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agateauafiestas__: a few remarks regarding your mockup,07:38
agateauafiestas__: the Encrypt checkbox should have a label on the right so that it's easier to click07:38
agateauafiestas__: you probably want two Password fields, for confirmation07:38
agateauafiestas__: the Password fields should be indented as I assume they are only enabled if Encrypt is checked07:39
agateauafiestas__: I like the fact that the FS is selected in a "Compatibility" combobox that sounds less techy07:40
agateauafiestas__: Is it possible to use encryption for all FS? (ie encryption on FAT sounds dubious)07:40
agateauafiestas__: you may want to put Capacity and Used Space in a separate group, and place it above "Format options"07:42
agateauafiestas__: maybe with a nice filled bar, like the one Dolphin uses in its statusbars07:42
agateauthat's it for now :)07:43
agateauoh and "Advance Mode" => "Advanced Mode"07:43
jussiRiddell: ping08:19
jussiRiddell: Ive changed the way my blog feeds work, could you update the planet kde config to use http://jussi01.com/category/kde/feed/ for me? 08:20
agateauRiddell: I see you renamed libindicate-qt0 to libindicate-qt1, was this necessary? iirc version 0.2.5.91 is BC with 0.2.508:22
agateauRiddell: and it breaks kmail and plasma-widget-message-indicator (they probably need a rebuild)08:23
Riddellagateau: it's a belated change, the SONAME has been 1 for some time and the packaged should have changed then08:31
agateauRiddell: oh right08:32
agateauRiddell: are kmail and plasma-widget-message-indicator being rebuilt?08:32
agateauRiddell: or did their build fail?08:33
Riddellagateau: I just clicked rebuild on plasma-widget-message-indicator08:33
RiddellI'll upload kdepim now08:33
tazzRiddell, what goes in the documentation ? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo08:35
agateauRiddell: great, thanks08:35
tazzdo we copy the documentations right from kde upstream ?08:35
agateauRiddell: new kdepim? (4.4.10?)08:35
* tazz was looking into doing the remaining documentation....08:35
* tazz goes to rtfm08:35
Riddelltazz: application documentation comes from upstream, we also have kubuntu-docs which is written by kubuntu people08:36
tazzah i see...08:37
Riddelltazz: for kubuntu-docs I though it's in bzr co lp:kubuntu-docs  and you want to talk to DarkwingDuck 08:38
Riddelland see the todo for the status https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo08:38
* tazz waves at DarkwingDuck 08:38
tazzRiddell, yes i am on that page...08:38
Riddellhe's in the US so he's probably fast asleep for a while08:38
tazzheh, sunny California.08:40
bambeehey08:55
Riddellbonjour bambee 08:56
nigelbQuintasan: Hey for your session, can you talk to jml on #launchpad.  I talked to the lp team and a few people are willing to help.08:56
bambeeRiddell: hehe ;)08:56
Riddelljussi: planet updated08:57
jussiRiddell: thanks09:02
bambeeplasma-widget-message-indicator should be rebuild to change its runtime dependency to libindicate-qt1, nop ?09:02
Riddellbambee: already has been https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-message-indicator/0.5.7-0ubuntu1  should appear in the archive in half an hour09:05
bambeenice :)09:05
bambeeok09:05
nigelbjussi: hey, ping?09:05
jussinigelb: pong09:06
nigelbjussi: hey, bot devel want to talk about stuff at UDW?09:06
nigelbjussi: I've been failing at helping with the trivia bot09:06
nigelbProbably a nice way to talk about tcl and recruit people for it.09:07
jussinigelb: best to talk to tsimpson. I own the bot and help where i can, but tsimpson is the real main man.09:07
nigelbyessir, will do :)09:07
Riddellit's written in tcl?  people use tcl?09:11
nigelbeggdrop is tcl I think09:12
RiddellI should probably know that, I run eggdrop09:12
nigelbheh09:12
Riddellyay, owncloud working! http://ec2-50-17-22-55.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/09:47
Riddellgo test, jr/foo09:49
jussiRiddell: ubottu is not tcl, thank god09:49
jussi!info supybot09:50
ubottusupybot (source: supybot): robust and user friendly Python IRC bot. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.83.4.1.ds-2 (maverick), package size 430 kB, installed size 2676 kB09:50
