[00:52] <Rallias> how do I tell sendmail to foreward mails over ssl port 587?
[00:58] <twb> Don't use sendmail.
[00:59] <twb> You ought to install postfix (or possibly exim4), or if it's a satellite host, possible msmtp.
[01:03] <Rallias> twb: Sendmail is the only thing that will even accept mail, and I need to foreward mail to my other email account on hotmail.
[01:08] <twb> Are you talking about sendmail-the-MTA or sendmail-the-API?
[01:08] <twb> Because /usr/sbin/sendmail(8) is *not* always sendmail-the-MTA.
[01:09] <Rallias> sendmail the mta
[01:09] <twb> In that case, you're wrong.  Plenty of MTAs accept mail.
[01:10] <Rallias> I'm not wrong. I'm going from something called EXPERIENCE.
[01:10] <twb> Plonk.
[01:10] <pmatulis> heh
[01:10] <Rallias> believe it or not, I'm not as stupid as you may think I am.
[01:11] <twb> Hint: if you ask volunteers for technical support, don't assume you know better than them.
[01:11] <Rallias> I'm not.
[01:11] <Rallias> I'm just saying you are calling me stupid and I don't appreciate that.
[01:12]  * pmatulis re-reads
[01:12] <pmatulis> nope, don't see any stupid in there
[01:15] <Rallias> i'm sorry. I'm having a hard day today.
[01:17] <Rallias> I must not have been clear. Every mta but sendmail is returning undeliverable whenever I try to send a test message.
[01:19] <mike_miller> I'm trying to migrate a stock Ubuntu server instance to my own AMI(now that I've customized it). I'm following http://webkist.wordpress.com/2010/03/16/creating-an-amazon-ec2-ebs-ami-from-a-running-instance/. I get the following errors when booting the AMI: http://pastebin.com/ZvikvYGk.
[01:19] <mike_miller> any ideas?
[01:20] <mike_miller> (this is on Amazon EC2)
[01:21] <Roasted> Has anybody ever set up FreeRadius on Ubuntu? I tried through a gui with Ebox (Zentyal) but it seems to have failed, and I'd like to install it manually or with another gui fi somebody can point me to a good guide to use or a good GUI to use.
[01:21] <twb> mike_miller: AMI?
[01:22] <pmatulis> Rallias: it's a matter of configuration.  postfix can forward to another address
[01:22] <Rallias> pmatulis: Thats not my problem. My problem is that it won't even accept mail in the first place.
[01:22] <mike_miller> amazon machine image. for the purposes of helping me, just think that I rsync'd over '/' to a device, and am hitting errors when booting from the device
[01:22] <twb> Ah, right.
[01:23] <mike_miller> "ALERT!  /dev/disk/by-label/uec-rootfs does not exist.  Dropping to a shell!"is the main error, I think
[01:23] <pmatulis> Rallias: well, then it's an even more basic configuration issue then
[01:23] <twb> Roasted: ebox is the web UI recommended by ubuntu/canonical, but personally I haven't been impressed with it, nor any other web UI.  I suggest doing it from the CLI and seeing how you go.  I haven't used freeradius, but I may be able to help with generic issues related to CLI use.
[01:23] <Rallias> I just copied a working config from a different server with postfix, but it still won't work.
[01:23] <pmatulis> Rallias: maybe pastebin output to 'postconf -n' as well as the full error logs
[01:24] <twb> mike_miller: by-label is the ext2 filesystem label; it might not be correct or udev might not be updating /dev/disk/by-*/ on the fly.
[01:24] <zairo> hi. ubuntu svr 10.10. i am following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html my error msg: caught SIGTERM, shutting down
[01:24] <mike_miller> twb: https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=52633&tstart=-2&messageID=197585 says to run update-grub; I will try that
[01:25] <Rallias> pmatulis: let me dig up an old archive that I have.
[01:25] <twb> mike_miller: you could try passing root=/dev/X where X is something like sda1 or xda
[01:25] <twb> mike_miller: you can also type "ls /dev/disk/by-label" into the rescue shell to see what IS there
[01:25] <mike_miller> I can't see the rescue shell
[01:25] <mike_miller> or
[01:25] <mike_miller> I can see the output
[01:25] <twb> mike_miller: ok
[01:25] <mike_miller> might be able to get in somehow, but not sure
[01:26] <mike_miller> is update-grub likely to solve the issue?
[01:26] <twb> zairo: you're getting that from what command?
[01:26] <twb> mike_miller: possibly, but I doubt it
[01:27] <twb> mike_miller: update-grub tell it to use something other than root=/dev/disk/by-label/uec-rootfs
[01:27] <zairo> tail /var/log/apache2/error.log
[01:27] <mike_miller> twb: so what command should I try to fix the image up?
[01:27] <zairo> twb: i think that i am having issue with certificate and key
[01:28] <twb> zairo: that is not sufficient information.  Try pastebinning the entire error.log
[01:28] <mike_miller> twb: I'm not sure what "I've changed it to /dev/sda1 as described in the Guide:" means. Do you have some insight?
[01:28] <twb> mike_miller: OK, let me describe the boot process.
[01:29] <twb> mike_miller: the BIOS loads the bootloader (grub).  Grub loads the kernel and ramdisk.  They then use the root=/dev/XXX option grub gave them to find the root filesystem, and they mount and enter it.
[01:29] <mike_miller> where is that parameter set?
[01:29] <twb> mike_miller: grub.cfg or menu.lst, in /boot/grub/
[01:30] <mike_miller> everything is root=/dev/sda1
[01:30] <twb> mike_miller: now, EITHER grub is passing the wrong value, OR grub is passing the right value, but something is wrong (e.g. missing drivers) in the kernel/ramdisk
[01:30] <zairo> twb: only this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/564770/
[01:30] <twb> mike_miller: it's hard to diagnose because you can't actually type diagnostic commands into the rescue shell.
[01:31] <mike_miller> let me see if  I can get in
[01:31] <twb> zairo: OK, you need to work out how to make apache emit more information.  It might already be doing so in /var/log/syslog.  I'm not familiar with apache, so wait patiently for someone else.
[01:31] <twb> zairo: you can also try #httpd (the apache httpd channel)
[01:32] <zairo> twb: somehow i think this more related to ubuntu rather than apache hu2
[01:32] <twb> zairo: shrug.  You may be right.
[01:34] <zairo> twb: here's my /etc/apache2/sites-avaiable/abc.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/564771/ i think my cert file and key file is wrong
[01:34] <zairo> step 6-8 in manual is quite confusing to me though https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html
[01:37] <twb> zairo: http://paste.debian.net/106975/ is what I have in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default-ssl, FWIW
[01:39] <zairo> can i use the default?
[01:39] <zairo> i mean default-ssl
[01:39] <twb> I don't see why not.
[01:40] <twb> It may not be best practice, I suppose.
[01:42] <zairo> let me try using default-ssl first and see how the outcome
[01:50] <donvito2> hello why i cant install tspc on my ubuntu
[01:52] <zairo> twb: still the same error msg
[01:53] <zairo> i mean does not match server name
[01:54] <Roasted> Has anybody ever set up FreeRadius on Ubuntu? I tried through a gui with Ebox (Zentyal) but it seems to have failed, and I'd like to install it manually or with another gui fi somebody can point me to a good guide to use or a good GUI to use.
