[00:51] anyone using squeeze + dovecot? === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [01:03] Well, there are some sieve issues, but commenting out managesieve parts 'fixed' that. === emma is now known as em === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [07:20] hello guys i need help [07:21] i have problem with tor i cant connect to tor i have this mesg " connecting to a relay directory " ??? so whats the problem ?? [07:21] even i use bridges cz in my university they use smart filter proxy , [07:23] guys i need help !! [07:36] Morning === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller === cps` is now known as cps [08:02] morning peeps :) [08:02] * daubers makes some coffee [08:04] * cps loves how he can't install packages using synaptic yet he can do so in the terminal [08:15] Mornin [08:16] hey smittix [08:37] Good morning all [08:39] Goood morning! [08:53] \o [08:53] o/ [08:53] de-tiling kitchen wall == noise [08:57] \o/ [08:58] oops, didn't mean the '\' [08:58] o/ [09:00] daubers: *\o/* [09:00] uhr [09:00] danfish: [09:00] danfish: or even *\o/* [09:02] :) [09:02] MartijnVdS: Is that a cheerleader? [09:02] morning everyone. [09:05] smittix: 'tis [09:06] \o^ <--- teapot :) [09:07] hello [09:07] danfish: debian \o/ [09:08] MartijnVdS: vg :) [09:09] * AlanBell installs debian in a VM [09:10] * TheOpenSourcerer updates eclipse on one machine and installs it on another. [09:11] going to install eclipse in this debian VM [09:11] * MartijnVdS hands AlanBell some extra CPU power [09:11] * AlanBell stares at a black window with nothing much happening in it [09:11] exactly [09:12] lol [09:13] hmm, bit of virtual CD activity for a minute, then nothing [09:13] could they not have done a splash screen or anything! [09:13] There is a splash screen [09:13] it normally comes up for about a week [09:13] seeing nothing in virtualbox [09:14] hmmm. It might be just taking a while... though it's had two minutes already [09:14] just use netbeans [09:14] or vim [09:14] :) [09:14] * AlanBell taps fingers [09:14] * AlanBell looks at an ubuntu iso [09:14] I very much liked netbeans for its "fix my file hierarchy" function [09:14] Aloha [09:15] I think my upstream adventure may be coming to an end [09:15] Have you tried running it in a terminal to see what's spat to stdout? [09:15] running virtualbox in a terminal? [09:15] hello czajkowski [09:16] I don't think there would be any output from inside the VM [09:16] no, eclipse in a terminal in the vm [09:16] I can't get debian installer to start [09:16] I'm assuming you've a Debian VM up, and are waiting for eclipse to start inside it? [09:16] Ohhhhhhhh! [09:16] I thought it was eclipse that was broken [09:16] no, I am failing at the first hurdle [09:17] I need eclipse in a VM today, just thought I would use the shiny new debian 6 iso to create it [09:17] Shiny new Debian 6? [09:17] Debian stable doesn't come in 'shiny' or 'new' :) [09:17] so I see [09:17] or working [09:18] BigRedS, I think Debian 6 is shiny and new :3 [09:18] that's the main reason why I switched to it this morning [09:18] another reason is because my hdd needed reformatting [09:22] cps, it's new, but I use it precisely because it's not shiny [09:25] * AlanBell installs ubuntu 10.10 in a vm [09:27] AlanBell: you run lucid? [09:27] (I mean normally) [09:27] maverick [09:28] just I want to kind of have a VM per customer for dev work [09:28] hehe [09:28] good idea ;) [09:29] then I can move them to different machines, have different servers running on them, break my host operating system by doing silly things to it etc. [09:29] so why didn't debian 6 boot? [09:30] didn't even see grub happening [09:30] * BigRedS downloads a debian 6 iso [09:30] * cps has all 8 DVD ISOs [09:30] Probly the "free" kernel. Maybe it needs some non-free firmware for the VM manager? [09:30] well, all 8 DVDs for that matter :p [09:31] * cps installs kdenlive [09:31] virtuabox boots a heap of other operating systems unmodified [09:31] Including OSX (although that does need modifying briefly). [09:32] There's a non-free install CD isn't there? [09:32] or do you need to do acrobatics to use external media? [09:33] http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=37704 [09:34] http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=55568 [09:35] looks like it might be broken [09:35] Morning all! [09:36] morning popey :) [09:36] ▗ [09:36] ▛▚▀▖▞▀▖▙▀▖▛▀▖▄ ▛▀▖▞▀▌ ▛▀▖▞▀▖▛▀▖▞▀▖▌ ▌ [09:36] ▌▐ ▌▌ ▌▌ ▌ ▌▐ ▌ ▌▚▄▌ ▙▄▘▌ ▌▙▄▘▛▀ ▚▄▌ [09:36] ▘▝ ▘▝▀ ▘ ▘ ▘▀▘▘ ▘▗▄▘ ▌ ▝▀ ▌ ▝▀▘▗▄▘ [09:36] bad czajkowski [09:36] bad [09:36] hahaha [09:36] and my streak of randomly picking up bits of hardware and them working with ubuntu flawlessly continues, this week, some silly usb audio jack thing that is designed for a mac, woo [09:36] *grin* [09:36] * cps hi5's soneill [09:37] * DJones takes glasses off & squints heavily to make sense of that [09:37] Hmm - Just got "invited" to let our son go on the school ski trip next Jan. £840 smackeroos! [09:37] DJones, oh dear [09:37] Hah. Looks like debian has exactly the opposite of the problem Ubuntu does [09:37] i don't use a monospace font for irc, its all gibberish to me ;) [09:37] monospace fonts ftw [09:37] gibberish ftw [09:38] Where any given prerelease Ubuntu has been incredibly thoroughly tested in VBox but almost nowhere else, and apparently nobody thought to try Debian in a VM [09:38] gord: You'll have to leave -offtopic & defocus, that'll reduce the gibberish :) [09:38] BigRedS: debian on hardware, ubuntu in vm :) [09:38] TheOpenSourcerer: nice invite! [09:38] it's what they're for [09:38] MartijnVdS: yeah, I think that's the way round most people do it [09:39] pre-release ubuntu gets tested on a *lot* of hardware [09:39] believe me, i see the bug reports [09:39] Yeah, probably. Just from the MLs it appeared that 90% of the 'testers' were doing it in VBox on top of a stable install on the metal [09:39] the -user ML not testers [09:40] so, yeah, not at all representative. I was being a bit facetious :) [09:40] gord: Are you aware of a bug on natty with grub where the list of operating systems/kernels is corrupted & almost unreadable? [09:40] om [09:40] 09:22 < chupacabra> that message told me nothing i didn't know [09:40] Where did that come from [09:40] DJones: you use that list? :) [09:40] DJones, nope, doesn't happen here either [09:41] gord: Hmmh, I'll have to have a look later, I did an upgrade at the weekend & the grub menu is virtually unreadable [09:41] MartijnVdS: Not really, it just appears because the machine has an XP install going back donkeys years [09:42] well ubuntu is installed and started, debian hasn't booted yet [09:43] morning :) [09:43] hey screen-x [09:43] :) [09:43] \o cps [09:45] gord: Sounds like the grub problem could be this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/701111 might try & diagnose/fix tonight if I get chance [09:45] Ubuntu bug 701111 in grub2 (Ubuntu Natty) "corrupted and flashing grub screen on T400" [High,Triaged] [09:48] hello bigcalm :) [09:48] Morning peeps :) === screen-x` is now known as screen-x [09:57] Goeie dag, mense! [09:57] how can I tell what arch my ubuntu is? i.e. 386 or 64bit [09:58] uname -a I believe [09:58] brb [10:00] yep. eclipse wasn't booting on my lappy as it running i686 not x86_64. Doh. [10:00] morning all [10:00] * TheOpenSourcerer downloads helois again. [10:00] s.helois/helios [10:02] Morning TheOpenSourcerer, DaveMorris [10:03] morning all [10:03] hi nigelb [10:03] o/ [10:03] wait, I wanted to say good morning to davmor2 earlier ;) [10:03] tabfail [10:04] morning nigelb [10:07] * cps returns [10:14] * czajkowski slaps davmor2 and walks off [10:14] BigRedS: Doh! [10:14] Yay! czajkowski is back prod [10:28] It's so peaceful when I forget to load Outlook in the morning [10:31] TheOpenSourcerer, you should use dpkg-architecture, as it's technically possible for uname to report something different to your ubuntu install [10:32] * davmor2 gives czajkowski a big hug [10:33] directhex: Thanks. uname -a was correct in this instance but that is useful to know. [10:33] alord@lobsang:~$ dpkg-architecture [10:33] The program 'dpkg-architecture' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: [10:33] sudo apt-get install dpkg-dev [10:33] heh [10:33] there's that, of course [10:35] directhex: when would uname give the wrong answer? [10:37] When you've told dpkg to use some arch other than that which your kernel is [10:37] screen-x, when your kernel doesn't match your debian arch [10:37] screen-x, e.g. using an amd64 kernel with i386 userland [10:45] directhex: ah ok, thanks. [10:45] or if you just installed a new kernel but havn't rebooted [10:45] or have an ARM chroot on amd64 :) [10:45] sounds funky, directhex [10:47] mornin folks [10:47] sup