| collinp | I'M NOT LATE. | 00:00 |
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| duanedesign | me too :) | 00:00 |
| phillw | made it with seconds to spare :) | 00:00 |
| collinp | Oh yes. | 00:01 |
| UndiFineD | o/ | 00:01 |
| jledbetter | Howdy | 00:01 |
| duanedesign | #startmeeting | 00:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 18:01. The chair is duanedesign. | 00:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 00:01 |
| duanedesign | hello everyone and thank you for coming | 00:01 |
| duanedesign | it is awesome to have so many new people joining the team | 00:02 |
| duanedesign | our mentee seeking mentor list is kinda long | 00:03 |
| phillw | I'm kidnapping them as fast I can :P | 00:03 |
| UndiFineD | funny how it turned out exactly as i predicted in august duanedesign | 00:03 |
| duanedesign | however I notice some of those folks I have never seen in the channel | 00:03 |
| * jledbetter goes to look at it. | 00:03 | |
| UndiFineD | or was it oktober ... time flies | 00:04 |
| duanedesign | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Membership | 00:04 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Membership | 00:04 |
| duanedesign | is there anyone here who has not yet been paired up with antone? | 00:04 |
| duanedesign | anyone* | 00:05 |
| hakimsheriff2 | Sorry im late | 00:05 |
| phillw | duanedesign: as people on the mentor list are recommended by their TL's, it is a difficult problem. Do we turn them away are welcome them? | 00:05 |
| duanedesign | or should that be paired up with someone...:P | 00:05 |
| collinp | hakimsheriff: No problem. I was -almost- late myself. | 00:05 |
| jledbetter | Paired up as in 'seeking master'? Right? | 00:05 |
| phillw | /sare/or | 00:05 |
| duanedesign | jledbetter: yes a master or mentor | 00:06 |
| duanedesign | phillw: what is TL? | 00:06 |
| collinp | Team Leader? | 00:06 |
| phillw | Team Leader, as per the email sent out. | 00:06 |
| * jledbetter isn't a mentor or master but has no available time at the moment, unfortunately. | 00:06 | |
| duanedesign | jledbetter: ok, thank you for beiing honest | 00:07 |
| collinp | I was here before the team was even called what it is now. I guess that classifies as enough experience :P | 00:07 |
| collinp | Sadly, I have no time either. | 00:07 |
| jledbetter | That's how I roll :) Maybe next month. | 00:07 |
| hakimsheriff2 | I am not a full member yet so I cant | 00:08 |
| duanedesign | hakimsheriff2: do you have a Beginners Team member sho is helping you out? | 00:08 |
| hakimsheriff2 | Mohi is.my mentor | 00:09 |
| duanedesign | each prospective member should have someone who is helping them join the team and.or joining a team in the community | 00:09 |
| duanedesign | hakimsheriff2: oh great | 00:09 |
| duanedesign | he has been a little ill lately. he will be back soon | 00:09 |
| hakimsheriff2 | Thats why I didnt see him | 00:09 |
| jledbetter | Is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Mentors up to date? Those the only approved masters/mentors? | 00:10 |
| duanedesign | lets keep an eye out for the people on the mentee list and see who stops by the channel | 00:10 |
| MrChrisDruif | No member either....even if I was, wouldn't have much time :) | 00:10 |
| UndiFineD | MrChrisDruif: you are doing great :) | 00:10 |
| phillw | hakimsheriff if you need a bit of extra help, I'm sure that pedro would assist you, those two guys work very closely together. | 00:10 |
| duanedesign | yes mohi has chicken pox :( I think he is on the mends though | 00:11 |
| hakimsheriff2 | Help in what exactly? | 00:11 |
| collinp | Remember that Ubuntu is purely volunteer work, you contribute only if you have the time for it, so there's no pressure if you can't due to other obligations. | 00:11 |
| phillw | hakimsheriff in any area. | 00:11 |
| duanedesign | hakimsheriff2: anything UBuntu or BT related | 00:11 |
| hakimsheriff2 | Mohi helps me getting involved | 00:12 |
| duanedesign | collinp: so true. We want this to be fun | 00:12 |
| hakimsheriff2 | It is fun! | 00:12 |
| jledbetter | fun +1 | 00:12 |
| MrChrisDruif | Suggestion: discuss this after the meeting? O:-) | 00:12 |
| hakimsheriff2 | Sure | 00:12 |
| pedro3005 | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun | 00:13 |
| duanedesign | also all the members of the team are your mentors. Everyone gets someone assigned to them to be a designated contact, but dont be afrais to ask anyone on the team a question | 00:13 |
| duanedesign | pedro3005: lol | 00:13 |
| hakimsheriff2 | Btw.... My normal nick doesnt hav a 2 in it | 00:13 |
| duanedesign | jledbetter: yes that is the list | 00:13 |
| duanedesign | ehich is a good transition into next topic | 00:14 |
| jledbetter | :) | 00:14 |
| duanedesign | [TOPIC] more mentors | 00:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: more mentors | 00:14 |
| duanedesign | ok, we put into place some new requirements to be a mento. | 00:14 |
| duanedesign | mentor | 00:14 |
| collinp | Welcome seidos. | 00:15 |
| duanedesign | basically the community at large wanted some reassurance that our mentors knew their stuff | 00:15 |
| seidos | gracias collinp | 00:15 |
| jledbetter | Have to be a Master to be Mentor, right? | 00:16 |
| duanedesign | if the bug guys or the doc guys are going to send mentees to us they want to make sure we are assigning knowledgable mentors | 00:16 |
| duanedesign | jledbetter: yes, I think all members are masters | 00:16 |
| jledbetter | Great. | 00:16 |
| phillw | duanedesign: there was only one way I could get Manuela happy as a mentor, as she does not fit into any of the main 4 groups, but Accessibility is a vital part of ubuntu. So I put her htere. | 00:16 |
| phillw | *there* | 00:17 |
| duanedesign | that makes sense | 00:17 |
| duanedesign | phillw: we want to start an accessebility FG eventually | 00:17 |
| duanedesign | so I see no problem with that | 00:17 |
| jledbetter | That'd be nice. | 00:17 |
| duanedesign | If you all saw my email earlier today it outlined breifly the requirments to be a mentor | 00:18 |
| duanedesign | bug fg mentor should be a member of Bug Control | 00:18 |
| duanedesign | doc FG, doc contributors or wiki admin | 00:18 |
| phillw | as the TL for speechcontrol and dragging a dormant project back to life, she has done outstanding work. | 00:18 |
| UndiFineD | I talked with cprofitt on a accessibility FG , he said it would fit in with devs and support | 00:18 |
| duanedesign | support fg, is based on contributions since their is no community team counterpart | 00:19 |
| duanedesign | Development FG you should be a Contributing Developers, per-package uploaders, MOTU or Core Developers. | 00:19 |
| seidos | is there a particular focus group considered to have the most need right now? | 00:19 |
| duanedesign | hhmmm, good question | 00:20 |
| MrChrisDruif | Accessibility, as it's a young fg? | 00:20 |
| duanedesign | ill think about that | 00:20 |
| duanedesign | i want to encourage all members to be mentors | 00:21 |
| phillw | seidos: they all need help, but having missed the 10.10 docs, if you are familar with wiki and docs, that team needs a bit of help. | 00:21 |
| UndiFineD | if an accessibility FG would be created, the people with interest are recommended to be forwarded to #ubuntu-accessibility | 00:21 |
| seidos | phillw: i have done a bit of wiki | 00:21 |
| seidos | i was going to say bugs, but you kind of need to know dev to fix code, unless bugs need triaging | 00:21 |
| duanedesign | If you are already a member of one of the community teams I mentioned, or you feel like you have enough support under your belt please let me or cprofitt know | 00:22 |
| duanedesign | so we can add you to othe mentor list | 00:22 |
| jledbetter | Will do | 00:23 |
| duanedesign | I also wanted to ask if anyone thinks there are any good ideas for encouraging/helping each other join these teams so we can increase the number of mentors | 00:23 |
| hajour | i was not on the list but i been made mentor not long ago | 00:23 |
| phillw | duanedesign: the creation of an accessibility FG would allow more people to feel comfortable, they need not be a member of just one. There are, for example, some excellent coders on the tram. I'd ask that you check with the council | 00:23 |
| phillw | /s/tram/team/ | 00:24 |
| duanedesign | right now we will probablly do the accessebility FG under another FG until it grows a bit and then we will make an official FG | 00:24 |
| UndiFineD | duanedesign: I have a broad interest, so I try know a bit of all | 00:24 |
| hakimsheriff2 | Good idea | 00:25 |
| duanedesign | i think charlie-tca is also very interested in accessebility | 00:25 |
| jledbetter | duanedesign, How to get more mentors? Ask? Maybe training too? | 00:25 |
| seidos | i dabbled in accessibility | 00:25 |
| seidos | i couldn't get orca working | 00:25 |
| seidos | not sure what other tools are out there | 00:25 |
| duanedesign | jledbetter: i thought maybe some loose knit ggroups that help each other accomplish the requirements for membership in the team of interest | 00:26 |
| hajour | i am mentor accessibility duanedesign | 00:26 |
| phillw | duanedesign: but it is a bit difficult, as we do teaching web pages, have devs working on projects etc. They just do not know where to 'slot in' | 00:26 |
| UndiFineD | seidos: you can ask that in #ubuntu-accessibility | 00:26 |
| jledbetter | duanedesign, I can definitely see that being helpful with dev. It's a huge realm. | 00:26 |
| collinp | phillw: Accessibility would fit in under the dev FG. | 00:27 |
| duanedesign | PabloRubianes: hello | 00:27 |
| PabloRubianes | yes | 00:27 |
| collinp | Until it gets to a critical mass where it can form it's own FG. | 00:27 |
| duanedesign | PabloRubianes: sorry i was tryiing to respond to your PM :P | 00:27 |
