[00:51] <n1md4> anyone using squeeze + dovecot?
[01:03] <n1md4> Well, there are some sieve issues, but commenting out managesieve parts 'fixed' that.
[07:20] <phonex01> hello guys i need help
[07:21] <phonex01> i have problem with tor i cant connect to tor i have this mesg " connecting to a relay directory " ??? so whats the problem ??
[07:21] <phonex01> even i use bridges cz in my university they use smart filter proxy ,
[07:23] <phonex01> guys i need help !!
[07:36] <daubers> Morning
[08:02] <cps> morning peeps :)
[08:02]  * daubers makes some coffee
[08:04]  * cps loves how he can't install packages using synaptic yet he can do so in the terminal
[08:15] <smittix> Mornin
[08:16] <cps> hey smittix
[08:37] <DJones> Good morning all
[08:39] <BigRedS> Goood morning!
[08:53] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:53] <AlanBell> o/
[08:53] <MartijnVdS> de-tiling kitchen wall == noise
[08:57] <danfish> \o/
[08:58] <danfish> oops, didn't mean the '\'
[08:58] <danfish> o/
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> daubers: *\o/*
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> danfish:
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> danfish: or even *\o/*
[09:02] <smittix> :)
[09:02] <smittix> MartijnVdS: Is that a cheerleader?
[09:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning everyone.
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> smittix: 'tis
[09:06] <danfish> \o^  <--- teapot :)
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> <o/
[09:07] <cps> hello
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> danfish: <O/ <- big teapot
[09:08] <cps> debian \o/
[09:08] <danfish> MartijnVdS: vg :)
[09:09]  * AlanBell installs debian in a VM
[09:10]  * TheOpenSourcerer updates eclipse on one machine and installs it on another.
[09:11] <AlanBell> going to install eclipse in this debian VM
[09:11]  * MartijnVdS hands AlanBell some extra CPU power
[09:11]  * AlanBell stares at a black window with nothing much happening in it
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[09:12] <cps> lol
[09:13] <AlanBell> hmm, bit of virtual CD activity for a minute, then nothing
[09:13] <AlanBell> could they not have done a splash screen or anything!
[09:13] <BigRedS> There is a splash screen
[09:13] <BigRedS> it normally comes up for about a week
[09:13] <AlanBell> seeing nothing in virtualbox
[09:14] <BigRedS> hmmm. It might be just taking a while... though it's had two minutes already
[09:14] <BigRedS> just use netbeans
[09:14] <BigRedS> or vim
[09:14] <BigRedS> :)
[09:14]  * AlanBell taps fingers
[09:14]  * AlanBell looks at an ubuntu iso
[09:14] <BigRedS> I very much liked netbeans for its "fix my file hierarchy" function
[09:14] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:15] <AlanBell> I think my upstream adventure may be coming to an end
[09:15] <BigRedS> Have you tried running it in a terminal to see what's spat to stdout?
[09:15] <AlanBell> running virtualbox in a terminal?
[09:15] <cps> hello czajkowski
[09:16] <AlanBell> I don't think there would be any output from inside the VM
[09:16] <BigRedS> no, eclipse in a terminal in the vm
[09:16] <AlanBell> I can't get debian installer to start
[09:16] <BigRedS> I'm assuming you've a Debian VM up, and are waiting for eclipse to start inside it?
[09:16] <BigRedS> Ohhhhhhhh!
[09:16] <BigRedS> I thought it was eclipse that was broken
[09:16] <AlanBell> no, I am failing at the first hurdle
[09:17] <AlanBell> I need eclipse in a VM today, just thought I would use the shiny new debian 6 iso to create it
[09:17] <BigRedS> Shiny new Debian 6?
[09:17] <BigRedS> Debian stable doesn't come in 'shiny' or 'new' :)
[09:17] <AlanBell> so I see
[09:17] <AlanBell> or working
[09:18] <cps> BigRedS, I think Debian 6 is shiny and new :3
[09:18] <cps> that's the main reason why I switched to it this morning
[09:18] <cps> another reason is because my hdd needed reformatting
[09:22] <BigRedS> cps, it's new, but I use it precisely because it's not shiny
[09:25]  * AlanBell installs ubuntu 10.10 in a vm
[09:27] <nigelb> AlanBell: you run lucid?
[09:27] <nigelb> (I mean normally)
[09:27] <AlanBell> maverick
[09:28] <AlanBell> just I want to kind of have a VM per customer for dev work
[09:28] <nigelb> hehe
[09:28] <nigelb> good idea ;)
[09:29] <AlanBell> then I can move them to different machines, have different servers running on them, break my host operating system by doing silly things to it etc.
[09:29] <AlanBell> so why didn't debian 6 boot?
[09:30] <AlanBell> didn't even see grub happening
[09:30]  * BigRedS downloads a debian 6 iso
[09:30]  * cps has all 8 DVD ISOs
[09:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Probly the "free" kernel. Maybe it needs some non-free firmware for the VM manager?
[09:30] <cps> well, all 8 DVDs for that matter :p
[09:31]  * cps installs kdenlive
[09:31] <AlanBell> virtuabox boots a heap of other operating systems unmodified
[09:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Including OSX (although that does need modifying briefly).
[09:32] <BigRedS> There's a non-free install CD isn't there?