Riddellclever ubottu 09:50
jussiRiddell: we even have cloning instructions :D09:50
jussi!botclone09:50
ubottuUbottu uses supybot, which is available in the main !repositories, with additional plugins that are available at http://ubottu.com/clone.html - to help out with ubottu development please join #ubuntu-bots-devel :)09:50
nigelbjussi: but triviabot is tcl right?09:51
jussinigelb: no idea - ryanakca does it.09:51
nigelbIt is, I remember ryan telling me its eggdrop09:51
Riddellwhat's wrong with this dialogue?  http://ec2-50-17-22-55.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/files/open_file.php?dir=&file=webdav-dialogue.png09:53
Riddellnote the instructions and the button text09:53
jussiRiddell: whoops09:55
jussiRiddell: instructions differ from the button text. nice catch09:55
jussiRiddell: have you got itto work with dolphin?09:58
Riddelljussi: yes but that dialogue isn't very clear09:59
jussi RiddellI have my own owncloud, but I still fail at getting dolphin to work with it+webdav09:59
Riddelljussi: well does this work in dolphin?  webdav://jr@ec2-50-17-22-55.compute-1.amazonaws.com:80/owncloud/webdav/owncloud.php10:00
jussinever mind, fixed it: http://www.mail-archive.com/owncloud@kde.org/msg00026.html - this was how I needed to do it.10:01
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Riddellrevu needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/owncloud10:22
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* Riddell nudges maco into revu-ing10:30
bambeewhile giving some help to shadeslayer, I'll also work on language-selector (I mean both in parallel)10:46
Riddellbambee: do you know what needs to be done?10:46
bambeekcm integration into systemsettings->localisation ?10:47
bambeelocalization *10:48
Riddellyep10:49
Riddellwhich will take porting to policykit/kauth first10:49
Riddellalthough much of its functionality could be done through kpackagekit (most privilaged operations are just package installs)10:49
Riddellalso review features compared to the gtk frontend10:49
valorieRiddell: just read your email about project neon10:50
valorieI'll help with the dot article, etc. once techbase is updated10:50
valorieor work with shadeslayer etc.10:50
bambeeRiddell: ok10:50
valorieI'll check with shadeslayer tomorrow10:51
Riddellthanks valorie 10:55
bambeeRiddell: Added in my todo, I'll try to do my best :)11:09
Riddellneversfelde: what's the status of bug 683439 ?11:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 683439 in kdeedu (Ubuntu) "split kalgebra mobile" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68343911:10
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shadeslayervalorie: sure i'm free tomorrow .... :)12:32
Riddellshadeslayer: and you think neon will be ready to annonce?12:32
shadeslayerwell ... it works, you can login etc ... PIM does not work, so apart from that it's good to go imo12:32
shadeslayeryofel: Quintasan_ ^^ opinions12:33
Riddellshadeslayer: is the techbase page up to date?12:33
shadeslayerA bit of it is outdated12:33
yofelRiddell: I'll have that done till tomorrow, it's mostly done12:34
shadeslayerRiddell: did you read about the nokia internal memo on engadget?12:35
yofelother than that, kdepim doesn't work right until we work out akonadi, and I have no idea if anything related to python actually works or not (rather not)12:35
yofelbesides that, it works12:35
shadeslayeroh and i still have to start kwin manually ...12:36
shadeslayerdunno about you guys12:36
yofelWFM last time I tried it12:37
Riddellyofel: yeah so we just warn people not to install kdepim12:38
Riddellshadeslayer: all rumours until tomorrow12:38
shadeslayeryep12:38
shadeslayerhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/09/nokia-meego-idUSLDE7180X420110209 << :S12:39
Riddellthat doesn't tell us much except that meego is going slower than hoped, which is well known12:40
KRFshadeslayer: fyi, there's already a follow-up on that article on reuters12:40
shadeslayeryeah .... it's wait and watch12:40
shadeslayerKRF: oh ... lemme look12:41
KRFbut still, rumours...12:41
shadeslayeryeah12:41
shadeslayeri do hope they don't drop it12:41
shadeslayeri'd say go for Android till Meego is fully usable12:42
RiddellI'd say go with Kubuntu12:43