[01:58] <zairo> twb: i'll ask on channel httpd. may be a good suggestion after all. thanks anyway bro.
[03:43] <tf2ftw> i ssh-ed into my server and then lost power on my remote machine. I was in the middle of a dist upgrade. how can i check the progress of the upgrade now that im back on line with the remote?
[03:46] <patdk-lap> did you screen it?
[03:47] <tf2ftw> no
[03:47] <tf2ftw> i was typing commands from my local computer :/
[03:47] <patdk-lap> then most likely it died along with your ssh session
[03:47] <tf2ftw> shit. apt locked too
[03:47] <patdk-lap> well, see if apt is running
[03:48] <patdk-lap> if not, most likely it's just a stale lockfile
[03:48] <tf2ftw> yeah its locked
[03:48] <twb> Grr, why is tcc i386-only in lucid
[03:49] <tf2ftw> patdk-lap, thakns. how would i unlock it?
[03:49] <twb> Ah, upstream didn't grow amd64 support until .25
[03:50]  * twb grudgingly installs gcc on the varnish-flavoured reverse proxy
[04:16] <isleshocky77> When trying to install ubuntu 10.04LTS it fails on installing the grub boot loader. I've done this setup with RAID 1 following the tutorials online. I believe the problem is I was never able to mark the root partition as bootable and I just moved forward anyways. 1, why would it not let me? 2, is there a way to mark it bootable after the fact. 3, can i install grub after without redoing the whole installation?
[04:17] <twb> isleshocky77: are you using LVM?
[04:24] <isleshocky77> no
[04:24] <isleshocky77> twb: I don't believe so
[04:24] <twb> Then I duno
[04:37] <isleshocky77> Any idea why I can't turn the bootable flag on? I hit enter on it says it's doing something and then no change.
[04:38] <cjwatson> the bootable flag doesn't make much difference anyway
[04:38] <cjwatson> grub certainly doesn't care.  it's for legacy OSes
[04:38] <isleshocky77> Oh, I figured that would be the only reason why it was unable to install the grub bootloader.
[04:38] <cjwatson> DOS/Windows still cares about it, I believe
[04:39] <cjwatson> what were the error messages?
[04:39] <cjwatson> I wouldn't recommend guessing
[04:40] <isleshocky77> cjwatson: Hold on I'm in rescue mode trying to install the bootloader again.
[04:41] <isleshocky77> cjwatson: It seems to want me to partition the drive again in order to install the bootloader and is now giving me a warning up deleting things during the install. Does this sound right?
[04:42] <cjwatson> I would prefer to work from the exact messages
[04:42] <isleshocky77> cjwatson: Sorry. Is there any place I can find the error logs from the bootloader failing initially?
[04:43] <cjwatson> don't know, it depends what package management tool you were using, but the most recent messages are most likely to be easily debuggable
[04:43] <cjwatson> can you show me the output from what you're doing right now?
[04:44] <isleshocky77> cjwatson: Currently it says "The file system on /dev/md1 assigned to / has not been marked for formatting. Directories containing system files (/etc, /lib, /usr,  /var, ..) that already exist under any defined mountpoint will be deleted during the install. Do you want to return to the partitioner?"
[04:44] <cjwatson> uh
[04:44] <cjwatson> that's not rescue mode
[04:45] <cjwatson> that's an attempt to do a fresh install
[04:45] <isleshocky77> I already installed the entire system up to the bootloader. It failed installing the bootloader so I hit continue without. I then loaded the cd back up and hit rescue mode.  Then it had an option for install bootloader. Hit that and it brought me back to the partitioner.
[04:45] <isleshocky77> Yeah, that's what it sounded like to me as well.
[04:45] <cjwatson> I don't think you actually selected rescue mode properly
[04:45] <isleshocky77> If I go to rescue mode I can bring up a root shell in /dev/md1
[04:45] <cjwatson> because rescue mode completely disables the partitionere
[04:45] <cjwatson> *partitioner
[04:46] <isleshocky77> ok, so I have "Enter rescue mode ... Device to use as root file system"
[04:46] <cjwatson> pick whatever you used as your /
[04:46] <isleshocky77> /dev/md0 is supposed to be my swap with /dev/md1 as my root. So I hit /dev/md1
[04:47] <isleshocky77> So I now have a root prompt in /dev/md1
[04:47] <isleshocky77> How can I get grub installed correctly and booting up /dev/md1 ?
[04:47] <cjwatson> what are the device names for the drives that make up /dev/md1?
[04:48] <isleshocky77> /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2
[04:48] <cjwatson> (one thing though, if it crashed during the install, installing the boot loader isn't actually quite the last step in the installation, so your installation will have a few things a bit wrong)
[04:48] <cjwatson> grub-install /dev/sda
[04:48] <cjwatson> then if that works:
[04:48] <cjwatson> grub-install /dev/sdb
[04:49] <cjwatson> (oh, if you continued without installing a boot loader, that will have covered the last few steps in the installation, so disregard my last parenthesised comment ...)
[04:50] <isleshocky77> cjwatson: /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This GTP partition has no BIOS Boot Partition embedding won't be possible!. /usr/bin/grub-setup: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required when the root device is on a RAID array or LVM volume.
[04:51] <isleshocky77> *GPT not GTP
[04:53] <isleshocky77> cjwatson: Think it might have something to do with this:
[04:53] <isleshocky77> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-base/+bug/506670
[04:59] <cjwatson> OK, so you'd better go and create one of those
[04:59] <cjwatson> http://grub.enbug.org/BIOS_Boot_Partition
[04:59] <cjwatson> has instructions on creating it
[05:02]  * cjwatson -> bed
[05:05] <cjwatson> I agree 506670 is a problem though
[05:05] <DiagonalArg> Anybody up for a udev question?  I'm trying to figure out why this won't change my disk permissions: KERNEL=="md*", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTR{size}=="146483072", GROUP="vboxusers".
[05:11] <isleshocky77> cjwatson: Thank you very much for trying to help me and listening. Think I got it.
[07:01] <amin_> hi I need a ssh program which let me connect to server  and go through with my command even if I closed it and give my back the rest of process left when I log in again
[07:01] <ecelis> amin_: use screen from your ssh session
[07:02] <amin_> Does it do it?
[07:06] <twb> Yes.
[07:06] <twb> Or you could use nohup, dtach, or tmux.
[07:07] <twb> Screen is the most popular, though.
[07:07] <twb> e.g. ssh example.net nohup wget www/fred &
[07:07] <twb> Er, ssh example.net "nohup wget www/fred &"
[07:08] <twb> That will connect to example.net and run wget in the background, and it nohup will prevent wget aborting for lack of output terminal
[07:10] <amin_> ecelis: is there any program like screen
[07:10] <ecelis> tmux
[07:10] <ecelis> why not use screen?
[07:10] <ecelis> twb: gave you some other good options too
[07:11] <twb> I should also mention byobu, which is a user-friendly wrapper around screen.
