[07:38] afiestas__: a few remarks regarding your mockup, [07:38] afiestas__: the Encrypt checkbox should have a label on the right so that it's easier to click [07:38] afiestas__: you probably want two Password fields, for confirmation [07:39] afiestas__: the Password fields should be indented as I assume they are only enabled if Encrypt is checked [07:40] afiestas__: I like the fact that the FS is selected in a "Compatibility" combobox that sounds less techy [07:40] afiestas__: Is it possible to use encryption for all FS? (ie encryption on FAT sounds dubious) [07:42] afiestas__: you may want to put Capacity and Used Space in a separate group, and place it above "Format options" [07:42] afiestas__: maybe with a nice filled bar, like the one Dolphin uses in its statusbars [07:43] that's it for now :) [07:43] oh and "Advance Mode" => "Advanced Mode" [08:19] Riddell: ping [08:20] Riddell: Ive changed the way my blog feeds work, could you update the planet kde config to use http://jussi01.com/category/kde/feed/ for me? [08:22] Riddell: I see you renamed libindicate-qt0 to libindicate-qt1, was this necessary? iirc version 0.2.5.91 is BC with 0.2.5 [08:23] Riddell: and it breaks kmail and plasma-widget-message-indicator (they probably need a rebuild) [08:31] agateau: it's a belated change, the SONAME has been 1 for some time and the packaged should have changed then [08:32] Riddell: oh right [08:32] Riddell: are kmail and plasma-widget-message-indicator being rebuilt? [08:33] Riddell: or did their build fail? [08:33] agateau: I just clicked rebuild on plasma-widget-message-indicator [08:33] I'll upload kdepim now [08:35] Riddell, what goes in the documentation ? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [08:35] Riddell: great, thanks [08:35] do we copy the documentations right from kde upstream ? [08:35] Riddell: new kdepim? (4.4.10?) [08:35] * tazz was looking into doing the remaining documentation.... [08:35] * tazz goes to rtfm [08:36] tazz: application documentation comes from upstream, we also have kubuntu-docs which is written by kubuntu people [08:37] ah i see... [08:38] tazz: for kubuntu-docs I though it's in bzr co lp:kubuntu-docs and you want to talk to DarkwingDuck [08:38] and see the todo for the status https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [08:38] * tazz waves at DarkwingDuck [08:38] Riddell, yes i am on that page... [08:38] he's in the US so he's probably fast asleep for a while [08:40] heh, sunny California. [08:55] hey [08:56] bonjour bambee [08:56] Quintasan: Hey for your session, can you talk to jml on #launchpad. I talked to the lp team and a few people are willing to help. [08:56] Riddell: hehe ;) [08:57] jussi: planet updated [09:02] Riddell: thanks [09:02] plasma-widget-message-indicator should be rebuild to change its runtime dependency to libindicate-qt1, nop ? [09:05] bambee: already has been https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-message-indicator/0.5.7-0ubuntu1 should appear in the archive in half an hour [09:05] nice :) [09:05] ok [09:05] jussi: hey, ping? [09:06] nigelb: pong [09:06] jussi: hey, bot devel want to talk about stuff at UDW? [09:06] jussi: I've been failing at helping with the trivia bot [09:07] Probably a nice way to talk about tcl and recruit people for it. [09:07] nigelb: best to talk to tsimpson. I own the bot and help where i can, but tsimpson is the real main man. [09:07] yessir, will do :) [09:11] it's written in tcl? people use tcl? [09:12] eggdrop is tcl I think [09:12] I should probably know that, I run eggdrop [09:12] heh [09:47] yay, owncloud working! http://ec2-50-17-22-55.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/ [09:49] go test, jr/foo [09:49] Riddell: ubottu is not tcl, thank god [09:50] !info supybot [09:50] supybot (source: supybot): robust and user friendly Python IRC bot. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.83.4.1.ds-2 (maverick), package size 430 kB, installed size 2676 kB [09:50] clever ubottu [09:50] Riddell: we even have cloning instructions :D [09:50] !botclone [09:50] Ubottu uses supybot, which is available in the main !repositories, with additional plugins that are available at http://ubottu.com/clone.html - to help out with ubottu development please join #ubuntu-bots-devel :) [09:51] jussi: but triviabot is tcl right? [09:51] nigelb: no idea - ryanakca does it. [09:51] It is, I remember ryan telling me its eggdrop [09:53] what's wrong with this dialogue? http://ec2-50-17-22-55.