[00:24] <excid3|mbp> hey
[00:26] <cyberanger> hey
[00:26] <cyberanger> what's up excid3|mbp
[00:28] <excid3|mbp> not a whole lot
[00:28] <excid3|mbp> you?
[00:29] <cyberanger> enough
[00:29] <cyberanger> not too busy, not too bored
[00:46] <wrst> hey excid3|mbp, cyberanger
[00:47] <excid3|mbp> thats a good middleground
[00:50] <cyberanger> hey wrst
[00:50] <cyberanger> excid3|mbp: when it holds
[00:50] <cyberanger> it is
[03:04] <cyberanger> hey techMiles
[03:07] <techMiles> hey thar.
[03:07] <techMiles> wassap?
[03:08] <cyberanger> not alot, doing some hacking
[03:08] <cyberanger> alot of code to rewrite
[03:08] <techMiles> yeah.
[03:08] <techMiles> am doing excel work, here.
[03:08] <techMiles> class. but love excel. :D
[03:08] <cyberanger> ouch
[03:09] <cyberanger> openoffice calc isn't good enough?
[03:09] <techMiles> the class requires excel
[03:09] <techMiles> and it does have a lot of functions that Ooo doesn't quite match yet
[03:10] <cyberanger> well, I do remeber those days, in high school (didn't need any office course, assumed if you were IT, you knew it enough as is)
[03:11] <cyberanger> and they can be different, I still did the work in oo.o (trying to get the school to switch, did that work twice)
[03:54] <linuxman410> wrst u here
[03:58] <linuxman410> wrst u here
[13:08] <wrst> cyberanger: you are showing away have you changed clients?
[14:45] <vychune> morning
[14:47] <Xpistos> morning all
[14:48] <wrst> morning Xpistos, vychune
[14:48] <vychune> how are yall
[14:48] <wrst> good
[15:23] <chibihogoshino> today is manga day
[15:50] <wrst> hey chibihogoshino
[15:50] <wrst> i was at a sherwin williams paint store last night and they run linux
[15:50] <vychune> for real?!?!?
[15:50] <vychune> oh and lowe's run linux
[15:51] <wrst> yes they run suse enterprise linux
[15:51] <wrst> vychune: http://www.novell.com/news/press/2008/12/sherwin-williams-standardizes-its-retail-stores-on-suse-linux-enterprise-from-novell.html
[15:51] <wrst> looked like the same desktop almost that lowes uses
[15:52] <vychune> oh cool
[15:52] <wrst> yes that was very cool
[16:00] <Xpistos> Hey the guys at my network released a new podcast yesterday call The Memory Leak
[16:00] <Xpistos> http://thememoryleak.com
[16:26] <wrst> cool Xpistos, hello chibihogoshino
[16:26] <Xpistos> hey wrst
[16:32] <vychune> brb
[16:41] <netritious> morning locotn
[16:43] <wrst> morning netritious
[16:44] <netritious> how's it going wrst?
[16:44] <wrst> pretty good turning into a nice humpday
[16:44] <netritious> good to hear wrst
[16:45] <wrst> yeah how are you doing netritious?
[16:45] <netritious> oh stuck on a little problem with vncserver and gdm
[16:46] <netritious> daughter on the way home since schools are closing (again)
[16:49] <wrst> my wife is on the way also due to snow :)
[16:49] <wrst> netritious: VNC and gdm sounds interesting
[16:56] <netritious> from what I recall from 2 am this morning...
[16:57] <netritious> sudo apt-get install vncserver (or maybe vnc-server?)
[16:57] <netritious> vncpasswd ~/.vnc/passwd
[16:58] <netritious> vncserver :1
[16:58] <wrst> i have never tried to get it to work from GDM netritious, i've always just enabled the sharing through the preferences
[16:58] <wrst> menu
[16:59] <netritious> I should have clarified...
[16:59] <netritious> gdm is starting
[16:59] <wrst> i'm curious how all that will work for you
[16:59] <netritious> but not my custom UNR install/session
[17:00] <netritious> well first I disabled gdm from starting up automatically
[17:00] <wrst> ahh
[17:01] <netritious> what's happening basically is that the netbook mods (maximus,clutter) are not being started as part of the gdm session
[17:01] <netritious> when I connect with vncserver
[17:01] <wrst> ahh i see, oh yeah 10.04 uses clutter i forget about that
[17:01] <wrst> or 10.10 does too i think
[17:02] <netritious> to be perfectly honest I don't understand all the mechanics of it right now, but I'm working on it
[17:03] <wrst> i have never really messed with clutter
[17:03] <netritious> after I finish this have to work on setting up ssh tunnels for the vncserver
[17:03] <wrst> i just know on my desktop it didn't work so well, but not made for it
[17:03] <netritious> clutter is cool...i dig it
[17:04] <netritious> using as server interface atm
[17:04] <wrst> ahh
[17:04] <netritious> setting up as server interface anyway...