[07:11] <twb> If you are new to screen, it is probably a good idea to use it
[07:14] <SpamapS> I just heard about tmux for the first time recently
[07:14] <SpamapS> they were talking about adding it to NetBSD since screen is GPL or something
[07:24] <lifeless> SpamapS: hey
[07:24] <lifeless> SpamapS: what was that bug you filed, api bug search being slow always
[07:27] <twb> SpamapS: right; tmux uses a "please exploit me" license
[07:48] <SpamapS> lifeless: long time ago, I think I accidentally said "give me all bugs"
[07:49] <SpamapS> lifeless: I may not have been the original reporter.. its not in my +reportedbugs
[07:49] <lifeless> SpamapS: :(
[07:50] <lifeless> do you stil have the script that reproduces it?
[07:50] <SpamapS> lifeless: possibly. standby, I'm expanding my search a bit more
[07:54] <SpamapS> lifeless: https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/bugs ... I recall it was taking > 20s
[07:54] <SpamapS> lifeless: takes 7.50s now
[07:54] <lifeless> mmm, I thought it was more specific than that
[07:54] <lifeless> anyhow, if its better, cool.
[07:56] <SpamapS> lifeless: believe it or not.. I'm grepping my irc logs ;)
[07:57]  * lifeless believes it
[08:01] <SpamapS> hah..
[08:01] <SpamapS> lifeless: this is the first thing I ever discussed in #launchpad-dev
[08:02] <lifeless> :)
[08:03] <SpamapS> lifeless: I was wrong, it was one that has gotten even better
[08:03] <SpamapS> 11:15 < SpamapS> https://api.launchpad.net/beta/bugs/?assignee=clint-fewbar
[08:03] <SpamapS> 11:15 < SpamapS> 11 seconds. :(
[08:03] <lifeless> btw, /beta/ - bad
[08:04] <lifeless>  /1.0/ or /devel/
[08:05] <lifeless> SpamapS: its still 11 seconds
[08:05] <SpamapS> yep
[08:05] <lifeless> SpamapS: and you didn't file a bug for it ?
[08:05] <SpamapS> I can't find one in my reported bugs
[08:05] <SpamapS> maybe the irclogs will tell the tale
[08:07] <SpamapS> lifeless: apparently the main result of the conversation was that you filed/"tickled" bugs that would give you better oops reports on API calls
[08:08] <lifeless> oh yes
[08:08] <lifeless> we have that now
[08:08] <lifeless> though ++oops++ doesn't work
[08:09] <lifeless> we get a header if a query genuinely oopses
[08:11] <lifeless> I don't think we do that for soft oopses
[09:04] <JenniferB2> Hi folks.. we have ubuntu server on a separate machine.. ssh using a login the specied login and password.. create a user for myself.. added to sudoers and gave a password... su myusername and enter password... all fine.. but my command line starts with a dollar $ and doesn't behave the same as the username I was given.. why not ? how can I fix this ?
[09:05] <SpamapS> JenniferB2: su to a user name does not give you the env of the user completely.
[09:06] <SpamapS> JenniferB2: try 'su - username'
[09:06] <JenniferB2> No directory, logging in with HOME=/
[09:06] <JenniferB2> $
[09:07] <SpamapS> JenniferB2: ahh, how did you create the new user?
[09:09] <JenniferB2> sudo adduser
[09:09] <JenniferB2> not right ?
[09:10] <SpamapS> that should be ok
[09:10] <SpamapS> JenniferB2: somehow your user didn't get assigned a home dir
[09:11] <JenniferB2> yeah.. it appears so
[09:12] <JenniferB2> noithing under home
[09:12] <JenniferB2> why not ? :(
[09:12] <JenniferB2> try again ?
[09:12] <SpamapS> yeah I suppose
[09:12] <DigitalFlux> Hi Guys
[09:12] <DigitalFlux> I'm writing an init script for an app that i have
[09:12] <DigitalFlux> Should i go with upstart method on Ubuntu 10.04 ?
[09:12] <DigitalFlux> The docs at upstart.ubuntu.com mentions some stuff that looks like it didn't land on 10.04 ..
[09:13] <DigitalFlux> I have upstart 0.6.5-7
[09:13] <SpamapS> my brain is a little bit fried so not really able to think right now. ;)
[09:13] <SpamapS> DigitalFlux: upstart has changed very little since 0.6.5-7
[09:13] <JenniferB2> SpamapS: sudo -s ; sudo adduser jen ; sudo adduser jen admin ; sudo passwd jen ?
[09:13] <twb> SpamapS: like in that silence-of-the-lambs sequel
[09:13] <DigitalFlux> SpamapS: Hmm, i see i have no initctl command
[09:13] <DigitalFlux> no /etc/inittab ..
[09:14] <SpamapS> twb: nolittle brain, fried ;)
[09:14] <SpamapS> err
[09:14] <twb> DigitalFlux: that's old stuff
[09:14] <SpamapS> twb: take 2.. action.. "no that was a little brain, fried"
[09:14] <twb> DigitalFlux: what are you trying to do?
[09:14] <DigitalFlux> twb: Well, first of all, where can i write the events ?
[09:15] <twb> DigitalFlux: here's a simple upstartization example: http://paste.debian.net/107012/
[09:15] <twb> DigitalFlux: in 10.04 they're in /etc/init/
[09:15] <DigitalFlux> Aha ! those are commands not config file directives ..
[09:15] <JenniferB2> SpamapS: now it works.. I logged in as sudo -s ... earlier I did sudo adduser
[09:15] <JenniferB2> from the non-root account
[09:16] <DigitalFlux> Actually they are config file parameters but they should go under /etc/init too :)
[09:16] <DigitalFlux> I thought that /etc/init files contains just the actions
[09:16] <DigitalFlux> and the events should be written somewhere else
[09:18] <DigitalFlux> So that initctl command is kinda deprecated ?
[09:19] <SpamapS> DigitalFlux: no its not at all
[09:34] <DigitalFlux> SpamapS: well, i can't find it with 0.6.5-7 with Ubuntu 10.04
[09:34] <DigitalFlux> SpamapS: should i install an additional package or something ?
[09:34] <SpamapS> DigitalFlux: what can't you find?
[09:42] <DigitalFlux> SpamapS: the initctl command
[09:43] <DigitalFlux> OK it is there :)
[09:43] <SpamapS> DigitalFlux: if you don't have /sbin/initctl .. your system is broken
[09:43]  * DigitalFlux dump me 
[09:45] <twb> SpamapS: ah, sorry, I was thinking that was a binary that upstart didn't provide
[09:48] <SpamapS> pretty important to the boot
[09:48] <twb> Well, its aliases like "start" are
[09:49] <SpamapS> initctl is too.. used to init some of the events
[09:49] <SpamapS> anyway, I'm much to sleepy to think about this
[09:49]  * SpamapS passes out
[09:50] <twb> Yeah, because there's no event -> initctl symlink
[11:07] <Daviey> oh joy.
[12:56] <atretes> Is there any eucalyptus experience here?
[12:58] <atretes> I'm currently setting up a cloud base on 10.04 and I've downloaded a repackaged image from ubuntu uec but when I launch it into the cloud and attempt to ssh into it I get 'No route to host'?
[13:00] <rkhshm1> hi all
[13:00] <rkhshm1> I'm trying to build libaxis for eucalyptus and i get tihs error http://pastie.org/1544704
[13:01] <rkhshm1> i would be grateful if anyone can give me some leads...
[13:04] <rkhshm1> anyone here guys ?
[13:11] <knxville> Do you recommend using a custom font for a banner or simple make a banner picture with the font in it?
