[08:30] <ApOgEE> selamat petang
[08:38] <sweemeng> http://openfarmtech.org/wiki/Global_Village_Construction_Set
[09:36] <ApOgEE> salam mnajem
[09:37] <mnajem> salaam
[09:42] <ApOgEE> eheh
[09:43] <ApOgEE> sepi je IRC ni...
[09:43] <ApOgEE> tak semeriah dulu
[09:44] <ApOgEE> semuanya sibuk bekerja demi menyara anak isteri
[09:44] <sweemeng> biasala
[09:44] <sweemeng> lagi pun berapa yang masih guna irc
[09:44] <ApOgEE> tu la sweemeng ... ko keje kat mana sekarang?
[09:44] <ApOgEE> atau bisnes kenchang?
[09:44] <sweemeng> PJ
[09:44] <sweemeng> programmer
[09:44] <sweemeng> lepas lama jadi programmer
[09:45] <sweemeng> rasa nak jadi tauke kedai komputer pulak
[09:45] <ApOgEE> sweemeng: keje ngan orang ke masih berdikari (keje sendiri)?
[09:45] <sweemeng> tak
[09:45] <sweemeng> century software
[09:45] <sweemeng> yang selalu di conference too
[09:46] <ApOgEE> apa yg tak?... tak keje ngan orang?
[09:46] <ApOgEE> ooo.. kampeni sendiri nama century software ka?
[09:47] <sweemeng> kerje kat kompeni orang lain la
[09:47]  * sweemeng is now a programmer with a real boss on top
[09:48] <ApOgEE> oooo... aku ingatkan ko boss sendiri
[09:48] <ApOgEE> itu hari bukanke ko dah jadi boss sendiri?
[09:48] <ApOgEE> apa yang berlaku?
[09:50] <sweemeng> mereka mcm tak ada tujuan yang confirm la
[09:50] <sweemeng> everything look like a moving target
[09:51]  * sweemeng sekarang, kerja dulu, simpan duit, then tgk cam ne
[09:52] <ApOgEE> ooo...
[09:52] <ApOgEE> ko buat program apa?
[09:52] <sweemeng> but duit semua masuk gadget lol
[09:52] <sweemeng> python
[09:53] <sweemeng> financial app
[09:56] <ApOgEE> python?... running kat gadget gak ke?
[09:56] <sweemeng> tak de
[09:56] <sweemeng> nevermind that
[09:57] <sweemeng> ApOgEE, sekarang belajar python di android saya
[09:57] <sweemeng> http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/
[09:58] <ApOgEE> apa yg boleh dihasilkan dgn scripting kat android tu?
[09:59] <sweemeng> banyak juga
[09:59] <ApOgEE> boleh buat apps?...
[09:59] <ApOgEE> socket app?... irc?
[09:59] <sweemeng> yeah
[09:59] <sweemeng> http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/wiki/ApiReference
[10:00] <sweemeng> contoh yang mereka bagi guna module python seperti biasa
[10:00] <ApOgEE> ok, aku tunggu sweemengIRC utk android... ;)
[10:00] <ApOgEE> kalo release nanti jgn lupa kasitau aku
[10:00] <sweemeng> dan mereka guna module Android
[10:00] <sweemeng> lol
[10:00] <sweemeng> untuk gps
[10:00] <sweemeng> blue tooth dan sebagai nya
[10:01] <ApOgEE> menarik
[10:02] <ApOgEE> sayangnya, aku belum ada android... kumpul duit nak buat bisnes... takleh beli gadget
[10:02] <sweemeng> good for you
[10:02] <ApOgEE> sweemeng, scripting tu boleh play around dengan calls?
[10:03] <sweemeng> tak try lagi
[10:03] <sweemeng> saya sedang belajar
[10:03] <ApOgEE> kalau orang call, boleh buat answering machine ke...
[10:03] <sweemeng> saya pun tak tau boleh ke tak
[10:03] <ApOgEE> huhuhu... kalo aku ada gadget tu, aku nak cubalah... buat answering machine
[10:04] <ApOgEE> tekan satu untuk merepek, tekan dua untuk membeli kerepek
[10:04] <sweemeng> lol
[10:04] <sweemeng> baik guna asterisk
[10:04] <ApOgEE> kalo aku enable apps tu, mesti orang tanak call aku dah...