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/files/open_file.php?dir=&file=webdav-dialogue.png [09:53] note the instructions and the button text [09:55] Riddell: whoops [09:55] Riddell: instructions differ from the button text. nice catch [09:58] Riddell: have you got itto work with dolphin? [09:59] jussi: yes but that dialogue isn't very clear [09:59] RiddellI have my own owncloud, but I still fail at getting dolphin to work with it+webdav [10:00] jussi: well does this work in dolphin? webdav://jr@ec2-50-17-22-55.compute-1.amazonaws.com:80/owncloud/webdav/owncloud.php [10:01] never mind, fixed it: http://www.mail-archive.com/owncloud@kde.org/msg00026.html - this was how I needed to do it. === hunger_ is now known as hunger [10:22] revu needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/owncloud === fabo_ is now known as fabo [10:30] * Riddell nudges maco into revu-ing [10:46] while giving some help to shadeslayer, I'll also work on language-selector (I mean both in parallel) [10:46] bambee: do you know what needs to be done? [10:47] kcm integration into systemsettings->localisation ? [10:48] localization * [10:49] yep [10:49] which will take porting to policykit/kauth first [10:49] although much of its functionality could be done through kpackagekit (most privilaged operations are just package installs) [10:49] also review features compared to the gtk frontend [10:50] Riddell: just read your email about project neon [10:50] I'll help with the dot article, etc. once techbase is updated [10:50] or work with shadeslayer etc. [10:50] Riddell: ok [10:51] I'll check with shadeslayer tomorrow [10:55] thanks valorie [11:09] Riddell: Added in my todo, I'll try to do my best :) [11:10] neversfelde: what's the status of bug 683439 ? [11:10] Launchpad bug 683439 in kdeedu (Ubuntu) "split kalgebra mobile" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683439 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:32] valorie: sure i'm free tomorrow .... :) [12:32] shadeslayer: and you think neon will be ready to annonce? [12:32] well ... it works, you can login etc ... PIM does not work, so apart from that it's good to go imo [12:33] yofel: Quintasan_ ^^ opinions [12:33] shadeslayer: is the techbase page up to date? [12:33] A bit of it is outdated [12:34] Riddell: I'll have that done till tomorrow, it's mostly done [12:35] Riddell: did you read about the nokia internal memo on engadget? [12:35] other than that, kdepim doesn't work right until we work out akonadi, and I have no idea if anything related to python actually works or not (rather not) [12:35] besides that, it works [12:36] oh and i still have to start kwin manually ... [12:36] dunno about you guys [12:37] WFM last time I tried it [12:38] yofel: yeah so we just warn people not to install kdepim [12:38] shadeslayer: all rumours until tomorrow [12:38] yep [12:39] http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/09/nokia-meego-idUSLDE7180X420110209 << :S [12:40] that doesn't tell us much except that meego is going slower than hoped, which is well known [12:40] shadeslayer: fyi, there's already a follow-up on that article on reuters [12:40] yeah .... it's wait and watch [12:41] KRF: oh ... lemme look [12:41] but still, rumours... [12:41] yeah [12:41] i do hope they don't drop it [12:42] i'd say go for Android till Meego is fully usable [12:43] I'd say go with Kubuntu [12:43] I expect that's what their secret plan is [12:44] hehehe .... [12:44] one can only hope :) [12:46] * shadeslayer needs to get his LCD Panel replaced === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:09] Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: Yes, we can release tomorrow. SIP needs to get installed in /opt/project-neon, right? [14:11] * Quintasan has winter holidays like in two days so he can work on appearing bugs [14:11] well yes, that's probably the most annoying issue for maverick currently [14:11] It's maverick only issue? [14:12] well, we don't need to backport it for natty... [14:12] What happens if we backport new SIP? [14:12] we need to rebuild pykde [14:12] Can't we rebuild both SIP and PyKDE in our PPA? [14:12] I can imagine something will break [14:13] maybe just drop SIP in neon completely as we don't have pykde currently anyway [14:13] Quintasan: sure, how do you put rebuilds for all available kdebindings versions for maverick into one ppa? [14:13] Wurgh [14:13] no thanks [14:13] see [14:13] Well, still noone wants to touch qtscriptgenerator [14:14] easiest workaround currently is to use kubuntu-ppa/backports with neon, but not everyone will probably want to do that [14:14] I will do this tomorrow or the day after [14:14] Quintasan: I can build amarok fine in natty without neon, with neon I get a link error in the taglib cmake test [14:16] so we would need to fix our tagblib first I guess.. [14:27] Quintasan: hey [14:57] shadeslayer: did you get your patch to KDM in? [15:04] Riddell: not yet, i cloned the repo today, still reading up on KAuth and finding the Gnome bits [15:04] apachelogger says the patch is not complete :> [15:05] sadly project-neon-kdebase-apps depends on too many things :( [15:06] well ... i could just dirty my /opt/project-neon and it will be fixed by dpkg later on [15:08] anyone know how kdm choses its default theme? [15:08] yofel: don't think we ship pykde [15:12] afiestas: have a look at gnome-disk-utility [15:13] they got it right imo [15:13] shadeslayer: okiz [15:13] today Uninstall will show me KFormat which seems that it already is kinda working [15:13] using udisk and so on, so with a little bit of luck I will have only to write a new interface, or modify the curret one [15:14] :) [15:15] great ... now i'm getting SMS Spam -.