| UndiFineD | collinp: what is considered critical mass ? | 00:27 |
| collinp | Enough to sustain it. | 00:27 |
| collinp | Probably 10+ members. | 00:27 |
| duanedesign | yes we have had a problem in the past of jumping the gun on FG | 00:28 |
| phillw | collinp: speechcontrol itself is well past that :) | 00:28 |
| UndiFineD | collinp: I think we reached that already | 00:28 |
| duanedesign | where we have focus groups that sound ggreat, we form them and they never quite sustain themselves | 00:28 |
| phillw | as we are under the access group, you'd be suprised :) | 00:28 |
| hakimsheriff2 | I am using a text to speech right now | 00:28 |
| duanedesign | UndiFineD: thats great. we can work on that this month and put it on the agenda for next meeting | 00:29 |
| collinp | phillw: Consider the fact that the Dev and Wiki FGs are the only ones that have 5+ members in their IRC channels. | 00:29 |
| jledbetter | Accessibility helps everyone so it's good that it's a very popular group | 00:29 |
| MrChrisDruif | Great hakimsheriff2 :) | 00:29 |
| collinp | Right now, at least. | 00:29 |
| hajour | we have 40 members on speechcontrol team and we are attached on the accessibility program collinp | 00:29 |
| phillw | duanedesign: I know that fully well, but with people like hajour and pen, along with alan bell - that FG would be self sustainable. | 00:29 |
| collinp | Speaking of the Dev FG, at the end of the meeting duanedesign, could I make an impromptu announcement? | 00:30 |
| duanedesign | collinp: absolutely | 00:30 |
| UndiFineD | new members interested in accessibility are requested to join #ubuntu-accessibility | 00:30 |
| seidos | UndiFineD: already joined | 00:31 |
| phillw | they are also required to sign the CoC | 00:31 |
| duanedesign | ok so we need more mentors, so lets encourage each other and do what we can there | 00:31 |
| jledbetter | Sounds good | 00:32 |
| UndiFineD | well, I think I might be ready for a new padawan soon | 00:32 |
| seidos | duanedesign: i can go where i'm wanted. people don't like hanging out in an empty and/or quiet channel | 00:32 |
| duanedesign | :) | 00:32 |
| phillw | duanedesign: I have a new lubuntueer, he's a dev person. I may be able to get him on board. | 00:32 |
| MrChrisDruif | UndiFineD flies through his padawan's :P | 00:32 |
| duanedesign | ok whho has mentee here? | 00:33 |
| duanedesign | who wants to give an update | 00:33 |
| MrChrisDruif | duanedesign: Hmm? | 00:33 |
| phillw | duanedesign: I have 4! | 00:33 |
| hajour | well there are all working on the accessibility programs seidos because i have many in the speechcontrol team | 00:33 |
| UndiFineD | I have MrChrisDruif , who needs testamonials | 00:33 |
| * seidos flies through his master | 00:33 | |
| seidos | d'oh | 00:33 |
| * seidos puts on the rock of shame and the rock of triumph | 00:34 | |
| collinp | phillw: Wow. | 00:34 |
| collinp | That's quite a bit. | 00:34 |
| MrChrisDruif | xD | 00:34 |
| duanedesign | MrChrisDruif: at each meeting we like to give updates on how our mentees are doing. Mentors/Masters share the success, or disappearances of their mentees | 00:34 |
| duanedesign | ill go first | 00:34 |
| phillw | UndiFineD: MrChrisDruif is a wonderful padawan, it is joy and delight to chat to him. He has learned so much. | 00:34 |
| duanedesign | Daniel** has been doing well. He has been putting in the time showing up in the channel | 00:34 |
| duanedesign | he also is working with phillw | 00:35 |
| duanedesign | next | 00:35 |
| hajour | i think MrChrisDruif also would be a good master | 00:35 |
| duanedesign | dont be shy, someone tell us how your mentee is doing... | 00:35 |
| jledbetter | What about mentee saying how she/he is doing if master isn't present? | 00:36 |
| duanedesign | that would be awesome | 00:36 |
| phillw | I know that two of mine have had 'issues', but they have assured me that they will not let the project that they have been assigned to down. | 00:36 |
| duanedesign | phillw: i think as long as they let you know what is going on | 00:37 |
| UndiFineD | MrChrisDruif has been my padawan for a small month, he has been around much longer than that, he is my first, but I think he is ready for his testamonials, he made great progress and is involved in the development with many common teams | 00:37 |
| phillw | UndiFineD: If it were a vote, he'd get a +1 from me without hesitation. | 00:38 |
| seidos | do you cover positive and negative aspects of mentees or padwans? | 00:38 |
| duanedesign | yes MrChrisDruif i see alot in the channel which is good :) | 00:38 |
| MrChrisDruif | duanedesign: phillw is omnipresent (or has his ways of getting the news O:-)) | 00:38 |
| duanedesign | seidos: mostly positives and missing in actions | 00:38 |
| seidos | RIP MIA :( | 00:39 |
| UndiFineD | seidos: we tend to emphasize the positive, negative aspects can be dealt with in private hmm :) | 00:39 |
| collinp | Look who strolls in. | 00:39 |
| hajour | duanedesign, cprofitt is not here but i have JackyAlcine in my team many hours and i see him also often in ubuntu beginners team and in ubuntu-beginners helping | 00:39 |
| duanedesign | that way if someone is missing someone else has the opportunity to say oh [s]he is... | 00:39 |
| seidos | UndiFineD: always? like festering wounds? | 00:39 |
| duanedesign | yes | 00:39 |
| duanedesign | i mean yes to hajour :) | 00:39 |
| seidos | i inferred \o/ | 00:40 |
| seidos | is inference the same as assumption? hmmm | 00:40 |
| collinp | Inference is guessing something missing based on what is given. | 00:40 |
| collinp | Assumption is guessing based on past experience. | 00:40 |
| jledbetter | haha | 00:41 |
| UndiFineD | I think JackyAlcine is ready | 00:41 |
| duanedesign | ok great | 00:41 |
| seidos | past experience isn't given? hmmmm | 00:41 |
| phillw | hajour: I think JackyAlcine would make an excellent mentor, he has the patience to help and the thirst to learn. | 00:41 |
| hajour | collinp, a little could you be a little more clear? | 00:41 |
| hajour | yes agree phillw | 00:41 |
| duanedesign | [ACTION] work on accessebility fg | 00:42 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: work on accessebility fg | 00:42 |
| MrChrisDruif | Does JackyAlcine have the time? He's always busy with SpeechControl :) | 00:42 |
| collinp | Er. google.com -> define:inference and define:assumption | 00:42 |
| seidos | collinp: i don't disagree with the definitions | 00:42 |
| seidos | thanks :) | 00:42 |
| charlie-tca | i can infer from what he implied | 00:42 |
| jledbetter | But anyway... | 00:42 |
| hajour | MrChrisDruif, a mentee can work with the project fromm his her mentor | 00:42 |
| duanedesign | i think that is hajour and UndiFineD. The accessebility fg | 00:42 |
| collinp | charlie-tca: Oh my god. | 00:42 |
| charlie-tca | lol | 00:43 |
| charlie-tca | but assume is never good | 00:43 |
| seidos | charlie-tca: you can, but should you ;) | 00:43 |
| jledbetter | Back to agenda, please :) | 00:43 |
| collinp | ^ good idea. | 00:43 |
| phillw | there are enough people on accessibilty channels to support a FG - Some quite astounding people in fact | 00:43 |
| duanedesign | oh and charlie-tca and hggdh have been doing a great job of being available to answer questions in our channel about bug triage | 00:44 |
| * hggdh hears self's name | 00:44 | |
| duanedesign | please be aware they are there and they love to help :) | 00:44 |
| UndiFineD | yes, the user days was nice | 00:44 |
| phillw | duanedesign: and tenach has started the classroom sessions for coding web sites | 00:44 |
| UndiFineD | ? phillw did i miss it ? | 00:45 |
| phillw | UndiFineD: we have not done that one yet.... me and another are doing those sessions :D | 00:46 |
| duanedesign | me and cprofitt talked today about hggdh and charlie-tca becoming members of the BT. I probably dont have to tell you all they would be great members of the team | 00:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | I don't want to be a party pooper, but we've got about 15 mins left.... | 00:46 |
| UndiFineD | duanedesign: totally agree-ing | 00:47 |
| duanedesign | and since the last thing we always cover is member votes let us vote on them being members :) | 00:47 |
| phillw | duanedesign: I do not know hggdh, but charlie-tca I would give a +1 to | 00:47 |
| collinp | There's not another meeting for a while, so we probably won't have any trouble if we go over the meeting time. | 00:47 |
| hajour | +1 | 00:47 |
| hggdh | phillw: I am one of the admins for bug-control and bugsquad | 00:47 |
| PabloRubianes | duanedesign, good lets vote then | 00:48 |
| duanedesign | [VOTE] hggdh for member | 00:48 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: hggdh for member. | 00:48 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 00:48 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 00:48 |
| duanedesign | +1 | 00:48 |
| collinp | +1 | 00:48 |
| MootBot | +1 received from duanedesign. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:48 |
| MootBot | +1 received from collinp. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 00:48 |
| phillw | hggdh: you have just gained a +1 from me, bug hunting is a neverending task | 00:48 |
| UndiFineD | +1 | 00:48 |
| MootBot | +1 received from UndiFineD. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 00:48 |
| hajour | +1 | 00:48 |
| MootBot | +1 received from hajour. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:48 |
| phillw | +1 | 00:48 |
| MootBot | +1 received from phillw. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 00:48 |
| PabloRubianes | +1 | 00:49 |
| MootBot | +1 received from PabloRubianes. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 00:49 |
| duanedesign | any other members present to vote | 00:49 |
| collinp | Well, that was simple. | 00:49 |
| duanedesign | [ENDVOTE] | 00:49 |