[17:04] <netritious> but it's all good..
[17:04] <wrst> well if cyberanger were here he would remind that a gui for a server is for sissies ;)
[17:05] <netritious> when the server boots, gdm doesn't start
[17:05] <wrst> but you want it to correct?
[17:05] <netritious> well I'm keeping it down to as minimal as I can
[17:06] <netritious> no multimedia, plain vanilla document viewer, lvm and virt manager, etc
[17:06] <netritious> and starts at runlevel 3
[17:06] <netritious> via /etc/init/gdm.conf
[17:07] <wrst> hmm ok i found  a little do but starts it at 2
[17:08] <wrst> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1187346
[17:09] <netritious> I used sysv-rc-conf, but upstart is where it's at
[17:09] <netritious> *I've used sysv-rc-init
[17:09] <netritious> argh
[17:09] <netritious> *I've used sysv-rc-conf
[17:10] <wrst> hmm one think i like about arch, all that is in /etc/rc.conf add gdm to the daemons line and you are done
[17:10] <wrst> *thing
[17:10] <netritious> nice
[17:10] <wrst> but don't think i would want bleeding edge for my server ;)
[17:10] <netritious> hehe
[17:11] <wrst> that woudl be scary , i'm running 10.04 at home still and it is wonderful
[17:11] <netritious> +1
[17:11] <wrst> and i say "still" its not even a year old from its original release
[17:13] <Xpistos> Hey should I upgrade to 10.10 and then 11.04 or should I just wait?
[17:14] <wrst> Xpistos: you will have to go that route if you are upgradeing from 10.04 to get to 11.04
[17:14] <wrst> but the difference in 10.10 and 10.04 is near minimal and i think 10.04 is better in my mind
[17:14] <Xpistos> I never upgrade
[17:15] <Xpistos> only fresh installs
[17:15] <wrst> oh gotcha
[17:15] <Xpistos> I have always had problems with upgrades
[17:15] <wrst> i would just wait then i don't think there is that much of a difference to me, i am running 10.10 right now
[17:16] <netritious> Xpistos: me to
[17:16] <netritious> and not always the same problem
[17:16] <wrst> Xpistos: i have had reasonable success with them
[17:16] <wrst> LTS to LTS upgrades always seem to work much better for me
[17:16] <netritious> they go about as well as a Windows upgrade for me :D
[17:17] <wrst> oh netritious i remember a win 98 to ME upgrade :\
[17:17] <netritious> terrible days for admins
[17:18] <netritious> heck terrible days for anyone using that stuff
[17:18] <Xpistos> lol
[17:18] <wrst> yeah that was horrible
[17:19] <wrst> netritious: i ordered some RAM finally for that vista machine i was quizzing you about a few weeks ago the one with the dirty heat sink
[17:19] <netritious> 98 SE ran somewhat solid if you were careful enough, but when 2k hit the market I never looked back
[17:19] <Xpistos> so wait for 11.04 then?
