[00:10] <sprite> anyone know an irc channel i can go to for hp proliant support?
[01:05] <siya> Evening all
[01:05] <siya> Just had the weirdest thing
[01:06] <siya> Making screen shots my Amarock indicator came up
[01:06] <siya> Now my 2nd screen is zoomed into the active app (not F11 style)
[01:06] <siya> and my mouse pointer is gone
[01:14] <siya> Seems hitting F2 and running compiz gave me my mouse pointer back
[01:15] <siya> then had to "mess" with the screen settings turning 2nd monitor off/on and changing resolutions on both several times has sorted it
[06:16] <beagle> is there much updated from 10.041 to 10.10 it didnt look like it
[06:16] <beagle> did they add video drivers
[06:16] <beagle> its a pain setting up ubuntu
[06:16] <beagle> atleast i wrote down how
[06:17] <beagle> it wasnt much different when it had opengl either
[06:17] <beagle> does it emulate directx as well
[06:17] <beagle> as opengl
[06:18] <MartijnVdS> !notwindows
[07:10] <AlanBell> morning
[07:10] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:11]  * MartijnVdS waits for mr electricity man (who will replace the entire electrical system in my house with one from this century)
[07:27] <hoover> mornin all
[07:31] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all
[08:10] <hoover> mornin
[08:26] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:29] <daubers> Morning
[08:31] <DJones> Good & Happy Thursday to all
[08:31] <dwatkins> Hiya
[08:32] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[08:44] <DJones> czajkowski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/10/job_site_breach/ Hope you weren't registered on this site
[09:08] <dwatkins> ouch, that's not good - one more reason to use my smapbox (i.e. hotmail account) for such things
[09:08] <dwatkins> also, spambox
[09:14] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:15] <screen-x> <-- should buy some mudguards
[09:15] <MooDoo> morning
[09:16] <DJones> screen-x: Or not go off-roading
[09:16] <screen-x> DJones: was bad enough on the road this morning..
[09:17] <DJones> screen-x: Just general rubbish on the roads or following a tractor type vehicle
[09:18] <screen-x> DJones: Wasn't raining, but must have been raining over night, so roads had a film of water on the surface.
[09:19]  * screen-x guesses python syslog interface
[10:02] <JamesTait> Bore da!
[10:04] <dwatkins> Aloha!
[10:07] <screen-x> morning JamesTait  :)
[10:11] <czajkowski> DJones: aye
[10:11] <czajkowski> :(
[10:13] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:13] <popey> lo
[10:15] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:20] <DJones> hi s-fox
[10:21] <s-fox> Hello DJones . How are you?
[10:22] <MooDoo> blimey what a morning
[10:22] <DJones> s-fox: Not bad thanks, hows you
[10:23] <screen-x> Whats going on MooDoo?
[10:23] <MooDoo> screen-x: just busy...:)
[10:25] <screen-x> while :; do todo=$(( $todo +1 )); done
[10:25] <MooDoo> :)
[10:29] <dwatkins> Is that not recursive?
[10:31] <dwatkins> oh, I thought it would add the text, not perform maths.
[10:31] <s-fox> I am okay thank you DJones , little tired but okay thank you.
[10:34] <cps> morning peeps :)
[10:34] <s-fox> Hello cps . How are you ?
[10:34] <cps> s-fox, I'm alright, you?
[10:36] <s-fox> Not too bad thank you, looking forward to Saturday :)
[10:38] <s-fox> My birthday is on the monday, but friends are taking me out for dinner on saturday night. Also wales are coming to murrayfield on saturday, so generally in a good mood cps =)
[10:38] <cps> cool :)
[10:40] <dwatkins> The Drobo seems to be a really easy to use NAS, and makes me wonder if it would be possible to setup Ubuntu to allow automated rebuilds of md disks in an array in the same manner, but actually implement NFS and CIFS shares in an open fashion - does anyone know if this is already being done?
[10:41] <popey> dwatkins: people have tried
[10:41] <popey> <- one of those people
[10:41] <dwatkins> popey: ah, I imagine it's not easy to automate it all, but in theory should be possible, no?