RiddellI expect that's what their secret plan is12:43
shadeslayerhehehe .... 12:44
shadeslayerone can only hope :)12:44
* shadeslayer needs to get his LCD Panel replaced12:46
=== Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan
QuintasanRiddell, shadeslayer, yofel: Yes, we can release tomorrow. SIP needs to get installed in /opt/project-neon, right?14:09
* Quintasan has winter holidays like in two days so he can work on appearing bugs14:11
yofelwell yes, that's probably the most annoying issue for maverick currently14:11
QuintasanIt's maverick only issue?14:11
yofelwell, we don't need to backport it for natty...14:12
QuintasanWhat happens if we backport new SIP?14:12
yofelwe need to rebuild pykde14:12
QuintasanCan't we rebuild both SIP and PyKDE in our PPA?14:12
QuintasanI can imagine something will break14:12
yofelmaybe just drop SIP in neon completely as we don't have pykde currently anyway14:13
yofelQuintasan: sure, how do you put rebuilds for all available kdebindings versions for maverick into one ppa?14:13
QuintasanWurgh14:13
Quintasanno thanks14:13
yofelsee14:13
QuintasanWell, still noone wants to touch qtscriptgenerator14:13
yofeleasiest workaround currently is to use kubuntu-ppa/backports with neon, but not everyone will probably want to do that14:14
QuintasanI will do this tomorrow or the day after14:14
yofelQuintasan: I can build amarok fine in natty without neon, with neon I get a link error in the taglib cmake test14:14
yofelso we would need to fix our tagblib first I guess..14:16
nigelbQuintasan: hey14:27
Riddellshadeslayer: did you get your patch to KDM in?14:57
shadeslayerRiddell: not yet, i cloned the repo today, still reading up on KAuth and finding the Gnome bits15:04
shadeslayerapachelogger says the patch is not complete :>15:04
shadeslayersadly project-neon-kdebase-apps depends on too many things :(15:05
shadeslayerwell ... i could just dirty my /opt/project-neon and it will be fixed by dpkg later on15:06
Riddellanyone know how kdm choses its default theme?15:08
shadeslayeryofel: don't think we ship pykde15:08
shadeslayerafiestas: have a look at gnome-disk-utility15:12
shadeslayerthey got it right imo15:13
afiestasshadeslayer: okiz15:13
afiestastoday Uninstall will show me KFormat which seems that it already is kinda working15:13
afiestasusing udisk and so on, so with a little bit of luck I will have only to write a new interface, or modify the curret one15:13
shadeslayer:)15:14
shadeslayergreat ... now i'm getting SMS Spam -.-15:15
* Riddell works it out15:16
Riddellah, maco, good morning16:34
Riddelldebfx: best update the /topic too16:41
=== debfx changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Friendliest Community on Earth | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | alpha 3 bugs http://goo.gl/yGhJd | kubuntu-dev meeting on Friday 22:00 UTC
shadeslayerRiddell: can you haz a look at dcmtk ?16:46
Riddellshadeslayer: yes in a bit16:46
shadeslayerok :)16:46
Riddelldebfx: incase I forget (shouldn't do but you never know) call me, jriddell.org/contact.html16:46
debfxRiddell: okay16:48
shadeslayerhahah16:48
shadeslayerhttp://fluffy.jussi01.com/16:48
shadeslayerapachelogger: ^^ Ubottu now owns fluffy?16:49
Riddellmaco: so, fancy reviewing my owncloud package?17:22
* maco wonders how big a package it is17:22
macoi dont mind doing it, just wonder whether i can do it from home or need to find decent wifi17:23
Riddellit's weeny17:23
macook17:25
macothere's a new official chinese version of ubuntu apparently17:25
macothis was not mentioned on ubuntu-devel ml!17:25
Riddellyes, that did surprise me too17:28
Riddellthat'll be freeflying at work17:29
afiestasRiddell: did you test Kamoso last 2.0 code?17:49
Riddellafiestas: I tested alpha 217:50
Riddellif that's what you're asking?17:51
afiestasRiddell: nope, pre-alpha3 would be 17:52
afiestas(or it may be beta1)17:52
afiestasit should fit in your laptop17:52
Riddellafiestas: where can I find it?17:52
afiestasgit.kde.org/kamoso17:53
afiestasshadeslayer: I'm taking a look at gnome-disk-utility isn't it too advanced?17:54
afiestasI'm mean,  sure we need in kde something like that, for what I wanted to do is something way simpler17:54