[09:32] <BigRedS> or do you need to do acrobatics to use external media?
[09:33] <AlanBell> http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=37704
[09:34] <AlanBell> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=55568
[09:35] <AlanBell> looks like it might be broken
[09:35] <popey> Morning all!
[09:36] <cps> morning popey :)
[09:36] <czajkowski>              ▗
[09:36] <czajkowski> ▛▚▀▖▞▀▖▙▀▖▛▀▖▄ ▛▀▖▞▀▌ ▛▀▖▞▀▖▛▀▖▞▀▖▌ ▌
[09:36] <czajkowski> ▌▐ ▌▌ ▌▌  ▌ ▌▐ ▌ ▌▚▄▌ ▙▄▘▌ ▌▙▄▘▛▀ ▚▄▌
[09:36] <czajkowski> ▘▝ ▘▝▀ ▘  ▘ ▘▀▘▘ ▘▗▄▘ ▌  ▝▀ ▌  ▝▀▘▗▄▘
[09:36] <soneill> bad czajkowski
[09:36] <soneill> bad
[09:36] <cps> hahaha
[09:36] <gord> and my streak of randomly picking up bits of hardware and them working with ubuntu flawlessly continues, this week, some silly usb audio jack thing that is designed for a mac, woo
[09:36] <czajkowski> *grin*
[09:36]  * cps hi5's soneill 
[09:37]  * DJones takes glasses off & squints heavily to make sense of that
[09:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm - Just got "invited" to let our son go on the school ski trip next Jan. £840 smackeroos!
[09:37] <cps> DJones, oh dear
[09:37] <BigRedS> Hah. Looks like debian has exactly the opposite of the problem Ubuntu does
[09:37] <gord> i don't use a monospace font for irc, its all gibberish to me ;)
[09:37] <cps> monospace fonts ftw
[09:37] <AlanBell> gibberish ftw
[09:38] <BigRedS> Where any given prerelease Ubuntu has been incredibly thoroughly tested in VBox but almost nowhere else, and apparently nobody thought to try Debian in a VM
[09:38] <DJones> gord: You'll have to leave -offtopic  & defocus, that'll reduce the gibberish :)
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: debian on hardware, ubuntu in vm :)
[09:38] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: nice invite!
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> it's what they're for
[09:38] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: yeah, I think that's the way round most people do it
[09:39] <gord> pre-release ubuntu gets tested on a *lot* of hardware
[09:39] <gord> believe me, i see the bug reports
[09:39] <BigRedS> Yeah, probably. Just from the MLs it appeared that 90% of the 'testers' were doing it in VBox on top of a stable install on the metal
[09:39] <BigRedS> the -user ML not testers
[09:40] <BigRedS> so, yeah, not at all representative. I was being a bit facetious :)
[09:40] <DJones> gord: Are you aware of a bug on natty with grub where the list of operating systems/kernels is corrupted & almost unreadable?
[09:40] <DJones> om
[09:40] <DJones> 09:22 < chupacabra> that message told me nothing i didn't know
[09:40] <DJones> Where did that come from
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> DJones: you use that list? :)
[09:40] <gord> DJones, nope, doesn't happen here either
[09:41] <DJones> gord: Hmmh, I'll have to have a look later, I did an upgrade at the weekend & the grub menu is virtually unreadable
[09:41] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Not really, it just appears because the machine has an XP install going back donkeys years
[09:42] <AlanBell> well ubuntu is installed and started, debian hasn't booted yet
[09:43] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:43] <cps> hey screen-x
[09:43] <cps> :)
[09:43] <screen-x> \o cps
[09:45] <DJones> gord: Sounds like the grub problem could be this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/701111 might try & diagnose/fix tonight if I get chance
[09:48] <cps> hello bigcalm :)
[09:48] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[09:57] <JamesTait> Goeie dag, mense!
[09:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> how can I tell what arch my ubuntu is? i.e. 386 or 64bit
[09:58] <cps> uname -a I believe
[09:58] <cps> brb
[10:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> yep. eclipse wasn't booting on my lappy as it running i686 not x86_64. Doh.
[10:00] <davmor2> morning all
[10:00]  * TheOpenSourcerer downloads helois again.
[10:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> s.helois/helios
[10:02] <nigelb> Morning TheOpenSourcerer, DaveMorris
[10:03] <DaveMorris> morning all
[10:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> hi nigelb
[10:03] <nigelb> o/
[10:03] <nigelb> wait, I wanted to say good morning to davmor2 earlier ;)
[10:03] <nigelb> tabfail
[10:04] <davmor2> morning nigelb
[10:07]  * cps returns
[10:14]  * czajkowski slaps davmor2 and walks off 
[10:14] <n1md4> BigRedS: Doh!
[10:14] <davmor2> Yay! czajkowski is back prod
[10:28] <bigcalm> It's so peaceful when I forget to load Outlook in the morning
[10:31] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, you should use dpkg-architecture, as it's technically possible for uname to report something different to your ubuntu install
[10:32]  * davmor2 gives czajkowski a big hug
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: Thanks. uname -a was correct in this instance but that is useful to know.
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> alord@lobsang:~$ dpkg-architecture
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> The program 'dpkg-architecture' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> sudo apt-get install dpkg-dev
[10:33] <directhex> heh
[10:33] <directhex> there's that, of course
[10:35] <screen-x> directhex: when would uname give the wrong answer?