hoover [10:47] ello [10:48] not much screen-x, yourself? [10:49] work ticking over.. [10:49] yeah, same here... suffering from burn- and bore-out at the same time 8-P [10:52] writing xml as a human is like trying to pursuade a robot to be more creative [10:54] Yawn [10:55] Coffee Just isn't working today [10:59] have an apple [10:59] or apple juice [10:59] X3N: Both? [10:59] or both [11:00] * screen-x forgot his lunch :( [11:00] same :( [11:01] I even got it all ready in a plastic box [11:03] I bought mine on the way in today... [11:06] X3N: Yeah, I heard an apple works just as good as a latte! [11:09] good morning [11:10] hi rowinggolfer [11:15] hi popey. [11:15] popey, I've been writing a little app. [11:15] o/ [11:15] not ready for mainstream yet, but it has got some viral attention this am [11:15] we were talking to someone yesterday about openmolar [11:15] http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/auteur-is-new-non-linear-video-editor.html [11:16] AlanBell, I am working on a postgres version of that. [11:16] which will be much better than my original hack. [11:16] how about an openERP module? [11:16] which has postgres at the back end [11:17] and is written in python [11:17] not familiar with openERP [11:17] http://www.openerp.com/ [11:17] I'm after a way of seeing each redirect my browser follows. Any suggestions of plugins? I specifically don't want to prevent it following them, though [11:17] BigRedS, which browser? [11:18] I'm using firefox by default, but I don't really mind which I use for this [11:18] AlanBell, that looks very interesting [11:21] BigRedS: I use a ff plugin 'live http headers'. would fit the bill, but perhaps overly verbose [11:21] BigRedS: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/live-http-headers/ [11:21] heh [11:22] shauno: dogmatic69 Cheers! [11:24] rowinggolfer: we had a nice long meeting in a pub with this partner http://www.openerp.com/node/554 [11:24] they are interested in openerp for primary care [11:29] rowinggolfer: "Yay!" Just what linux needs! Another non-linear video editor ;) [11:30] shauno: dogmatic69 live http headers just worked perfectly. Cheers! [11:30] np [11:30] rowinggolfer: can I recommend you create a separate ppa rather than have just one personal one? [11:30] popey: it's easier to build your own than it is to fix an existing one [11:30] apparently so [11:30] popey, good point. [11:31] popey, like I said... I wasn't really expecting any movement yet. [11:32] looks nice [11:33] AlanBell, we've been trying a new ERP path [11:33] popey, ty [11:35] i tried to use pitivi to do a simple task the other week, didn't end well.. sucks we don't have a good video editor yet [11:36] pitivi crashes reliably with any video from my camera :( [11:36] the problem with pitivi... IMHO is that gstreamer takes it down. [11:37] I suspect 99% of pitivi issues are actually gstreamer issues. [11:38] popey, i'd blame those greasy monkeys at collabora multimedia for any and all pitivi issues [11:38] yeah [11:38] and the majority of those are down to being pc with codecs. [11:38] :) [11:38] popey.. have you seen bug no 1 for auteur ? [11:40] no [11:40] url? [11:40] http://bugs.launchpad.net/auteur [11:43] haha [11:43] bug 715104 [11:43] Launchpad bug 715104 in Auteur "Final Cut Pro has majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/715104 [11:44] Heh [11:44] !info lombard [11:44] Package lombard does not exist in maverick [11:45] well thats one less. [11:50] * cps returns from a nice soak in a hot bath [11:54] I quite like FCP [11:54] Plays nice with shared storage :) [11:56] daubers: hows your uber busy febuary going? [11:56] screen-x: Busy :( [11:56] screen-x: Got home at 11:30 monday, got home at 8:45 yesterday. looks like I'll be working till 7 tonight too [11:57] minions+=1 [11:57] and no-one sells decent SCSI cables anymore so I'm having to get some custom made! [11:57] sas? [11:57] scsi is ancient history [11:57] screen-x: Way things are going within 6 months minions+=2 [11:58] it's like complaining they don't sell morse code transmitters at currys [11:58] screen-x: Tape drives don't take SAS yet [11:58] also, customer supplied that tape drives [12:00] is there any advantage of sas of sata for ssd? [12:00] not really [12:00] Nope, drive speed is the bottleneck [12:00] PCI-E SSDs ++ [12:01] MartijnVdS: to they have SATA controllers on board, or are they