=== ralsina_doctor is now known as ralsina [00:18] Have a weird problem here. KDE 4.6 on Kubuntu 10.10. My user can log in just fine via KDM, but another user gets the "red field." Using the same password, I can su to that user at the prompt, but that user cannot log in via KDM. I had this problem with KDE 4.5 as well, but it went away (until now) when I upgraded to 4.6. Ideas? And to add to the wierdness: it started working on its own. STRANGE. [00:27] Please help , I can't load KDE after KDE update from the backport repo ! [00:29] chris_sf: make sure kubuntu-desktop is intalled and run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" [00:33] but I don't want to upgrade my distibution . I want the keep the LTS 10.04 version. What I did was to install kdevelop from the backport repo and than when doing a regular update, it update KDE !! now the screen is black, how can I revert it to the original KDE (the one on Lucid) or install the new one properly but keeping the 10.04 LTS version. Thx so much for any help [00:34] chris_sf: dist-upgrade only upgrades packages [00:35] chris_sf: it wont upgrade you to 10.10 unless you enable the 10.10 repors in /etc/apt/sources.list === u is now known as Guest88283 [00:55] Thx so much james, it works , now I think it is scary because all what I wanted was to install kdevelop and tutorial showed it using the backport repo. Correct me if I am wrong but since the new KDE was also in the backport , it tried to update itself !? actually each I'll do a apt-get upgrade he will try to replace the lucid package whith the one in the backup repo ! Is that correct. how can I select the backport to only install a package (ie [00:55] kedevelop) . what is the best practice of using the backpot repo if you don't want to install what's in there ? Also what happened in my case ! sorry for all those questions !! ;-) === gerald is now known as Guest100 [02:42] hi all, are people still facing problems while upgrading to kde 4.6 in kubuntu ? [02:42] i was planning to upgrade but found this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/708151 [02:42] Ubuntu bug 708151 in Kubuntu PPA "can't log in to KDE after upgrading to 4.6" [Undecided,Incomplete] [02:42] this made me reconsider :( my upgrade plans [03:05] I'm trying to learn how to read RSS feeds. I added the "RSSNOW" desktop widget, and I've subscribed to a feed, and I can see it is populated -- how do I actually read the feeds? [03:10] rosco_y: the feeds will show up on the widget. what is the refresh time you have set in the settings of the widget ? [03:37] im trying to figure out what program i need to install to get the application hardware drivers [03:46] rosco_y: akregator is also a really good feed reader [03:46] ravel: application ? which device is it ? [03:46] usually drivers are bundled with the kernel [03:47] i figured it out mase_wk its jockey-gtk [03:47] :) [03:48] ah you mean for binary drivers...jockey-kde will give the kde version [03:49] awe sweet ass [03:49] thanks mase_wk [04:00] does kubuntu have a gui to kill system process other then system monitor [04:00] can dolphin show gif animations in preview mode? [04:01] put a gif in preview mode and find out [04:02] can you try for me please.. i'm curremtly using a openbox and gnome desktop? [04:03] if i had a gif i would [04:03] point me to one [04:04] wget http://www.gifbin.com/bin/022011/1297259678_escalator-hanging-fail.gif [04:05] if the thumbnail shows animation that would be awesome [04:09] ZenGuy: shows in preview...butt no animation [04:10] ok [04:10] i'll submit a brainstorm feature request tommorow [04:27] hey its me again i installed jockey-kde and it finds my ati/amd driver but when i goto activate it, the program jockey downloads the driver but doesnt activate my ati/amd driver? just goes grey [04:27] any ideas on how to fix this [05:14] Is there any way to set it so all windows sizes are forced and unchangeable? [05:14] I mean, other than manually forcing all windows sizes. [05:28] hello === pan1nx is now known as info === info is now known as pan1nx [08:47] Hi there, I tried to install a proprietary software (bitrock install binary) on kubuntu10.10 [08:49] now the problem is, that the /usr/lib/gio is found [08:50] and as I installed 64 bit version, and the proprietary software uses 32 bit i get errors saying that tehere is a wrong ELF CLASS 64 [08:51] now i looked in a centOS 5.2 and there is no such library as /usr/lib/gio/modules/ [08:52] and even in a debian there is no such directory [08:52] and the fact