[13:11] <knxville> cause I have trouble using the custom font in my .css file.. Is there a way to see what "name" the server have registrered it under
[13:25] <qman__> knxville, the server doesn't care what fonts you use, only the client rendering the web page
[13:26] <qman__> as such, only fonts which the client has installed will work for that client
[13:27] <qman__> if you want to use a font that you don't expect people visiting your web page to already have, you should make an image instead
[13:27] <knxville> Alright! :)
[13:28] <pmatulis> rkhshm1 + atretes: try #ubuntu-cloud
[14:01] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[14:03] <JamesPage> RoAkSoAx: morning
[14:04] <zul> hey RoAkSoAx
[14:05] <RoAkSoAx> how's it going today guys?
[14:06] <pmatulis> fine
[14:07] <JamesPage> RoAkSoAx: good thanks - any you?
[14:09] <RoAkSoAx> JamesPage: with a flu... but good ;) thanks!
[14:09] <JamesPage> nice :-)
[14:20] <Roasted> anybody ever play with freeradius, or zentyal?
[14:22] <atretes> pmatulis: thanks will try it
[14:34] <Err404NotFound> i have a server with nfs mount in fstab, how do i assure that even if there are any issue in mounting it, server still boots up
[14:35] <patdk-wk> with I knew
[14:36] <patdk-wk> using the _netdev option is suppost to do that
[14:36] <patdk-wk> but I can't get it to work, for me atleast
[14:36] <Err404NotFound> hmmm
[14:45] <Roasted> am I fighting a losing battle trying to set up freeradius?
[14:46] <Roasted> I feel like I've been on every google and linux site that exists as well as a series of linux/server based chats, all without anybody saying oh yeah I know how to do this.
[14:57] <alvin> Err404NotFound: subscribe to bug 275451, bug 504224 and bug 384347
[14:57] <alvin> Oh, he's gone already.
[14:59] <Err404NotFound> If i am looking to have domain.com, www.domain.com, and www3.domain.com to be on https, i need a UCC SSL, right/
[15:00] <alvin> Err404NotFound: For your previous question: subscribe to bug 275451, bug 504224 and bug 384347
[15:01] <Err404NotFound> alvin: i used noauto in fstab, and used rc.local to mount the nfs volume
[15:02] <alvin> Is that how far Ubuntu has come? Using rc.local to mount volumes... (I don't blame you though)
[15:09] <JamesPage> hggdh: we need to talk minimal server install size for natty
[15:09] <hggdh> JamesPage: let's do it
[15:10] <JamesPage> OK so the test case say 'less than 500MB'
[15:11] <Roasted> radius
[15:11] <Roasted> anybody
[15:11] <hggdh> JamesPage: yes. I found it -- on manual install -- to be 529 M
[15:12] <JamesPage> hggdh: so todays amd64 ISO minimal install was 602MB - was the 529MB a i386 or amd64 install
[15:13] <JamesPage> todays i386 was 577MB for reference
[15:14] <RoAkSoAx> win 9
[15:14] <RoAkSoAx> arggh
[15:14] <hggdh> JamesPage: weird. an i386 was around 519, amd64 529
[15:14] <JamesPage> so a few questions then;
[15:14] <JamesPage> a) are we installing the right kernel - its passing in the tests so I would assume so
[15:15] <hggdh> agreed
[15:15] <JamesPage> b) that makes the testing overlay huge! Maybe the python libraries we are using are doing something odd.
[15:16] <hggdh> it might be. A way of findinf out our direct overhead is to manually install the minimal, measure, and then install our packages and measure again
[15:16] <hggdh> then run the tests and measure again
[15:19] <hggdh> JamesPage: and now we save the d-i syslog, one more M in the pot
[15:21] <JamesPage> The overlay installs the following packages; openssh-server python-couchdb subunit python-subunit python-junitxml
[15:22] <JamesPage> hggdh: have you got a handy minimal install kicking around?
[15:22] <Roasted> Has anybody used a GUI called "dialupadmin" for use with FreeRadius? If so, please inquire.
[15:22] <JenniferB2> Hi folks.. I am trying to ssh to a server and have the username and password already filled in as part of the url... what is the syntax and command ? >> ssh jen:mypassword@192.168.2.1 ... I thought that was it.. but I am being logged in as user jen:mypassword and asked for a password
[15:23] <hggdh> JamesPage: no, not now (had to reinstall)
[15:24] <JamesPage> OK - I'll install one now....
[15:24]  * patdk-wk notes ssh != wget, ssh doesn't use url's
[15:24] <patdk-wk> ssh jen@192.168.2.1
[15:24] <patdk-wk> type in password
[15:25] <hggdh> JamesPage: and right now I am running some SRU tests on Hardy under KVM, so my laptop is, ah, busy
[15:26] <JamesPage> hggdh: whats killing your performance at the moment? bonnie++?
[15:27] <cjwatson> JamesPage: do you have the d-i syslog from that minimal install?
[15:27] <hggdh> cjwatson: they are all saved now :-)
[15:27] <cjwatson> hggdh: URL?
[15:27] <JamesPage> cjwatson - yep - finding one now
[15:28] <JamesPage> cjwatson: http://hudson.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/job/natty-server-i386_minimal-virtual/ws/66/test-results/d-i-syslog.log/*view*/
[15:29] <JamesPage> JenniferB2: if you are trying to avoid having to interact i.e. type in a password to login to the server I would suggest you setup key based authentication.
[15:29] <hggdh> heh JamesPage was faster by a *lot*
[15:29] <hggdh> cjwatson: full logs for this run: http://204.236.234.12/job/natty-server-i386_minimal-virtual/66/artifact/66/test-results/
[15:31] <JamesPage> hggdh: must fix that annoying bug where all workspaces contain all every test result - its no longer required....
[15:31] <hggdh> JamesPage: yes... I found it the hard way, when my /var went backrupt
[15:32] <JamesPage> JenniferB2: take a look at the SSH Keys section of the server guide - https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html
[15:32] <JamesPage> hggdh: oops - its on my todo list just have not had time.....
[15:33] <cjwatson> your testing overlay certainly pulls in a non-trivial amount of cruft
[15:34] <hggdh> cjwatson: yes. But even on a manual install it was 19/29M over
[15:34] <cjwatson> yeah, there's definitely unnecessary stuff here
[15:34] <hggdh> i.e., no hudson overhead
[15:34] <cjwatson> I'm sure you can live without language-selector-common, say
[15:34] <cjwatson> or indeed language-pack-en
[15:35] <Roasted> Has anybody used a GUI called "dialupadmin" for use with FreeRadius? If so, please inquire.
[15:36] <hggdh> cjwatson, JamesPage: for reference, this is bug 712145
[15:36] <cjwatson> yeah
[15:36] <cjwatson> I'll have a poke at the preseeding after meetings
[15:38] <patdk-wk> heh, upx :)
[15:43] <ChrisBuchholz> Hello. How would i change the ssh port 22 to port 443 on my 10.04.1 server?
[15:45] <compdoc> 443 is an https port, no?