| MootBot | Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6 | 00:49 |
| duanedesign | yaa | 00:49 |
| hggdh | :-) | 00:49 |
| hggdh | thank you folks | 00:49 |
| jledbetter | +1 (I was reading sorry) | 00:49 |
| jledbetter | Grats! | 00:49 |
| duanedesign | welcome hggdh | 00:49 |
| collinp | hggdh: I think you mentioning "admin for bug-control and bugsquad" did the trick :P | 00:49 |
| PabloRubianes | congrats hggdh | 00:49 |
| charlie-tca | Congratulations, hggdh | 00:49 |
| hggdh | heh | 00:49 |
| MrChrisDruif | Congratz hggdh :) | 00:49 |
| duanedesign | ok now mr charlie | 00:49 |
| hajour | congrats hggdh and charlie-tca | 00:49 |
| charlie-tca | I am just an underling compared to hggdh | 00:50 |
| paultag | +1, late | 00:50 |
| duanedesign | I met charlie at UDS and I see him all over the community. He would be a great +! iin my book | 00:50 |
| paultag | love you guys, keep on keeping on | 00:50 |
| hggdh | charlie-tca: not at all | 00:50 |
| MrChrisDruif | hajour: I think we need to vote about it (but will prolly pass) | 00:50 |
| duanedesign | [VOTE] charlie-tca for member | 00:50 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: charlie-tca for member. | 00:50 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 00:50 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 00:50 |
| UndiFineD | +1 | 00:50 |
| duanedesign | +1 | 00:50 |
| hajour | +1 | 00:50 |
| jledbetter | +1 | 00:50 |
| MootBot | +1 received from UndiFineD. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:50 |
| MootBot | +1 received from duanedesign. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 00:50 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jledbetter. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 00:50 |
| collinp | 0 | 00:50 |
| MootBot | +1 received from hajour. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:50 |
| paultag | +1 | 00:50 |
| MootBot | +1 received from paultag. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 00:50 |
| collinp | er | 00:50 |
| collinp | +0 | 00:50 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from collinp. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 00:50 |
| phillw | +1 | 00:50 |
| PabloRubianes | +1 | 00:50 |
| MootBot | +1 received from PabloRubianes. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 00:50 |
| MootBot | +1 received from phillw. 7 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 7 | 00:50 |
| duanedesign | ok... anymore | 00:50 |
| hggdh | Can I vote? | 00:51 |
| pedro3005 | seidos | 00:51 |
| duanedesign | ya | 00:51 |
| paultag | hggdh: I think so, you're a member now :) | 00:51 |
| duanedesign | :) | 00:51 |
| hggdh | +1 | 00:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from hggdh. 8 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 8 | 00:51 |
| MrChrisDruif | hggdh: Your a member ;) | 00:51 |
| duanedesign | he catches on quick | 00:51 |
| paultag | duanedesign: inorite? | 00:51 |
| duanedesign | [ENDVOTE] | 00:51 |
| MootBot | Final result is 8 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 8 | 00:51 |
| duanedesign | woo hoo | 00:51 |
| hggdh | charlie-tca is worth it ;-) | 00:51 |
| MrChrisDruif | Congratz charlie-tca :) | 00:51 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you | 00:51 |
| jledbetter | Congratulions charlie-tca :) | 00:51 |
| paultag | charlie-tca: 'grats | 00:51 |
| duanedesign | collinp: did yiu want to say something? | 00:52 |
| hggdh | yeee, I am not the newest member anymore | 00:52 |
| PabloRubianes | charlie-tca, congrats!!! | 00:52 |
| jledbetter | s/Congratulions/Congratulations/ | 00:52 |
| duanedesign | charlie-tca: welcome | 00:52 |
| collinp | Oh, yes. | 00:52 |
| phillw | charlie-tca: and hggdh welcome to UBT. | 00:52 |
| UndiFineD | duanedesign:could we vote on JackyAlcine and / or MrChrisDruif ? | 00:52 |
| pedro3005 | and seidos ! | 00:52 |
| collinp | We need more members for the Dev FG. I was staving off due to the team structure changes, but I think this would be the best time to announce that, since most of the team is here. | 00:52 |
| MrChrisDruif | =-O | 00:52 |
| hajour | duanedesign, can JackyAlcine be next time on the list for to become ubt member ? | 00:52 |
| duanedesign | heh, seidos is like mohi | 00:52 |
| collinp | The current member list for the Dev FG, I can count on two hands. | 00:52 |
| duanedesign | you mean he is not a member yet! | 00:52 |
| collinp | The active members I could count on one hand. | 00:52 |
| pedro3005 | duanedesign, he's been my padawan for about a year | 00:53 |
| duanedesign | collinp: you are rifght | 00:53 |
| collinp | If you're interested in joining.. well, let me get the wiki page. | 00:53 |
| pedro3005 | i can't stand that guy anymore! make him a member already | 00:53 |
| MrChrisDruif | pedro3005: A year? | 00:53 |
| pedro3005 | :P just kidding | 00:53 |
| pedro3005 | he's cool | 00:53 |
| jledbetter | collinp, Aren't we a member if we're on launchpad? | 00:53 |
| collinp | jledbetter: You're a member if you're in the Launchpad team, yes. | 00:53 |
| duanedesign | i know there is a lot of interest in the Dev FG... | 00:53 |
| pedro3005 | MrChrisDruif, he became my padawan less than a week after I became a member myself | 00:53 |
| collinp | But first, there's a process. | 00:53 |
| jledbetter | Woots | 00:54 |
| MrChrisDruif | pedro3005: Same with UndiFineD and me :) | 00:54 |
| collinp | If you want it simply put, it's me checking that you have the credentials enough to be a productive member of the team (not very much) and helping you if you don't. | 00:54 |
| MrChrisDruif | Maybe two weeks...didn't count O:-) | 00:54 |
| collinp | So apply to the Launchpad group and I'll get to you on IRC to ensure that you have the credentials for the team. | 00:54 |
| duanedesign | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development | 00:55 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development | 00:55 |
| jledbetter | That's a nice idea to help folks get there, collinp | 00:55 |
| duanedesign | dev FG is aweosme. | 00:55 |
| pedro3005 | so, let's please consider. the poor guy will go on an existential crisis | 00:55 |
| phillw | MrChrisDruif: this is a marathon, not a sprint. take your time and get to know other members :) | 00:55 |
| duanedesign | ok seidos | 00:55 |
| collinp | Rage. I can't find the wiki page. | 00:55 |
| seidos | pedro3005: couldn't you just make a program to automagically confirm members? | 00:55 |
| collinp | So I'll just have to list them out manually. | 00:56 |
| jledbetter | collinp, Is it the one duanedesign linked? | 00:56 |
| * seidos laments and gnashes his teeth | 00:56 | |
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| MrChrisDruif | phillw: I didn't mention being voted upon O:-) | 00:56 |
| collinp | jledbetter: That's the team's Wiki page, but not the one I'm looking for. | 00:56 |
| jledbetter | Ah ok | 00:56 |
| pedro3005 | seidos, but, democracy! | 00:56 |
| duanedesign | we will do MrChrisDruif and JackyAlcine next meeting so if you have not met them yet take a minute to say hi | 00:56 |
| collinp | Ok. Knowing or be learning a programming language is the biggest one. | 00:56 |
| seidos | pedro3005: have everyone vote on your program ;) | 00:56 |
| jledbetter | Even Java? ;) | 00:56 |
| MrChrisDruif | Hai :D | 00:56 |
| collinp | Any programming language will do. | 00:56 |
| collinp | jledbetter: Yes, even java. | 00:56 |
| jledbetter | haha :D | 00:57 |
| pedro3005 | seidos, that program exists, it's called MootBot | 00:57 |
| collinp | (sadly) but uh | 00:57 |
| collinp | No, I'm kidding. | 00:57 |
| pedro3005 | yeah | 00:57 |
| pedro3005 | we don't take java programmers | 00:57 |
| jledbetter | :'( | 00:57 |
| UndiFineD | alright duanedesign | 00:57 |
| duanedesign | ok | 00:57 |
| * jledbetter takes her blocks and goes home | 00:57 | |
| seidos | i wish i knew java, heh | 00:57 |
| collinp | Knowing your way around bug trackers and release systems is preferred. | 00:57 |
| collinp | That's about all that I can think of. | 00:57 |
| pedro3005 | jledbetter, it's okay. you can still repent your sins. haskell will show you the way to salvation | 00:57 |
| jledbetter | haha Haskell? hahahahaha | 00:58 |
| jledbetter | Yeah bug tracker, versioning (bzr/git), yep yep | 00:58 |
| * pedro3005 grumbles | 00:58 | |
| pedro3005 | enough dev chat? | 00:59 |
| duanedesign | :) | 00:59 |
| collinp | Typical knowledge of development tools is preferred. | 00:59 |
| collinp | Now I'm done. | 00:59 |
| jledbetter | Never! But ok. | 00:59 |
| pedro3005 | we can diverge to -dev if necessary | 00:59 |
| duanedesign | anything else? | 00:59 |
| pedro3005 | uhm... the voting... | 00:59 |
| duanedesign | Are we going to make seidos wait one more month | 00:59 |
| duanedesign | :) | 00:59 |
| seidos | where is confirmation recorded? | 00:59 |
| seidos | a wiki? | 01:00 |
| hakimsheriff | AM I allowed to vote? | 01:00 |
| seidos | i could just go and update it... | 01:00 |
| collinp | seidos: Hm? | 01:00 |
| hakimsheriff | I am not a full memebr yet | 01:00 |
| duanedesign | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/seidos | 01:00 |
| seidos | hakimsheriff: why not? | 01:00 |
| UndiFineD | hakimsheriff: nope | 01:00 |
| MrChrisDruif | Well, then you've got the same luck as me :D | 01:00 |
| MrChrisDruif | hakimsheriff ^ | 01:00 |
| hakimsheriff | Mohi says soon | 01:01 |
| MrChrisDruif | You have the pleasure to see the rest of the members make their votes :P | 01:01 |
| hakimsheriff | Maybe next meeting | 01:01 |
| duanedesign | [VOTE] seidos for member | 01:01 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: seidos for member. | 01:01 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 01:01 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 01:01 |
| seidos | i'll just add myself as a mentor on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Mentors | 01:01 |
