[07:38] <agateau> afiestas__: a few remarks regarding your mockup,
[07:38] <agateau> afiestas__: the Encrypt checkbox should have a label on the right so that it's easier to click
[07:38] <agateau> afiestas__: you probably want two Password fields, for confirmation
[07:39] <agateau> afiestas__: the Password fields should be indented as I assume they are only enabled if Encrypt is checked
[07:40] <agateau> afiestas__: I like the fact that the FS is selected in a "Compatibility" combobox that sounds less techy
[07:40] <agateau> afiestas__: Is it possible to use encryption for all FS? (ie encryption on FAT sounds dubious)
[07:42] <agateau> afiestas__: you may want to put Capacity and Used Space in a separate group, and place it above "Format options"
[07:42] <agateau> afiestas__: maybe with a nice filled bar, like the one Dolphin uses in its statusbars
[07:43] <agateau> that's it for now :)
[07:43] <agateau> oh and "Advance Mode" => "Advanced Mode"
[08:19] <jussi> Riddell: ping
[08:20] <jussi> Riddell: Ive changed the way my blog feeds work, could you update the planet kde config to use http://jussi01.com/category/kde/feed/ for me? 
[08:22] <agateau> Riddell: I see you renamed libindicate-qt0 to libindicate-qt1, was this necessary? iirc version 0.2.5.91 is BC with 0.2.5
[08:23] <agateau> Riddell: and it breaks kmail and plasma-widget-message-indicator (they probably need a rebuild)
[08:31] <Riddell> agateau: it's a belated change, the SONAME has been 1 for some time and the packaged should have changed then
[08:32] <agateau> Riddell: oh right
[08:32] <agateau> Riddell: are kmail and plasma-widget-message-indicator being rebuilt?
[08:33] <agateau> Riddell: or did their build fail?
[08:33] <Riddell> agateau: I just clicked rebuild on plasma-widget-message-indicator
[08:33] <Riddell> I'll upload kdepim now
[08:35] <tazz> Riddell, what goes in the documentation ? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[08:35] <agateau> Riddell: great, thanks
[08:35] <tazz> do we copy the documentations right from kde upstream ?
[08:35] <agateau> Riddell: new kdepim? (4.4.10?)
[08:35]  * tazz was looking into doing the remaining documentation....
[08:35]  * tazz goes to rtfm
[08:36] <Riddell> tazz: application documentation comes from upstream, we also have kubuntu-docs which is written by kubuntu people
[08:37] <tazz> ah i see...
[08:38] <Riddell> tazz: for kubuntu-docs I though it's in bzr co lp:kubuntu-docs  and you want to talk to DarkwingDuck 
[08:38] <Riddell> and see the todo for the status https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[08:38]  * tazz waves at DarkwingDuck 
[08:38] <tazz> Riddell, yes i am on that page...
[08:38] <Riddell> he's in the US so he's probably fast asleep for a while
[08:40] <tazz> heh, sunny California.
[08:55] <bambee> hey
[08:56] <Riddell> bonjour bambee 
[08:56] <nigelb> Quintasan: Hey for your session, can you talk to jml on #launchpad.  I talked to the lp team and a few people are willing to help.
[08:56] <bambee> Riddell: hehe ;)
[08:57] <Riddell> jussi: planet updated
[09:02] <jussi> Riddell: thanks
[09:02] <bambee> plasma-widget-message-indicator should be rebuild to change its runtime dependency to libindicate-qt1, nop ?
[09:05] <Riddell> bambee: already has been https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-message-indicator/0.5.7-0ubuntu1  should appear in the archive in half an hour
[09:05] <bambee> nice :)
[09:05] <bambee> ok
[09:05] <nigelb> jussi: hey, ping?
[09:06] <jussi> nigelb: pong
[09:06] <nigelb> jussi: hey, bot devel want to talk about stuff at UDW?