completely new controllers? [12:01] screen-x: they're completely new controllers [12:02] hmmm, so compatibility issues? [12:02] screen-x: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3eFgClKGMc [12:09] AlanBell: which ISO were you using earlier for Debian? [12:09] I've an installer going now [12:09] in vbox [12:10] MartijnVdS: no audio here, so cant hear what he's saying, but there are some big number on the screen behind.. [12:10] debian 6 64 bit [12:10] AlanBell: this claims to do both [12:10] the netinstall [12:11] I say 'claims'. I've just seen the file name has "-amd64-i386-" in the name [12:17] AlanBell: Is this any interest to you http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/09/michael_meeks_talks_libreoffice/ [12:18] He's a very good speaker [12:18] I quite enjoyed that talk [12:19] was not expecting to find myself interested in an office suite [12:19] * czajkowski spent most of the Sunday in the Libre office room [12:20] Ah, I was in perl and cloud [12:20] mixture of obsolescence and buzzwords [12:27] hi folks, anyone had any experience with setting up ekiga for BT broadband talk? === TheAshMan is now known as ls12styler [12:37] DJones: it is of general interest to me and I will be going along to the plugfest thing [13:28] i've lost my ssh connection to my server.... and at home, arhh f... [13:37] oopsy [13:37] I try to avoid doing install remotely [13:38] in case that kind of thing happens [13:38] same with rebooting [13:39] This is a great advantage of VMs (as long as you have access to the host..) [13:39] or ipmi.. [13:40] screen-x: or the wonders of byobu/screen in that if you lose your connection you can log back in and pick up where you left off [13:41] DeathSling: How did you lose it, did you have to reboot in which case you might need to give it a couple of seconds before you reconnect [13:41] davmor2: screen doesn't help you much if you need to reboot a remote box.. [13:42] screen-x: this is true but if you lose your connection while it's up it does :) [13:42] yep :) [13:42] screen -x \o/ [13:42] i waited, i can ping it but connection is now refused. Was looking to see if it has anything to do with libvirt [13:42] screen-x: byobu ftw [13:43] screen -x works fine with byobu.. [13:43] though sadly it isnt required as often, as byobu auto rejoins the runnins session. [13:43] afternoonings everyone. [13:43] afternoon brobostigon [13:44] screen-x: I know but if you lose connection you just need to log back in and byobu automatically reconnects you :D [13:44] stupid apt, it wanted to remove xserver-xorg, :( [13:44] hi [13:44] brobostigon: apt knows best, maybe you shouldnt be using X? [13:44] afternoonings DeathSling and davmor2 nd screen-x [13:45] screen-x: i dont think it does inthis case. [13:45] brobostigon: lo [13:45] brobostigon: screen+links+irssi+mutt, sorted ;-) [13:46] screen-x: fairpoint. [13:46] i was ssh'ing to the host and trying to setup a virtual guest remotly. everything was fine until now when i rebooted [13:46] DeathSling: did you add the host's nic to a bridge? [13:47] so i let it remove xorg, and reinstalled it again, apt defeated, [13:47] did but then removed it, didn't on the second host, but have lost both [13:48] after i changed sshd_config's port I restarted networking and loged on remotely [13:48] screen-x: don't forget the nano [13:48] s/nano/vim/g [13:49] nano ftw [13:49] nano seems to be the simplest, and easiest to learn. [13:49] since then I have installed virtinst [13:50] vim is awesome and ubiquitous, what more could you want ;-) [13:50] screen-x: http://secretgeek.net/fuv_intro.asp [13:50] screen-x: nano! [13:50] MartijnVdS: haha [13:50] screen-x: it not good to learn. more or less impossible. [13:52] MartijnVdS: reminds me of http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/petrovich.html [13:52] I used to think vim was perfectly sane. until I had to use it on a terminal which didn't have cursor keys recently [13:53] hjkl [13:53] * brobostigon found salt and vinegar pringles while shopping today,yummy, [13:53] :) [13:54] lol [13:54] hjkl on a dvorak keymap is mindbending [13:55] ahh yes, I can see that causing fury [14:07] How often does one type hjkl? [14:07] howdy guys [14:07] czajkowski: playing rugby for the first time in AGES tonight :s [14:08] dwatkins: vim command mode motion [14:08] dwatkins: they're left/down/up/right in vim, so either a lot, or