[17:20] <Xpistos> Hey, is there a windows program to convernt XML into readable files
[17:20] <wrst> Xpistos: i don't know about 11.04 if its gotta go i would really stick with 10.04, i'm trying out 11.04 now
[17:20] <wrst> err natty
[17:20] <Xpistos> Like a spreadsheet or something
[17:20] <netritious> if there aren't many changes from 10.04 to 10.10 yeah why not wait
[17:21] <netritious> hm...can you just import the xml file into a spreadsheet? it is 2011 for crying out loud
[17:21] <Xpistos> My install has been wonky for the last few weeks and I am way overdue for a reinstall anyway
[17:21] <netritious> I'm saying spreadsheets should support xml by now, but never actually tried importing
[17:22] <wrst> Xpistos: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-oocalc/?ca=dgr-lnxw16XSLT-OOo
[17:22] <wrst> that looks a little complicated, i'm with netritious looks like it should just do it
[17:22] <netritious> omgoodness xlst lol
[17:23] <netritious> yeah, it should wrst
[17:23] <netritious> xlst is a PITA to get your head wrapped around, kinda like regular expressions (xlst and regexp are nothing alike though)
[17:24] <netritious> the syntax is uber weird
[17:24] <Xpistos> wrst: nah that is too complicated for me
[17:24] <wrst> looked too complicated for me too Xpistos :)
[17:25] <netritious> Xpistos:
[17:25] <netritious> depending on the XML file I have an old php5 function that I might be able to tweak to transform to csv
[17:26] <netritious> or if you know php you can hack at it
[17:27] <Xpistos> i don't
[17:27] <Xpistos> uet
[17:27] <Xpistos> yet
[17:28] <netritious> http://pastebin.com/x1Pgnr1D
[17:29] <netritious> examples at the bottom
[17:58] <cyberanger> wrst: all clients can set away, some don't show the status as nicely as others
[17:59] <wrst> this i know cyberanger i have never seen yours do that before
[17:59] <wrst> i thougth maybe you had moved over to using quassel
[18:00] <cyberanger> and why would I remind netritious gui is for sissies, your doing that for me ;-)
[18:00] <wrst> ha well thought since you were gone cyberanger.... but i will never call netritious a sissy
[18:01] <cyberanger> no, it's just rare I remember to set away on more than one network (bitlbee)
[18:01] <wrst> ahh well me too
[18:02]  * wrst wonders why the cronjob of setting his clock has not been working
[18:03] <cyberanger> what's the entry look like
[18:03] <wrst> ha well i don't have an entry cyberanger, that's why!
[18:03] <wrst> must have done that before i had to reinstall
[18:03] <cyberanger> and how do you set that in  a gui?
[18:03] <cyberanger> well, that would do it
[18:04] <wrst> ok i have it set now hopefully that will keep me up to date after 34 days i was behind 4 minutes
[18:06] <cyberanger> wrst: are you using ntpdate (sounds like it
[18:06] <cyberanger> )
[18:07] <wrst> yes i am
[18:07] <wrst> is there a better option cyberanger?
[18:07] <cyberanger> ntpd
[18:08] <wrst> hmm didn't really think about there being an option :)
[18:09] <netritious> just bought the domain linux 4sissies.org
[18:10] <netritious> j/k :)
[18:13] <cyberanger> wrst: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime
[18:13] <cyberanger> netritious: that gets into your options, but ntp is really the best
[18:14] <netritious> cyberanger: you meant wrst I bet
[18:15] <cyberanger> yeah, I did, whopps
[18:16] <wrst> ha ha i got it thnks cyberanger :)
[18:16] <cyberanger> netritious: that domain, should it be a .com, blog about converting to linux
[18:17] <cyberanger> ( for dummies is already taken, after all ;-))
[18:19] <netritious> hehe
[18:23] <netritious> cyberanger: do you use vncserver/Xvnc?
[18:23] <cyberanger> ssh
[18:23] <netritious> lol, I know you use ssh
[18:24] <wrst> netritious: cyberanger is having to make up for past smart alicisms that he has missed today
[18:24] <netritious> everyone, raise your hand if you use ssh o/
[18:24] <cyberanger> well, with irssi, weechat, mutt, elinks, vlc (-I ncurses) rtorrent
[18:24] <cyberanger> what else do I need ;-)
[18:25] <netritious> reminds me of Mrs Slocum? saying "..and I'm unanimous in that!"
[18:25] <netritious> Are You Being Served
[18:25] <cyberanger> oh, why a nice tool to manage it, screen, maybe a volume app, alsamixer, and a network manager, wicd-curses ;-)
[18:26] <netritious> wicd wasn't for me
[18:26] <cyberanger> no need for vnc, with all that
[18:26] <netritious> oh I agree, but I like options
[18:26] <cyberanger> netritious: what did you try it on, what version, ncurses or gtk
[18:27] <netritious> gtk
[18:27] <cyberanger> hrm, no clue on version ?