- [15:16] * Riddell works it out [16:34] ah, maco, good morning [16:41] debfx: best update the /topic too === debfx changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Friendliest Community on Earth | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | alpha 3 bugs http://goo.gl/yGhJd | kubuntu-dev meeting on Friday 22:00 UTC [16:46] Riddell: can you haz a look at dcmtk ? [16:46] shadeslayer: yes in a bit [16:46] ok :) [16:46] debfx: incase I forget (shouldn't do but you never know) call me, jriddell.org/contact.html [16:48] Riddell: okay [16:48] hahah [16:48] http://fluffy.jussi01.com/ [16:49] apachelogger: ^^ Ubottu now owns fluffy? [17:22] maco: so, fancy reviewing my owncloud package? [17:22] * maco wonders how big a package it is [17:23] i dont mind doing it, just wonder whether i can do it from home or need to find decent wifi [17:23] it's weeny [17:25] ok [17:25] there's a new official chinese version of ubuntu apparently [17:25] this was not mentioned on ubuntu-devel ml! [17:28] yes, that did surprise me too [17:29] that'll be freeflying at work [17:49] Riddell: did you test Kamoso last 2.0 code? [17:50] afiestas: I tested alpha 2 [17:51] if that's what you're asking? [17:52] Riddell: nope, pre-alpha3 would be [17:52] (or it may be beta1) [17:52] it should fit in your laptop [17:52] afiestas: where can I find it? [17:53] git.kde.org/kamoso [17:54] shadeslayer: I'm taking a look at gnome-disk-utility isn't it too advanced? [17:54] I'm mean, sure we need in kde something like that, for what I wanted to do is something way simpler [17:59] afiestas: why is the bluedevil menu entry in the Internet category? shouldn't it be in System? [18:04] debfx: in fact, I'm thinking on remove the entry for 1.1 [18:04] bluedevil is something "system wide" so there is no point on executing it [18:09] afiestas: I just submitted a fix to kamoso, now I feel elite [18:11] Riddell: thanks, I forgot to that that patch [18:11] commit the fixed in 2.0 though, and then forward to master [18:12] afiestas: kamoso works nicely on my netbook now thanks [18:12] doesn't work on my new laptop though, no camera image [18:12] Riddell: even the last 2.0 code? [18:13] with 2.0 I mean 2.0 branch on git [18:13] afiestas: the bluedevil tray icon is autostarted anyway, right? [18:14] afiestas: git checkout remotes/origin/2.0 ? [18:14] Riddell: is the akonadi tray useful to the average user? I think we should move it into an own package [18:14] debfx: yes, by BlueDevil kded (only starts it if there is a bleutooth adapter) [18:14] Riddell: yes [18:14] if it is not working, can you provide me the terminal output? [18:15] debfx: I agree [18:15] afiestas: are you sure? bluedevil is running in my natty VM [18:16] debfx: I'm sure [18:17] afiestas: http://paste.kde.org/4478/ nothing useful [18:17] * Riddell goes out canoeing [18:17] afiestas: the kcm says no bluetooth adaper found but the service and tray icon are running [18:17] Riddell: enable Kamoso debug area [18:17] in kdebugdialog [18:18] debfx: close it, restart the VM and tell me if it is autoexecuted again [18:19] maybe (I don't know how these things work) the default KDE session included in Natty has it [18:20] Riddell: have fun :) [18:22] afiestas: I always start with an empty session, it's still autostarted [18:23] when I disable bluedevil in the kcm it's not autostarted anymore [18:23] debfx: kdebugdialog --fullmode [18:23] select kded, output to a file [18:24] (enable bd again in the kcm), and reboot (logout/login) [18:24] well, you can restart kded4 :p [18:24] and if you prefer, copy/paste the output to paste.kde.org [18:30] how am I supposed to find kded4 in that huge dropdown list? ^^ [18:31] debfx: ok, forget about that [18:31] execute [18:31] kdebugdialog (withotu arguments) [18:31] search for kded, activate it [18:31] go to a terminal, and execute [18:32] "killall -9 kded4; kded4 --nofork" [18:32] and paste the output in paste.kde.org for example [18:33] Riddell: was tazz someone new? [18:33] afiestas: that's much easier, thanks :) [18:33] afiestas: http://paste.kde.org/4480/ [18:34] debfx: sorry my mistake (I was preparing a coffee :p) [18:34] debfx: not enough information mmm activate everything "bluedevil" :p [18:36] afiestas: no such thing in the list [18:37] in kded, you have both, the one with the number [18:38] and the