| duanedesign | +! | 01:01 |
| * seidos puts on the stone of triumph | 01:01 | |
| duanedesign | +1 | 01:01 |
| MootBot | +1 received from duanedesign. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 01:01 |
| collinp | +1 | 01:01 |
| MootBot | +1 received from collinp. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 01:01 |
| pedro3005 | +1 | 01:01 |
| MootBot | +1 received from pedro3005. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 01:01 |
| UndiFineD | +1 | 01:01 |
| MootBot | +1 received from UndiFineD. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 01:01 |
| phillw | +1 | 01:01 |
| MootBot | +1 received from phillw. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 01:01 |
| * pedro3005 pokes paultag to vote | 01:01 | |
| duanedesign | seidos: going once | 01:01 |
| duanedesign | twice | 01:01 |
| duanedesign | three times | 01:01 |
| seidos | +1 | 01:01 |
| MootBot | +1 received from seidos. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 01:01 |
| duanedesign | sold | 01:02 |
| MrChrisDruif | xD | 01:02 |
| seidos | seis | 01:02 |
| duanedesign | [ENDVOTE] | 01:02 |
| MootBot | Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6 | 01:02 |
| duanedesign | yaa | 01:02 |
| pedro3005 | I feel like a ton has been lifted from my shoulder! | 01:02 |
| * pedro3005 laughs | 01:02 | |
| MrChrisDruif | seidos: Voting on yourself ;) | 01:02 |
| jledbetter | lol | 01:02 |
| seidos | MrChrisDruif: i wanted to exercise my democratic rights | 01:02 |
| duanedesign | lets put the other two on the agenda for the next meeting? | 01:02 |
| seidos | thanks your honors | 01:03 |
| * seidos gives everyone a pen | 01:03 | |
| hajour | o i missed the vote +1 from me for seidos | 01:03 |
| duanedesign | also if anyone wants to help with the post meeting tasks | 01:03 |
| duanedesign | please come to -team | 01:03 |
| paultag | Oh crud | 01:03 |
| paultag | +1 | 01:03 |
| paultag | duh, of course | 01:03 |
| phillw | duanedesign: I'd back Jacky 100%, the work he is doing on speechcontrol is wonderful. | 01:03 |
| pedro3005 | seidos, you're a cool kid now | 01:03 |
| paultag | seidos: +1 for sure | 01:03 |
| hajour | me to duanedesign | 01:04 |
| duanedesign | Keep BeginnersTeam/TeamReports updated. | 01:04 |
| duanedesign | Update Next meeting time on the wiki | 01:04 |
| duanedesign | Send meeting minutes to ubuntu-beginners mailing list\ | 01:04 |
| seidos | paultag: snarky comment | 01:04 |
| paultag | seidos: clever retort | 01:04 |
| duanedesign | thank you everyone | 01:04 |
| seidos | the polls have closed! | 01:04 |
| * seidos cries | 01:04 | |
| duanedesign | grreat meeting! | 01:04 |
| duanedesign | haha grrreat | 01:04 |
| pedro3005 | we laughed, we cried | 01:04 |
| jledbetter | \o/ | 01:04 |
| duanedesign | i am tony the tiger | 01:04 |
| seidos | paultag: if anyone asks, it was 7 votes to 0 | 01:04 |
| duanedesign | #endmeeting | 01:04 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 19:04. | 01:04 |
| pedro3005 | but time is fleeting | 01:04 |
| jledbetter | for reals | 01:04 |
| hakimsheriff | Bye all | 01:04 |
| UndiFineD | thanks everyone | 01:04 |
| pedro3005 | and for complex numbers too | 01:05 |
| * jledbetter slips back to -team | 01:05 | |
| seidos | i am zach the zebra | 01:05 |
| duanedesign | congrats to the new members | 01:05 |
| MrChrisDruif | Yeah, congratz seidos :) | 01:05 |
| UndiFineD | yep congrats hggdh , charlie-tca and seidos | 01:05 |
| seidos | thanks MrChrisDruif | 01:05 |
| hajour | i have a question .we need stil 4 python and 4 C++ programmers we try to get open mary in natty | 01:05 |
| hggdh | UndiFineD: thank you | 01:05 |
| hajour | i talk further in #ubuntu-beginners-team | 01:06 |
| maco | hey beginners team people | 01:06 |
| maco | whats with the C++ class that your wiki page says happens at 15:00 on saturdays and didnt? | 01:07 |
| UndiFineD | dont know maco | 01:08 |
| hajour | collinp, do you now it ? what maco ask | 01:08 |
| collinp | No idea. | 01:08 |
| pedro3005 | we should probably take that off the wiki | 01:09 |
| pedro3005 | maco, DiegoTc was going to teach it, showed up once and never again. at least that's what I saw | 01:09 |
| hajour | collinp, i am become a mentor but seams me better to begin with 1 mentee | 01:09 |
| maco | i see | 01:10 |
| maco | people were in -classroom early saturday asking what timezone the 15:00 meant and so ...cue utc explanation.... and then i scrolled back and saw it didnt happen and then wondered if the wiki was just for a specific week or what | 01:11 |
| seidos | date -R | 01:12 |
| seidos | great command | 01:12 |
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| cjwatson | hi foundations folks | 16:00 |
| ev | hiya | 16:00 |
| barry | hi | 16:01 |
| robbiew | o/ | 16:01 |
| cjwatson | Robbie has a conflict, so asked me to chair | 16:01 |
| cjwatson | (sorry, mumble discussion :-) ) | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | #startmeeting | 16:04 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:04. The chair is cjwatson. | 16:04 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:04 |
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| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Lightning round | 16:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Lightning round | 16:05 |
| * cjwatson looks round | 16:05 | |
| cjwatson | james_w: | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | oops! | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | ok, backwards order in the directory :) | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | jhunt: how's the week been? | 16:05 |
| james_w | hi! | 16:05 |
| jhunt | Out Friday+Monday. Submitted byobu merge proposal for my UTF-8 | 16:05 |
| jhunt | notification utilities and kirkland has now accepted these. Blog post to | 16:05 |
| jhunt | follow with some screenshots when I get a chance. Played a bit with my | 16:05 |
| jhunt | interactive boot idea for Upstart (looking vaguely promising at this | 16:05 |
| jhunt | point :) Documented my thoughts on how we could enhance the testing for | 16:05 |
| jhunt | Upstart. Most of the time spent working on unit + functional tests for | 16:05 |
| jhunt | Upstart visualisation (requiring unit test framework changes and lots of | 16:06 |
| jhunt | macros to make the test code understandable! :-) Have documented tests | 16:06 |
| jhunt | and am currently working through coding. Have now arranged weekly call | 16:06 |
| jhunt | with Keybuk. Today, more Upstart tests and started to review patches for | 16:06 |
| jhunt | lp:#643289. | 16:06 |
| jhunt | EOT | 16:06 |
| james_w | I'm afraid to say I haven't contributed much to foundations this week ;-) | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | james_w: yep, sorry ;-) | 16:06 |
| barry | james_w: please make sure you do better next week :) | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | jhunt: cool. good news on the branch maintenance front by the looks of things too | 16:07 |
| jhunt | indeed - I forgot to bring that up earlier! | 16:08 |
| mvo | barry: just fyi, I run the python-all auto-upgrade test currently (but its a bit on the slow side, my hdd could be faster it seems) | 16:08 |
| barry | mvo: thanks | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | psurbhi1: how about you? (Sorry I haven't got anywhere with your mdadm fixes branch - I asked mvo this afternoon if he could have a look at it) | 16:10 |
| psurbhi1 | cjwatson, np | 16:10 |
| psurbhi1 | * worked on nfs-util bug 709392 on thursday, friday and a little bit of today (out of curiosity) | 16:10 |
| psurbhi1 | * worked on getting mountall in initramfs - printing and debugging - no major success yet. | 16:10 |
| psurbhi1 | (done) | 16:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 709392 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu Lucid) "NFS client does not submit "nfs_file_sync" write requests when the file open call includes O_SYNC." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709392 | 16:10 |
| mvo | psurbhi1: I'm happy to have a look, haven't manged before the meeting unfortunately | 16:10 |
| psurbhi1 | mvo, np at all.. the merges are for lucid and maverick | 16:11 |
| cjwatson | psurbhi1: thanks, give me a shout if you need another set of eyeballs on mountall | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | mvo: ? | 16:12 |
| mvo | apt: upload backport for apt-ftparchive --arch for soyuz, branch merges, debugging, work on lp:~mvo/apt/dpointer; | 16:13 |
| mvo | Auto-upgrade-tester: add simulate profile, cleanup exception, improve overview html; | 16:13 |
| mvo | Btfs natty test install; Gdebi: fix gio branch; Jockey: fix pkgfile parser bug lp:~mvo/jockey/fix-multiple-modules-in-packages-file; | 16:13 |
| mvo | software-center: work with didrocks on onecnf, add tests for the netstatus branch, review/merges branches; Soyuz: test support-timeframe-fix with bigjools; Unattended-upgrades: bug triage, add much improved matching; update-manager: improve details display, upload new version with poprted modalises code; Xserver-xorg-video-intel: backport fix for xserver-xorg-video-intel #707236 | 16:13 |
| psurbhi1 | cjwatson, ok, thanks! | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | mvo: have you done a btrfs test install since yesterday, or was this the previous one? | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | I think it should actually work now | 16:15 |
| psurbhi1 | mvo, cjwatson, is the btrfs test install working? | 16:16 |
| mvo | cjwatson: that was the previous one - cool, I will do one today then | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | psurbhi1: it ran into some grub breakage (actually fairly small but rather fatal) - I fixed that | 16:16 |
| psurbhi1 | cjwatson, ok, thanks! | 16:16 |
| mvo | \o/ | 16:16 |
| psurbhi1 | :) | 16:16 |
| * mvo runs rsync | 16:16 | |