never, depending on whether you have cursor keys available [14:08] and depending on whether you use vim :) [14:08] * Note: Other editors are available :) [14:09] oh I see, shauno - no cursor keys? [14:10] a 'dumb' terminal (as a description of offence, rather than the technical meaning), that didn't understand them properly. and not using it long enough to care to fight for them [14:10] Glee is addictive [14:12] Lies [14:12] Watched one episode. thought it was bobbins, never watched another. [14:12] HAHA my f-up with ssh was due to me having bad drbd.conf (someone was able to look at the screen for me and press a magical button of 'abort') [14:12] I am however neither female nor gay, so not in the target demographic :) [14:12] popey: yer very odd at times [14:18] !info popey [14:18] Package popey does not exist in maverick [14:18] \o/ [14:18] !popey [14:18] popey is the UK alternative to elvis. [14:18] That's the cookie. [14:18] never ceases to make me laugh [14:18] popey: you got through an episode [14:21] \o/ hamitron [14:22] Bobbins, great term [14:22] :) [14:22] hi popey :) [14:22] hullo [14:22] you've been missed [14:22] awwww \o/ [14:22] well, back now, after 5 days of toothache [14:22] bit behind with some work I got here still :/ [14:23] ouch [14:23] evil tooth aches [14:23] plus for some weird reason, my ISP have not been always giving me an IP [14:23] which hasn't been great [14:24] ? [14:24] If you have no IP then you have no connection [14:24] I know [14:24] :/ [14:25] Ah :( [14:25] I am wondering if maybe my router was not loading the TCP module correctly [14:25] seems ok atm [14:27] I was not in the mood to phone some foreign support line whilst I was in pain, and now it is just working, so guess they've had a lucky escape [14:27] does it again and I will moan and complain as normal :) [14:33] * popey invites hamitron to #ubuntu-uk-minecraft :) [14:34] we not allowed to talk it here now? ;) [14:35] * BigRedS wants a multi-server capable minecraft client [14:35] why? ;/ [14:36] a distributed server network server mode would interest me more [14:36] merge existing server worlds into 1 big world sorta thing :D [14:38] hi all [14:39] in natty canberra-gtk-play seems to have disappeared, do you have the same problem? [14:43] * dwatkins notes that the flash player update that fixes fullscreen playback on dual monitors is also available for linux [14:44] what was the issue there? [14:44] dogmatic69: it would un-fullscreen when you clicked the other display, dogmatic69 [14:44] ah [14:44] cool [14:44] how about the 'picture freezes in full screen' [14:45] I'm not aware of there being a problem with that, dogmatic69. [14:46] http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110101123009AAMo0et [14:47] Does this happen reproducably on your system, dogmatic69? [14:47] dwatkins: ye i even found a fix [14:47] i could not play full screen on anything, ff, chrome etc [14:47] What's the fix, dogmatic69? [14:48] any site, youtube, iplayer etc [14:49] What was the fix? [14:49] dwatkins: is that an update from adobe or is it sensibly packaged? [14:49] or is it even a sensibly packaged update from adobe? [14:49] it updated automatically on my machine, AlanBell, but I'm not running a linux at the moment [14:49] it was, right click -> display -> turn off hardware acceleration, then add a line (dont remeber) to a file (dont remeber) that disabled some validation in the data apparently and then restart browser and put the hardware acceleration back on [14:49] looking for the line added now [14:50] another one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/686035 [14:50] Ubuntu bug 686035 in firefox (Ubuntu) "when I "fullscreen" youtube video,it stops" [Undecided,New] [14:50] dwatkins: it was on my laptop which the gfx is not proper supported also. [14:51] AlanBell: it's available as an RPM or a DEB [14:51] also a tar.gz or YUM, but those are a little less useful to us [14:52] dogmatic69: were you using the stable release version of the player and the OS itself? [14:52] dwatkins: 10.10 all the updates and stuff from apt-get [14:53] What hardware, specifically the graphics card, dogmatic69? [14:53] not sure [14:54] knowing that would really help, do you have the same issue on your current machine if you enable hardware acceleration, dogmatic69? [14:54] sudo echo \"OverrideGPUValidation = 1\" >> /etc/adobe/mms.cfg [14:54]