_: i know what crew is
[22:35] <cjohnston> it isnt..
[22:35] <Ddorda> i meant what it will be doing
[22:35] <cjohnston> the app is broken
[22:35] <cjohnston> it shouldnt show the application yet
[22:35] <Ddorda> cjohnston: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/sponsorship/
[22:35] <Ddorda> this one?
[22:36] <cjohnston> correct.. it shouldnt yet show the application.. there is a patch submitted
[22:36] <cjohnston> waiting for it to be aplied
[22:36] <Ddorda> well, it worked for me :x
[22:37] <daker_> Lol
[22:37] <Ddorda> erm..
[22:37]  * Ddorda scratches his head
[22:38] <Ddorda> well, if it worked, it worked, right?
[22:38] <Ddorda> or i should refill everything soon?
[22:38] <daker_> you will be the first one to apply xD
[22:38] <Ddorda> daker_: seem so :P
[22:38] <cjohnston> they will prolly disregard any that are sent in prior to it being open
[22:38] <cjohnston> daker_: there have already been others
[22:40] <Ddorda> cjohnston: too bad, i wrote the "why me" part for long time :x
[22:42] <Ddorda> cjohnston: i'll get "released" when the new version will come out?
[22:42] <cjohnston> ?
[22:42] <Ddorda> cjohnston: "You've already requested sponsorship to uds-o. If you have....."
[22:44] <cjohnston> my understanding is that it isnt open.. im trying to verify now.. i dont know what will happen to the app if its done prior to sponsorship being accepted
[22:44] <Ddorda> so do you have any idea if when the new page comes out i'll be able to refill it?
[22:44] <cjohnston> dunno
[22:44] <Ddorda> cjohnston: okay, thank you
[22:45] <Ddorda> cjohnston: if you'll anything further can you PM it to me or something?
[22:45] <Ddorda> I wanna be updated :P
[22:45] <cjohnston> sure
[22:45] <Ddorda> cjohnston: thanks
[22:45] <Ddorda> going to sleep now. g'night folks :)
[23:49] <mhall119> UDS sponsorship is not open yet
[23:50] <mhall119> IIRC, any applications sent now will likely sit and wait until the sponsorship period opens and closes, you don't get any priority by being in there first
[23:54] <mhall119> AlanBell: where's the mootbot-uk code hosted?