| ojwb | java steals code from PHP, or vice versa? | 00:07 |
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| ajmitch | or they both use an underlying library | 00:09 |
| ojwb | wouldn't the java one be in java though? | 00:17 |
| ojwb | i'd imagine it's actually just the same algorithm | 00:18 |
| ojwb | and they've both made a slip implementing it | 00:18 |
| ajmitch | probably the same algorithm, the php one is implemented in C | 00:18 |
| * ojwb wonders what's wrong with strtod() | 00:18 | |
| ajmitch | I imagine that the jvm could have those parts in native code rather than in bytecode | 00:19 |
| ajmitch | well the php issue was in zend_strtod() :) | 00:19 |
| ojwb | hmm, I guess parsing a string to a number might be a byte code op | 00:19 |
| ojwb | the main reason to avoid strtod() is in library code where someone may have changed the locale() settings | 00:20 |
| ojwb | assuming you don't want to follow them | 00:20 |
| ojwb | ah, it's due to excess precision in x87 | 00:30 |
| ojwb | one of my pet hates already | 00:31 |
| snail | does the website in the topic of this channel fail for anyone else? | 01:47 |
| ajmitch | it should just redirect to the wiki, is it no longer? | 01:47 |
| ajmitch | I guess someone in canonical needs to fix up the DNS, they've got the domain | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | ibeardslee might have contact details in his secret leadership kit? | 01:51 |
| ibeardslee | .. I have a secret leadership kit? | 01:52 |
| ajmitch | I figured that you must have :) | 01:52 |
| ajmitch | I think emailing rt@ubuntu.com to put a ticket in might be the best option | 01:52 |
| mwhudson | noris.net ? | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | yes it looks like an isp or similar | 02:09 |
| mwhudson | strange | 02:11 |
| ajmitch | it's certainly not the only loco team domain registered there | 02:20 |
| ibeardslee | morning | 18:06 |
| ajmitch | morning | 18:06 |
| Atamira | mornin | 18:51 |
| Atamira | ooh..netsplits..dont ya just love those | 18:51 |
| snail | morning | 18:55 |
| ibeardslee | Atamira: netsplits > pants split | 18:57 |
| Atamira | lol | 18:57 |
| Atamira | true | 18:57 |
| snail | netsplits have a certain nostalgia value, I find. | 19:03 |
| thumper | morning | 19:50 |
| mwhudson_ | morning | 19:51 |
| mwhudson_ | anyone on vodafone with a nokia handset? | 20:53 |
| * ibeardslee had a 'non-smart' nokia on vodafone before he got his iPhone | 21:12 | |
| * Atamira also has an older version before it was released in nz iphone | 21:17 | |
| mwhudson_ | i took a photo on the phone | 21:28 |
| mwhudson_ | and i've lost the mms settings somewhere | 21:28 |
| mwhudson_ | and the laptop i have here doesn't have bluetooth | 21:28 |
| mwhudson_ | and i don't know where my micro-> full size sd card adapter is | 21:28 |
| * mwhudson_ feels vaguely victimized by technology | 21:29 | |
| ibeardslee | ahhh | 21:30 |
| mwhudson_ | it's not important, just a bit frustrating -- this should be trivial by now surely? | 21:30 |
| mwhudson_ | oh well | 21:31 |
| ibeardslee | what phone model? | 21:31 |
| mwhudson_ | e63 | 21:31 |
| ibeardslee | MMS server address http://pxt.vodafone.net.nz/pxtsend | 21:33 |
| thumper | mwhudson_: well my nexus one that I got at the end of last year is falling foul of the hardware problem of the on button | 21:34 |
| mwhudson_ | thumper: :( | 21:34 |
| mwhudson_ | is it not being repaired under warranty? | 21:34 |
| thumper | it will be, but 15 working days ways to go to auckland | 21:34 |
| ibeardslee | ouch | 21:35 |
| mwhudson_ | speedy1 | 21:35 |
| mwhudson_ | ! | 21:35 |
| thumper | vodafone aren't selling the nexus one any more | 21:35 |
| thumper | a google finds that this is a known problem, and in the US HTC have been replacing handsets | 21:35 |
| thumper | so not sure what is going to happen with this | 21:35 |
| ibeardslee | tell them you'll have a nexus s while you wait for the repair? | 21:35 |
| thumper | I did suggest that they could replace it for a nexus S | 21:36 |
| thumper | but they don't have any at all AFAIK | 21:36 |
| * ibeardslee is not sure of the nexus s | 21:36 | |
| ibeardslee | the galaxy s seems better | 21:36 |
| ibeardslee | the nexus has the flash for the camera, the NFC and the latest android | 21:37 |
| ibeardslee | but has no memory expansion and a shorter (manufacturer spec) battery life | 21:37 |
| ibeardslee | if you consider the manufacturer is the same | 21:38 |
| thumper | really no memory expansion? | 21:39 |
| thumper | I find that surprising | 21:39 |
| ibeardslee | so did I | 21:39 |
| ibeardslee | http://www.t3.com/feature/google-nexus-s-vs-samsung-galaxy-s | 21:43 |
| ibeardslee | the flash would be handy | 21:46 |
| ibeardslee | the NFC isn't used in NZ yet .. although I saw a link to an android app that could start using it for some things .. dunno if it'd fit in NZ | 21:47 |
| ibeardslee | Gingerbread would be a 'nice to have' | 21:47 |
| ibeardslee | but the lack of expansion .. that has me balking at the nexus s | 21:47 |
| ibeardslee | although my iphone has 16GB .. so maybe not so much of an issue | 21:49 |
| ibeardslee | .. sigh | 21:49 |
| ibeardslee | speaking of samsung .. https://www.firstin.co.nz/products/samsung-galaxy-p1000-3g-tablet-4422/ | 21:50 |
| thumper | heh: • Smaller form factor than the iPad making it infinitely more portable | 22:14 |
| thumper | infinitely... | 22:14 |
| hads | ibeardslee: Gingerbread introduces native SIP support, that's the big one. | 22:54 |
| hads | thumper: What is the problem with the Nexus? | 22:55 |
| ojwb | mmm ... gingerbread | 22:55 |
| snail | I love going to $remote_office with coworker only to find that with no techies in the building everything at $home_office blew up while we were on the bus and now nothing works... | 23:15 |
| snail | I'm also appalled by the level of reliability that librarians seem to accept as par for the course | 23:16 |
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