| cjwatson | the installer side was fine except that the subvolumes needed to be made world-readable | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | but I think today's daily build should be all working, assuming it built | 16:17 |
| psurbhi1 | ok, i will have a look at it too | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | doko is on holiday | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | ev: ? | 16:18 |
| ev | Digging at the X handover in oem-config some more with advice from Scott on the correct approach, usb-creator KVM option, console-setup and xkb-data fixes, timezone widget discussions with GNOME, some bug gardening | 16:18 |
| ev | (done) | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | oh, is GNOME interested? | 16:19 |
| ev | indeed, it's largely going upstream | 16:19 |
| * ev digs up the blog post | 16:19 | |
| cjwatson | that's very cool | 16:20 |
| mvo | nice | 16:20 |
| ev | http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2010/07/16/date-and-time-settings/ http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/?h=wip/datetime-panel | 16:20 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2010/07/16/date-and-time-settings/ http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/?h=wip/datetime-panel | 16:20 |
| mvo | hm, are there missing credits in this post ? | 16:21 |
| * cjwatson moves on | 16:23 | |
| cjwatson | my week (short, I was on holiday on Monday): GRUB btrfs installation fixes (#712029); OpenSSH/hardy fix for IPv6-only hosts (#713002); packaged OpenSSH 5.8p1; porting work; obscure octave3.2 failure on lucid and maverick (#546671); misc grub-install | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | er bugs | 16:23 |
| ev | mvo: credited in the source code header, which is all I care about really. | 16:24 |
| mvo | fair enough | 16:24 |
| cdbs | is this the foundation team meeting? | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | cdbs: yes | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | barry: ? | 16:24 |
| barry | bug 686257 (python-keyring); bug 702375 (launchpadlib); bug 712136 (pymca); bug 697792 (fuse); bug 664276 (python-numpy); python-libavg review; platform futures meeting; python27 transition analysis/work; udd docs merge into ubuntu dev guide; still need to work out the whole numpy-matplotlib-wxgtk2.8 dependency tangle; done. | 16:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 686257 in python-keyring (Ubuntu) "upgrade to python-keyring 0.5.1 (and MIR)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686257 | 16:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 702375 in python-launchpadlib (Ubuntu) "Please upgrade to 1.9.5" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702375 | 16:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 712136 in pymca (Ubuntu) "Please merge pymca 4.4.1p1-1 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712136 | 16:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 697792 in fuse (Ubuntu Lucid) "permissions of /etc/fuse.conf are reset on upgrade" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/697792 | 16:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 664276 in python-numpy (Ubuntu Natty) "python-numpy doc related build failure" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/664276 | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | ok, thanks all, I am a slow lightning-guider today | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Alpha-3 bugs | 16:27 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Alpha-3 bugs | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | our beloved release manager is concerned about bug levels :-) | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | I'd like to ask that everyone make a habit of regularly looking at these two URLs and seeing what you can prune out of them | 16:28 |
| cjwatson | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/Agenda#Foundations | 16:28 |
| cjwatson | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone=33573 | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | perhaps we could take a quick run through critical/high in the latter now | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | bug 693671 - anyone have a Windows system and fancy attacking this? | 16:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 693671 in Ubuntu Natty "wubi install will not boot - phase 2 stops with: Try (hd0,0): NTFS5" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693671 | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | bug 605042 - looks like ours, but blocked on kernel team | 16:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 605042 in eglibc (Ubuntu Natty) "[armel] java fails to start with eglibc-2.12-0ubuntu4" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605042 | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | bug 634664 | 16:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 634664 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Updates not downloaded during install when selected and internet is available" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634664 | 16:31 |
| barry | cjwatson: i have w7 in a vm so i can at least take a look | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | bug 683260 - this was one of the top ISO testing bugs last time round | 16:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 683260 in casper (Ubuntu Natty) "persistence doesn't work on liveusb" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683260 | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | barry: great, let me know if you need orientation in the baroqueness of wubi | 16:31 |
| barry | cjwatson: will do :) | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | leaving out gcc bugs since doko isn't here | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | bug 705917 | 16:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 705917 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) "kde frontend keyboard selector broken" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705917 | 16:32 |
| ev | equally available for wubi assistance | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | bug 712662 | 16:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 712662 in bash (Ubuntu Karmic) "network redirection has been enabled" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712662 | 16:32 |
| barry | ev: ack | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | (actually, that last is assigned to doko already) | 16:33 |
| ev | I'll dig at bug 683260 | 16:33 |
| mvo | looks like 671016 is in progress, but we need to find the right words, I will see how I can improve it | 16:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 683260 in casper (Ubuntu Natty) "persistence doesn't work on liveusb" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683260 | 16:33 |
| cjwatson | I'm guessing 705917 is my fault, I'll take a look at that | 16:34 |
| ev | oh thanks. I started to pick at that a bit, but got caught up in the xkb-data/console-setup stuff, so ultimately didn't get far | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | ah, didn't know you were on it. yeah, it's very easy to end up yak-shaving with that stuff | 16:36 |
| cjwatson | ok, that's enough bugs to be getting on with, I think, but it will definitely help if as many people as possible stay on top of those lists | 16:36 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] AOB / Good news | 16:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB / Good news | 16:36 |
| cjwatson | Debian released, in case anyone's been living under a rock ;-) | 16:36 |
| ev | I'm all booked for pycon | 16:37 |
| * barry has to do the same | 16:37 | |
| barry | fwiw, python 3.2 final is getting another rc, so final release pushed back a week | 16:38 |
| cjwatson | ok, all done by the looks of things :0 | 16:41 |
| cjwatson | :) | 16:41 |
| cjwatson | thanks all | 16:41 |
| cjwatson | #endmeeting | 16:41 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:41. | 16:41 |
| barry | thanks cjwatson | 16:41 |
| psurbhi1 | cjwatson, thanks | 16:41 |
| mvo | thanks! | 16:42 |
| ev | thanks | 16:43 |
| jhunt | thx! | 16:44 |
| highvoltage | Howdy! | 18:58 |
| highvoltage | Anyone around for the Edubuntu meeting? | 18:58 |
| doctormo | I'm here | 18:58 |
| mgariepy | i am here too | 18:58 |
| alkisg_web | Hi all | 18:58 |
| hajour | you are beginning now ? | 18:58 |
| highvoltage | yep | 18:59 |
| * stgraber waves and go away for another meeting | 18:59 | |
| hajour | i wanted only to say i am busy to get a school in netherland use edubuntu | 18:59 |
| highvoltage | I'll just quickly spew some updates before we talk to doctormo, he's willing to create a wallpaper for us | 18:59 |
| hajour | primary school | 19:00 |
| highvoltage | hajour: cool, I know of one school (or I think organisation) called Het Hooghuis which also does in the netherlands | 19:00 |
| highvoltage | Last week we release alpha 2, it was kind of nasty because of the amd64 webkit bug, but other than that it went quite well | 19:01 |
| hajour | i have some questions still about it where can i go for to get answers about it | 19:01 |
| highvoltage | and we're mostly on track so far | 19:01 |
| highvoltage | Some of the alpha 2 todo items were pushed out to alpha 3: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Devel/RoadMap | 19:01 |
| hajour | yes i know its a other province city there is oss | 19:01 |
| highvoltage | hajour: #edubuntu | 19:01 |
| hajour | thank you very much highvoltage | 19:02 |
| highvoltage | hajour: or otherwise any of the methods on http://edubuntu.org/community :) | 19:02 |
| highvoltage | (although except for the mailing lists it's usually the same few people active) | 19:02 |
| hajour | thank you sorry for the disturb | 19:02 |