[10:37] <BigRedS> When you've told dpkg to use some arch other than that which your kernel is
[10:37] <directhex> screen-x, when your kernel doesn't match your debian arch
[10:37] <directhex> screen-x, e.g. using an amd64 kernel with i386 userland
[10:45] <screen-x> directhex: ah ok, thanks.
[10:45] <dwatkins> or if you just installed a new kernel but havn't rebooted
[10:45] <directhex> or have an ARM chroot on amd64 :)
[10:45] <dwatkins> sounds funky, directhex
[10:47] <hoover> mornin folks
[10:47] <screen-x> sup hoover
[10:47] <dwatkins> ello
[10:48] <hoover> not much screen-x, yourself?
[10:49] <screen-x> work ticking over..
[10:49] <hoover> yeah, same here... suffering from burn- and bore-out at the same time 8-P
[10:52] <screen-x> writing xml as a human is like trying to pursuade a robot to be more creative
[10:54] <smittix> Yawn
[10:55] <smittix> Coffee Just isn't working today
[10:59] <X3N> have an apple
[10:59] <X3N> or apple juice
[10:59] <jpds> X3N: Both?
[10:59] <X3N> or both
[11:00]  * screen-x forgot his lunch :(
[11:00] <X3N> same :(
[11:01] <screen-x> I even got it all ready in a plastic box
[11:03] <BigRedS> I bought mine on the way in today...
[11:06] <smittix> X3N: Yeah, I heard an apple works just as good as a latte!
[11:09] <rowinggolfer> good morning
[11:10] <popey> hi rowinggolfer
[11:15] <rowinggolfer> hi popey.
[11:15] <rowinggolfer> popey, I've been writing a little app.
[11:15] <AlanBell> o/
[11:15] <rowinggolfer> not ready for mainstream yet, but it has got some viral attention this am
[11:15] <AlanBell> we were talking to someone yesterday about openmolar
[11:15] <rowinggolfer> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/auteur-is-new-non-linear-video-editor.html
[11:16] <rowinggolfer> AlanBell, I am working on a postgres version of that.
[11:16] <rowinggolfer> which will be much better than my original hack.
[11:16] <AlanBell> how about an openERP module?
[11:16] <AlanBell> which has postgres at the back end
[11:17] <AlanBell> and is written in python
[11:17] <rowinggolfer> not familiar with openERP
[11:17] <AlanBell> http://www.openerp.com/
[11:17] <BigRedS> I'm after a way of seeing each redirect my browser follows. Any suggestions of plugins? I specifically don't want to prevent it following them, though
[11:17] <rowinggolfer> BigRedS, which browser?
[11:18] <BigRedS> I'm using firefox by default, but I don't really mind which I use for this
[11:18] <rowinggolfer> AlanBell, that looks very interesting
[11:21] <shauno> BigRedS: I use a ff plugin 'live http headers'.  would fit the bill, but perhaps overly verbose
[11:21] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/live-http-headers/
[11:21] <dogmatic69> heh
[11:22] <BigRedS> shauno: dogmatic69 Cheers!
[11:24] <AlanBell> rowinggolfer: we had a nice long meeting in a pub with this partner http://www.openerp.com/node/554
[11:24] <AlanBell> they are interested in openerp for primary care
[11:29] <popey> rowinggolfer: "Yay!" Just what linux needs! Another non-linear video editor ;)
[11:30] <BigRedS> shauno: dogmatic69 live http headers just worked perfectly. Cheers!
[11:30] <dogmatic69> np
[11:30] <popey> rowinggolfer: can I recommend you create a separate ppa rather than have just one personal one?
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: it's easier to build your own than it is to fix an existing one
[11:30] <popey> apparently so
[11:30] <rowinggolfer> popey, good point.
[11:31] <rowinggolfer> popey, like I said... I wasn't really expecting any movement yet.
[11:32] <popey> looks nice
[11:33] <directhex> AlanBell, we've been trying a new ERP path
[11:33] <rowinggolfer> popey, ty
[11:35] <gord> i tried to use pitivi to do a simple task the other week, didn't end well.. sucks we don't have a good video editor yet
[11:36] <popey> pitivi crashes reliably with any video from my camera :(
[11:36] <rowinggolfer> the problem with pitivi... IMHO is that gstreamer takes it down.
[11:37] <rowinggolfer> I suspect 99% of pitivi issues are actually gstreamer issues.
[11:38] <directhex> popey, i'd blame those greasy monkeys at collabora multimedia for any and all pitivi issues
[11:38] <popey> yeah
[11:38] <rowinggolfer> and the majority of those are down to being pc with codecs.
[11:38] <popey> :)
[11:38] <rowinggolfer> popey.. have you seen bug no 1 for auteur ?
[11:40] <popey> no
[11:40] <popey> url?
[11:40] <rowinggolfer> http://bugs.launchpad.net/auteur
[11:43] <popey> haha
[11:43] <popey> bug 715104
[11:44] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:44] <screen-x> !info lombard
[11:45] <screen-x> well thats one less.
[11:50]  * cps returns from a nice soak in a hot bath
[11:54] <daubers> I quite like FCP
[11:54] <daubers> Plays nice with shared storage :)
[11:56] <screen-x> daubers: hows your uber busy febuary going?
