[02:02] morning [07:53] good morning all [08:04] good morning [08:12] Morning o/ [08:15] hey kim0 [08:16] dholbach: hey man [08:28] Morning kim0, dholbach, dpm :) [08:29] hi nigelb, hi dpm [08:29] nigelb: hey dpm [08:35] dholbach: \o/ 4 more slots to go. I think I can get someone from IS to fill one slot. \o/ [08:35] oh wow [08:35] I have to talk to the Debian-Ubuntu mafia again [08:35] I'd really love for us to have that session there [08:36] but in general it looks great already [08:36] There is one ubuntu-debian session that came up [08:36] I'd like to have one more [08:36] 'mafia' HAHAHA [08:36] where is that ubuntu-debian session? [08:36] tumbleweed [08:36] wait, no [08:37] that's a different one [08:37] so that means yeah, we need 2 from the ubuntu-debian mafia [08:37] that'd be nice [08:37] there's a lot of things that are hard to understand when you're new and you want to do everything right [08:37] like cooperating with upstreams and debian in particular [08:37] I agree. [08:39] Hrm, Emmet should be a good person to ask about upstreams ;) [08:39] * nigelb tries [08:39] it might be a very bad time for hime [08:40] hi dholbach, kim0, nigelb [08:40] I thought it would be morning-ish time for him [08:40] * nigelb checks [08:52] night all [08:52] bed for me [08:54] nigelb, Debian session booked [08:54] morning all [08:56] dholbach: I saw! Rhonda told me yesterday/day before that she would be moving and she wasn't sure of time. I'm glad it all worked out :) [08:56] morning duanedesign [08:56] hi duanedesign [08:56] duanedesign: morning [09:30] dholbach: w00t 2 more to go! So close :) [09:31] nice work [09:31] let's see if we can get some more packaging stuff in [09:32] dholbach: any idea of seb or pitti would want to do a session? [09:32] its a release week, so I'm not very sure [09:32] I'll try to ask bdrung [09:32] I did ask him, he wasn't very enthusiastic [09:44] nigelb, 1 left [09:48] * nigelb hugs dholbach [09:48] * dholbach hugs nigelb back [09:49] dholbach: trying to get cdbs to do a session, let me see if I can manage that [09:50] he has exams in the following week [09:50] I asked him already [09:50] Ah, skipping that then [09:51] dholbach: hey, we're missing kernel-ish stuff this time ;) [09:52] JFo, ^ what do you think about a kernel-ish session at UDW this time? [09:52] :D [09:52] maybe some kind Q&A? or howto get involved session? [09:53] I'm sure that in the huge kernel team, there's a couple of folks who could be part of that Q&A? [09:54] or helping out with kernel bugs? [11:09] dholbach: I'm linking the time on the schedule to timeanddate.com [11:10] wait, that's going to be tough :\ [11:18] yeah :) [11:19] nigelb, we can do it in the sessions page [11:19] and I'll do it in the blog announces that go out each day [11:19] \o/ [11:21] nigelb, are you going to do it on the sessions page? [11:21] no worries, I'll do it [11:21] but we need to round up a few more lightning talkers [11:22] jcastro, ^ do you have an idea who else we could ask for the last UDW session (Project introductions as lightning talks?) [11:22] I was planning on doing it later today [11:22] dholbach: I have a project which I may showcase, the time isn't very favorible for me, so I'm holding back for now. [11:23] jcastro: can we have some example work of the places api by then? because it would be cool to show case one app/place built and then show the potential ;) [11:25] ok, one more person hooked for project lightning talk [11:28] gah, someone had this idea about a bikeshed(?) package for all those handy scripts... was that dustin? [11:44] ok /Sessions sorted out [11:52] * nigelb hugs dholbach [11:53] dholbach: how many lightning talks are we having? [11:53] 11? [11:53] as much as we can get lined up :) [11:53] :) [11:56] dholbach: wanna tweet about the lightning talks? [11:56] I can RT :) [12:00] http://twitter.com/#!