debfxafiestas: why is the bluedevil menu entry in the Internet category? shouldn't it be in System?17:59
afiestasdebfx: in fact, I'm thinking on remove the entry for 1.118:04
afiestasbluedevil is something "system wide" so there is no point on executing it18:04
Riddellafiestas: I just submitted a fix to kamoso, now I feel elite18:09
afiestasRiddell: thanks, I forgot to that that patch18:11
afiestascommit the fixed in 2.0 though, and then forward to master18:11
Riddellafiestas: kamoso works nicely on my netbook now thanks18:12
Riddelldoesn't work on my new laptop though, no camera image18:12
afiestasRiddell: even the last 2.0 code?18:12
afiestaswith 2.0 I mean 2.0 branch on git 18:13
debfxafiestas: the bluedevil tray icon is autostarted anyway, right?18:13
Riddellafiestas: git checkout remotes/origin/2.0  ?18:14
debfxRiddell: is the akonadi tray useful to the average user? I think we should move it into an own package18:14
afiestasdebfx: yes, by BlueDevil kded (only starts it if there is a bleutooth adapter)18:14
afiestasRiddell: yes18:14
afiestasif it is not working, can you provide me the terminal output?18:14
Riddelldebfx: I agree18:15
debfxafiestas: are you sure? bluedevil is running in my natty VM18:15
afiestasdebfx: I'm sure18:16
Riddellafiestas: http://paste.kde.org/4478/  nothing useful18:17
* Riddell goes out canoeing18:17
debfxafiestas: the kcm says no bluetooth adaper found but the service and tray icon are running18:17
afiestasRiddell: enable Kamoso debug area18:17
afiestasin kdebugdialog18:17
afiestasdebfx:  close it, restart the VM and tell me if it is autoexecuted again18:18
afiestasmaybe (I don't know how these things work) the default KDE session included in Natty has it18:19
debfxRiddell: have fun :)18:20
debfxafiestas: I always start with an empty session, it's still autostarted18:22
debfxwhen I disable bluedevil in the kcm it's not autostarted anymore18:23
afiestasdebfx: kdebugdialog --fullmode18:23
afiestasselect kded, output to a file18:23
afiestas(enable bd again in the kcm), and reboot (logout/login)18:24
afiestaswell, you can restart kded4 :p18:24
afiestasand if you prefer, copy/paste the output to paste.kde.org18:24
debfxhow am I supposed to find kded4 in that huge dropdown list? ^^18:30
afiestasdebfx: ok, forget about that18:31
afiestasexecute18:31
afiestaskdebugdialog (withotu arguments)18:31
afiestassearch for kded, activate it18:31
afiestasgo to a terminal, and execute18:31
afiestas"killall -9 kded4; kded4 --nofork"18:32
afiestasand paste the output in paste.kde.org for example18:32
DarkwingDuckRiddell: was tazz someone new?18:33
debfxafiestas: that's much easier, thanks :)18:33
debfxafiestas: http://paste.kde.org/4480/18:33
afiestasdebfx: sorry my mistake (I was preparing a coffee :p)18:34
afiestasdebfx: not enough information mmm activate everything "bluedevil" :p18:34
debfxafiestas: no such thing in the list18:36
afiestasin kded, you have both, the one with the number18:37
afiestasand the one without it?18:38
DarkwingDucktazz, I was just talking about you. :P18:39
afiestasdebfx: ok, there is no need for that18:39
afiestasI'm just checking the code, and don't tell me why but bluedevil-monolithic is always executed :(18:39
tazzDarkwingDuck, consider me, the devil :p18:39
DarkwingDucktazz: Not if you are asking about documentation I wont. :P:P18:40
tazzDarkwingDuck, i was...18:40
tazzDarkwingDuck, i write documentation for kde, i was wondering how i could help out...18:40
afiestasdebfx: I will fix that for 1.1 (the one that Natty will include)18:41
tazzdamn... xchat crashed...18:42
DarkwingDuckWelcome back... xchat?18:42
tazzDarkwingDuck, yea.. stupid reason dont ask :)18:42
DarkwingDucktazz: :) You use BZR?18:42
tazzDarkwingDuck, nope...18:43
DarkwingDuckBZR is the version control system that we use.18:44
DarkwingDucktaz apt-get install bzr18:44
DarkwingDucktazz: ^^18:44
DarkwingDucktazz: it intergrates with Launchpad very very well. :)18:45
tazzwhat do ya know, i already have it installed... must be using it a year a go or somthing...18:45
DarkwingDuck:) 18:45
tazz:p18:45
DarkwingDucktazz: bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs18:45
tazzcool, so i should pull the documentations ?18:45