[11:56] <daubers> screen-x: Busy :(
[11:56] <daubers> screen-x: Got home at 11:30 monday, got home at 8:45 yesterday. looks like I'll be working till 7 tonight too
[11:57] <screen-x> minions+=1
[11:57] <daubers> and no-one sells decent SCSI cables anymore so I'm having to get some custom made!
[11:57] <screen-x> sas?
[11:57] <directhex> scsi is ancient history
[11:57] <daubers> screen-x: Way things are going within 6 months minions+=2
[11:58] <directhex> it's like complaining they don't sell morse code transmitters at currys
[11:58] <daubers> screen-x: Tape drives don't take SAS yet
[11:58] <daubers> also, customer supplied that tape drives
[12:00] <screen-x> is there any advantage of sas of sata for ssd?
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> not really
[12:00] <daubers> Nope, drive speed is the bottleneck
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> PCI-E SSDs ++
[12:01] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: to they have SATA controllers on board, or are they completely new controllers?
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: they're completely new controllers
[12:02] <screen-x> hmmm, so compatibility issues?
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3eFgClKGMc
[12:09] <BigRedS> AlanBell: which ISO were you using earlier for Debian?
[12:09] <BigRedS> I've an installer going now
[12:09] <BigRedS> in vbox
[12:10] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: no audio here, so cant hear what he's saying, but there are some big number on the screen behind..
[12:10] <AlanBell> debian 6 64 bit
[12:10] <BigRedS> AlanBell: this claims to do both
[12:10] <BigRedS> the netinstall
[12:11] <BigRedS> I say 'claims'. I've just seen the file name has "-amd64-i386-" in the name
[12:17] <DJones> AlanBell: Is this any interest to you http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/09/michael_meeks_talks_libreoffice/
[12:18] <czajkowski> He's a very good speaker
[12:18] <BigRedS> I quite enjoyed that talk
[12:19] <BigRedS> was not expecting to find myself interested in an office suite
[12:19]  * czajkowski spent most of the Sunday in the Libre office room
[12:20] <BigRedS> Ah, I was in perl and cloud
[12:20] <BigRedS> mixture of obsolescence and buzzwords
[12:27] <ajbinnie> hi folks, anyone had any experience with setting up ekiga for BT broadband talk?
[12:37] <AlanBell> DJones: it is of general interest to me and I will be going along to the plugfest thing
[13:28] <DeathSling> i've lost my ssh connection to my server.... and at home, arhh f...
[13:37] <SuperMatt> oopsy
[13:37] <SuperMatt> I try to avoid doing install remotely
[13:38] <SuperMatt> in case that kind of thing happens
[13:38] <SuperMatt> same with rebooting
[13:39] <screen-x> This is a great advantage of VMs (as long as you have access to the host..)
[13:39] <screen-x> or ipmi..
[13:40] <davmor2> screen-x: or the wonders of byobu/screen in that if you lose your connection you can log back in and pick up where you left off
[13:41] <davmor2> DeathSling: How did you lose it,  did you have to reboot in which case you might need to give it a couple of seconds before you reconnect
[13:41] <screen-x> davmor2: screen doesn't help you much if you need to reboot a remote box..
[13:42] <davmor2> screen-x: this is true but if you lose your connection while it's up it does :)
[13:42] <screen-x> yep :)
[13:42] <screen-x> screen -x \o/
[13:42] <DeathSling> i waited, i can ping it but connection is now refused. Was looking to see if it has anything to do with libvirt
[13:42] <davmor2> screen-x: byobu ftw
[13:43] <screen-x> screen -x works fine with byobu..
[13:43] <screen-x> though sadly it isnt required as often, as byobu auto rejoins the runnins session.
[13:43] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[13:43] <screen-x> afternoon brobostigon
[13:44] <davmor2> screen-x: I know but if you lose connection you just need to log back in and byobu automatically reconnects you :D
[13:44] <brobostigon> stupid apt, it wanted to remove xserver-xorg, :(
[13:44] <DeathSling> hi
[13:44] <screen-x> brobostigon: apt knows best, maybe you shouldnt be using X?
[13:44] <brobostigon> afternoonings DeathSling and davmor2 nd screen-x
[13:45] <brobostigon> screen-x: i dont think it does inthis case.
[13:45] <davmor2> brobostigon: lo
[13:45] <screen-x> brobostigon: screen+links+irssi+mutt, sorted ;-)
[13:46] <brobostigon> screen-x: fairpoint.
[13:46] <DeathSling> i was ssh'ing to the host and trying to setup a virtual guest remotly. everything was fine until now when i rebooted
[13:46] <screen-x> DeathSling: did you add the host's nic to a bridge?
[13:47] <brobostigon> so i let it remove xorg, and reinstalled it again, apt defeated,
[13:47] <DeathSling> did but then removed it, didn't on the second host, but have lost both
[13:48] <DeathSling> after i changed sshd_config's port I restarted networking and loged on remotely
[13:48] <davmor2> screen-x: don't forget the nano
[13:48] <screen-x> s/nano/vim/g
[13:49] <davmor2> nano ftw
[13:49] <brobostigon> nano seems to be the simplest, and easiest to learn.
[13:49] <DeathSling> since then I have installed virtinst
[13:50] <screen-x> vim is awesome and ubiquitous, what more could you want ;-)
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: http://secretgeek.net/fuv_intro.asp
[13:50] <davmor2> screen-x: nano!