/dholbach/status/35669417459331072 [12:00] http://identi.ca/notice/64124532 [12:01] Rt'd [12:02] http://www.facebook.com/dholbach/posts/128889760513694 [12:03] Shared too :) [12:10] thanks [12:11] restarting my session brb [12:33] Wow, that PCPro experiment is mental! [12:33] hmm? [12:45] popey: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2011/02/10/live-blog-running-pc-pro-on-ubuntu/ [12:51] blimey that's brave/stupid/misguided/misguiding [12:55] it is a bit unconventional, however they do seem to want to make it work [13:00] popey: As I said, mental. [13:31] misguiding I'd say [13:31] switching totally to a new OS without any preperation or planning? [13:31] that'll be bad no matter the OS [13:34] omg how's pcpro coming along? [13:35] oh good, a live blog [13:36] yeah [13:36] my favorite is Mike Jennings' "Ubuntu is awesome, now let's see if I can load it up with my Windows apps" [13:37] hah [13:37] I see ATI drivers are once again totally "awesome" [13:38] wow that's not so bad [13:38] we failed at things we normally fail at so no surprises [13:39] once again Exchange is the bane of work-place Linux [13:41] damn, they're using wubi? [13:41] <3 wubi [13:41] mhall119: Yea, it's a pain to migrate... but they do have a Canonical bod to hand. [13:41] yeah, but wubi, in my experience, introduces weird hardware quirks that don't exist in a normal install [13:42] doctormo: I saw that, good idea on Canonical's part [13:42] Besides are jcastro emoted, wubi is fantastic for uptake... it's just sucky for migration and vulnerable to windows death. [13:42] as* [13:42] I'm glad we sent someone [13:43] it could have been much worse [13:43] mhall119: We need to get to a point where all the hardware failures are because of hardware failure ;-) [13:45] why do people even use MSN anymore? [13:47] * mhall119 wonders if #ubuntu is full of pcpro folks [13:47] oh god, we didn't send them to IRC did we? [13:48] lol [13:49] i think AlanBell did [13:49] Great. :| [13:50] one of the biggest problems I see new Ubuntu/Linux users facing is assuming that there's nothing useful installed by default [13:50] where is the IM [13:50] how many people asked what IM client to get? Use the one that's already there! [13:50] YOU SUCK! [13:51] look how many of them installed tweetdeck too [13:51] I bet they don't know it comes with twitter too [13:51] I thought that Empathy and its settings was a bit hidden away myself. /me shrugs [13:53] everything in the messaging menu unfortunately [13:53] I am glad they are live blogging, an office full of feedback of new users is <3 [13:53] though hopefully they also sent charlene or someone from design to watch how people use their PCs [13:53] Applications->Internet->Empathy Internet Messaging [14:05] oh, nvidia xrandr fail :( [14:09] http://ubuntuone.com/p/cVu/ [14:09] woo hoo! [14:09] jcastro: sweet! [14:10] ok so this uses libunity like Places [14:10] so when we get GI Python support in Places we get it here too [14:10] cool [14:12] jcastro: neat [14:15] where's JFo when you want him :p [14:18] jcastro: mhall119 I was sending them to #ubuntu-uk not #ubuntu [14:18] ah [14:18] AlanBell: you know what would be cool [14:19] ask them to come to a loco event post-facto [14:19] or ask them to *host* a loco event [14:19] kim0, do you know anything about RTL support in MoinMoin? Someone tells me that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArabicTranslationTeam/NewTranslator does not look right (text badly aligned) and I'm not sure if it's incomplete support in MoinMoin or a bug in the new Ubuntu wiki theme [14:19] checking [14:20] the css seems broken for sure [14:21] dpm: text (at least the arabic part) looks good to me and correctly aligned .. can't see what's wrong with it [14:21] kim0: firefox? [14:21] chrome [14:21] trying ff [14:21] its broken slightly for me in chromium [14:22] jcastro: yeah that would be good [14:22] wth [14:22] I'm getting a completely different theme now [14:22] 13:51:15 < jcastro> I bet they don't know it comes with twitter too [14:22] kim0: are you seeing the new theme? [14:22] BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA! [14:23] [14:23] hmm .. when logged in .. I get the old theme which is ok .. when not logged in .. new theme and indeed wrong aligning [14:23] dpm: ^ [14:23] kim0, ah, it