[15:45] <RoyK> ChrisBuchholz: see ListenAddress in sshd_config (5)
[15:45] <ChrisBuchholz> and are there any security vulnabilities involved in doing this? I need this because a few of the places where i use wifi frequently only have port 80 and 443 open, so i cannot ssh to it to create an ssh tunnel there
[15:45] <RoyK> compdoc: normally used for https, yes
[15:46] <ChrisBuchholz> compdoc: yes, but read ^^
[15:46] <RoyK> ChrisBuchholz: should work
[15:46] <ChrisBuchholz> RoyK: i will check it out
[15:46] <RoyK> ChrisBuchholz: you can start one manually too, sshd -p 443
[15:47] <ChrisBuchholz> RoyK: but wouldnt i need to let openssh on the server accept ssh requests on port 443, no?
[15:47] <RoyK> ChrisBuchholz: sshd is the ssh server, so yes :P
[15:48] <ChrisBuchholz> RoyK: oh, i just read `ssh -p 443`;)
[15:50]  * RoyK hands ChrisBuchholz his glasses :P
[15:50] <ChrisBuchholz> RoyK: would there be any vulnabilities involved? Do i need to remove 443 as a https port or something?
[15:51] <RoyK> different processes can't listen to the same port
[15:51] <ChrisBuchholz> and what will i sacrifise by doing this?
[15:51] <RoyK> but no, it shouldn't be any security problems with it
[15:51] <RoyK> gotta go - bbl
[15:51] <ChrisBuchholz> bye
[15:55] <ChrisBuchholz> okay, now it works on port 443.
[15:55] <compdoc> its not likely that anyone would try to connect to 443 with an ssh client - should be safe
[15:56] <ChrisBuchholz> compdoc: sounds great. I checked today that 443 is open, so i hoped im not mistaken
[15:56] <compdoc> you dont run apache?
[15:56] <compdoc> httpd?
[15:57] <ChrisBuchholz> now i just need to get irssi to use my SOCKS-proxy, which uses the ssh-tunnel, and i should be able to use irssi in school
[15:57] <ChrisBuchholz> compdoc: yeah, i run apache
[15:57] <compdoc> good luck - gtg
[15:57] <ChrisBuchholz> stupid university-it-administrators
[15:57] <ChrisBuchholz> okay, bye
[16:09] <EtienneG> kirkland, as you saw, we're getting busy with likewise
[16:09] <EtienneG> we'll beat the thing into shape, promised
[16:14] <kirkland> EtienneG: nice ;-)
[16:16] <ChrisBuchholz> I just noticed, that now i have added the "ListenAdresse 0.0.0.0:443" to my sshd_config, and i now can ssh'e on port 443, ssh on port 22 doesnt work, even though sshd_config still have "port 22"
[16:16] <ChrisBuchholz> Isnt it possible to have both applied?
[16:17] <shauno> I believe you should be able to have two Port lines, but without the :443 on ListenAddress
[16:17] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: uploaded powernap 2.3 last night
[16:23] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah saw it!! thanks ;)
[16:28] <zul> EtienneG: good because the person who tested is gone ;)
[16:30] <EtienneG> zul, who was that?
[16:30] <zul> EtienneG: ttx afaik
[16:31] <ttx> ... and it was a bit painful ;)
[16:31] <ttx> that said, last time I looked, it was owned by Likewise and proxied by the Desktop team
[16:31] <EtienneG> ttx, I've got a minion doing it
[16:33] <zul> EtienneG: huzzah for minions
[16:33] <EtienneG> talking about minion, here he is
[16:34] <ehw> hey now
[16:34] <EtienneG> kirkland, ttx, zul, be nice to ehw, I have the poor guy install Windows and stuff
[16:34] <zul> muhahahhahahhahaa
[16:34] <highvoltage> where do you get these... minions? I want ones too :(
[16:34] <ehw> 7 years win-free and now I'm elbow deep in ads :(
[16:35] <EtienneG> highvoltage, that's the thing: I don't get them, they come to me!
[16:35] <EtienneG> highvoltage, btw, just curious, are you in Sherbrooke these days?
[16:35] <ehw> (or get volunteered by their managers)
[16:36] <highvoltage> EtienneG: yep, I am indeed!
[16:36] <ttx> Ah I remember that. Did it once, saved it in a VM
[16:36] <EtienneG> highvoltage, cool!  Welcome, my new compatriot!
[16:36] <zul> heh i amost went to school in sherbrooke
[16:36] <ttx> so that I didn't have to set up ADS ever again
[16:37] <EtienneG> it's a nice city
[16:37] <highvoltage> EtienneG: :)
[16:37]  * highvoltage -> Lunch
[16:37] <EtienneG> same here, off for lunch
[16:39] <JamesPage> hggdh: my minimal amd64 virtual install is only 466MB!
[16:40] <hggdh> JamesPage: now I am confused
[16:41] <hggdh> JamesPage: I will repeat it
[16:47] <JamesPage> hggdh: I did the F4/Minimal virtual install option on the first boot menu - that was right?
[16:47] <ChrisBuchholz> shauno: can you further describe how to do it?
[16:47] <JamesPage> hggdh: overlay looks to be +44MB installed
[16:47] <hggdh> JamesPage: yes
[16:47] <hggdh> I will repeat now
[16:51] <ChrisBuchholz> shauno: okay, it seemed i could just ditch the ListenAddresse and just specify two Ports
[16:52] <DaBeast> How can i see on how much ghz the server is running?
[16:52] <JamesPage> hggdh: it could be that the autotest preseed does not disable kernel headers - 96MB installed - which would get us to about the right ballpark
[16:53] <JamesPage> hggdh: whereas the preseed on the ISO does disable installation of headers....
[16:53] <hggdh> JamesPage: hah!
[16:53] <hggdh> so it is a fluke...
[16:53] <JamesPage> hggdh: may just need a preseed template change then!
[16:53] <hggdh> aye
[17:03] <RoAkSoAx> win 2
[17:03] <RoAkSoAx> arg
[17:04] <Roasted> freeradius. anybody.
[17:13] <cjwatson> JamesPage: where do the autotest preseeds live?
[17:13] <cjwatson> JamesPage: I would like to be able to modify them when I change CD preseeds, if possible
[17:13] <cjwatson> JamesPage: I think we should remove language-selector-common and language-pack-en from the minimalvm profile as well - do you agree?
[17:15] <JamesPage> cjwatson: the preseeds are templated in the ubuntu-server-iso-testing project
[17:15] <JamesPage> cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-iso-testing-dev/ubuntu-server-iso-testing/trunk
[17:15] <JamesPage> cjwatson: however at the moment any preseed change needs a re-package of the project; this is not great.
[17:16] <cjwatson> as in an upload to natty?
[17:16] <JamesPage> cjwatson: I have it on my TODO list to put the test metadata including the preseed templates into a separate branch so make this easier to manage
[17:16] <JamesPage> cjwatson: no - its PPA managed at the moment
[17:18] <JamesPage> cjwatson: not sure about removing  language-selector-common and language-pack-en from minimalvm profile; are they completely superfluous in a minimal install?