[10:42] <Laney> Chaps
[10:43] <shauno> it's certainly possible, else drobo wouldn't be doing it ;)
[10:43] <Laney> If car A is trying to go straight on at a crossroads and car B is trying to turn right from the opposite side to car A, who has priority?
[10:43] <AlanBell> Meeting Thursday February 10th 21:00 GMT in #ubuntu-uk-meeting  http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet
[10:43] <dwatkins> shauno: true, but they seem to have closed clients
[10:43] <screen-x> is snort still the IDS of choice?
[10:44] <AlanBell> Laney: car A, unless there are lights
[10:44] <AlanBell> I think
[10:44] <AlanBell> did you get hit by car B?
[10:44] <Laney> no, just honked at
[10:45] <screen-x> Laney: yeah, car A, as they would have to cross the other carriage way
[10:45] <BigRedS> Ah, but legal technicalities don't really have that much of an effect upon the way people drive
[10:46] <Laney> yeah, well it's not really an uncommon situation
[10:46] <shauno> I think if it's a 4-way stop, it's whoever got there first.  if there's no stops (signs/lights), then A has to have right of way in their own lane
[10:46] <screen-x> do we even have 4 way stops?
[10:46] <Laney> They are a US-ism AFAIK
[10:46] <BigRedS> no, we have roundabouts
[10:46] <dwatkins> in the US, you can turn right on a red signal
[10:46] <screen-x> \o/ roundabouts
[10:47] <shauno> that varies by state dwatkins :/
[10:47] <dwatkins> shauno: ah ok, didn't know that
[10:47] <BigRedS> I don't think i've ever seen that sort of response to a roundabout :)
[10:47] <Laney> anyway yeah, I thought you always passed offside-to-offside unless directed
[10:47] <dwatkins> magic roundabouts \o/ \o/
[10:47] <Laney> so, /me basks in being right
[10:47] <dwatkins> Laney: I agree
[10:47] <shauno> I like right-on-red, until you're somewhere new and not sure if it's allowed or not
[10:48] <screen-x> BigRedS: much more fun than traffic lights
[10:48] <MooDoo> best round about i've seen is one in hemel hempstead
[10:48] <shauno> I do like roundabouts with roundabouts on them.  they're fantastic foreigner-filters.  not so sure about lights on roundabouts tho
[10:48] <AlanBell> I always shut my eyes when driving round the hemel one, it keeps me calmer
[10:49] <AlanBell> when I don't have my peril sensitive sunglasses on
[10:49] <MooDoo> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&source=embed&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=211041196340417400576.00047d206258b3bd79c9b&ll=51.745944,-0.473388&spn=0.002704,0.004823&t=h&z=18
[10:49] <diplo> http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/image_galleries/wiltshire_live_search_gallery.shtml?15
[10:49] <diplo> Swindons magic roundabout
[10:50] <screen-x> diplo: wut?
[10:50] <MooDoo> uh ho! popey goes ops
[10:50] <screen-x> thats crazy
[10:50] <diplo> God awful isn't it
[10:50] <diplo> Got to be the worst ever
[10:50] <Laney> I like how you can end up going backwards around it
[10:51] <DJones> Can anybody explain this from teh BT website talking about estimated speed of broadband "BT always give you the best speed possible on your line.The speed prediction we have given here is an estimate.The actual speed is dependent on several factors such as the processing power of your computer"...How does the processing power of the computer affect the download speed?
[10:52] <BigRedS> well, if they get fast enough your NIC could be a bottleneck...
[10:52] <screen-x> DJones: its possible in the case of a USB ADSL modem
[10:52] <shauno> used to get that with softmodems (glorified soundcards)
[10:53] <dwatkins> DJones: if you have a slow PC it might have issues, but also BT's exchange regularly checks the capacity of the broadband connection and ramps it up or down depending on the quality/bandwidth - if you shut down your router over night, it will actually *slow* your broadband connection in general (which seems crazy but has been explained to me by a BT engineer in great detail)
[10:53] <shauno> I imagine at the right speeds, things like throughput to disk could become real factors tho
[10:53] <rowinggolfer> BT connection woes?