has to do with the new theme then... [14:23] * kim0 nods [14:24] dpm: I can take a snapshot for you for how it's supposed to look, useful ? [14:24] from the old theme [14:24] kim0, would you mind sending me a couple of screenshots and I'll file a bug? I cannot point the issues [14:24] :) [14:24] I have a shot of the new one if that helps :) [14:24] ok, I'm a slow typer.... [14:25] dpm: http://imgur.com/XD77U [14:26] the breakage in chromimum [14:26] kim0: might want to change your settings and chnage to new theme :) [14:28] dpm: just emailed you the snapshots [14:29] kim0, got them, thanks [14:30] now... does anyone know where to best file Ubuntu Wiki theme bugs? [14:30] the same place we file all wiki bugs that get ignored. :p [14:30] ubuntu-website [14:31] hehe [14:38] actually a bunch of them got moved to https://launchpad.net/canonical-isd-web [14:38] so they can be ignored from a canonical perspective [14:38] some were in danger of being fixed when they were in ubuntu-website [14:40] come on, let's not get too crazy [14:42] https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/ubuntu-website/light-moin-fixes/+merge/40794 [14:42] approved merge request not applied [14:42] bits cherry picked from it and put into production without going through trunk [14:43] I have given up [14:58] ok, thanks AlanBell and jcastro. I think I'll report it anyway, just for the fun of it [14:58] :D [15:18] jcastro: It was jpds this whole time helping pcpro [15:18] Neat! [15:19] yeah, makes me feel better [15:21] Especially as he was a community guy and has a little field experience before Canonical :-D [15:22] And an op, so he knows where and where not to send them, if anywhere on IRC. [15:23] we haven't seen them turn up in -uk [15:24] TBH, if this was a ubuntu event, we'd have put them through some kind of training. Many mistakes are rookie. [15:24] it is not the regular corporate migration procedure, certainly [15:29] good publicity for us tho [15:29] yes [15:29] publicity for us [15:29] broadly speaking it seems to have gone OK [15:29] I reserve judgement on good or bad :p [15:29] i didn't know anything about it till part way through the day [15:29] me too [15:29] I heard about it last night [15:30] (my time) [15:31] nigelb: no publicity is bad publicity [15:32] I'm glad they're at least doing this publically and in real-time [15:34] mhall119: yeah, that bit I'm very glad. [15:34] My colleagues were talking of stoning me when we switched to Ubuntu. [15:34] and good that they were close enough for Gerry to find out in time and dispatch jdps [15:34] Now though most are hesitant to work on windows systems ;) [15:35] the Top Gear stig of Ubuntu support [15:35] hehe [15:41] jpds needs to get some kind of metal or something for this [15:41] nigelb, last slot filled [15:41] \o/ [15:42] oh, thought you meant the lighting talks [15:42] no, unfortunately not - we might need a bit more propaganda there [15:42] but we can already announce UDW [15:43] I'll start writing an announcement, etc tomorrow [15:48] dholbach: rocking [15:48] Ah, I was waiting for the IS guys to come up with a session [15:49] sigh, what's the page for developer week? [15:49] google fail [15:49] jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable [15:50] jcastro: check your session description here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Sessions [15:52] mhall119: Maybe lead, or mercury? [16:00] dholbach: yay, one more for lightning talk :D [16:00] woohoo [16:17] * dholbach summons jono [16:21] that sounds like summoning a djinn;) [16:33] * popey gets a chicken (hello AlanBell), some candles and some chalk and starts drawing a pentagram on the floor. [16:34] * AlanBell locks up the chickens securely [16:35] I see my spell is working on maco [16:35] popey, is there no vegetarian way to summon people? [16:35] but thanks for helping [16:36] popey: lol [16:37] * nigelb gives popey 'accio' for homework. [16:40] dholbach: monkey nuts but that leads to all sorts of crazyness [16:40] monkey nuts? I said vegetarian! [16:40] dholbach: mind out of the gutter young