[09:06] <nigelb> jussi: I've been failing at helping with the trivia bot
[09:07] <nigelb> Probably a nice way to talk about tcl and recruit people for it.
[09:07] <jussi> nigelb: best to talk to tsimpson. I own the bot and help where i can, but tsimpson is the real main man.
[09:07] <nigelb> yessir, will do :)
[09:11] <Riddell> it's written in tcl?  people use tcl?
[09:12] <nigelb> eggdrop is tcl I think
[09:12] <Riddell> I should probably know that, I run eggdrop
[09:12] <nigelb> heh
[09:47] <Riddell> yay, owncloud working! http://ec2-50-17-22-55.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/
[09:49] <Riddell> go test, jr/foo
[09:49] <jussi> Riddell: ubottu is not tcl, thank god
[09:50] <jussi> !info supybot
[09:50] <Riddell> clever ubottu 
[09:50] <jussi> Riddell: we even have cloning instructions :D
[09:50] <jussi> !botclone
[09:51] <nigelb> jussi: but triviabot is tcl right?
[09:51] <jussi> nigelb: no idea - ryanakca does it.
[09:51] <nigelb> It is, I remember ryan telling me its eggdrop
[09:53] <Riddell> what's wrong with this dialogue?  http://ec2-50-17-22-55.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/files/open_file.php?dir=&file=webdav-dialogue.png
[09:53] <Riddell> note the instructions and the button text
[09:55] <jussi> Riddell: whoops
[09:55] <jussi> Riddell: instructions differ from the button text. nice catch
[09:58] <jussi> Riddell: have you got itto work with dolphin?
[09:59] <Riddell> jussi: yes but that dialogue isn't very clear
[09:59] <jussi>  RiddellI have my own owncloud, but I still fail at getting dolphin to work with it+webdav
[10:00] <Riddell> jussi: well does this work in dolphin?  webdav://jr@ec2-50-17-22-55.compute-1.amazonaws.com:80/owncloud/webdav/owncloud.php
[10:01] <jussi> never mind, fixed it: http://www.mail-archive.com/owncloud@kde.org/msg00026.html - this was how I needed to do it.
[10:22] <Riddell> revu needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/owncloud
[10:30]  * Riddell nudges maco into revu-ing
[10:46] <bambee> while giving some help to shadeslayer, I'll also work on language-selector (I mean both in parallel)
[10:46] <Riddell> bambee: do you know what needs to be done?
[10:47] <bambee> kcm integration into systemsettings->localisation ?
[10:48] <bambee> localization *
[10:49] <Riddell> yep
[10:49] <Riddell> which will take porting to policykit/kauth first
[10:49] <Riddell> although much of its functionality could be done through kpackagekit (most privilaged operations are just package installs)
[10:49] <Riddell> also review features compared to the gtk frontend
[10:50] <valorie> Riddell: just read your email about project neon
[10:50] <valorie> I'll help with the dot article, etc. once techbase is updated
[10:50] <valorie> or work with shadeslayer etc.
[10:50] <bambee> Riddell: ok
[10:51] <valorie> I'll check with shadeslayer tomorrow
[10:55] <Riddell> thanks valorie 
[11:09] <bambee> Riddell: Added in my todo, I'll try to do my best :)
[11:10] <Riddell> neversfelde: what's the status of bug 683439 ?
[12:32] <shadeslayer> valorie: sure i'm free tomorrow .... :)
[12:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: and you think neon will be ready to annonce?
[12:32] <shadeslayer> well ... it works, you can login etc ... PIM does not work, so apart from that it's good to go imo
[12:33] <shadeslayer> yofel: Quintasan_ ^^ opinions
[12:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is the techbase page up to date?
[12:33] <shadeslayer> A bit of it is outdated
[12:34] <yofel> Riddell: I'll have that done till tomorrow, it's mostly done
[12:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you read about the nokia internal memo on engadget?