| highvoltage | no you're welcome! | 19:02 |
| hajour | :) | 19:03 |
| highvoltage | we also have our first edubuntu-specific security vulnerability, I can't discuss the details yet publically because the fix is currently being prepared for the archives | 19:03 |
| highvoltage | I'll send more details about that to the edubuntu-devel list within the next 12-48 hours. we might get quite a lot of questions about that so we should be ready | 19:04 |
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| highvoltage | over the last weekend I saw this card on doctormo's blog: http://edubuntu.org/communitydoctormo.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d38yry3 | 19:05 |
| highvoltage | oops, http://doctormo.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d38yry3 | 19:05 |
| highvoltage | I like the style and doctormo indicated that he's willing to put some effort into a wallpaper for us if we can commit to it | 19:06 |
| highvoltage | basically he doesn't want to put a lot of time into it if it's going to be wasted, which is understandable | 19:06 |
| highvoltage | we currently have the artwork team creating some wallpapers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0006_Edubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper | 19:07 |
| highvoltage | current submissions on http://www.flickr.com/groups/uawt-6/ | 19:07 |
| highvoltage | I'm not sure what you guys think, but personally it sounds like a good idea to go with doctormo if he can commit to see it through | 19:08 |
| doctormo | highvoltage: I'm trying to upload an updated version for you. | 19:08 |
| * highvoltage wonders if mhall119 is around | 19:08 | |
| * mhall119 is | 19:08 | |
| highvoltage | mhall119: good, you usually have an opinion about this kind of thing :) | 19:09 |
| mhall119 | I like doctormo's circuit image best | 19:09 |
| highvoltage | I liked that too | 19:09 |
| mhall119 | the elephants image on flickr second best, but elephant != narwhal, and that might be confusing | 19:10 |
| mhall119 | give that past animal wallpapers have matched the release mascot | 19:10 |
| doctormo | What I would like for you both to do mhall119 and highvoltage is put aside your asthetic and think about solid things you want and want to avoid. | 19:10 |
| doctormo | So, no clishays(sp) | 19:10 |
| highvoltage | clichés, yes | 19:10 |
| highvoltage | well, not the old boring ones at least | 19:10 |
| mhall119 | I'd say no words (unless they're for asthetics not reading) | 19:11 |
| doctormo | The artwork team is coming to a consensus on the format of requests that edubuntu should be aware of | 19:11 |
| highvoltage | yeah we mentioned no text on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0006_Edubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper | 19:11 |
| mhall119 | not cartoonish either | 19:11 |
| doctormo | Competitions are no ok for artwork unless they are designed to foster a learning experience between artists. | 19:12 |
| doctormo | All artwork should probably be matched up with artists who your happy to work with and who you trust and who are willing to work with you. | 19:12 |
| mhall119 | can we trust doctormo? | 19:12 |
| highvoltage | I like cartoonish, but that's just me, and also why we need larger input (because I love the cartoonish style of http://doctormo.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d38yry3) | 19:12 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: I have no idea | 19:13 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: he seems sincere :) | 19:13 |
| mhall119 | that hat makes him look shifty | 19:13 |
| highvoltage | it does. | 19:13 |
| mhall119 | I'm not even sure he's really a doctor | 19:13 |
| highvoltage | like doctor evil? | 19:13 |
| doctormo | I'm a witch doctor, next question! ;-) | 19:13 |
| highvoltage | I'm not sure how to approach this | 19:14 |
| * cody-somerville has always enjoyed the abstract realism type artwork Fedora uses for their wallpaper. | 19:15 | |
| highvoltage | if we're going to make a wiki page and spam the list/identica/etc to comment on it we're going to end up with a page with lots of contradictions and something that's not clear enough for doctormo to work from | 19:15 |
| doctormo | highvoltage: Imagine you needed code contributions. | 19:15 |
| highvoltage | costales: *nod* | 19:15 |
| doctormo | Definition, concept and mood. That's all I need. | 19:15 |
| costales | hi highvoltage | 19:15 |
| highvoltage | doctormo: the difference with code and artwork is that code usually has few right ways of doing it. I think there are many ways to have nice wallpapers | 19:16 |
| doctormo | I can make several different non-complete works and you can pick between them and then I'll finish the one you want. | 19:16 |
| * highvoltage makes some notes about what doctormo needs | 19:16 | |
| highvoltage | doctormo: that sounds great | 19:17 |
| highvoltage | doctormo: pretty much the biggest things I can think of is that our panels are very light in colour, so having a wallpaper that's not too light would be great (the low contrast is a problem with the current wallpaper) | 19:18 |
| doctormo | highvoltage: Also check the updated version: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Underwater-Stream-196560265 | 19:18 |
| highvoltage | doctormo: other than ideally having no text, and avoiding the usual clichés that we've seen a million times, I don't think there's really any hard limits, I'd like to give you as much artistic license as possible | 19:19 |
| doctormo | Before the set of 5 concept works, I'll need those three things from you guys. | 19:19 |
| doctormo | As well as the rules. Which seem to consist of: no cartoons, no cliches, no text. | 19:20 |
| highvoltage | ok, we'll get those to you by friday. I'll spam the usual contact means and if people don't respons then they'll have to be happy with what I suggest to you :) | 19:20 |
| * doctormo thinks that if he really had free license, he'd make a 100% black wallpaper and you'd have to use it ;-) | 19:21 | |
| highvoltage | strictly speaking, that *would* fit the current criterea we gave you :) | 19:22 |
| highvoltage | doctormo: ok, so we'll get back to you on friday at with that information. either that or if people aren't happy with giving up on the artwork team I'll let you know | 19:23 |
| highvoltage | the artwork team's work is good and we'll include it on the disc, I'm just not fond of using it for a default | 19:23 |
| highvoltage | oh hi costales :) | 19:24 |
| doctormo | highvoltage: I am doing this as part of the artwork team | 19:25 |
| highvoltage | doctormo: ok, that's really good, do you talk to john baer at all? | 19:25 |
| doctormo | Consider the that there is a little bit of a fork, there is me, thorwil and the canonical people and then there is a seperate prong. | 19:26 |
| highvoltage | ok, that answers my question exactly | 19:26 |
| highvoltage | anything else for the edubuntu meeting? | 19:27 |
| doctormo | that consists of baer who believes in wikipedia style, mass competition style amateur art and the extensive use of flikr. Which can work... | 19:27 |
| highvoltage | yeah | 19:29 |
| highvoltage | well, I guess that's it for this meeting then, we can continue in #edubuntu then :) | 19:30 |
| highvoltage | *GONG* | 19:30 |
| doctormo | thanks highvoltage | 19:30 |
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| poolie | hi | 21:01 |
| poolie | Ubuntu DistributedDevelopment meeting starting now; all welcome | 21:01 |
| poolie | #startmeeting | 21:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 15:01. The chair is poolie. | 21:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 21:01 |
| * slangasek waves | 21:01 | |
| jelmer | me | 21:02 |
| jelmer | hi slangasek | 21:02 |
| poolie | [topic] attendees | 21:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: attendees | 21:02 |
| poolie | hi jelmer, slangasek | 21:02 |
| poolie | barry sent apologies | 21:02 |
| wendar | listening in | 21:02 |
| poolie | james_w, hi? | 21:03 |
| james_w | hi | 21:03 |
| james_w | sorry I'm late :-) | 21:03 |
| poolie | np :) | 21:03 |
| poolie | agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110209#preview | 21:03 |
| jam | hi | 21:03 |
| poolie | [topic] action items | 21:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: action items | 21:03 |
| poolie | * poolie to send bzr rotation pitch to platform mailing list | 21:04 |
| poolie | done! | 21:04 |
| jam | I do believe I saw that \o/ | 21:04 |
| poolie | actually i sent it to canonical-tech | 21:04 |
| poolie | want to try it? | 21:04 |
| poolie | i got one response already, which is good | 21:04 |
| poolie | perhaps i should forward it to ubuntu-platform? | 21:04 |
| james_w | cool | 21:04 |
| jam | poolie: "want to try it"? try what? | 21:04 |
| james_w | I would | 21:04 |
| poolie | working on bzr :) | 21:04 |
| james_w | jam, try a rotation to the bzr team? | 21:04 |
| poolie | ok | 21:04 |
| jam | ah | 21:04 |
| jam | sure, I'll rotate to bzr for 6 months | 21:05 |
| poolie | i wonder if we can send a similar invitation to non-canonical-staff? | 21:05 |
| poolie | just as a thing they might be interested to work on | 21:05 |
| poolie | perhaps a post that gets to the planet is best | 21:05 |
| james_w | yeah, I think that would be best | 21:05 |
| poolie | [action] poolie to forward to ubuntu-platform | 21:05 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: poolie to forward to ubuntu-platform | 21:05 |
| poolie | [action] poolie to advertise udd projects to non-staff contributors | 21:06 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: poolie to advertise udd projects to non-staff contributors | 21:06 |
| james_w | posting with things to do and ways to get started can help | 21:06 |
| poolie | right | 21:06 |
| poolie | * poolie to update hot bugs for next meeting | 21:06 |