[13:50] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: haha
[13:50] <brobostigon> screen-x: it not good to learn. more or less impossible.
[13:52] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: reminds me of http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/petrovich.html
[13:52] <shauno> I used to think vim was perfectly sane.  until I had to use it on a terminal which didn't have cursor keys recently
[13:53] <screen-x> hjkl
[13:53]  * brobostigon found salt and vinegar pringles while shopping today,yummy,
[13:53] <brobostigon> :)
[13:54] <DeathSling> lol
[13:54] <shauno> hjkl on a dvorak keymap is mindbending
[13:55] <screen-x> ahh yes, I can see that causing fury
[14:07] <dwatkins> How often does one type hjkl?
[14:07] <andylockran> howdy guys
[14:07] <andylockran> czajkowski: playing rugby for the first time in AGES tonight :s
[14:08] <screen-x> dwatkins: vim command mode motion
[14:08] <shauno> dwatkins: they're left/down/up/right in vim, so either a lot, or never, depending on whether you have cursor keys available
[14:08] <popey> and depending on whether you use vim :)
[14:08] <popey> * Note: Other editors are available :)
[14:09] <dwatkins> oh I see, shauno - no cursor keys?
[14:10] <shauno> a 'dumb' terminal (as a description of offence, rather than the technical meaning), that didn't understand them properly.  and not using it long enough to care to fight for them
[14:10] <czajkowski> Glee is addictive
[14:12] <popey> Lies
[14:12] <popey> Watched one episode. thought it was bobbins, never watched another.
[14:12] <DeathSling> HAHA    my f-up with ssh was due to me having  bad drbd.conf    (someone was able to look at the screen for me and press a magical button of 'abort')
[14:12] <popey> I am however neither female nor gay, so not in the target demographic :)
[14:12] <czajkowski> popey: yer very odd at times
[14:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> !info popey
[14:18] <popey> \o/
[14:18] <popey> !popey
[14:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's the cookie.
[14:18] <czajkowski> never ceases to make me laugh
[14:18] <davmor2> popey: you got through an episode
[14:21] <popey> \o/ hamitron
[14:22] <bigcalm> Bobbins, great term
[14:22] <popey> :)
[14:22] <hamitron> hi popey :)
[14:22] <popey> hullo
[14:22] <popey> you've been missed
[14:22] <hamitron> awwww \o/
[14:22] <hamitron> well, back now, after 5 days of toothache
[14:22] <hamitron> bit behind with some work I got here still :/
[14:23] <popey> ouch
[14:23] <czajkowski> evil tooth aches
[14:23] <hamitron> plus for some weird reason, my ISP have not been always giving me an IP
[14:23] <hamitron> which hasn't been great
[14:24] <bigcalm> ?
[14:24] <bigcalm> If you have no IP then you have no connection
[14:24] <hamitron> I know
[14:24] <hamitron> :/
[14:25] <bigcalm> Ah :(
[14:25] <hamitron> I am wondering if maybe my router was not loading the TCP module correctly
[14:25] <hamitron> seems ok atm
[14:27] <hamitron> I was not in the mood to phone some foreign support line whilst I was in pain, and now it is just working, so guess they've had a lucky escape
[14:27] <hamitron> does it again and I will moan and complain as normal :)
[14:33]  * popey invites hamitron to #ubuntu-uk-minecraft :)
[14:34] <hamitron> we not allowed to talk it here now? ;)
[14:35]  * BigRedS wants a multi-server capable minecraft client
[14:35] <hamitron> why? ;/
[14:36] <hamitron> a distributed server network server mode would interest me more
[14:36] <hamitron> merge existing server worlds into 1 big world sorta thing :D
[14:38] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[14:39] <pr0ph3t> in natty canberra-gtk-play seems to have disappeared, do you have the same problem?
[14:43]  * dwatkins notes that the flash player update that fixes fullscreen playback on dual monitors is also available for linux
[14:44] <dogmatic69> what was the issue there?
[14:44] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: it would un-fullscreen when you clicked the other display, dogmatic69
[14:44] <dogmatic69> ah
[14:44] <dogmatic69> cool
[14:44] <dogmatic69> how about the 'picture freezes in full screen'
[14:45] <dwatkins> I'm not aware of there being a problem with that, dogmatic69.
[14:46] <dogmatic69> http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110101123009AAMo0et
[14:47] <dwatkins> Does this happen reproducably on your system, dogmatic69?
[14:47] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: ye i even found a fix
[14:47] <dogmatic69> i could not play full screen on anything, ff, chrome etc
[14:47] <dwatkins> What's the fix, dogmatic69?
[14:48] <dogmatic69> any site, youtube, iplayer etc
[14:49] <dwatkins> What was the fix?
[14:49] <AlanBell> dwatkins: is that an update from adobe or is it sensibly packaged?
[14:49] <AlanBell> or is it even a sensibly packaged update from adobe?
[14:49] <dwatkins> it updated automatically on my machine, AlanBell, but I'm not running a linux at the moment
[14:49] <dogmatic69> it was, right click -> display -> turn off hardware acceleration, then add a line (dont remeber) to a file (dont remeber) that disabled some validation in the data apparently and then restart browser and put the hardware acceleration back on
[14:49] <dogmatic69> looking for the line added now
[14:50] <dogmatic69> another one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/686035
[14:50] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: it was on my laptop which the gfx is not proper supported also.