is the proprietary software installs just fine on CentOS an Debian [08:55] so what package needs that /usr/lib/gio/modules and why is there a problem when installing a 32bit binary which actually just should copy some binarys... [08:55] i am totally clueless about this [08:59] !find /usr/lib/gio/modules [08:59] File /usr/lib/gio/modules found in bamf-dbg, bamfdaemon, gvfs, ia32-libs, libdconf-dbg, libdconf0, libfm0, libfm0-dbg, libgio-fam, libzeitgeist-1.0-0-dbg (and 2 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=/usr/lib/gio/modules&mode=&suite=maverick&arch=any [09:00] does that help at all, skidzo? [09:03] a little [09:05] is this installed by default [09:05] ? [09:05] hmmm, I don't know how to check that [09:06] i get an error about libgiofam.so and libdconf.so [09:06] saying that they are of the wrong elf CLASS 64 [09:07] and did google give you anything useful about that error message? [09:07] ia32-libs is also installed [09:07] no [09:07] it was mainly other people also installing proprietary software [09:08] you need someone much more clueful than me, I'm afraid [09:08] i know the gio is the gnome io [09:08] no it's okay, help actually a lot [09:09] thanks so far!! [09:13] Hello. I am facing a severe problem with my Kubuntu 10.10 (running since months without problems) Today it boots into an installation procedure that hangs at the choice of language [09:14] I am now running Kubuntu from CD [09:14] but i desperately need to be back to my normal HD boot [09:16] I don-t know what and where to check: grub? boot scripts? Please help!!! [09:18] 238 users on this channel and none can help in any way? [09:18] did you do some recent updates? [09:18] new software? [09:18] sorry, not many people awake at this point of the day [09:18] no new softare, just the regular updates from official repositories [09:19] franzmaximilian: can you get a screenshot, photo, or good description of the screen you arrive at? [09:19] which i do more or less daily === simpack is now known as skidzo [09:20] amichair boot seems to start normally, then for a couple of seconds i see a login screen [09:20] i mean command lina with black bacground [09:21] then it turns into a text based installation [09:21] not graphic [09:21] franzmaximilian: the kubuntu installation? the boot menu like in the liveCD? === alessio is now known as Netziro [09:22] yes, but not a graphic install, just an old fashioned text input menu in a few colors [09:22] this is the language choice menu [09:23] preset choice is english, but if try to move around it goes to albanese [09:24] and doesnt let me move but between alabnese and bulgarian [09:24] it does not accept an ENTER command [09:24] it does nothing there [09:25] only choice is CTRL ALT CANC or hard switch off [09:25] you guys, how can I get flash into 10.10 64? do I need to run the flashplugin-installer? [09:25] I checked that there are no forgotten usb pens on the computer or anything else [09:25] mokush: install flashplugin-installer [09:26] it boots as expected from a live CD and i can access the HD [09:26] this is all I can say [09:26] franzmaximilian: strange, I never encountered anything like this [09:26] amichair: I've installed the package, but the actual plugin didn't install [09:27] me neither... i-m just a user amichair, but since mamy years first time i see anything like this [09:27] mokush: installing the package is all that should be necessary, at least for FireFox and Chrome (but probably others too) [09:27] and of course it happens the day i have urgent tasks to do.... according to Murphy-s law [09:28] franzmaximilian: do you have any choice in the grub menu, older kernels and such? [09:29] amichair: I've just removed and reinstalled the plugin, and it got it's act toghether. thanks [09:29] mokush: you might need to restart the browser though [09:29] mokush: oh great :-) [09:29] i do not see a grub menu at start amichair. i have only kubunto, no Windows or other OS [09:30] franzmaximilian: no previous kubuntu kernel versions? (there's some key u can press to get the grub menu, not sure if nowadays it's escape or left shift or something else) [09:30] yes, i must have some older kernels [09:31] so let-s ask if anyone knows which is the key to press to get the grub menu [09:31] anyone knows_ [09:31] ? [09:32] sorry... wrong keyb layout... i forgot to set it when booting from CD [09:32] franzmaximilian: I think in grub2 you hold down the shift key while booting to get to the menu [09:33] ok, i will have a try [09:33] thank you for suggestion [09:33] i will come back if it does not work [09:34] pray for me........ [09:34] fingers crossed [09:34] :) bye [09:43] hi again [09:44] so anyone knows if the /usr/lib/gio/ is in kubuntu10.10 by default [09:44] or does it only exist because some packages where installed afterwards? [09:45] i figured out already that in debian an in RHEL there is no such directory [09:48] hello anyone from greece? [09:50] anyone who watch the chat? [09:52] skidzo: try sudo dpkg -i - -force-architecture yourpackagename [09:52] sorry forgot to say it's proprietary [09:53] tried the linux32 command an tried installing 32 bit libs [09:54] but the issue is that some process running at installtime might mess up the installation [09:57] it did an strace of the install process but i only got some information which is worthless [09:58] i do know that I need some opengl library's [09:58] like libXm.so libGL.so libGLU.so [09:59] all in 32 bit [10:01] i know that one of the packages is libmotif3 [10:18] hello amichair My computer booted normally at the end.... but i don't know how! and i simply hate this [10:18] franzmaximilian: I suppose you can hate it less than when it doesn't work and you don't know why ;-) [10:19] lol true [10:19] anyway... i wonder why i cannot find a /boot/grub/menu.lst file in my installation [10:20] franzmaximilian: just as an off-thought, perhaps you can run an fsck and/or memtest at some conveient time in the near future... just to rule out random hardware errors. It never hurts. [10:21] yes, good Idea amichair . do I run fsck from a cd? I f i remember well it cannot be run on an active hd [10:21] franzmaximilian: I think menu.lst no longer exists in grub2, at least by default. now there's a grub.conf somewhere, and a utility to apply it... don't remember the details [10:23] amichair, I will check for this [10:23] i have a problemhelpthis newbie [10:24] kubntu 10.10 on a dell mini10 netbook [10:25] can i get some gidance [10:25] i m from a place where nobody has about open source [10:26] !ask | rajvi [10:26] rajvi: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [10:26] thank u ubottu [10:27] my power devil is messed up on AC but my visual effects disabled [10:28] franzmaximilian: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 looks like it might be useful [10:29] rajvi: you can configure these in System Settings -> Power Management -> Edit Profiles [10:30] yes u r right [10:30] but i disable d power devil n i checked all settings still its the same [10:31] i have checked some logs power devil is not recognising thet it turned off n i m on AC!! [10:32] i m 100% sure my power devil died [10:33] rajvi: sorry, I don't know much more about power devil... maybe someone else here will be able to help. Also, you should check that there's no known issues with your particular hardware (in launchpad bug reports, that is) [10:34] ok thanks can i give u somemore input [10:34] thanks amichair [10:39] power devil messed up help [10:40] please help [10:40] i've upgraded from lucid to maverick and now my widget dashboard is empty. the "add widget..." dialog still shows my applets as active, though. where are they? [10:41] whoever recompiled them intel gma drivers deserves a grand prize. [10:46] i don't think anybody can help me [10:50] can anybody answer my questions [10:50] rajvi: what's the qustion? [10:50] where do I get "qmake" ? [10:51] cmake .. fails and says it cannot find "qt qmake" [10:51] power devil not working [10:51] on ac but no visual effects [10:51] rajvi: did you enable them? did they work before? [10:51] power devil has disabled my effects [10:52] yup [10:52] but only if ilogg out i get my effects [10:52] now powerbdevil off [10:52] but same issue checked all settings [10:53] checked logg power devil on regonising dat i m on ac [10:54] i know power devil is the culprit [11:45] you guys know a way to install thunderbird 3.3alpha in kubuntu? [12:10] Ctrl+Alt+V opens Klipper's menu of previous clipboards. I don't want it to do that. I went into Global Keyboard Shortcuts and selected Klipper, expecting I should be able to change the shortcut there, but this shortcut is not there. Where do I change it? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:20] hi [12:20] what is the name of your graphic package manager? [12:21] i'm on debian testing KDE4 and i don't know what graphic package manager can i use [12:26] In kubuntu I use "Software Management" in System setting [12:28] i'm on Debian testing KDE4 [12:28] Noob: I'm not sure, but testing should use kpackagekit too [12:28] you should rather ask in a debian channel.. [12:29] ok thanks yofel [12:29] anyway your package manager should be in system setting [12:30] that's true too [13:02] do I need to make some specific setups to be able to send files from my phone to my computer using bluetooth? [13:20] Hey all [13:47] hello everyone [13:48] i have installed adobe flash player 10.2 , now chromium browser is getting crashed . how can i fix it? [13:49] small correction [13:49] flash plugin crashes in chromium browser [13:52] phoenix_firebrd, have you updated/upgraded lately [13:53] BluesKaj: ya [13:55] there was an upgrade to flashplugin installer a day or 2 ago [13:55] BluesKaj: this is the error message i am getting "[14020:14020:89764634949:FATAL:base/process_util_linux.cc(594)] Out of memory" [13:57] phoenix_firebrd, which graphics card ? [13:57] BluesKaj: nvidia 9400gt [14:02] phoenix_firebrd, dunno what that is unless you ram is somehow corrupted or broken [14:05] phoenix_firebrd, run glxgears full screen , see if it crashes [14:05] BluesKaj: i checked with rekonq, it can play the youtube videos. when i rightclick on the video. rekonq crashes [14:06] BluesKaj: i check my memory. 70% of my memory is free [14:07] BluesKaj: 70% free in total [14:07] BluesKaj: 12 % free in physical [14:10] try removong flashplugin installer , rebot and try the youtube without reinstalling [14:11] hi everyone, i'm having a problem with KDM and XDMCP on Ubuntu 10.10, I can't seem to connect to it, I have already adjusted my Xauthority (added * to add all hosts to connect) and kdmrc (enable XDMCP). What am I missing? [14:19] danifunker, but maybe xdm might help as a Xserver manager [14:19] hmm I guess I'll go ahead and install that then. === mren|off is now known as mren [14:41] danifunker: Probably DNS stuff. Can you give us more information? What do you expect to work that doesn't? [14:49] Hi! [14:50] Hi [14:50] HI [14:50] !hi [14:51] Please help me! [14:51] !ask [14:51] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [14:53] I just started using linux and I need to reinstall Virtualbox. I do not know how to do it. ((( [14:54] And another question - does anyone speak Russian? [14:54] !ru | k0s [14:54] k0s: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke [15:31] Helllo peoplee [15:31] :D [15:35] alvin: sorry, i lost connectivity, I don't think it's DNS, since I'm not using DNS to connect to the server. [15:36] danifunker: np. Let me see what I can dig up about my own XDMCP experience. [15:37] You changed /et/kde4/kdm/kdmrc and /etc/kde4/kdm/Xaccess? [15:37] Hello falanga [15:38] alvin: yessir, I did that a while ago [15:38] danifunker: Checked bug 86021 [15:38] Launchpad bug 86021 in libxdmcp (Ubuntu) "XDMCP does not work without reverse dns" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86021 === carlo is now known as Guest31495 [15:40] So, change 127.0.1.1 localhost to '127.0.0.1 ' [15:40] my client is Windows, not ubuntu [15:40] I'm using Xming to connect. [15:40] danifunker: No problem. I meant the /etc/hosts file of your Kubuntu [15:41] interesting, it's already in there [15:41] Good. 127.0.1.1 should not be localhost when in a network [15:41] so just remove it? [15:41] Wait [15:41] how are you [15:41] I'm checking for it [15:41] okay. thanks [15:42] I've never heard of 127.0.1.1 before [15:42] danifunker: Comment it out, and add your real IP there with the hostname (e.g. 10.0.0.50 xdmcpserver) [15:42] where are you from [15:43] ok i made the changes, restartign now [15:43] good luck [15:43] thanks, well I'll stay on here, again windows is my client ;) [15:44] I have never used Xming, but it should work. Be glad you're not using Ubuntu as a client. [15:44] should I create reverse dns entries on my DNS servers? [15:44] I'm just trying to set this thing up as a test box [15:45] You can't always do that. (I can't here). It's not necessary [15:45] okay cool. Fortunately I am a master of my own domain [15:45] woot I even have a fancy whois name on my ipv6 network ;) [15:45] putting the ip in /etc/hosts should help. [15:45] ok it looks started [15:46] alvin: trying to connect now one second [15:46] hmm, so far I'm getting the same results. [15:47] fellas [15:47] where are you from [15:47] bah. I thought it would be enough. It worksforme. Let's see.. [15:47] falanga: the internet [15:47] i'm from Canada, where are you from falanga? [15:47] :D [15:47] haha [15:47] Macedonia [15:48] danifunker: What version of Kubuntu? There's bug 408417 [15:48] Launchpad bug 408417 in gdm "XDMCP