[12:35] <yofel> other than that, kdepim doesn't work right until we work out akonadi, and I have no idea if anything related to python actually works or not (rather not)
[12:35] <yofel> besides that, it works
[12:36] <shadeslayer> oh and i still have to start kwin manually ...
[12:36] <shadeslayer> dunno about you guys
[12:37] <yofel> WFM last time I tried it
[12:38] <Riddell> yofel: yeah so we just warn people not to install kdepim
[12:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: all rumours until tomorrow
[12:38] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:39] <shadeslayer> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/09/nokia-meego-idUSLDE7180X420110209 << :S
[12:40] <Riddell> that doesn't tell us much except that meego is going slower than hoped, which is well known
[12:40] <KRF> shadeslayer: fyi, there's already a follow-up on that article on reuters
[12:40] <shadeslayer> yeah .... it's wait and watch
[12:41] <shadeslayer> KRF: oh ... lemme look
[12:41] <KRF> but still, rumours...
[12:41] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:41] <shadeslayer> i do hope they don't drop it
[12:42] <shadeslayer> i'd say go for Android till Meego is fully usable
[12:43] <Riddell> I'd say go with Kubuntu
[12:43] <Riddell> I expect that's what their secret plan is
[12:44] <shadeslayer> hehehe .... 
[12:44] <shadeslayer> one can only hope :)
[12:46]  * shadeslayer needs to get his LCD Panel replaced
[14:09] <Quintasan> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: Yes, we can release tomorrow. SIP needs to get installed in /opt/project-neon, right?
[14:11]  * Quintasan has winter holidays like in two days so he can work on appearing bugs
[14:11] <yofel> well yes, that's probably the most annoying issue for maverick currently
[14:11] <Quintasan> It's maverick only issue?
[14:12] <yofel> well, we don't need to backport it for natty...
[14:12] <Quintasan> What happens if we backport new SIP?
[14:12] <yofel> we need to rebuild pykde
[14:12] <Quintasan> Can't we rebuild both SIP and PyKDE in our PPA?
[14:12] <Quintasan> I can imagine something will break
[14:13] <yofel> maybe just drop SIP in neon completely as we don't have pykde currently anyway
[14:13] <yofel> Quintasan: sure, how do you put rebuilds for all available kdebindings versions for maverick into one ppa?
[14:13] <Quintasan> Wurgh
[14:13] <Quintasan> no thanks
[14:13] <yofel> see
[14:13] <Quintasan> Well, still noone wants to touch qtscriptgenerator
[14:14] <yofel> easiest workaround currently is to use kubuntu-ppa/backports with neon, but not everyone will probably want to do that
[14:14] <Quintasan> I will do this tomorrow or the day after
[14:14] <yofel> Quintasan: I can build amarok fine in natty without neon, with neon I get a link error in the taglib cmake test
[14:16] <yofel> so we would need to fix our tagblib first I guess..
[14:27] <nigelb> Quintasan: hey
[14:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you get your patch to KDM in?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not yet, i cloned the repo today, still reading up on KAuth and finding the Gnome bits
[15:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger says the patch is not complete :>
[15:05] <shadeslayer> sadly project-neon-kdebase-apps depends on too many things :(
[15:06] <shadeslayer> well ... i could just dirty my /opt/project-neon and it will be fixed by dpkg later on
[15:08] <Riddell> anyone know how kdm choses its default theme?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: don't think we ship pykde
[15:12] <shadeslayer> afiestas: have a look at gnome-disk-utility
[15:13] <shadeslayer> they got it right imo
[15:13] <afiestas> shadeslayer: okiz
[15:13] <afiestas> today Uninstall will show me KFormat which seems that it already is kinda working
[15:13] <afiestas> using udisk and so on, so with a little bit of luck I will have only to write a new interface, or modify the curret one
[15:14] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:15] <shadeslayer> great ... now i'm getting SMS Spam -.-
[15:16]  * Riddell works it out
[16:34] <Riddell> ah, maco, good morning
[16:41] <Riddell> debfx: best update the /topic too
[16:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you haz a look at dcmtk ?