[10:04] <ApOgEE> asterisk tak best... hari2 aku dah main
[10:05] <ApOgEE> ada asterisk utk android?
[10:05] <sweemeng> tak de
[10:05] <ApOgEE> huhu
[10:05] <sweemeng> saya rasa pun tak boleh call orang or terima call
[10:06] <ApOgEE> eh?
[10:06] <ApOgEE> kenapa?
[10:06] <sweemeng> baru saya baca api nya
[10:06] <sweemeng> http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/wiki/ApiReferencehttp://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/wiki/ApiReference#phoneCall
[10:06] <sweemeng> http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/wiki/ApiReference#phoneCall
[10:06]  * sweemeng meanwhile, brb
[10:08] <ApOgEE> ooo
[10:20] <mnajem> w00t w00t
[10:20]  * mnajem waiting to pick up wife at LRT
[10:20] <mnajem> and reheat last nite frozen soto soup
[10:20] <mnajem> forgot to eat this morning
[10:23] <kaeru> ApOgEE: self-funded business is tough. 
[10:23]  * kaeru should share our experience sometime
[10:27] <sweemeng> after the foss distro workshop
[10:27] <sweemeng> we should have foss business workshop
[10:27] <kaeru> though our model is not easy to replicate
[10:28] <kaeru> building human/org capacity
[10:28] <kaeru> is really hard
[10:28] <sweemeng> here is some interesting possibly related topic
[10:28] <sweemeng> so the company is introducing hudson to the team
[10:29] <sweemeng> other team anyway
[10:29] <sweemeng> it took them time to learn it, because, they are not ready
[10:29] <sweemeng> and my australian boss is like wondering why the dev is not happy
[10:29] <sweemeng> again, the business is not ready
[10:30] <kaeru> yes
[10:30] <sweemeng> kaeru, it possibly that, malaysian generally not quite ready for the models
[10:30] <sweemeng> the hacker business model
[10:30]  * kaeru disagree
[10:30] <sweemeng> possibly due to who i dealt with in the project
[10:30] <kaeru> because of brain drain
[10:30] <sweemeng> so i might be biased
[10:31] <sweemeng> kaeru, that too
[10:31] <kaeru> .my is not ready for human capital intensive work
[10:31] <kaeru> you just can't do stuff
[10:31] <kaeru> ie. say you need networking
[10:31] <kaeru> you're a software dev/sysadmin what have you
[10:31] <kaeru> in .my
[10:31] <kaeru> you can't depend on contractor to do wiring properly
[10:31] <sweemeng> yeah
[10:31] <kaeru> so you'll have to waste time
[10:32] <kaeru> wiring guy can't depend on suppliers 
[10:32] <kaeru> and so on..
[10:32]  * sweemeng can feel ya
[10:32]  * sweemeng looking at the company sysadmin.......
[10:32] <kaeru> it's not that we don't have really smart people
[10:32] <kaeru> we do
[10:32] <kaeru> smart and creative
[10:32] <sweemeng> but they're gone
[10:33] <sweemeng> thanks to a variety of reason
[10:33] <kaeru> just that the brain drain causes everyone to be sucked down
[10:34] <kaeru> eg. ApOgEE here probably knows more about color printing processes than 95% of "professional" print shops in Malaysia
[10:34] <sweemeng> true
[10:35]  * sweemeng sometime thinks what left of the geeks is really the foss guys
[10:35] <sweemeng> though really i know it is not true
[10:35] <sweemeng> either way
[10:35] <sweemeng> brb
[10:35]  * kaeru heading home
[10:35] <kaeru> heh.. walks home 
[10:36] <kaeru> I can see the poor suckers wasting time on federal highway jam out the window
[10:36] <kaeru> again.. bad public transport -> people wasting lives in highway jams
[11:46] <yuskhanzab> salam..
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[16:00] <sweemeng__> ubuntu hardware component catalog