server not working in Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408417 [15:48] I'm using the most current version [15:48] of everything [15:48] I just installed on monday, and did an update before installing kde [15:48] I haven't tried XDMCP on Maverick yet [15:48] that looked like a gdm bug, not kdm bug [15:49] Canonical doesn't really care about XDMCP. It wouldn't suprise me if they broke it. Kubuntu has the possibility in kdm, but gdm losst it years ago. [15:49] Yes, that bug was originally about the missing option in gdm, but people added more problems over the years [15:50] hi all. I heard a podcast where they talked about kde 4.6, and i was intrigued. I downloaded kubuntu-desktop from the backports. The problem i have now is that in either session, i have all the apps from gnome/kde on both menus. Is there a way i can isolate the two environments short of dual-booting? [15:51] I can't be the first person who has wanted to do this :) [15:51] lithpr: I do not know of such a method [15:52] hmm, I wanted to try switching to a different xdmcp manager. How do I switch it? [15:52] not kdm? [15:52] yeah like xdm [15:52] problem is, i already installed xdm and don't have an option to switch [15:53] Oh, but there is. I forgot the command... Shouldn't it be $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm ? [15:55] sweet! thanks [15:55] danifunker: hmm. Maybe we're using ipv6 only without really knowing it... On your server, what is the output of: $ sudo netstat -atnup | grep 177 [15:55] I checked that already [15:56] I ended up changing it [15:56] Here it's ipv6 only... Must have been that way for the past year [15:56] And I never knew === ralsina is now known as ralsina_lunch [15:57] yeah, I had to put in LISTEN 0.0.0.0 in one of my files [15:57] but odddly, I do have ipv6 configured on my network ;) [15:58] xming doesn't support ipv6 addresses though, at least not the version I'm running [15:58] my output from that command: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:177 0.0.0.0:* [15:58] It might explain some stuff here... In what file did you have to change that? [15:59] Xaccess [15:59] btw, in /etc/kde4/kdm/Xaccess I have 2 lines (* ; * CHOOSER BROADCAST) [16:00] i have *, * CHOOSER BROADCAST and listen 0.0.0.0 that's what forces ipv4 [16:00] i don't need to do anything with xhost do I? [16:00] I don't think so [16:01] I'll change to ipv4 too, but not now. There's too many people logged on. [16:01] ahh okay [16:01] I'd rather use ipv6, but xming :( [16:01] everything I have is on ipv6 now, even my site and email. [16:02] Yes, you might want to try with a Kubuntu client. Just to know where to look [16:02] cool, I still have to learn about that [16:02] ISP's don't give addresses yet here [16:02] yeah, I have a tunneled route, where are you from? [16:02] Belgium (Flanders) [16:04] hey foes [16:04] can you tell me [16:04] on pvt [16:04] another [16:04] channels ? [16:04] falanga: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [16:04] pleas [16:04] I don't have a kubuntu client installed anywhere. [16:05] ubottu: !pvt [16:05] ubottu doesn't know about pvt [16:05] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [16:05] we know [16:05] !pm [16:05] Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. Please note that some people find it rude to be sent a PM without being asked for permission to do so first. [16:05] !alis | falanga [16:05] falanga: Looking for a channel? /msg alis list *searchterm* More help in #freenode [16:05] I did see a whole bunch of "nolisten" in some parameters somewhere. [16:06] danifunker: Yes, that's for when you want to use X forwarding. (setenv DISPLAY etc,....) It's not needed to remove -nolisten tcp for XDMCP servers [16:06] But you can try [16:07] alvin: it probably won't then. I never had this much problems XDMCP before... [16:07] is there a way to test udp connectivity [16:07] Hmm, I have it removed apparently [16:09] danifunker: $ sudo nmap -sU -p177 [16:09] hi....after upgrading today the new flash player package, I'm unable to watch videos in youtube [16:09] nmap exists for Windows too [16:10] It should say: 177/udp open xdmcp [16:17] please give me other Konversation channels [16:17] a? [16:18] !ot | falanga [16:18] falanga: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! [16:19] #kubuntu-offtopic [16:20] where can i find a list of channels? [16:30] hi there === richard is now known as Guest30472 [16:39] hi peace === ralsina_lunch is now known as ralsina [16:41] alvin: ok nmap reports the port