[18:27] <netritious> whatever is in repos for 10.04
[18:28] <netritious> doesn't manage bridged networking, at least not that I could tell
[18:28] <cyberanger> what was the shortfall for you
[18:28] <netritious> ^
[18:28] <cyberanger> ah, yeah, bridged networking, dunno if network-manager can do that either though
[18:28] <netritious> that and it did not apply a configuration until after I logged in, which makes sense to some degree
[18:28] <netritious> with gdm/gnome and all
[18:29] <netritious> it doesn't
[18:29] <netritious> I manage it manually
[18:29] <netritious> /etc/network/interfaces
[18:29] <netritious> easy enough :)
[18:29] <cyberanger> yeah, and I think the config bit is probally a safe idea
[18:30] <netritious> yeah
[18:30] <cyberanger> esp since you have network passwords there, and can have an encrypted home
[18:30] <cyberanger> means it won't complain if you use the file from $HOME
[18:31] <netritious> I just created a menu link for "Network Interfaces" mapped to gksudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[18:31] <netritious> otherwise I use nano, can use vi is desperate
[18:31] <netritious> *if desperate
[18:32] <netritious> =not without a cheatsheet
[18:32] <netritious> I remember most of vi commands, but not enough sometimes lol
[18:32] <netritious> I always end up looking something up
[18:34] <netritious> anyways I like being able to start gdm/gnome from afar if needed OR create a one-time vnc session for gnome
[18:34] <cyberanger> vi isn't something I'm a fan of, luckily I don't need to be
[18:34] <netritious> the end goal is to tunnel it through ssh
[18:35] <wrst> cyberanger: i really don't understand vi and nano is so easy to use, is there any advantage to vi?
[18:36] <netritious> vi is available on any *nix
[18:36] <cyberanger> wrst: when it's already on the freebsd computers I've worked with, and nano's not
[18:36] <netritious> if you know vi you can get around on most if not all *nix
[18:36] <wrst> ok i understand that then :\
[18:36] <cyberanger> to compile or not to compile, that is the question
[18:36]  * wrst might need to learn how to use the confusing thing
[18:37] <cyberanger> wrst: or have a cheetsheet and a loaded gun nearby
[18:37] <wrst> yeah
[18:37] <cyberanger> (the gun is for the computer, useful tool to put it out of it's misery)
[18:39] <netritious> I never compile on linux unless I have to
[18:39] <cyberanger> netritious: and bsd?
[18:40] <netritious> I use ports :)
[18:40] <netritious> on pfsense I use pkg_add though
[18:40] <cyberanger> still compiling
[18:40] <netritious> but pfsense isn't exactly freebsd
[18:41] <netritious> pkg_add is for pre-compiled binaries
[18:41] <netritious> that you get form a package repo like using apt
[18:41] <netritious> *from
[18:43] <cyberanger> well, it's not freebsd being key
[18:43] <netritious> now that I think about it I guess you can pkg_add src lol
[18:44] <netritious> pkg_add is pkg_add on both freebsd and pfsense
[18:45]  * wrst 's head is spinning he just likes checking email and social networking sites from home
[18:45] <netritious> http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.1-release/Latest/
[18:47] <netritious> I'm really out of touch with freebsd other than pfsense implementation of it, which was originally based m0n0wall project, which uses PHP for the system init, which makes it "not really freebsd"
[18:48] <cyberanger> wrst: ouch, social networking, really :-?
[18:48] <netritious> hehe
[18:48] <cyberanger> (at least your using a secure os, compared to most)
[18:48] <wrst> no not really cyberanger
[18:48] <wrst> just being a punk
[18:49] <cyberanger> (at least your using a secure os, compared to most)
[18:49] <netritious> lol
[18:49] <wrst> cyberanger: i have actually been incorporating ubuntu a lot more here at work
[18:51] <cyberanger> cool
[18:51] <cyberanger> 95% or ...
[18:51] <wrst> yes especially printint to pdf, making pdf's scanning that type of thing
[18:51] <wrst> oh more like the 5% but...
[18:55]  * cyberanger wonders about wrst sometimes
[18:55] <wrst> i wonder about me sometimes cyberanger
[18:56] <netritious> Is it naive to think a modern OS is what makes a system secure or not?