[16:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes in a bit
[16:46] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[16:46] <Riddell> debfx: incase I forget (shouldn't do but you never know) call me, jriddell.org/contact.html
[16:48] <debfx> Riddell: okay
[16:48] <shadeslayer> hahah
[16:48] <shadeslayer> http://fluffy.jussi01.com/
[16:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ Ubottu now owns fluffy?
[17:22] <Riddell> maco: so, fancy reviewing my owncloud package?
[17:22]  * maco wonders how big a package it is
[17:23] <maco> i dont mind doing it, just wonder whether i can do it from home or need to find decent wifi
[17:23] <Riddell> it's weeny
[17:25] <maco> ok
[17:25] <maco> there's a new official chinese version of ubuntu apparently
[17:25] <maco> this was not mentioned on ubuntu-devel ml!
[17:28] <Riddell> yes, that did surprise me too
[17:29] <Riddell> that'll be freeflying at work
[17:49] <afiestas> Riddell: did you test Kamoso last 2.0 code?
[17:50] <Riddell> afiestas: I tested alpha 2
[17:51] <Riddell> if that's what you're asking?
[17:52] <afiestas> Riddell: nope, pre-alpha3 would be 
[17:52] <afiestas> (or it may be beta1)
[17:52] <afiestas> it should fit in your laptop
[17:52] <Riddell> afiestas: where can I find it?
[17:53] <afiestas> git.kde.org/kamoso
[17:54] <afiestas> shadeslayer: I'm taking a look at gnome-disk-utility isn't it too advanced?
[17:54] <afiestas> I'm mean,  sure we need in kde something like that, for what I wanted to do is something way simpler
[17:59] <debfx> afiestas: why is the bluedevil menu entry in the Internet category? shouldn't it be in System?
[18:04] <afiestas> debfx: in fact, I'm thinking on remove the entry for 1.1
[18:04] <afiestas> bluedevil is something "system wide" so there is no point on executing it
[18:09] <Riddell> afiestas: I just submitted a fix to kamoso, now I feel elite
[18:11] <afiestas> Riddell: thanks, I forgot to that that patch
[18:11] <afiestas> commit the fixed in 2.0 though, and then forward to master
[18:12] <Riddell> afiestas: kamoso works nicely on my netbook now thanks
[18:12] <Riddell> doesn't work on my new laptop though, no camera image
[18:12] <afiestas> Riddell: even the last 2.0 code?
[18:13] <afiestas> with 2.0 I mean 2.0 branch on git 
[18:13] <debfx> afiestas: the bluedevil tray icon is autostarted anyway, right?
[18:14] <Riddell> afiestas: git checkout remotes/origin/2.0  ?
[18:14] <debfx> Riddell: is the akonadi tray useful to the average user? I think we should move it into an own package
[18:14] <afiestas> debfx: yes, by BlueDevil kded (only starts it if there is a bleutooth adapter)
[18:14] <afiestas> Riddell: yes
[18:14] <afiestas> if it is not working, can you provide me the terminal output?