[17:20] <cjwatson> I think so
[17:20] <cjwatson> language-selector-common is so that you can determine which language-support packages to install, and they're mostly desktop
[17:21] <cjwatson> actually, given the current preseeding, it's a bug that it's installed
[17:21] <cjwatson> I suppose language-pack-en is fairly harmless to keep, and might be slightly useful in cases where C isn't the same as en_US
[17:21] <patdk-wk> my servers installed via 10.04 minimal have 4 language packs installed, nothing depends on them
[17:21] <cjwatson> it's under a megabyte anyway
[17:22]  * patdk-wk wonders why language-pack-gnome-en(-base) is installed
[17:22] <cjwatson> I'm more worried about l-s-common pulling in half the lower desktop stack
[17:22] <cjwatson> patdk-wk: didn't seem to be in the natty log JamesPage provided
[17:22] <patdk-wk> ya, this is a 10.04 install :)
[17:22] <cjwatson> so I assume that's been fixed
[17:22] <patdk-wk> just seening what I'm currently on my servers :)
[17:22] <JamesPage> OK suggest we remove language-selector-common but keep language-pack-en
[17:22] <JamesPage> (as its so small anyway)
[17:23] <cjwatson> do you know the fix you need for headers?
[17:23] <patdk-wk> hmm, on 10.04 it's hard of ubuntu-standard? changed in natty?
[17:23] <JamesPage> yep - just picked it from the preseed on the iso image itself.
[17:23] <cjwatson> no, language-pack-gnome-en has never been part of ubuntu-standard
[17:23] <patdk-wk> no, language-select-common
[17:24] <cjwatson> oh, yes, that used to be in standard
[17:24] <cjwatson> JamesPage: lp:~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu data/natty/preseed/ might be generally more convenint
[17:24] <cjwatson> *convenient
[17:25] <JamesPage> thanks for the pointer.
[17:28] <NoiseEee> im on ubuntu server 10.04, i've set a static IP via "/etc/network/interfaces" properly, and its been great.  then without word, reboot nor warning, I was just given a DHCP address.  I've since done a " /etc/init.d/networking restart" and I'm back with my specific IP, but any idea how that happened??
[17:30] <RoyK> NoiseEee: if for some reason the dhcp client is started (manually), it'll ask for an IP and override whatever's set
[17:31] <RoyK> but there is no way ubuntu will start that unless you tell it to do so
[17:33] <NoiseEee> yeah i would figure as much :\
[17:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: still around?
[17:46] <JamesPage> hggdh: I can pickup the preseed template update tomorrow if you like
[17:46] <cjwatson> JamesPage,hggdh: pkgsel uploaded, should get rid of language-selector-common
[17:47] <hggdh> JamesPage: if you do not mind, thank you, I am in the middle os the kernel SRU tests, and figuring out all the multiple issues on them :-(
[17:47] <hggdh> cjwatson: thank you very much, sir
[17:47] <JamesPage> hggdh: will do first thing
[17:47] <hggdh> JamesPage: IOU, dear sir
[17:48] <JamesPage> cjwatson: thankyou!
[18:00] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yo
[18:01] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: is this what you were thinking of? http://me.roaksoax.com/Screenshot.png
[18:03] <Roasted> FREERADIUSSSSSSSSSSS
[18:04] <RoAkSoAx> Roasted: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=151781
[18:04] <RoAkSoAx> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=151782
[18:04] <Roasted> been there
[18:04] <Roasted> and there
[18:04] <Roasted> weeeeeeeeeeee
[18:19] <NightDragon> quick question -- is there software out there similar to deviantart's propriatary stuff that would allow image hosting/tagging/etc?
[18:20] <Roasted> If I wanted to just launch OpenLDAP on Ubuntu, how would I do it? In synaptic I see ldap-utils but not openldap in particular. Curious if that's it or not
[18:27] <EtienneG> Roasted, look for slapd instead
[18:27] <EtienneG> not obvious, I know
[18:32] <Roasted> why do you sya that EtienneG
[18:32] <soupdegrace> Hello! I'm trying to build php 5.3.5 from source but I'm having some problems...
[18:33] <EtienneG> Roasted, if you want the OpenLDAP *server*, look for slapd in synaptic.
[18:33] <EtienneG> that's the name of the package
[18:34] <Roasted> oh! I gotcha. I thought slapd was an atlernative to openldap. My bad.
[18:40] <Roasted> EtienneG, I'm not seeing it in 10.04. Is it only in 10.10 repos or something?
[18:42] <EtienneG> Roasted, it's there, look carefully!
[18:43] <EtienneG> "slapd" is the package name
[18:46] <zul> so yeah....mysqlclient fun
[18:46] <bcessa> hi there, any one knows about some docs or stuff to get nginx + php-fpm working with PHP 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.7 on a 10.04 server, I keep getting some bad gateway errors
[18:46] <SpamapS> zul: I'm just wondering if this has happened to any other libraries.
[18:46] <zul> SpamapS: it probably has
[18:47] <SpamapS> bcessa: as I understand it, the fpm that was included in 5.3.3 and earlier was fairly buggy
[18:47] <SpamapS> zul: so making the soname libmysqlclient.so.16.1.0 would at least allow us to move forward w/o recompiling the whole world..
[18:48] <zul> SpamapS: possibly we will have to test it again
[18:48] <bcessa> oh, and any ideas on how to make it work properly? this apparently random bad gateway erros are really getting old quickly :/
[18:49] <zul> SpamapS: but this is starting to give me the hebbie jebbies
[18:50] <SpamapS> bcessa: You could try backporting the 5.3.4 package from natty, or try compiling the upstream fpm.
[18:50] <SpamapS> zul: I think we need to give mysql a chance to respond more formally.
[18:50] <SpamapS> That may also have been a poorly informed bug triager.
[18:50] <zul> SpamapS: agreed
[18:50] <bcessa> ok, looking into it, thnx
[18:50] <zul> can you open up a bug agabout it
[18:51] <SpamapS> zul: yeah I wanted to wait a few business hours to see if there was a response before doing so
[18:51] <SpamapS> zul: mostly because that one is very highly rated on google searches for the error string
[18:51] <zul> SpamapS: maybe talk to jpugh about it
[18:51] <SpamapS> hehe.. yeah.. Oracle is going to say "see! just let us manage every ubuntu user's mysql.. we know better" ..
[18:52] <SpamapS> and we're going to *laugh* *hard* and *loudly*
[18:53] <zul> SpamapS: i mean he might have a contact that might be able to do something about it
[18:55] <SpamapS> true
[18:58] <RoyK> bcessa_: apt-get source the package, download the original source, copy the debian/ directory into the original source, dpkg-buildpackage
[18:58] <RoyK> bcessa_: apt-get source the package, download the original source, copy the debian/ directory from the ubuntu source into the original source, dpkg-buildpackage
[19:00] <bcessa_> RoyK amm let me give it a try
[19:00] <SpamapS> zul: I thought we had 5.3.4 merged into natty already
[19:01] <SpamapS> RoyK: thats going to get ugly actually.. there are a ton of patches in debian/patches
[19:01] <zul> nope 5.3.3
[19:01] <SpamapS> that have been applied upstream
[19:02] <RoyK> SpamapS: for that particular package?
[19:02] <RoyK> SpamapS: anyway - if building a package, it's easy to roll back
[19:02] <RoyK> far easier than if installing from source
[19:02] <SpamapS> RoyK: php5 ... yes.. php5 is a cherry picking machine
[19:03] <RoyK> bcessa_: are you having problems with the current install?
[19:03] <RoyK> if no, don't upgrade
[19:03] <SpamapS> the fpm we shipped in lucid is really broken..
[19:03] <SpamapS> RoyK: you may want to scroll back. He's having lots of issues w/ fpm.. most are known I'm sure.
[19:04] <Roasted> EtienneG, hey you still out there?