[18:56] <cyberanger> intresting, it's easier to mess with a propitery document format with open souce tools
[18:56] <wrst> it is for me cyberanger, and go figure that out
[18:57] <cyberanger> netritious: depends, name a modern windows based OS ;-)
[18:57] <netritious> modern=release in the last 2 years lol
[18:58] <netritious> well, let's say 1-1.5 years
[18:58] <cyberanger> I think when kept up to date, continuously, and otherwise properly setup and maintained, yes
[18:58] <cyberanger> which means windows fails that on my markers
[18:58] <netritious> hehe
[18:58] <wrst> cyberanger: really if you are smart and have users set up in the right way windows can be ok
[18:59] <wrst> but that rarely ever happens
[18:59] <cyberanger> and your users still is where alot of the mess is
[18:59] <netritious> cyberanger: that was the point I was making
[19:00] <cyberanger> and the level of out of the box support, to lock it down, that's where I fault windows
[19:00] <netritious> +1 wrst for his observation :)
[19:00] <cyberanger> netritious: for linux, things are more or less locked down to home
[19:01] <cyberanger> I agree the users still pose risk, but the level for a clumsby user is deluser and adduser
[19:01] <cyberanger> and done
[19:01] <netritious> firewall is disabled by default, well there are no rules, in ubuntu 10.04
[19:02] <netritious> firewall enabled by default on windows since XP SP2
[19:02] <netritious> just sayin' lol
[19:02] <wrst> netritious: i thought ufw was installed and enabled by default?
[19:02] <netritious> it is but there are no rules
[19:02] <cyberanger> netritious: but no network services listening in distros
[19:02] <netritious> and no not enabled I don't think
[19:03] <netritious> cyberanger: install a package and you might, or run some script and you might
[19:03] <cyberanger> well, ubuntu enables dhcp, unfortunately, overlooked that
[19:03] <netritious> winders does to
[19:03] <wrst> netritious: i've just noticed when installing certain packages it does things to ufw
[19:04] <cyberanger> yeah, but the administrator should be the one setting up the network and running sudo
[19:05] <netritious> joe bob 9-5'er user doesn't know anything about that stuff
[19:05] <cyberanger> debian has nothing listening, and netinst and altinst is more refined on ubuntu
[19:05] <netritious> that stuff=admin
[19:06] <cyberanger> netritious: true, but he should
[19:06] <cyberanger> same on windows
[19:06] <cyberanger> it'd be like owning a car but you don't know how to change a flat
[19:07] <netritious> changing a flat and a BSOD or grub> prompt not the same lol
[19:08] <netritious> plenty people know how to change tires without being a mechanic
[19:09] <wrst> ok netritious looking is ufw enabled on the desktop?
[19:09] <netritious> I know it's installed, but it is not to the best of my knowledge enabled in any way
[19:09] <cyberanger> netritious: I'm not saying you need to be an admin either
[19:09] <netritious> easiest way to tell...
[19:10] <netritious> sudo iptables -L
[19:10] <netritious> if you don't see any rules then traffic is flowing freely
[19:10] <cyberanger> know about malware's common vectors, and why not running as root for everything is good
[19:10] <wrst> ok netritious
[19:10]  * wrst heads to look
[19:11] <cyberanger> sudo iptbles and netstat --inet -l are a useful match
[19:11] <cyberanger> netritious: and for everything else, consulte your "mechanic"
[19:11] <netritious> yeah ain't that the truth cyberanger
[19:12] <wrst> yep just confirmed on my server will check desktop when i have it fired back up, glad i have a firewall on my router atleast :\
[19:12] <netritious> got to hand it to some people trying to figure it out on their  own but sometimes they just make a bad thing worse
[19:13] <wrst> netritious:  like me and painting at my house sometimes its better to hire a pro
[19:13] <netritious> I like netstat --inet -ln
[19:13] <netritious> hehe
[19:13] <cyberanger> wrst: but where's the fun in that
[19:13] <netritious> well nothing like learning everyday
[19:14] <netritious> I enjoy it...most of the time :)
[19:14] <cyberanger> netritious: netstat -alvenc
[19:14] <cyberanger> netritious: netstat --inet -alvenc
[19:14] <cyberanger> that's my fav
[19:15] <netritious> heh good one cyberanger
[19:17] <cyberanger> crud, bind9 got a bad update, fried rndc, and my lan domain in the process
[19:17] <netritious> that sucks cyberanger
[19:18] <cyberanger> netritious: it's useful when something is just hammering you, built in tool, togo with you built in firewall
[19:23] <cyberanger> netritious: the annoying part is it took out my local mirror
[19:23] <cyberanger> indirectly
[19:24] <cyberanger> since it's based on the domain name
[19:24]  * cyberanger goes to add a (temporary) hosts entry
[19:25] <cyberanger> this'll be back up in 5 minutes or less, just should have been less, computers know binary, how's zero downtime look :-/
[19:44] <wrst> Xpistos: its you again?