| poolie | done | 21:06 |
| poolie | we're now using assignment to <https://bugs.launchpad.net/~canonical-bazaar/+assignedbugs> to track our short list | 21:06 |
| jam | poolie: is that just ~canonical-bazaar, or is there a different list of 'hot' bugs? | 21:06 |
| poolie | i think just that's enough | 21:07 |
| poolie | and that also shows up in https://devpad.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/bzr-kanban.html | 21:07 |
| poolie | which i propose we use to review them in a bit | 21:07 |
| poolie | to review which particular bugs are listed, and whether anything else should be | 21:07 |
| poolie | any comments on this? | 21:07 |
| jelmer | poolie: So we use that to track our hot bugs list, then reassign to a specific person when we actually start hacking? | 21:08 |
| poolie | correct | 21:08 |
| poolie | the kanban shows bugs assigned to the team or its members | 21:08 |
| poolie | it would be nice to show this in lp itself too | 21:09 |
| poolie | (i wonder if there's a bug for that) | 21:09 |
| poolie | ok, moving on | 21:09 |
| james_w | poolie, is that assigned list *the* queue to work from? | 21:09 |
| poolie | yes, it is | 21:09 |
| james_w | ok | 21:10 |
| james_w | so we should prioritise and put the most important in that list, and drop things that aren't that important? | 21:10 |
| poolie | people can also take reactive/opportunistic/itch-scratching bugs of course, but they should be taking a lot of work from there | 21:10 |
| james_w | over time I mean | 21:10 |
| poolie | with the caveat that bugs they've specifically individually taken from that page won't show up | 21:10 |
| poolie | as i mentioned above | 21:10 |
| poolie | correct, we should | 21:10 |
| poolie | i hope during the bug review phase of this meeting we'll do some of that | 21:10 |
| james_w | ok | 21:11 |
| james_w | thanks | 21:11 |
| poolie | every fortnight | 21:11 |
| poolie | * poolie to file bug about MOTD information for out-of-date packages | 21:11 |
| poolie | done | 21:11 |
| poolie | but not assigned? | 21:12 |
| jelmer | there was also a very old bug by spiv, perhaps that should be marked as a dupe? | 21:12 |
| jelmer | bug 121201 | 21:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 121201 in Bazaar "Allow servers to give clients a MOTD" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121201 | 21:12 |
| poolie | it seems like we could use that to implement this | 21:13 |
| poolie | ok | 21:14 |
| poolie | https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/609187 | 21:14 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 609187 in Ubuntu Distributed Development "bzr branch lp:ubuntu/foo should warn when foo is out of date" [High,Triaged] | 21:14 |
| poolie | and it actually is assigned | 21:14 |
| poolie | and barry filed it | 21:14 |
| jelmer | ah, ok | 21:15 |
| jam | poolie: next? | 21:16 |
| poolie | * jam to review spiv's branch for bug 603395 | 21:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 603395 in Bazaar "bzr commit in a heavyweight checkout does not propagate new tags" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603395 | 21:16 |
| jam | I didn't get to it, but poolie did, so still done | 21:16 |
| poolie | i know spiv did some of them | 21:17 |
| poolie | but the bug's still open? | 21:17 |
| poolie | anyhow, spiv seems to be progressing on it | 21:17 |
| poolie | * barry to file bug on debcommit/bzr commit | 21:17 |
| poolie | i think he did | 21:17 |
| jam | poolie: the line-item was about the review, not closing the bug.... | 21:17 |
| poolie | right, it doesn't require review now anyhow | 21:18 |
| poolie | spiv fixed a bunch of related bugs | 21:18 |
| poolie | * barry to file bug on debcommit/bzr commit | 21:18 |
| poolie | blah | 21:18 |
| poolie | * jam to follow up on pristine-tar stuff | 21:18 |
| jam | poolie: I know barry talked about debcommit, I didn't see a bug on it | 21:18 |
| jam | poolie: pristine-tar was updated, many packages fixed, a small handful still failing | 21:18 |
| jam | so done for that level | 21:18 |
| jam | it is no longer the #1 failure in the importer | 21:19 |
| poolie | anything more to do? | 21:19 |
| jam | poolie: we've done what that item was meant to be. I think investigating future failing imports is just regular stuff | 21:19 |
| poolie | ok | 21:20 |
| poolie | [topic] LEP https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BuildFromBranchIntoPrimary | 21:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: LEP https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BuildFromBranchIntoPrimary | 21:20 |
| poolie | we have a lep proposing our major feature here | 21:20 |
| poolie | i have some questions from jml to fill it out a bit more | 21:20 |
| poolie | [action] poolie to integrate jml's feedback into lep | 21:20 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: poolie to integrate jml's feedback into lep | 21:20 |
| poolie | [action] poolie to meet with allison re lep | 21:20 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: poolie to meet with allison re lep | 21:20 |
| poolie | [action] poolie to meet with robbiew re lep | 21:21 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: poolie to meet with robbiew re lep | 21:21 |
| robbiew | huh? | 21:21 |
| poolie | we need to get it triaged for launchpad if we want a feature squad to work on it | 21:21 |
| poolie | :) hi | 21:21 |
| poolie | i have an action to show you https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BuildFromBranchIntoPrimary and see what you say :) | 21:21 |
| robbiew | ah..cool | 21:21 |
| robbiew | sorry to interrupt ;) | 21:21 |
| * robbiew goes back into his cave | 21:22 | |
| poolie | np, consider yourself shown | 21:22 |
| poolie | can we set a time separately to look at it, or could you just mail me feedback? | 21:23 |
| poolie | ("i don't understand what you're talking about" is ok feedback if that's the case) | 21:23 |
| poolie | ok | 21:24 |
| poolie | [topic] Package importer progress | 21:24 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Package importer progress | 21:24 |
| poolie | the big thing here is that we went through the wheezy release, which caused a bunch of disruption | 21:24 |
| poolie | including bug 715000 | 21:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 715000 in Bazaar 2.3 "Stacking is not fully transitive" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/715000 | 21:24 |
| poolie | the fix for which should be deployed today | 21:25 |
| poolie | i think after that we can restart the importer | 21:25 |
| poolie | in fact, probably we could restart it now, but it might give the importer indigestion | 21:25 |
| james_w | is that being rolled out to jubany as well? | 21:25 |
| poolie | the fixed bzr? | 21:25 |
| jam | james_w: aiui jubany doesn't care | 21:26 |
| jam | lp does | 21:26 |
| poolie | it probably should be, but i haven't specifically seen it fail there | 21:26 |
| jam | package_import.py doesn't trigger that code path that was having problems with double stacking | 21:26 |
| james_w | yeah, the fixed bzr | 21:26 |
| poolie | i think it only affects log on a doubly-stacked branch | 21:26 |
| james_w | ok, if you've verified then I'm happy | 21:26 |
| poolie | i think we should just wait for it to be in 2.3.1 or 2.4b1 and then roll that out | 21:26 |
| james_w | it /does/ do some interrogation of branches over hpss though | 21:27 |
| poolie | ok | 21:27 |
| jam | james_w: it affects rev_id => dotted_revno code, but I don't think you hit that in importing. | 21:27 |
| poolie | are we ok to just fix it if it fails? | 21:27 |
| james_w | see get_unimported_revisions or roundabout | 21:27 |
| james_w | if that's how you want to do it then I'm fine with that | 21:27 |
| jam | poolie: I agree, I think if we see package imports failing, it just becomes a high priority to roll out the code on jubany | 21:27 |
| poolie | i'll add a task | 21:28 |
| poolie | i think the wheezy addition has caused a bump in the number of failures | 21:28 |
| poolie | at any rate the graph has gone up | 21:28 |
| poolie | hopefully once this is all done it will be back down | 21:28 |
| poolie | i am pleased by the increasing amount of work on the importer | 21:29 |
| jam | poolie: is there another bug to restack deb branches to sid? | 21:29 |
| jam | which is also a workaround for this ug | 21:29 |
| jam | bug | 21:29 |
| jam | since you don't end up with double-stacking | 21:29 |
| poolie | also under that heading, i made a plan with charlies and mthaddon that we'll move it to pepo and (if possible) give up login access on the 1st of March | 21:29 |
| poolie | i think there is | 21:29 |
| slangasek | wrt the importer... where is that code published? I don't see any links to the code from http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/ or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment | 21:30 |
| jam | slangasek: lp:udd | 21:30 |
| poolie | good question | 21:30 |
| slangasek | ah | 21:30 |
| slangasek | if this could be linked more prominently, perhaps it would help with getting extra-canonical folks involved | 21:30 |
| poolie | excellent point | 21:30 |
| poolie | i'll file abug | 21:30 |
| jam | slangasek: tbh, I doubt it, but I'm happy for it to be more prominently linked | 21:30 |
| slangasek | jam: maybe it is wishful thinking... there've been a few importer bugs that I would've been keen to at least look at, if I'd been able to find the code more readily :) | 21:31 |
| poolie | it's true | 21:31 |
| jam | most of the import code itself is in bzr-builddeb, but sure | 21:31 |
| poolie | we can say that too | 21:32 |
| poolie | bug 716123, marked easy | 21:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 716123 in Ubuntu Distributed Development "web page should tell where to get the source" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716123 | 21:32 |