[19:04] <RoyK> SpamapS: wouldn't it be a good idea to fix it, then? an LTS release should, at least in theory, be somewhat stable.....
[19:05] <zul> SpamapS: im thinking now punting it into universe
[19:15] <SpamapS> RoyK: right, the fix has been at least discussed to backport the entire FPM module from 5.3.4 into the lucid php5 package...
[19:17] <soupdegrace> crapfuck
[19:18] <Pici> soupdegrace: Please mind your language here.
[19:19] <soupdegrace> But.. but.. my Ubuntu Server just a launched a swarm of nanobots against me.
[19:19] <soupdegrace> They look serious too
[19:21] <soupdegrace> *Argh* they are ... turning ... my anatomy into .. grey goo
[19:23] <soupdegrace> I'm melting over here! Just because I tried to build php5.3.5 from sources
[19:24] <soupdegrace> Yes, my defence implants are starting to counter attack...
[19:24] <soupdegrace> Whee - take that anti matter grenade, Ubuntu Server!
[19:25] <SpamapS> zul: yeah, given http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=59106 too .. to universe it goes
[19:25] <soupdegrace> Phew, that was a close one
[19:25] <soupdegrace> Need to replace the server tho
[19:26] <SpamapS> soupdegrace: Maybe also replace some of your meds?
[19:26] <NoiseEee> hi folks, if i'm planning on making a folder on my Ubuntu Server system available to Windows, is it just "apt-get install samba" or is there something in addition i need?
[19:26] <soupdegrace> My medichines? Not my precious medichines!
[19:27] <SpamapS> NoiseEee: you'll need to share the folder .. if its permanent you'll probably want to add it to /etc/samba/smb.conf
[19:27] <NoiseEee> SpamapS: gotcha.  but still, "samba" is the only package i need to install to get this up and running?
[19:28] <soupdegrace> whatEVAH
[19:29] <SpamapS> NoiseEee: if you just use basic user auth yes it should be pretty simple.
[19:29] <NoiseEee> thanks SpamapS
[19:52] <Roasted> has anybody tinkered with openldap on ubuntu?
[19:55] <SpamapS> Roasted: its a popular use case.. covered well in the server guide
[19:55] <SpamapS> !server guide
[19:55] <SpamapS> !serverguide
[19:58] <_Techie_> does anybody here have experience with linksys wireless N products, routers or modems?
[20:01] <Roasted> SpamapS, do you know if there's a way in openldap to suck up the contents of an MS Ldap user base?
[20:02] <_ruben> i'll add ldap to my todo list again once support is there to store public keys in it and have sshd use em
[20:03] <_ruben> native support that is, don't feel like doing my own patching
[20:04] <SpamapS> _ruben: thats what kerberos is for
[20:05] <mfraz74> I've only been running Ubuntu server for a little over a month now, but how do I know when after doing an update that the server needs rebooting?
[20:08] <_ruben> SpamapS: you mean like SSO and stuff like that? i'm not fond of tieing my linux boxen into the corporate AD
[20:08] <RoyK> mfraz74: it'll tell you during login
[20:09] <mfraz74> RoyK: That's what I thought, but I've done kernel updates and not had a notification
[20:09] <_ruben> SpamapS: and won't work for "outside" access
[20:09] <RoyK> SpamapS: kerberos is the old three-headed dog that guards the entrance to Hades
[20:10] <RoyK> mfraz74: log out, and then in, if the intro screen doesn't show "recommended reboot", don't worry
[20:11] <SpamapS> _ruben: kerberos works fine w/o AD. The outside access problem of kerberos is indeed one that requires some thought.. IIRC there are ways to make it work w/o exposing your KDC's to the net and w/o requiring extra auth layers.. but I forget them at the moment.
[20:13] <_ruben> i guess the "standard" option would be to use a nfs share for /home which would hold your keys .. but i'm no fan of nfs (for this purpose) either .. yes, i'm picky ;)
[20:24] <NoiseEee> hi folks, don't know if i should take this to #samba, but for the life of me, I cannot get samba to recognize the workgroup name i've given in smb.conf
[20:25] <NoiseEee> i'm always showing up in Windows under "WORKGROUP" which was the default... even after restarting smbd over and over
[20:25] <NoiseEee> [global]   workgroup = NEWTHING
[20:25] <Roasted> has anybody set up openldap before? I'm wondering how long the SASL/EXTERNAL authentication process takes. IT's been running for quite a while.....
[20:26] <RoyK> NoiseEee: windows will cache that for a while
[20:26] <RoyK> iirc ipconfig /registerdns will reset it
[20:26] <NoiseEee> RoyK: It's even showing up that way when I'm browsing the "Windows Network" from another Ubuntu desktop box
[20:27] <markatto> I was installing cacti, and I accidentally selected "apache" instead of "apache2" in the automagic setup scripts
[20:27] <markatto> I have tried a remove/purge and reinstall, but every time it tries to install it for apache 1.x
[20:27] <RoyK> NoiseEee: sorry, no idea
[20:28] <lenios> markatto, try removing apache and installing apache2
[20:29] <markatto> lenios: apache2 is installed
[20:29] <markatto> i will check if it tried to install apache
[20:30] <markatto> lenios: thank you, that seemed to do the trick!
[20:31] <lenios> :)
[20:31]  * markatto grubles about too much "magic" in his packages
[20:32] <SpamapS> zul: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=60061
[20:33] <SpamapS> zul: a response to that bug (or both of the linked bugs) is required before we go anywhere with libmysqlclient from 5.5
[20:34] <zul> SpamapS: cool i just subscribed to it
[20:38] <pmatulis> is it possible to have a server request a dhcp lease upon cable connection like netwok-manager does on the desktop?
[20:40] <pmatulis> dbus script perhaps?
[20:47] <lenios> if there's no cable, isn't interface down?
[20:47] <pmatulis> lenios: i suppose
[20:48] <lenios> you must be able to force dhcient on ifup then
[20:51] <_ruben> doesn't dhclient do that by itself already ?
[20:54] <lenios> actually, i think it does
[20:55] <zul> mathiaz: hey
[20:55] <mathiaz> zul: hello!
[21:19] <robbiew> RoAkSoAx: well done on the indicator
[21:19] <RoAkSoAx> robbiew: hehe thanks!
[21:25] <clayd> I think i am missing something.  I have set up a apache server with php on ubuntu 10.04.  i have also installed postfix as i am under the impression i need that in order for php to send mail.  for some reason i still can not.  any thoughts on were to look for something the check?  sorry for being so open ended.
[21:29] <mrmist> Check to see if you can send email outside of php. That should at least narrow it down to which component.
[21:30] <clayd> i will give it a try
[21:30] <_Techie_> Doesn't php use sendmail to send over postfix
[21:31] <clayd> i think sendmail is installed when you install postfix
[21:31] <clayd> i think
[21:31] <_Techie_> Quite possibly,  but it never hurt to install it just incase
[21:34] <mrmist> postfix is a sendmail replacement, it fudges the sendmail exe for compatibility
[21:34] <clayd> i think my issue is in my postfix configuration
[21:37] <mrmist> /var/log/mail.* might give you some clues as to what is wrong
[21:38] <clayd> warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[21:41] <intel352> hey guys, can anyone suggest a good solution to ensure that a mount bind exists on reboot for chrooted environments (virtual hosting)? the chroots are created via a shell script, so it would be best to avoid having to add entries to fstab (or similar)
[21:42] <mrmist> clayd: anything relevant on this page? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=666018
[21:44] <metric> hello
[21:45] <metric> can anyone help me get CVSD working?