[14:51] <dwatkins> AlanBell: it's available as an RPM or a DEB
[14:51] <dwatkins> also a tar.gz or YUM, but those are a little less useful to us
[14:52] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: were you using the stable release version of the player and the OS itself?
[14:52] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: 10.10 all the updates and stuff from apt-get
[14:53] <dwatkins> What hardware, specifically the graphics card, dogmatic69?
[14:53] <dogmatic69> not sure
[14:54] <dwatkins> knowing that would really help, do you have the same issue on your current machine if you enable hardware acceleration, dogmatic69?
[14:54] <dogmatic69> sudo echo \"OverrideGPUValidation = 1\" >> /etc/adobe/mms.cfg
[14:54] <dogmatic69> what can i run to get the hardware dump
[14:55] <dwatkins> pastebin me an "lspci -vv" if you would, please
[14:55]  * dwatkins notes you can stop youtube from automatically playing videos
[14:56] <dogmatic69> bin.cakephp.org/view/425645868
[14:57] <dogmatic69> that was the cmd i ran btw... and now it works
[14:57] <dogmatic69> :)
[14:57] <dwatkins> excellent, it shouldn't need acceleration turned off, that's what concerns me
[14:57] <dogmatic69> i put it back on
[14:58] <dwatkins> does the original problem still occur?
[14:58] <dogmatic69> nope
[14:58] <dogmatic69> it can now play in full screen
[15:00] <dogmatic69> omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/fixing-fullscreen-flash-in-ubuntu-10-04
[15:01] <dogmatic69> thats where i found the fix
[15:02] <dwatkins> I'd be interested if it's still an issue in the new version, 10.2
[15:02] <dwatkins> s/interested/interested to hear/
[15:03] <dogmatic69> im updating now
[15:03] <dogmatic69> i should just remove that line and try?
[15:04] <dwatkins> yes, set it back to the default please
[15:06] <dogmatic69> nope its broke
[15:07] <dogmatic69> hmm
[15:07] <dogmatic69> works in chrome
[15:07] <dogmatic69> broken in ff still
[15:08] <dogmatic69> never mind, just closed and opened full screen and its borked in chrome too
[15:10] <dwatkins> I assume nothing much else is running and the video itself is downloaded okay, and the same machine is able to play fullscreen video ok in general, dogmatic69
[15:13] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: i paste that line in the file F5 and it works, remove the line and F5 then it dont
[15:15] <cps-thinkpad> afternoon
[15:15] <dwatkins> The line containing "OverrideGPUValidation", dogmatic69?
[15:15] <dogmatic69> yip
[15:16] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: I am concerned that means the problem resides with the driver and flash player interaction, but I don't know much about that level of things.
[15:16] <dogmatic69> sounds like it
[15:17] <dwatkins> I would probably need to talk to a gfx driver expert, are you able to tell me what exact graphics driver you have installed, dogmatic69?
[15:17] <dogmatic69> its a packard bell easynote
[15:17] <dogmatic69> good luck finding *any* info on that
[15:17] <brobostigon> xorgs llog should say whatdriver sis being used.
[15:18] <dogmatic69> unless there are some linux commands, there is no data on the net for them
[15:18] <dwatkins> as brobostigon says, and also the output of xdpyinfo and/or glxinfo, iirc
[15:18] <dwatkins> you can just pipe them all into the pastebin command, I imagine
[15:18] <dogmatic69> how?
[15:18] <brobostigon> glxinfo | pastebinit
[15:19] <brobostigon> | is a pipe.
[15:20] <dwatkins> I have to go to a meeting, but will remain logged-in unless my server happens to experience a catastrophic failure...
[15:20] <dogmatic69> glxinfo?
[15:21] <dogmatic69> dont have that and apt-get dont know about it
[15:21] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get intall glxinfo
[15:22] <dogmatic69> xdpyinfo: pastebin.com/dJ0DmMYJ
[15:22] <screen-x> !info mesa-utils
[15:22] <dogmatic69> brobostigon: E: unable to locate package glxinfo
[15:22] <screen-x> dogmatic69: its in mesa-utils
[15:23] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: doas screen-x said, replace glxinfo with mesa-utils
[15:24] <dogmatic69> glxinfo: pastebin.com/E1TVSQUC
[15:55]  * screen-x enjoyed living in guidlford. 
[15:55] <screen-x> err that'd be wrong window...
[15:57] <danfish> screen-x: giudlford - is that the town where everyone is known by their own unique number rather than name :P
[15:57] <danfish> hah - s/giud/guid :D
[15:57] <brobostigon> lol
[15:59] <brobostigon> "i am not a number, i am a man!!" quote, number 6.
[15:59] <screen-x> danfish: see what you did there ;-)
[15:59] <screen-x> .   /nick 2e1384e1-099c-8daa-e368-bf24bd0fce41
[15:59] <dutchie> making absolutely really sure you didn't accidentally run that one :P
[16:00] <DJones> screen-x: Is that an IPV6 nick?
[16:00] <danfish> 2e1384e1-099c-8daa-e368-bf24bd0fce41 <-- rolls off the tongue well doesn't it - can we just call you 2e for short?