as being open on both windows and linux [16:45] this is so strange, what could be wrong? [16:48] i left ubuntu about 2 years ago after using it quite a bit for about 4 years primarily because i was dissatisfied with how kde was handled (really buggy, prone to crashing) and how long it took to bootup (about 1 minute on a, at the time, brand-new laptop) [16:49] have those things changed? [16:49] you are so bad [16:49] def [16:49] is kde stable to use? how long does bootup take? [16:49] i am so bad? [16:50] danifunker: gdm or kdm greeter? gdm has this bug... https://bugs.launchpad.net/gdm/+bug/408417 [16:50] Ubuntu bug 408417 in gdm "XDMCP server not working in Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick)" [Medium,Confirmed] [16:50] i'm asking because my current setup with archlinux may take up more time than i have to debug stuff, mostly due to nvidia's graphics drivers not working right on my system, and strangely enough, random filesystem attributes being set by packages [16:50] genii-around: I'm using kdm greeter. [16:50] so i'm thinking if i am to transition to something else, might as well be something i was comfortable with for a while [16:51] i know the developers of ubuntu are beyond willing to help. i once hogged up colin wilson's entire work day on just one bug of mine. he seemed really set on fixing it and it was sort of obscure... at least at the time [16:51] how to get a custom ubuntu image setup using clonezilla on identical machines in a computer lab [16:53] moshofosho, depends on your hardware but kde 5.1 is very stable and my pc boots in about 20 secs nowadays..there are some nvidia issues haowever they are mostly with the new 200 and 300 series [16:53] 5.1? that's a typo right? [16:53] er kde 4.5.1 [16:53] okay [16:53] yeah, that's what i have on my machine too right now. my desktop's graphics card is an nvidia 8300 gs... so not so cutting edge [16:54] but not too old [16:54] and it used to work fine with the 1xx series drivers (not hardware models!), but after 256 it seems like it's really unstable [16:54] moshofosho, then you should be ok , mine's a 8400gs [16:55] someone online pointed out very insightfully that there seem to be two groups of people who use linux. 1 ) young people with time to spare in fiddling and tinkering with stuff and 2) older people who have to get work done and don't have the luxury of such time [16:55] i'm slowly transitioning from 1) to 2) and though i'd love to tinker, i just don't have the time [16:55] i used to have to fight with ubuntu to get stuff to work, but your experiences tell me i should give it a test run soon [16:57] moshofosho, well, I'm retired , so I have lots of time in winter ;) [16:57] i see [16:57] I installed 10.10 in 40 mins the other day , clean [16:57] i never had a problem with installation. ubuntu seems to have that nailed down [16:58] i hated how many useless services used to run and just waste precious resources... back then [16:58] now i guess it wouldn't be as bad. computers are faster, though mine have been stuck in 2007-age technology for a while [16:58] anyway, for someone who has a lot of work to do, i sure sound like a hypocrite [16:58] back to work [16:58] and used the text-based alternate install on my 6 yr old pc , which took about an hr [16:58] thanks for your input BluesKaj [16:58] moshofosho, np :) [17:00] BluesKaj: :P [17:49] I'm about to upgrade KDE 4.4.5 to 4.5.3 using kubuntu backports repository... does anyone discourage that? [17:56] Hi, we are trying to pin down an nvidia related bug on opensuse, is there a kde4.5 or higher user with nvidia driver 260.x and a 32bit system here by chance? [17:59] Sirgado: mah... [17:59] Sirgado: upgrading a stable distro it's always a roulette [18:00] Sirgado: the most of times 99% [18:00] you will get no problem [18:00] :D yeah [18:00] but... i guess people upgrade system because they are annoyed [18:00] Sirgado: wanna try another kde? [18:00] try kubuntu natty alpha2 live cd [18:00] ok, I know there're some risks, I just want to know if there's a big issue everybodoy knows except me :D [18:01] Sirgado: big issue no [18:01] if you have... [18:01] Sirgado: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/10/31/try-to-fix-your-kubuntu-box-with-kernel-recovery/ [18:01] I'll check that [18:01] X is abig issue on natty for some ppl , Peace- [18:01] BluesKaj: well :9 infact live cd :) [18:01] I really want to use new activities systems (I've alreaduy tested kde 4.5) [18:02] Sirgado: bah... activities.. [18:02] never used xD [18:02]