one without it? [18:39] tazz, I was just talking about you. :P [18:39] debfx: ok, there is no need for that [18:39] I'm just checking the code, and don't tell me why but bluedevil-monolithic is always executed :( [18:39] DarkwingDuck, consider me, the devil :p [18:40] tazz: Not if you are asking about documentation I wont. :P:P [18:40] DarkwingDuck, i was... [18:40] DarkwingDuck, i write documentation for kde, i was wondering how i could help out... [18:41] debfx: I will fix that for 1.1 (the one that Natty will include) [18:42] damn... xchat crashed... [18:42] Welcome back... xchat? [18:42] DarkwingDuck, yea.. stupid reason dont ask :) [18:42] tazz: :) You use BZR? [18:43] DarkwingDuck, nope... [18:44] BZR is the version control system that we use. [18:44] taz apt-get install bzr [18:44] tazz: ^^ [18:45] tazz: it intergrates with Launchpad very very well. :) [18:45] what do ya know, i already have it installed... must be using it a year a go or somthing... [18:45] :) [18:45] :p [18:45] tazz: bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs [18:45] cool, so i should pull the documentations ? [18:46] tazz: the Todo list is found at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Natty [18:46] got it... [18:47] tazz: we use docbook for the docs. [18:47] nice, so does kde... [18:47] Awesome. [18:47] actually... I've been wanted to help with KDE docs :) [18:47] So will will be mutual bentificial [18:48] kde docs use docbook as well [18:48] DarkwingDuck, thats cool... [18:48] Hey jjesse [18:48] tazz: jjesse is another one of our senior doc gurus [18:48] hello jjesse! [18:49] Speaking of... that is what I am working on today jjesse more docs [18:49] DarkwingDuck, you should join the kde-doc-english ml [18:49] Joined. [18:49] hiya tazz [18:49] yay for doc work [18:49] We are actually running out of time. [18:50] so yea, that was one of my questions... do we use upstream docs for kde apps ? [18:50] yes we do [18:50] as much as we can [18:50] DarkwingDuck when is doc freeze? [18:50] Apr 7 [18:51] tazz: our docs are more of an overview of what is installed with Kubuntu and how to manipulate/configure things. [18:52] jjesse: the feature freeze is on the 24th [18:52] i see... [18:53] when is string freeze? [18:53] jj Documentation String freeze is the Apr 7 [18:53] jjesse: ^^ [18:54] tab fail [18:54] jjesse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule [18:54] Translations only have 14 days? [18:55] apparently [18:55] fail [18:55] Anywho [18:56] tazz: any major questions? [18:57] DarkwingDuck, none at the moment, I am just checking out the kubuntu-docs folder [18:57] tazz: +1 what do you guys use for KDE docs? [18:58] tazz: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/en/ [18:59] tazz: that will help understand bzr better. When you create a patch email myself (david.wonderly@kubuntu.org) or jjesse (jjesse@gmail.com) the diff and we will upload it. [18:59] DarkwingDuck, we use meinproc4 [18:59] http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man8/meinproc4.8.html [19:00] but we use meinproc4 from the kde trunk itself. [19:00] Ahhhh [19:00] what do you use for svn? [19:00] DarkwingDuck, we are shifting from svn to git. [19:00] but i just use commandline [19:00] svn up, svn co, svn update [19:01] Yeah, I use commandline for bzr too [19:01] it used to be svn+ssh [19:01] and svn+http [19:01] but now everything is going under git. [19:01] I think there is a GUI for bzr but, i've never used it. [19:01] ah i see... [19:25] Who does the Kubuntu website? [19:27] Riddell: ping [19:43] Riddell: look forward for sponsorship bug 716639 [19:43] Launchpad bug 716639 in ktorrent (Ubuntu) "Merge ktorrent 4.0.5-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716639 [21:40] hi, my /usr/bin/X use a 80% of cpu and slow all.. i'm under kubuntu 10.10 geeforce 6600GT (driver nvidia-185 ver. 260.19.06) [21:52] agateau: It looks to me like currently app menu doesn't work with gtk apps out of the box for us. I assume we'd need to seed some additional packages. Do you know what we'd need? [22:02] works w/ appmenu-gtk for me [22:41] Riddell: could you sponsor this one for me as well? bug 716748 [22:42] Launchpad bug 716748 in lm-sensors-3 (Ubuntu) "Sync lm-sensors-3 1:3.2.0-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716748 [22:43] DarkwingDuck: It depends on what you want, if you want a story added, several people around here have the password to the site, if you want a change to the appearance, I think ofirk or shadeslayer are working on it. [22:43] blackmoon-105: we're not really X people, best to ask in the x channel or mailing list [22:44] ari-tczew: e-mail me, I'll get them in the morning [22:44] Riddell: yeah! [22:45] Riddell: done [23:10] Riddell: ok, i ask yo x channel. i've asked here because i tought it was related with kde4 [23:51] shadeslayer: ping