[18:15] <Riddell> debfx: I agree
[18:15] <debfx> afiestas: are you sure? bluedevil is running in my natty VM
[18:16] <afiestas> debfx: I'm sure
[18:17] <Riddell> afiestas: http://paste.kde.org/4478/  nothing useful
[18:17]  * Riddell goes out canoeing
[18:17] <debfx> afiestas: the kcm says no bluetooth adaper found but the service and tray icon are running
[18:17] <afiestas> Riddell: enable Kamoso debug area
[18:17] <afiestas> in kdebugdialog
[18:18] <afiestas> debfx:  close it, restart the VM and tell me if it is autoexecuted again
[18:19] <afiestas> maybe (I don't know how these things work) the default KDE session included in Natty has it
[18:20] <debfx> Riddell: have fun :)
[18:22] <debfx> afiestas: I always start with an empty session, it's still autostarted
[18:23] <debfx> when I disable bluedevil in the kcm it's not autostarted anymore
[18:23] <afiestas> debfx: kdebugdialog --fullmode
[18:23] <afiestas> select kded, output to a file
[18:24] <afiestas> (enable bd again in the kcm), and reboot (logout/login)
[18:24] <afiestas> well, you can restart kded4 :p
[18:24] <afiestas> and if you prefer, copy/paste the output to paste.kde.org
[18:30] <debfx> how am I supposed to find kded4 in that huge dropdown list? ^^
[18:31] <afiestas> debfx: ok, forget about that
[18:31] <afiestas> execute
[18:31] <afiestas> kdebugdialog (withotu arguments)
[18:31] <afiestas> search for kded, activate it
[18:31] <afiestas> go to a terminal, and execute
[18:32] <afiestas> "killall -9 kded4; kded4 --nofork"
[18:32] <afiestas> and paste the output in paste.kde.org for example
[18:33] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: was tazz someone new?
[18:33] <debfx> afiestas: that's much easier, thanks :)
[18:33] <debfx> afiestas: http://paste.kde.org/4480/
[18:34] <afiestas> debfx: sorry my mistake (I was preparing a coffee :p)
[18:34] <afiestas> debfx: not enough information mmm activate everything "bluedevil" :p
[18:36] <debfx> afiestas: no such thing in the list
[18:37] <afiestas> in kded, you have both, the one with the number
[18:38] <afiestas> and the one without it?
[18:39] <DarkwingDuck> tazz, I was just talking about you. :P
[18:39] <afiestas> debfx: ok, there is no need for that
[18:39] <afiestas> I'm just checking the code, and don't tell me why but bluedevil-monolithic is always executed :(
[18:39] <tazz> DarkwingDuck, consider me, the devil :p
[18:40] <DarkwingDuck> tazz: Not if you are asking about documentation I wont. :P:P
[18:40] <tazz> DarkwingDuck, i was...
[18:40] <tazz> DarkwingDuck, i write documentation for kde, i was wondering how i could help out...
[18:41] <afiestas> debfx: I will fix that for 1.1 (the one that Natty will include)
[18:42] <tazz> damn... xchat crashed...
[18:42] <DarkwingDuck> Welcome back... xchat?
[18:42] <tazz> DarkwingDuck, yea.. stupid reason dont ask :)
[18:42] <DarkwingDuck> tazz: :) You use BZR?
[18:43] <tazz> DarkwingDuck, nope...
[18:44] <DarkwingDuck> BZR is the version control system that we use.
[18:44] <DarkwingDuck> taz apt-get install bzr
[18:44] <DarkwingDuck> tazz: ^^
[18:45] <DarkwingDuck> tazz: it intergrates with Launchpad very very well. :)
[18:45] <tazz> what do ya know, i already have it installed... must be using it a year a go or somthing...
[18:45] <DarkwingDuck> :) 
[18:45] <tazz> :p
[18:45] <DarkwingDuck> tazz: bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs
[18:45] <tazz> cool, so i should pull the documentations ?
[18:46] <DarkwingDuck> tazz: the Todo list is found at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Natty
[18:46] <tazz> got it...
[18:47] <DarkwingDuck> tazz: we use docbook for the docs.
[18:47] <tazz> nice, so does kde...
[18:47] <DarkwingDuck> Awesome.
[18:47] <DarkwingDuck> actually... I've been wanted to help with KDE docs :)
[18:47] <DarkwingDuck> So will will be mutual bentificial
[18:48] <jjesse> kde docs use docbook as well
[18:48] <tazz> DarkwingDuck, thats cool...
[18:48] <DarkwingDuck> Hey jjesse 
[18:48] <DarkwingDuck> tazz: jjesse is another one of our senior doc gurus
[18:48] <tazz> hello jjesse!