lad [16:41] lol [16:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut [16:42] it can't have been my mind in the gutter, that's just my person-specific context [16:42] hehe [16:42] lol, ew [16:42] I see what you did there dholbach ;) [17:14] Proposal: we should require people subscribing to moderated Ubntu MLs to abide by the CoC. Comments? [17:15] that is already a requirement [17:15] uhhhh [17:16] http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists (when the site comes back) [17:16] popey: then, I guess, the ubuntu-users needs pruning [17:18] hggdh: People's membership would need to expire. [17:19] I still say shut that list down. :) [17:19] and sounder [17:19] there are various techincal measures that are available, but it isn't a technical problem [17:20] well, so much for that, they're trying to install Outlook on ubuntu now on pcpro [17:20] jcastro: So, we'll shut down the wiki, the mailing lists and for good measure irc ;-) [17:21] that sounds amazing! [17:21] Yes, outlook... man that's harsh [17:21] alrightie - I'll call it a day - see you all tomorrow - HUGS [17:22] hggdh: specifically? [17:22] jono: Hey, where are you? [17:26] popey: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-February/239734.html [17:26] popey: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-February/239865.html [17:26] installing outlook on Ubuntu? :( [17:26] and I am out of there [17:28] wow [17:28] why don't we just ban these people? [17:29] jcastro: this seems to be not that rare in the list. It pains me because it goes against the image we try to show [17:30] technoviking and I once had an idea of rewriting that stupid ESR document to be not so dumb [17:31] I do not think it is needed -- but, again, this is where we strive to be different [17:31] one can be a hacker, and still polite [17:31] oh hey this reminds me [17:31] http://blog.melchua.com/2011/02/08/most-fun-ive-ever-had-submitting-a-talk-proposal/ [17:32] heh [17:33] that whole thread should have died days ago [17:33] like, when I mailed! [17:34] popey: indeed, and I am very sorry (now) that I entered it [17:34] let me ban people! [17:35] although, to be frank, it bothers me when one poster states it is a question of style -- not of politeness [17:35] he has a point, however badly made [17:36] RTFM is a troll answer [17:36] that's the equivalent of lmgtfy.com links [17:39] ok, calling it a day here... [17:39] see you all tomorrow! [17:40] I don't know who else [17:40] I don't know who else [17:40] jcastro: I have to disagree, lmgtfy is rude, rtfm is vulgar. [17:41] neither should be acceptable [17:41] right, troll answers [17:41] yup [17:46] hey Technoviking [17:46] remember when I was talking about a new version of ESR's rage inducing crap document? [17:47] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-February/239865.html [17:47] yeah [17:48] ok so there's this googler who has this: http://msmvps.com/blogs/jon_skeet/archive/2010/08/29/writing-the-perfect-question.aspx [17:48] which is basically a nice version [17:48] so I just mailed him asking him if he can CC it [17:50] that looks like a great blog entry for asking question [17:50] right [17:51] so I mean, take the text, creative commons [17:51] and come up with "Asking Questions the Collaboraitve Way" or whatever [17:52] need to remove the Matthew 7:12 quote and tweak more for Ubuntu, would work well indeed [17:52] right right [17:52] this would be a starting point [17:52] also less coded specfic and be more Ubuntu general [17:52] and also, not ubuntu specific [17:52] yes. I guess the Matthew part is religion, right? [17:52] I mean, more general specific [17:53] oh awesome, john's agreed to CC-BY [17:53] hggdh: some link to a New Testament [17:53] coolness [17:53] oh man [17:53] openrespect.org/questions [17:53] there it is [17:54] um, what about the thing doctormo made? [17:54] it's unlikely most users will read any document before asking their first questions, but something to point them to might be useful indeed... ;) [17:55] right [17:55] but that's not the point [17:55] the point is to