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> danfish: "e41"
[16:01] <brobostigon> DJones: lol, :)
[16:06] <andylockran> hey guys
[16:06] <andylockran> I'm trying to get a mail alias to run a script for me
[16:06] <brobostigon> shwmae andylockran
[16:07] <andylockran> at the moment it does it fine
[16:07] <andylockran> however, I want the bash script to run ssh $remote -x /path/to/command/
[16:07] <andylockran> I've setup ssh keys, but how do I run that command so that it picks up the ssh key for the right user?
[16:10] <dutchie> andylockran: -i /path/to/ssh/key
[16:10] <dutchie> or use .ssh/config
[16:10] <andylockran> dutchie: ta
[16:10] <andylockran>  :)
[16:10] <andylockran> second question..
[16:10] <andylockran> how can I parse the contents of the email using that script?
[16:10] <andylockran> i.e. aliases says 247support: |/bin/support.sh
[16:15] <Azelphur> Haha, android is about to become the #1 gaming portable
[16:15] <Azelphur> HTC Just chucked 40 mill at OnLive
[16:16] <screen-x> andylockran: I guess there are the two standard answers, use a library that does it properly, or just extract what you need with a bunch of regexes
[16:22] <bigcalm> Any Brummies about atm?
[16:22] <bigcalm> We're seeing Punt & Dennis at Birmingham Town Hall tonight. Which would be the best car park to use?
[16:28] <cps> hello
[16:29] <brobostigon> afternoonings cps :)
[16:29] <cps> hey brobostigon, how's you? :)
[16:30] <brobostigon> cps: tired, and worn out. how about you?
[16:30] <cps> brobostigon, tired as well
[16:30] <cps> couldn't sleep last night, which was a bit of a bother
[16:30]  * brobostigon hugs cps 
[16:30]  * cps hugs brobostigon back :)
[16:31] <brobostigon> :)
[16:31] <brobostigon> cps: i havent been sleeping too well recently either,
[16:32] <cps> brobostigon, yeah. I think the trip I went on 2 weeks ago would have something to do with it
[16:32] <cps> went down to preston with my mates
[16:32] <cps> had to get up at half four in the morning
[16:32] <cps> I was tired when I got home but for some reason I couldn't sleep
[16:33] <brobostigon> cps: yes, i think that migh have thrown your sleeping patterns out.
[16:34] <cps> I often end up sleeping during the day
[16:36] <brobostigon> makes sense, your body is still trying to keep up, when it cant. you need to straighten your sleep patterns out again.
[16:47]  * brobostigon scp's cps a fresh pot of coffee.
[16:48] <cps> thanks brobostigon :)
[16:48] <brobostigon> you're welcome :)
[16:59] <shauno> I wonder if it's sensible to be disappointed that my employer have changed my email address from a TLA, to something long and ugly :(
[16:59] <cps> that'll be my thinkpad running out of battery power then
[16:59]  * cps can't be bothered recharging it at the moment
[17:22] <Azelphur> hmm, I think nautilus is leaking memory o.O
[17:22] <Azelphur> It's using 1.7GB right now
[17:22] <brobostigon> :(
[17:24] <rowinggolfer_> Azelphur, that always happens to me when I browse .hidden in my Videos folder ;)
[17:24] <Azelphur> haha
[17:29] <rowinggolfer_> actually I'm loving F3 in nautilus
[17:33] <BigRedS> F3?
[17:40] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[17:40] <dutchie> BigRedS: splits the window
[17:40] <brobostigon> afternoonings pr0ph3t
[17:42] <pr0ph3t> how do I add a kernel command asus_laptop.wwan_status=1 (asus_laptop is a module)?
[17:43] <directhex> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line in /etc/default/grub
[17:43] <directhex> then update-grub
[17:43] <AlanBell> directhex: what is your new ERP direction?
[17:43] <pr0ph3t> thanks
[17:43] <BigRedS> dutchie: ahhh
[17:44] <directhex> AlanBell, project open. it's in tcl! need to trial it
[17:45] <AlanBell> tcl, what fun
[17:45]  * AlanBell tickles tcl
[17:47] <czajkowski> tcl is not nice
[17:53] <HazRPG> hey all :) \o
[17:53] <brobostigon> afternoonings HazRPG :)
[17:54] <HazRPG> brobostigon: afternoon :)
[17:55] <HazRPG> brobostigon: Apparently my extension on google's site has "73" weekly users :)
[17:55] <brobostigon> HazRPG: cool, :)
[17:56] <brobostigon> welldone.
[17:56] <dogmatic69> HazRPG: what extention is that?
[17:57] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: its basically an updated version of the Google RSS Subscribe extension to allow for programs you may have installed on your PC
[17:58] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[17:58] <HazRPG> so instead of just being able to subscribe to online RSS readers, you can pick say Juice for your podcasts
[17:59] <HazRPG> main reason was because I was upset that there wasn't an extension to load up my RSS feeds into Juice
[17:59] <HazRPG> https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/gmkbolemmamlpfbnieckhgaghdccmkhe?hl=en <==
[18:02] <rowinggolfer_> BigRedS, F3 is the split pane view.
[18:10] <pr0ph3t> hey all, do I close a bug report myself if I opened it or should I let someone else decide?