| poolie | any other comments on the package importer? | 21:32 |
| jam | poolie: I'm poking around trying to get feedback for how people want imports to look, especially wrt quilt imports | 21:33 |
| poolie | true | 21:34 |
| poolie | thanks for doing that | 21:34 |
| poolie | it's looking like they really should be imported to looms | 21:34 |
| jelmer | yeah, I think quilt imports will be important | 21:34 |
| jam | yeah, but that still leaves us with "and what does that actually mean" :) | 21:34 |
| jam | also, that wouldn't strictly block a switchover | 21:34 |
| jam | so i'm not 100% sure what the importance is | 21:34 |
| jam | The discussion has been very useful for me to start understanding what is actually going on, though. | 21:35 |
| james_w | (http://paste.ubuntu.com/565180/ is what the importer does over hpss, so I think it should be fine) | 21:35 |
| jam | james_w: it isn't strictly an hpss thing, any double-stacked branch will fail during log, etc (even purely locally) | 21:35 |
| jelmer | jam: Yeah :) | 21:35 |
| poolie | shall we add an action for next time for you to summarize where we got to? | 21:35 |
| jam | poolie: sure | 21:36 |
| james_w | jam, right, but we talk over hpss to LP, which has some double stacked branches | 21:36 |
| jam | sounds like a good action item | 21:36 |
| poolie | [topic] jam to propose/report plan for quilt imports | 21:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: jam to propose/report plan for quilt imports | 21:36 |
| poolie | incidentally, i'm going to be on leave 2 weeks from today | 21:36 |
| poolie | just for a long weekend | 21:36 |
| james_w | everything else is done locally with no stacking, apart from fetch, which we know is fine | 21:36 |
| slangasek | s/topic/action/? | 21:36 |
| poolie | moving on | 21:36 |
| poolie | you're right | 21:37 |
| poolie | [action] jam to propose/report plan for quilt imports | 21:37 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: jam to propose/report plan for quilt imports | 21:37 |
| poolie | [topic] hot bug review | 21:37 |
| MootBot | New Topic: hot bug review | 21:37 |
| poolie | should that be 'revue'? :) | 21:37 |
| poolie | [url] https://devpad.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/bzr-kanban.html | 21:37 |
| poolie | that's a bit large to read the whole thing | 21:37 |
| slangasek | [link] https://devpad.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/bzr-kanban.html | 21:37 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://devpad.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/bzr-kanban.html | 21:37 |
| poolie | but i think it may be a good way to track whether we're working on the right htings | 21:38 |
| james_w | poolie, I'll start referring to you all as the bzr troupe | 21:38 |
| poolie | so let's focus on things near the top (critical/high) and in the middle (in progress etc) | 21:38 |
| jam | poolie: when did we start getting big red ! ? | 21:38 |
| jam | and what does that actually mean? | 21:39 |
| poolie | today, apparently | 21:39 |
| poolie | jamu must have added it | 21:39 |
| poolie | "in review for more than 3 days" | 21:39 |
| jelmer | jam: it looks like the time the bug has been in progress | 21:39 |
| poolie | or in progress for more than 7 days | 21:39 |
| poolie | i kind of envy landscape if it's a big (!) for something to take more than 7 days | 21:39 |
| poolie | but perhaps we can get there too if we reduce our wip | 21:39 |
| slangasek | what's the process for moving from needs testing -> verified? I was all ready to jump on testing bug #706990, I see someone has already followed up to the bug to say it's fixed | 21:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 706990 in Bazaar Git Plugin "git-import fails on remote repository with AttributeError: 'RemoteGitRepository' object has no attribute '_git'" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706990 | 21:39 |
| poolie | slangasek, there's a key at the bottom | 21:40 |
| slangasek | aha | 21:40 |
| poolie | this has been good to work on with jkakar btw | 21:40 |
| poolie | bug 702024 should be good for making lp rollouts less disruptive | 21:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 702024 in Launchpad itself "Restarting codehosting SSH server drops existing connections" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702024 | 21:41 |
| poolie | so, what should we do here? | 21:41 |
| poolie | are there particular bugs that ought to be on here but aren't? | 21:41 |
| poolie | should we go back to having the meeting review ~10 top bugs? | 21:41 |
| poolie | perhaps we should look at the critical bugs? | 21:42 |
| jam | slangasek: some projects (not bzr) use Fix Committed vs Fix Released, which changes only once there is a full release, not sure that you can release packages, but you could poke the upstreams | 21:42 |
| poolie | i think we have a few too many bugs altogether in-process at the moment | 21:42 |
| poolie | but i think if we pay attention it will go down | 21:42 |
| slangasek | jam: oh, well, I can at least set the tag on the bugs if things prove ok in my own testing :) | 21:43 |
| poolie | of the bugs mentioned in the previous meeting, all of them are assigned or done, except bug 499684 is assigned to barry | 21:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 499684 in bzr-builddeb "Interface to dpkg-buildpackage inconsistent and not well documented" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/499684 | 21:43 |
| poolie | s//assigned to canonical-bazaar | 21:44 |
| poolie | ok, moving on | 21:45 |
| poolie | [topic] any other business? | 21:45 |
| MootBot | New Topic: any other business? | 21:45 |
| jam | poolie: there is a ton of bugs in there on projects that aren't bzr, and thus don't conform to our bug triage standards | 21:45 |
| jam | I'm not sure how kanban should interpret that | 21:45 |
| slangasek | poolie: I can share some happy news if you like | 21:46 |
| jam | note that *everything* in Verified is assigned to jelmer | 21:46 |
| poolie | yes, i think he started doing things that way after i set this up | 21:47 |
| poolie | perhaps to see how it works | 21:47 |
| poolie | i think we can fudge it | 21:47 |
| poolie | slangasek, please do | 21:47 |
| slangasek | I wrote up https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/ComponentReleasesWithBzr last week with some recipes for using UDD branches within Linaro, and am seeing some good uptake by the team | 21:47 |
| slangasek | the bad news is that I think I've found every single bug in bzr-git :-) | 21:47 |
| jelmer | yeah, I'd be happy to see Verified gone.. I was just seeing how things worked | 21:47 |
| slangasek | so there are now some official UDD branches in Launchpad with some very rich git history attached | 21:48 |
| poolie | slangasek, wow, that's great, thanks very much | 21:49 |
| poolie | let's make sure those bugs get escalated and addressed | 21:49 |
| poolie | jelmer, i wonder if it would be good for you to pair on fixing those bugs with say vila | 21:49 |
| poolie | to spread the love around | 21:49 |
| poolie | mm, i don't know -what- time zone you're in though :) | 21:49 |
| jelmer | poolie: the bzr-git bugs? I'd be happy to | 21:49 |
| poolie | maybe you overlap more with jam? | 21:49 |
| jam | poolie: in a month it will be the same :) | 21:50 |
| jelmer | slangasek: are these all related to pushing into git, or fetching as well? | 21:50 |
| slangasek | jelmer: fetching | 21:50 |
| slangasek | jelmer: 706990 is certainly one I ran into; I've also been dancing on the bleeding edge with qemu-linaro, which has submodule references upstream | 21:51 |
| poolie | slangasek, so if they're blocking your work on this, please make sure they're at least High | 21:51 |
| jelmer | slangasek: perhaps we should bump the importance of some bugs | 21:51 |
| poolie | and assigned to someone | 21:51 |
| poolie | (or if you can't actually triage/assign, just comment asking for it) | 21:52 |
| slangasek | nothing blocking currently as I've routed around the damage in the recipes - but I'm happy to highlight the bugs for your consideration | 21:52 |
| poolie | please do | 21:52 |
| poolie | that page is really nice | 21:53 |
| slangasek | who should I feed the list to? (I can't bump bug priorities myself) | 21:53 |
| poolie | you can mail it to ubuntu-distributed-devel or you can comment on the bugs | 21:53 |
| slangasek | ok | 21:53 |
| poolie | whichever is easier | 21:53 |
| poolie | you could forward a link to that page too | 21:54 |
| slangasek | will do | 21:54 |
| poolie | any other feedback from people who've used it? | 21:54 |
| poolie | [action] poolie forward/link to https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/ComponentReleasesWithBzr | 21:55 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: poolie forward/link to https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/ComponentReleasesWithBzr | 21:55 |
| slangasek | I asked John Rigby to file a bug on bzr-git for his experience of "bzr branch ran for a really long time and then crashed", dunno if he's gotten around to it yet :) | 21:55 |
| slangasek | otherwise the feedback has been positive | 21:56 |
| poolie | good | 21:56 |
| poolie | please do get people to file bugs, especially if they can get a traceback and/or -Dhpss trace | 21:56 |
| poolie | we don't fix them all right away but we are fixing a lot of them | 21:56 |
| slangasek | ack | 21:56 |
| poolie | ok, i think that's it | 21:56 |
| poolie | happy hacking, everyone | 21:57 |
| poolie | i'll be on leave from the 23rd and back on the 2nd | 21:57 |
| poolie | #ends | 21:57 |
| poolie | #endmeeting | 21:57 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 15:57. | 21:57 |
| slangasek | thanks, all :) | 21:57 |
| james_w | thanks | 22:00 |
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