[21:46] <lirakis> metric, have you heard of git?
[21:46] <lirakis> serious question.. not trying to be a jerk
[21:47] <metric> lirakis, yes, I have also heard of svn :P
[21:47] <metric> problem is I have a repo with like 50 projects totally roughly 20K lines of code
[21:47] <lirakis> ok
[21:48] <metric> and I need to move it from my windows server 2003 to ubuntu server and thought I installed everything correctly but when I do a "netstat -tap" its not listeneing
[21:49] <lirakis> i havent set up a cvs server... ever  ... and an svn one in ages .. so im sorry i cant help
[21:49] <lirakis> metric, do logs show anything?
[21:49] <lirakis> errors, config issues etc.
[21:50] <metric> which logs should I check?
[21:50] <lirakis> whew...  ...
[21:50] <lirakis> /var/log/ .... messages .... cvsd    ?
[21:50] <metric> I've never used linux for anything difficult :P
[21:51] <metric> give me a sec
[21:53] <metric> lirakis, I got a couple errors, but nothing related to CVS
[21:55] <metric> hmm I just tried to do a local checkout and it says no CVSROOT is specified
[21:57] <metric> lirakis, i have to go, I'm gonna try again, thanks for the help so far
[21:58] <lirakis> whew ... dodged that bullet
[22:01] <AtomicSpark> Has anyone used/seen/heard of FOSS software that can interact with HP's Lights Out management or that can poll some of the health things on the server? Like check to see if any hardware has failed, etc.
[22:02] <clayd> just wondering does a lamp server need postfix or sendmail in order to send mail?
[22:02] <AtomicSpark> Yes.
[22:02] <AtomicSpark> LAMP only includes apache, mysql, and fastcgi (php)
[22:03] <AtomicSpark> (and their proper respective package names)
[22:03] <clayd> thanks.
[22:03] <stgraber> AtomicSpark: I don't know of any FOSS one, though the one shipped on the CD by HP usually works fine and can quite easily be integrated with nagios or similar monitoring system
[22:04] <AtomicSpark> stgraber: I was thinking of adding an "icon" to byobu or something simular.
[22:04] <AtomicSpark> I should have checked if the cd came with a linux binary or some such.
[22:04] <mrmist> clayd: you can use either.
[22:05] <clayd> what is that?
[22:05] <clayd> wait... sorry
[22:05] <clayd> my brain is slowly crapping out on me.
[22:05] <AtomicSpark> I set up a mail server awhile back, never got it to work (gmail requires ssl) and I don't remember the steps I had taken. Oh well.
[22:05] <stgraber> AtomicSpark: the cd usually comes with a debian repository on it and at least two useful tools, hpacucli and hp-health
[22:05] <stgraber> hp-health is used for monitoring and is probably what you want to play with
[22:06] <stgraber> hpacucli is to configure/monitor raid controller (smart array)
[22:07] <clayd> yay.
[22:08] <AtomicSpark> stgraber: Thank you. I'll look into that.
[22:08] <clayd> mrmist:  that article you sent me to a bit ago helped.  sendmail and post fix were both running
[22:08] <clayd> once i stopped sendmail everything is working
[22:08] <mrmist> clayd: *nod* good.
[22:09] <clayd> same back.  thanks a ton
[22:55] <hallyn> is it me, or does the dovecot postinst file dealing sith postfix look whack?
[22:55] <hallyn> it wants to only tweak postfi settings of POSTFIX_BCK doesn't exist.  But before checking -e $POSTFIX_BCK, it does mv $POSTFIX_BCK $POSTFIX_BCK-`date`, essentially
[23:08] <hallyn> zul: in a 'debian/*.postinst' file, what is '$2' usually?  (where i can find that documented?)
[23:08] <ZacLnxNewb> RoyK:  You on?
[23:09] <ZacLnxNewb> I have a question, say I wanted to hook up speakers to my server and be able to play sound across the house, using my netbook as a remote.  What could I use?
[23:15] <hallyn> PLUS ssh-agent keeps dying on me silently, once a day or so
[23:15] <hallyn> hm
[23:19] <SpamapS> damn.. launchpad ro...
[23:20] <ZacLnxNewb> hi
[23:20] <SpamapS> hallyn: debian policy defines what $1 and $2 are
[23:20] <SpamapS> hallyn: I believe $2 is the old version or new version depending on $1
[23:20] <ZacLnxNewb> SpamapS:  Hi. Do you think you could give me an answer? :p
[23:20] <SpamapS> hallyn: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html
[23:21] <SpamapS> ZacLnxNewb: good question. :)
[23:21] <SpamapS> kirkland: don't you use a web app to manage your MP3 collection on a server? Does it have the ability to play the music server side?
[23:22] <kirkland> SpamapS: yup, 'sudo apt-get install musica'
[23:22] <hallyn> SpamapS: kewl, thanks
[23:22] <SpamapS> ZacLnxNewb: ^^
[23:22] <kirkland> SpamapS: oh, wait ... "server side"
[23:22] <kirkland> SpamapS: what do you mean?
[23:22] <ZacLnxNewb> kirkland: play the music at the server's side
[23:22] <SpamapS> Its a cool idea
[23:22] <kirkland> ZacLnxNewb: ah, no, not yet
[23:22] <SpamapS> and makes sense really
[23:22] <kirkland> ZacLnxNewb: i'm working on that part
[23:22] <kirkland> ZacLnxNewb: i have some ajax hackery that should get that going one day
[23:22] <kirkland> ZacLnxNewb: when i implement it, it will go into musica
[23:23] <ZacLnxNewb> kirkland:  D: but we don't have any working examples yet?
[23:24] <kirkland> ZacLnxNewb: not yet
[23:24] <ZacLnxNewb> kirkland:  So you're building musica?  I look forward to it working.
[23:24] <kirkland> ZacLnxNewb: i wrote musica in 1998 and continue to maintain it ;-)
[23:25] <SpamapS> ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused
[23:25] <SpamapS> :(
[23:26] <ZacLnxNewb> SpamapS:  3:
[23:30] <ZacLnxNewb> kirkland: isn't there a lot of trouble with sound card support?
[23:30] <kirkland> ZacLnxNewb: nope
[23:31] <kirkland> SpamapS: Launchpad is undergoing maintenance and is in read-only mode. You cannot make any changes. You can find more information on the Launchpad system status page.
[23:31] <SpamapS> kirkland: thanks. ;) I just want to bzr pull. :(
[23:32] <kirkland> SpamapS: i think you have to use the bzr+ssh:// url
[23:32] <kirkland> SpamapS: or the http url
[23:32] <SpamapS> Or play sim city for an hour while they finish.. :p
[23:33] <ZacLnxNewb> SpamapS:  Sim city 2000
[23:33] <ZacLnxNewb> Good sir. >:3{=]
[23:34] <SpamapS> ZacLnxNewb: #!#$^^==@#!..||op
[23:34] <ZacLnxNewb> SpamapS:  What's that mean?
[23:34] <SpamapS> When you can decipher it, you are ready for the knowledge it imparts.