[10:54] <DJones> And there was me thinking that the download speed would be independent of computer
[10:54] <dwatkins> I wish my internet connection was that fast, shauno ;)
[10:54] <dwatkins> DJones: it's a case of where the bottleneck[s] are/is
[10:54] <DJones> dwatkins: True
[10:54] <rowinggolfer> DJones, have you tried tweaking the MTU?
[10:55] <dwatkins> if you have wifi, you might not get more than 10 MBit throughput, because that's about as much real-world speed you're going to get from 802.11g, I gather
[10:55] <DJones> rowinggolfer: Its not me, my dad is looking to change from F2S/Tiscali/Opal to BT Broadband and asked me to have a look at it & that was just a comment on the bt website
[10:56] <rowinggolfer> ah, ok. I jumped in half way through.
[10:56] <dwatkins> I have BT at home, and have been in regular contact with their UK support department due to frequent drop-outs of my connection :-/
[10:57] <dwatkins> BT broadband, that is
[10:57] <shauno> it used to be that tiscali lines were just resold BT ones.  dunno if that's still the case.
[10:57] <rowinggolfer> dwatkins, i had huge issues with my BT connection here until I lowered the MTU. I'm still wondering if I'm the only person that has found that to be of value
[10:58] <dwatkins> bethere uses BT lines, but doesn't have quite so many bandwidth issues, somehow
[10:58] <DJones> F2S used to be really good, but since they got bought by Tiscali, my dad's been getting a lot more problems & mostly seems to be problems with their equipment rather than the BT line
[10:58] <rowinggolfer> dwatkins, ditto virgin.
[10:58] <dwatkins> rowinggolfer: interesting, what did you lower it to, 1400?
[10:58] <BigRedS> DJones: it's only the copper that's BT's
[10:58] <rowinggolfer> dwatkins, in the end 512 :(
[10:58] <dwatkins> wow, rowinggolfer
[10:58] <BigRedS> Er, ^^ was aimed at dwatkins
[10:59] <dwatkins> BigRedS: yeah, so I gather - I guess that means bethere have their own routers at the exchange
[10:59] <BigRedS> yup
[11:05] <popey> Daviey: etherpad seems to be down
[11:05] <popey> can anyone else get to http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/2011plan
[11:06] <s-fox> Failed for me
[11:06] <Daviey> ah yes
[11:06] <DJones> Service Temprarily Unavailable
[11:06] <moreati> popey: I can reach Apache, which reports 'Service Temporarily Unavailable"
[11:06] <Daviey> i knew that...
[11:08] <rowinggolfer> anyone here use wmii2?
[11:10] <screen-x> rowinggolfer: used to use wmii, now I use compiz + grid plugin :)
[11:12] <andylockran> Howdy Peoples!
[11:12] <andylockran> czajkowski: can I bring along a few peeps to the #ubuntu-uk-rugby meetup?  Making a weekend of it for my birthday celebrations.
[11:13] <rowinggolfer> screen-x, ty looking
[11:14] <czajkowski> sure
[11:14] <czajkowski> andylockran: the more the merrier
[11:15] <davmor2> morning all
[11:15] <screen-x> !info compiz-fusion-plugins-extra |rowinggolfer
[11:15] <andylockran> morning davmor2
[11:15] <screen-x> rowinggolfer: has to be enabled in ccsm
[11:15] <davmor2> hugs czajkowski to spread the ubuntu love
[11:17] <czajkowski> andylockran: just update your acceptance to +number
[11:21] <Daviey> popey, back
[11:23] <andylockran> czajkowski: ok, ta
[11:23]  * screen-x finds out how to get detailed cpu utilisation graphis in xymon/hobbit :)
[11:24] <kazade> you guys watching the #ubuntupro hashtag?
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> people watch hashtags?!