[18:12] <pr0ph3t> bug #700627
[18:14] <shauno> I think I'd be tempted to leave that one open for, so they can track whether that requires a fix that needs to be integrated  (assuming you're not the only person in the world with that ubuntu on an asus laptop, using that modem)
[18:14] <AlanBell> looks like more of a workarround has been discovered rather than a fix
[18:14] <AlanBell> ask in #ubuntu-bugs about it
[18:16] <pr0ph3t> thanks will do
[18:17]  * cps retreats to his bed
[18:17] <cps> absolutely tired
[18:17] <cps> o/
[18:17] <brobostigon> good night cps :)
[18:29] <davmor2> has everyone seen this http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2011/02/09/can-we-run-pc-pro-on-ubuntu/
[18:31] <BigRedS> well of course they can
[18:32] <davmor2> BigRedS: We know that :)   be interesting to follow and chip in with any help they may need though :)
[18:32] <BigRedS> haha, I can't help but think the "can we 'really' run our PCs on Ubuntu" kinda keeps up this idea that you can't
[18:33] <BigRedS> but I'm exposed less and less to people who don't already, I suppose
[18:35] <daubers> Evening
[18:41] <czajkowski> Myrtti: http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/inspect-a-gadget/2011/02/breaking-nokia-hardware-to-adopt-windows-phone-7-instead-of-symbian-and-meego.html
[18:42] <brobostigon> you can run android on an n900.
[18:43]  * brobostigon thinks a chilli is in order.
[18:53] <Myrtti> czajkowski: bft.
[18:54] <Myrtti> czajkowski: I wonder why they are still hiring MeeGo engineers to Helsinki if they're dropping it
[18:54] <czajkowski> aye
[18:54] <czajkowski> :(
[18:54] <Myrtti> so, I doubt they are
[18:54] <Myrtti> dropping it, I mean
[18:58] <daubers> cor blimey, pre3 has a 1.4GHz processor in it
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> pre3?
[18:59] <daubers> Palm/HP Phone :)
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> Ah, not a beta release :)
[18:59] <daubers> Heh, that was the Pre 2
[18:59] <dutchie> my last laptop was only 1.6GHz
[19:01] <daubers> The WebOS tablet looks quite nice too
[19:01] <daubers> http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/live-from-hp-palms-think-beyond-webos-event/?sort=newest&refresh=60 If you're interested
[19:15] <Azelphur> Daviey: what happened?
[19:18] <Azelphur> explosions D:
[19:18] <Azelphur> Daviey: explosions? D:
[19:18] <Azelphur> popey: care to send an SMS davieys way telling him katana.vpserve.com has 50% packet loss?
[19:19] <Daviey> Azelphur, "Fun
[19:19] <popey> i am not his secretary
[19:19] <Azelphur> ah here he is anyway :P
[19:19] <Daviey> popey, I wish you were.... :)
[19:19] <popey> only on tuesdays
[19:19] <popey> oh
[19:19] <popey> i read that as "you wish you were"
[19:19] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:19] <mfraz74> popey: what's the release schedule for UUPC?
[19:20] <popey> "soon"
[19:20] <mfraz74> :)
[19:20] <popey> :)
[19:20] <popey> we're working on stuff at the moment
[19:20] <popey> new website etc
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> *\o/* UUPC people *\o/*
[19:21] <popey> heh
[19:21] <popey> we also have new segments planned :)
[19:21] <popey> which should be fun
[19:33] <czajkowski> ohh
[19:33] <czajkowski> :D
[19:34] <czajkowski> sounds fun
[19:38] <smittix> Evening all
[20:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] LCA 2011 - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/133979.html
[20:17] <Laney> the PS3 ITV player is So Bad™
[20:18] <duvelhedz> I am glad it was hacked to run Linux again though
[20:51] <domjohnson> duvelhedz - it was?
[20:51] <domjohnson> Thats cool :)
[20:55] <duvelhedz> Look up fail0verflow, geohot went and published the root key, cats out of the bag now for Sony.
[20:55] <duvelhedz> No firmware updates will fix it now
[20:56] <duvelhedz> Linux has been successfully run on a ps3 slim which never had the other OS to begin with
[20:59] <domjohnson> lol
[21:00] <domjohnson> Thats why Sony shouldn't p*ss off the Linux community :P
[21:01] <duvelhedz> I agree, I wonder would one of the old PPC builds of ubuntu run on it
[21:02] <duvelhedz> 7.04 was the last I think
[21:02] <brobostigon> iwould go with debian, its much newer and uptodate powerpc build, and more mature,
[21:08] <duvelhedz> It would be very powerful bit of hardware especially if graphics drivers can be written.
[21:09] <duvelhedz> Sony never officially allowed access to the GPU of the console
[21:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Update on my Chilli growing: https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/statuses/35449670033620992 :-D
[21:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Time for a bit of TV and a G&T I think.
[22:34] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well everyone,
[22:56] <andy-f> quit
[23:22]  * hamitron sighs
[23:25] <dogmatic69> anyone know where mysql stores the raw db files?
[23:26] <popey>  /var/lib/mysql isnt it?
[23:26] <SuperMatt> why have I never seen this before? http://www.gotsars.com/view.php?id=5127
[23:26] <dogmatic69> yes
[23:26] <SuperMatt> sfw
[23:26] <dogmatic69> thanks popey
[23:27] <popey> np