[18:49] <DarkwingDuck> Speaking of... that is what I am working on today jjesse more docs
[18:49] <tazz> DarkwingDuck, you should join the kde-doc-english ml
[18:49] <DarkwingDuck> Joined.
[18:49] <jjesse> hiya tazz
[18:49] <jjesse> yay for doc work
[18:49] <DarkwingDuck> We are actually running out of time.
[18:50] <tazz> so yea, that was one of my questions... do we use upstream docs for kde apps ?
[18:50] <jjesse> yes we do
[18:50] <jjesse> as much as we can
[18:50] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck when is doc freeze?
[18:50] <DarkwingDuck> Apr 7
[18:51] <DarkwingDuck> tazz: our docs are more of an overview of what is installed with Kubuntu and how to manipulate/configure things.
[18:52] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: the feature freeze is on the 24th
[18:52] <tazz> i see...
[18:53] <jjesse> when is string freeze?
[18:53] <DarkwingDuck> jj Documentation String freeze is the Apr 7
[18:53] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: ^^ 
[18:54] <DarkwingDuck> tab fail
[18:54] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[18:54] <DarkwingDuck> Translations only have 14 days?
[18:55] <jjesse> apparently
[18:55] <DarkwingDuck> fail
[18:55] <DarkwingDuck> Anywho
[18:56] <DarkwingDuck> tazz: any major questions?
[18:57] <tazz> DarkwingDuck, none at the moment, I am just checking out the kubuntu-docs folder
[18:57] <DarkwingDuck> tazz: +1 what do you guys use for KDE docs?
[18:58] <DarkwingDuck> tazz: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/en/
[18:59] <DarkwingDuck> tazz: that will help understand bzr better. When you create a patch email myself (david.wonderly@kubuntu.org) or jjesse (jjesse@gmail.com) the diff and we will upload it.
[18:59] <tazz> DarkwingDuck, we use meinproc4
[18:59] <tazz> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man8/meinproc4.8.html
[19:00] <tazz> but we use meinproc4 from the kde trunk itself.
[19:00] <DarkwingDuck> Ahhhh
[19:00] <DarkwingDuck> what do you use for svn?
[19:00] <tazz> DarkwingDuck, we are shifting from svn to git.
[19:00] <tazz> but i just use commandline 
[19:00] <tazz> svn up, svn co, svn update
[19:01] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I use commandline for bzr too
[19:01] <tazz> it used to be svn+ssh
[19:01] <tazz> and svn+http
[19:01] <tazz> but now everything is going under git.
[19:01] <DarkwingDuck> I think there is a GUI for bzr but, i've never used it.
[19:01] <tazz> ah i see...
[19:25] <DarkwingDuck> Who does the Kubuntu website?
[19:27] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: ping
[19:43] <ari-tczew> Riddell: look forward for sponsorship bug 716639
[21:40] <blackmoon-105> hi, my /usr/bin/X use a 80% of cpu  and slow all.. i'm under kubuntu 10.10 geeforce 6600GT  (driver nvidia-185   ver.  260.19.06)
[21:52] <ScottK> agateau: It looks to me like currently app menu doesn't work with gtk apps out of the box for us.  I assume we'd need to seed some additional packages.  Do you know what we'd need?
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> works w/ appmenu-gtk for me
[22:41] <ari-tczew> Riddell: could you sponsor this one for me as well? bug 716748
[22:43] <ryanakca> DarkwingDuck: It depends on what you want, if you want a story added, several people around here have the password to the site, if you want a change to the appearance, I think ofirk or shadeslayer are working on it.
[22:43] <Riddell> blackmoon-105: we're not really X people, best to ask in the x channel or mailing list
[22:44] <Riddell> ari-tczew: e-mail me, I'll get them in the morning
[22:44] <ari-tczew> Riddell: yeah!
[22:45] <ari-tczew> Riddell: done
[23:10] <blackmoon-105> Riddell: ok, i ask yo x channel. i've asked here because i tought it was related with kde4
[23:51] <valorie> shadeslayer: ping