[00:07] java steals code from PHP, or vice versa? [00:09] or they both use an underlying library [00:17] wouldn't the java one be in java though? [00:18] i'd imagine it's actually just the same algorithm [00:18] and they've both made a slip implementing it [00:18] probably the same algorithm, the php one is implemented in C [00:18] * ojwb wonders what's wrong with strtod() [00:19] I imagine that the jvm could have those parts in native code rather than in bytecode [00:19] well the php issue was in zend_strtod() :) [00:19] hmm, I guess parsing a string to a number might be a byte code op [00:20] the main reason to avoid strtod() is in library code where someone may have changed the locale() settings [00:20] assuming you don't want to follow them [00:30] ah, it's due to excess precision in x87 [00:31] one of my pet hates already [01:47] does the website in the topic of this channel fail for anyone else? [01:47] it should just redirect to the wiki, is it no longer? [01:48] I guess someone in canonical needs to fix up the DNS, they've got the domain [01:51] ibeardslee might have contact details in his secret leadership kit? [01:52] .. I have a secret leadership kit? [01:52] I figured that you must have :) [01:52] I think emailing rt@ubuntu.com to put a ticket in might be the best option [02:06] noris.net ? [02:09] yes it looks like an isp or similar [02:11] strange [02:20] it's certainly not the only loco team domain registered there [18:06] morning [18:06] morning [18:51] mornin [18:51] ooh..netsplits..dont ya just love those [18:55] morning [18:57] Atamira: netsplits > pants split [18:57] lol [18:57] true [19:03] netsplits have a certain nostalgia value, I find. [19:50] morning [19:51] morning [20:53] anyone on vodafone with a nokia handset? [21:12] * ibeardslee had a 'non-smart' nokia on vodafone before he got his iPhone [21:17] * Atamira also has an older version before it was released in nz iphone [21:28] i took a photo on the phone [21:28] and i've lost the mms settings somewhere [21:28] and the laptop i have here doesn't have bluetooth [21:28] and i don't know where my micro-> full size sd card adapter is [21:29] * mwhudson_ feels vaguely victimized by technology [21:30] ahhh [21:30] it's not important, just a bit frustrating -- this should be trivial by now surely? [21:31] oh well [21:31] what phone model? [21:31] e63 [21:33] MMS server address http://pxt.vodafone.net.nz/pxtsend [21:34] mwhudson_: well my nexus one that I got at the end of last year is falling foul of the hardware problem of the on button [21:34] thumper: :( [21:34] is it not being repaired under warranty? [21:34] it will be, but 15 working days ways to go to auckland [21:35] ouch [21:35] speedy1 [21:35] ! [21:35] vodafone aren't selling the nexus one any more [21:35] a google finds that this is a known problem, and in the US HTC have been replacing handsets [21:35] so not sure what is going to happen with this [21:35] tell them you'll have a nexus s while you wait for the repair? [21:36] I did suggest that they could replace it for a nexus S [21:36] but they don't have any at all AFAIK [21:36] * ibeardslee is not sure of the nexus s [21:36] the galaxy s seems better [21:37] the nexus has the flash for the camera, the NFC and the latest android [21:37] but has no memory expansion and a shorter (manufacturer spec) battery life [21:38] if you consider the manufacturer is the same [21:39] really no memory expansion? [21:39] I find that surprising [21:39] so did I [21:43] http://www.t3.com/feature/google-nexus-s-vs-samsung-galaxy-s [21:46] the flash would be handy [21:47] the NFC isn't used in NZ yet .. although I saw a link to an android app that could start using it for some things .. dunno if it'd fit in NZ [21:47] Gingerbread would be a 'nice to have' [21:47] but the lack of expansion .. that has me balking at the nexus s [21:49] although my iphone has 16GB .. so maybe not so much of an issue [21:49] .. sigh [21:50] speaking of samsung .. https://www.firstin.co.nz/products/samsung-galaxy-p1000-3g-tablet-4422/ [22:14] heh: • Smaller form factor than the iPad making it infinitely more portable [22:14] infinitely... [22:54] ibeardslee: Gingerbread introduces native SIP support, that's the big one. [22:55] thumper: What is the problem with the Nexus? [22:55] mmm ... gingerbread [23:15] I love going to $remote_office with coworker only to find that with no techies in the building everything at $home_office blew up while we were on the bus and now nothing works... [23:16] I'm also appalled by the level of reliability that librarians seem to accept as par for the course