DarkwingDucktazz: the Todo list is found at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Natty18:46
tazzgot it...18:46
DarkwingDucktazz: we use docbook for the docs.18:47
tazznice, so does kde...18:47
DarkwingDuckAwesome.18:47
DarkwingDuckactually... I've been wanted to help with KDE docs :)18:47
DarkwingDuckSo will will be mutual bentificial18:47
jjessekde docs use docbook as well18:48
tazzDarkwingDuck, thats cool...18:48
DarkwingDuckHey jjesse 18:48
DarkwingDucktazz: jjesse is another one of our senior doc gurus18:48
tazzhello jjesse!18:48
DarkwingDuckSpeaking of... that is what I am working on today jjesse more docs18:49
tazzDarkwingDuck, you should join the kde-doc-english ml18:49
DarkwingDuckJoined.18:49
jjessehiya tazz18:49
jjesseyay for doc work18:49
DarkwingDuckWe are actually running out of time.18:49
tazzso yea, that was one of my questions... do we use upstream docs for kde apps ?18:50
jjesseyes we do18:50
jjesseas much as we can18:50
jjesseDarkwingDuck when is doc freeze?18:50
DarkwingDuckApr 718:50
DarkwingDucktazz: our docs are more of an overview of what is installed with Kubuntu and how to manipulate/configure things.18:51
DarkwingDuckjjesse: the feature freeze is on the 24th18:52
tazzi see...18:52
jjessewhen is string freeze?18:53
DarkwingDuckjj Documentation String freeze is the Apr 718:53
DarkwingDuckjjesse: ^^ 18:53
DarkwingDucktab fail18:54
DarkwingDuckjjesse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule18:54
DarkwingDuckTranslations only have 14 days?18:54
jjesseapparently18:55
DarkwingDuckfail18:55
DarkwingDuckAnywho18:55
DarkwingDucktazz: any major questions?18:56
tazzDarkwingDuck, none at the moment, I am just checking out the kubuntu-docs folder18:57
DarkwingDucktazz: +1 what do you guys use for KDE docs?18:57
DarkwingDucktazz: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/en/18:58
DarkwingDucktazz: that will help understand bzr better. When you create a patch email myself (david.wonderly@kubuntu.org) or jjesse (jjesse@gmail.com) the diff and we will upload it.18:59
tazzDarkwingDuck, we use meinproc418:59
tazzhttp://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man8/meinproc4.8.html18:59
tazzbut we use meinproc4 from the kde trunk itself.19:00
DarkwingDuckAhhhh19:00
DarkwingDuckwhat do you use for svn?19:00
tazzDarkwingDuck, we are shifting from svn to git.19:00
tazzbut i just use commandline 19:00
tazzsvn up, svn co, svn update19:00
DarkwingDuckYeah, I use commandline for bzr too19:01
tazzit used to be svn+ssh19:01
tazzand svn+http19:01
tazzbut now everything is going under git.19:01
DarkwingDuckI think there is a GUI for bzr but, i've never used it.19:01
tazzah i see...19:01
DarkwingDuckWho does the Kubuntu website?19:25
DarkwingDuckRiddell: ping19:27
ari-tczewRiddell: look forward for sponsorship bug 71663919:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 716639 in ktorrent (Ubuntu) "Merge ktorrent 4.0.5-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71663919:43
blackmoon-105hi, my /usr/bin/X use a 80% of cpu  and slow all.. i'm under kubuntu 10.10 geeforce 6600GT  (driver nvidia-185   ver.  260.19.06)21:40
ScottKagateau: It looks to me like currently app menu doesn't work with gtk apps out of the box for us.  I assume we'd need to seed some additional packages.  Do you know what we'd need?21:52
JontheEchidnaworks w/ appmenu-gtk for me22:02
ari-tczewRiddell: could you sponsor this one for me as well? bug 71674822:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 716748 in lm-sensors-3 (Ubuntu) "Sync lm-sensors-3 1:3.2.0-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71674822:42
ryanakcaDarkwingDuck: It depends on what you want, if you want a story added, several people around here have the password to the site, if you want a change to the appearance, I think ofirk or shadeslayer are working on it.22:43
Riddellblackmoon-105: we're not really X people, best to ask in the x channel or mailing list22:43
Riddellari-tczew: e-mail me, I'll get them in the morning22:44
ari-tczewRiddell: yeah!22:44
ari-tczewRiddell: done22:45
blackmoon-105Riddell: ok, i ask yo x channel. i've asked here because i tought it was related with kde423:10
valorieshadeslayer: ping23:51

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