[00:07] <ojwb> java steals code from PHP, or vice versa?
[00:09] <ajmitch> or they both use an underlying library
[00:17] <ojwb> wouldn't the java one be in java though?
[00:18] <ojwb> i'd imagine it's actually just the same algorithm
[00:18] <ojwb> and they've both made a slip implementing it
[00:18] <ajmitch> probably the same algorithm, the php one is implemented in C
[00:18]  * ojwb wonders what's wrong with strtod()
[00:19] <ajmitch> I imagine that the jvm could have those parts in native code rather than in bytecode
[00:19] <ajmitch> well the php issue was in zend_strtod() :)
[00:19] <ojwb> hmm, I guess parsing a string to a number might be a byte code op
[00:20] <ojwb> the main reason to avoid strtod() is in library code where someone may have changed the locale() settings
[00:20] <ojwb> assuming you don't want to follow them
[00:30] <ojwb> ah, it's due to excess precision in x87
[00:31] <ojwb> one of my pet hates already
[01:47] <snail> does the website in the topic of this channel fail for anyone else?
[01:47] <ajmitch> it should just redirect to the wiki, is it no longer?
[01:48] <ajmitch> I guess someone in canonical needs to fix up the DNS, they've got the domain
[01:51] <ajmitch> ibeardslee might have contact details in his secret leadership kit?
[01:52] <ibeardslee> .. I have a secret leadership kit?
[01:52] <ajmitch> I figured that you must have :)
[01:52] <ajmitch> I think emailing rt@ubuntu.com to put a ticket in might be the best option
[02:06] <mwhudson> noris.net ?
[02:09] <ajmitch> yes it looks like an isp or similar
[02:11] <mwhudson> strange
[02:20] <ajmitch> it's certainly not the only loco team domain registered there
[18:06] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:06] <ajmitch> morning
[18:51] <Atamira> mornin
[18:51] <Atamira> ooh..netsplits..dont ya just love those
[18:55] <snail> morning
[18:57] <ibeardslee> Atamira: netsplits > pants split
[18:57] <Atamira> lol
[18:57] <Atamira> true
[19:03] <snail> netsplits have a certain nostalgia value, I find.
[19:50] <thumper> morning
[19:51] <mwhudson_> morning
[20:53] <mwhudson_> anyone on vodafone with a nokia handset?
[21:12]  * ibeardslee had a 'non-smart' nokia on vodafone before he got his iPhone
[21:17]  * Atamira also has an older version before it was released in nz iphone
[21:28] <mwhudson_> i took a photo on the phone
[21:28] <mwhudson_> and i've lost the mms settings somewhere
[21:28] <mwhudson_> and the laptop i have here doesn't have bluetooth
[21:28] <mwhudson_> and i don't know where my micro-> full size sd card adapter is
[21:29]  * mwhudson_ feels vaguely victimized by technology
[21:30] <ibeardslee> ahhh
[21:30] <mwhudson_> it's not important, just a bit frustrating -- this should be trivial by now surely?
[21:31] <mwhudson_> oh well
[21:31] <ibeardslee> what phone model?
[21:31] <mwhudson_> e63
[21:33] <ibeardslee> MMS server address  http://pxt.vodafone.net.nz/pxtsend
[21:34] <thumper> mwhudson_: well my nexus one that I got at the end of last year is falling foul of the hardware problem of the on button
[21:34] <mwhudson_> thumper: :(
[21:34] <mwhudson_> is it not being repaired under warranty?
[21:34] <thumper> it will be, but 15 working days ways to go to auckland
[21:35] <ibeardslee> ouch
[21:35] <mwhudson_> speedy1
[21:35] <mwhudson_> !
[21:35] <thumper> vodafone aren't selling the nexus one any more
[21:35] <thumper> a google finds that this is a known problem, and in the US HTC have been replacing handsets
[21:35] <thumper> so not sure what is going to happen with this
[21:35] <ibeardslee> tell them you'll have a nexus s while you wait for the repair?
[21:36] <thumper> I did suggest that they could replace it for a nexus S
[21:36] <thumper> but they don't have any at all AFAIK
[21:36]  * ibeardslee is not sure of the nexus s
[21:36] <ibeardslee> the galaxy s seems better
[21:37] <ibeardslee> the nexus has the flash for the camera, the NFC and the latest android
[21:37] <ibeardslee> but has no memory expansion and a shorter (manufacturer spec) battery life
[21:38] <ibeardslee> if you consider the manufacturer is the same
[21:39] <thumper> really no memory expansion?
[21:39] <thumper> I find that surprising
[21:39] <ibeardslee> so did I
[21:43] <ibeardslee> http://www.t3.com/feature/google-nexus-s-vs-samsung-galaxy-s
[21:46] <ibeardslee> the flash would be handy
[21:47] <ibeardslee> the NFC isn't used in NZ yet .. although I saw a link to an android app that could start using it for some things .. dunno if it'd fit in NZ
[21:47] <ibeardslee> Gingerbread would be a 'nice to have'
[21:47] <ibeardslee> but the lack of expansion .. that has me balking at the nexus s
[21:49] <ibeardslee> although my iphone has 16GB .. so maybe not so much of an issue
[21:49] <ibeardslee> .. sigh
[21:50] <ibeardslee> speaking of samsung .. https://www.firstin.co.nz/products/samsung-galaxy-p1000-3g-tablet-4422/
[22:14] <thumper> heh: • Smaller form factor than the iPad making it infinitely more portable
[22:14] <thumper> infinitely...
[22:54] <hads> ibeardslee: Gingerbread introduces native SIP support, that's the big one.
[22:55] <hads> thumper: What is the problem with the Nexus?
[22:55] <ojwb> mmm ... gingerbread
[23:15] <snail> I love going to $remote_office with coworker only to find that with no techies in the building everything at $home_office blew up while we were on the bus and now nothing works...
[23:16] <snail> I'm also appalled by the level of reliability that librarians seem to accept as par for the course