give people something better than the esr document [17:55] so that when someone is lost, confused, they get pointed to something useful [17:55] instead of a document that says "be an asshole" [17:56] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/questions === AlanBell is now known as KieranBell === KieranBell is now known as AlanBell [18:27] jono: Do you know that's you've made more join/disconnect lines this week than messages? [18:27] doctormo, yeah, I am having some networking issues :-/ [18:28] jono: Damn, what's going on with work? why are you not here, talking to us? :-) [18:29] doctormo, lol, I am slammed with work, that's the problem :-) [18:29] sorry I have not been around as much, doctormo [18:30] jono: It's ok, I'm just sad that I don't get to have your encouragements and general chat. [18:30] doctormo, yeah, I want to reseat the balance a bit better [18:30] I have not been on IRC as much recently [18:30] Keep up the good work though, :-) [18:54] thanks doctormo! [18:55] you too :-) [19:28] * popey cuddles jono [19:28] * jono cuddles popey [19:28] :-/ [19:29] Hey JFo, what are you up to? [19:30] bugs [19:30] making me crazy [19:30] how about you doctormo? [19:53] JFo: Keeping myself busy with stuff. Bugs, I almost finished a project to report lesser issues, got bored and put it down. [20:00] I can understand that [20:02] jcastro, ping? [20:09] jono: on the phone, one sec [20:42] jono: ok back [21:23] jcastro sorry for the delay, been in calls all day [21:23] can you update the front page images of uds.ubuntu.com with some images from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2011-February/003142.html [21:24] sure [21:24] where can we host these? [21:25] also do you know if the CSS does something magical or did you copy/crop them each? [21:26] jcastro maybe hotlink them? [21:26] or put them on flickr? [21:26] jcastro I cropped each [21:26] k, I'll use picasaweb, someone pointed out that the flickr thing was against their ToS [21:28] http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072131262_xN8P2 [21:28] hahaha [21:36] oh man [21:36] jono: let's use this for something in the future: http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072552440_99kAA [21:36] I don't know what [21:36] but .... [21:36] jcastrohaha [21:37] what a dork :P [21:38] :-/ Not so many pics of sessions [21:39] czajkowski: what could we possible be doing here? http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072191959_BNfQD-A-LB [21:39] jono, I'm fond of this one: http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072548845_JjvuK [21:41] oh man, there is some blackmail material in there [21:57] popey: Do you have access to a vmware box? [21:57] jono: ok, check it: http://uds.ubuntu.com/ [21:57] doctormo: no, but i have virtualbox [21:58] popey: I have vbose too, know anyone with vmware? [21:58] JFo: yours shockingly didn't make it [21:58] doctormo: yes, probably [21:59] jcastro, what do you mean? [21:59] I didn't put you in the banner unfortunately [21:59] ah [21:59] no sweat [22:00] wanna see something awesome? [22:00] ok if you insist [22:00] sure [22:00] :) [22:00] here's me saving Daniel's session in summit: http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072209328_XmkLE [22:00] he was like "hey man, launchpad swallowed up my thing" [22:00] then I got all ninja [22:00] you rock dude [22:01] this is the quintessential end-of-UDS pic [22:01] http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072183021_f5nrG-A-LB [22:01] right there. [22:04] jcastro: i think you're doing air guitar [22:05] (in the one with you and cztab) [22:05] or maybe it's mid headbang? [22:05] both? [22:05] your hands look air-guitaring, and headbang is a common accompaniment... [22:07] I'm glad the party went as well as it did [22:13] thanks jcastro, looks great! [22:13] JFo, lol! [22:13] :) [22:13] rawr [22:15] i see a bug [22:15] the left arrow is fully visible [22:15] right one is cut off [22:15] file it on ubuntu-website please [22:18] done [22:18] link so I can confirm pls? [22:18] czajkowski, around? [22:21]