[19:45] <Xpistos> yep
[19:45] <wrst> goodness thought we were through with you for the day :P
[19:48] <cyberanger> servers back up
[19:48] <cyberanger> woot
[19:48] <cyberanger> wrst: ouch, that hurts over here for some reason, right next to my splean
[19:50] <wrst> cyberanger:  that was only directed towards Xpistos :)
[19:50] <cyberanger> thus my suprise, your aim is off
[19:52] <wrst> but cyberanger i like you... Xpistos... nah not so much :D
[19:53] <Xpistos> Yeah cyberanger
[19:53] <Xpistos> He likes you  ... me not so much
[19:53] <cyberanger> lol
[19:53] <wrst> ha ha nah Xpistos i like you too... cyberanger is just smarter than we are so we have to suck up :)
[19:54] <Xpistos> I don't, i just have to offer him a podcast for that
[19:54] <wrst> h aha :)
[20:08]  * cyberanger wonders how everybody is doing today
[20:15] <wrst> i'm a little bit of a pain in th e  rear today cyberanger :)
[20:18] <cyberanger> wrst: uh, glad to hear it
[20:18] <cyberanger> I think
[20:20] <wrst> ha ha well i always am
[20:50] <chibihogoshino> its so quiet i can hear my self think..
[21:13] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: it's so quiet in here I can hear a ping drop
[21:13] <chibihogoshino> lol
[21:13] <chibihogoshino> what about a pong
[21:15] <cyberanger> suppose so
[21:15] <cyberanger> never too worried about a pong
[21:16] <wrst> chibihogoshino: :P
[21:17]  * wrst makes a weak attempt to liven things up
[21:17] <chibihogoshino> heh
[21:17] <chibihogoshino> its manga day
[22:33] <techMiles> hey guiz
[23:13] <wrst> hey techMiles!
[23:13] <techMiles> :D
[23:13] <wrst> what's up?
[23:14] <techMiles> Not a lot here. working on my actionlist.
[23:14] <techMiles> aka todolist. but stuff I can actually DO. lol
[23:15] <cyberanger> lol
[23:15] <wrst> hmm good perspective i generally work on my... stuff i will never do list :)
[23:16] <techMiles> yeah
[23:16] <techMiles> I have one of those
[23:16] <techMiles> :D
[23:16] <techMiles> thus why I differentiate
[23:16] <wrst> ha ha techMiles i need to reconsider my list organization!
[23:16] <techMiles> yeah
[23:17]  * wrst considers sending all his list to techMiles for organization
[23:17] <techMiles> mine was inspired by reading so much about productivity and lists (that it actually interfered WITH my productivity. how's that irony for ya), and a professor of mine who uses that actionlist.
[23:17] <techMiles> wrst: lmao. I don't know what you can/can't do. but I can try and work on it. xD
[23:17] <wrst> :)
[23:17] <wrst> oh laziness is my culprit techMiles
[23:18] <techMiles> actionlist #1) Consulting fee to tech.miles@gmail.com paypal. $200.
[23:18] <wrst> ha ha
[23:18] <wrst> that will help me get over my laziness and do it myself!
[23:18] <wrst> :)
[23:19] <techMiles> actionlist #2) reverse-psychology therapist. fee to tech.miles paypal. $50.
[23:19] <techMiles> actionlist #3) never getting anything done on your lists. Priceless
[23:20] <wrst> :)
[23:22]  * wrst has not seen the great blizzard part 6 of 2011 yet
[23:25] <elijah-mbp> it really started snowing hard when i went to wally world earlier, wrst.
[23:25] <wrst> elijah-mbp: milk and bread??? :)
[23:25] <elijah-mbp> ham, milk, hamburger helper, and DIET SODA.
[23:25] <elijah-mbp> diet soda was the real important part of that.
[23:25]  * wrst notices the all caps diet soda as he is chugging a fat filled Dr. Pepper
[23:26] <elijah-mbp> haha
[23:26] <wrst> elijah-mbp: i have never completely figured out the milk and bread rush on stores especially when we are getting a meager 1-3"
[23:26] <elijah-mbp> <-- diabetic, can't drink the real stuff anymore
[23:26] <wrst> but now hamburger and what not... i fully understand that :)
[23:26]  * techMiles can't drink diet.
[23:26] <techMiles> The artificial sweeteners give me a migraine
[23:44] <netritious> dinner time..cya later alligators