[11:24] <kazade> PCPro have switched to Ubuntu for the day
[11:24] <kazade> they are all micro-blogging about it and live blogging here: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2011/02/10/live-blog-running-pc-pro-on-ubuntu/
[11:25] <kazade> so far it's not been great :/
[11:25] <kazade> well, in fairness it doesn't sound like they did much prep
[11:25] <davmor2> kazade: but the issues they are having are fairly minor to be fair
[11:25] <davmor2> the biggest one is the video playback
[11:25] <kazade> yeah, the graphics issue is the most severe one
[11:25] <kazade> :)
[11:26] <kazade> also the guy who has to reinstall each time he activates the ATI driver
[11:26] <kazade> that's pretty bad
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> you shouldn't enable the ATI driver unless you need a feature the free driver doesn't provide
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> same with nvidia
[11:26] <DJones> Heh "Canonical have found out about our Ubuntu experiment, and are sending over a support engineer
[11:26] <DJones> I wonder who's missing from -uk irc today
[11:27] <davmor2> kazade: he possibly doesn't need to install the driver to do what he needs throughout the day the free one works
[11:27] <kazade> yeah, he said he wanted to try Compiz
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> DJones: Maybe sabdfl is going over himself :)
[11:27] <BigRedS> DJones: Doesn't that defy the point slightly?
[11:28] <kazade> BigRedS, I don't think so. If you have trouble with Windows, you turn to someone who knows about it.. it's just with Windows that's pretty much any techie within reach
[11:28] <davmor2> DJones: weren't support engineers :P  there are a couple in the millbank office though iirc
[11:28] <DJones> BigRedS: I don't think it would, if a commercial organisation was to change to ubuntu, there's probably a good chance they'd take out a support contract which I'd think would offer a support engineer if necessary
[11:29] <davmor2> BigRedS: They are making a list of everything the engineer does and to be honest I don't think he'll be raced off his feet
[11:30] <kazade> That guy with the graphics issues is now having problems with his updates
[11:30] <BigRedS> Yeah, it's just that, publicly at least, it looks like "we can switch to ubuntu if Canoical send along some of their finest"
[11:30] <kazade> he can only boot into an old kernel
[11:30] <BigRedS> I'd just prefer it if they didn't end up needing them, or could do it all from IRC/google/forums.
[11:30] <BigRedS> though, admittedly, they probably need to get some work done, too :)
[11:32] <DJones> Perhaps somebody should put a reply to their twitter/email & invite them into -uk to get assistance as well
[11:32] <n1md4> Hello.  Has anyone set up heartbeat before?  I'm playing around with some config, but can't quite get it right. http://pastebin.com/TF8jecAH if you can help.
[11:32] <DJones> Or maybe they're already here spying on us
[11:33] <davmor2> BigRedS: to be honest on office based rollouts you probably have some one proficient set it all up anyway,  they all seem to be using wubi which can have issues anyway but on the whole should just work
[11:36] <screen-x> wubi wubi wubi wubi ahh ahh ahh ahh ahahhhhhhhhhhh
[11:36] <BigRedS> davmor2: Yeah, I just wanted it to be a better propaganda excercise :)
[11:37] <DJones> n1md4: Can't say I've heard of heartbeat, if you don't get an response here it might be worth asking in #ubuntu
[11:38] <rapha> Hi all
[11:38] <screen-x> DJones: heartbeat is for HA/failover, but I've never used it.
[11:38] <rapha> Funny, that PCPro experiment ...
[11:38] <screen-x> rapha: yeah, we've just been talking about it :)
[11:38] <rapha> screen-x: bit unfair though - their Windowses are already set up and all, and Ubuntu they need to configure for themselves first
[11:39] <screen-x> rapha: yeah
[11:39] <screen-x> rapha: they'd have many problems if they all arrived at work with wiped machines, and had to setup a windows network from scratch
[11:39] <kazade> tech support from canonical has arrived
[11:39] <kazade> they are working on that graphic card problem
[11:39] <screen-x> I wonder who they sent..
[11:40] <kazade> £Our tech support from @gerrycanonical has arrived. Mike Jennings' graphics cards is his first challenge... #ubuntupro£
[11:40] <rapha> also what's with "trying to find an IM tool" - they're going at this with a Windows mentality, assuming there wasn't one built in
[11:40] <screen-x> rapha: though they do mention pidgin higher up
[11:40] <rapha> yeah but pidgin is NOT the one that's built in
[11:40] <rapha> shouldn't have had to install anything at all
[11:40] <kazade> I don't think that the messaging menu is as prominent as it should be on first run
[11:41] <Laney> applications -> internet?
[11:41] <kazade> if you don't know it exists you would go looking for stuff like that
[11:41] <kazade> Laney, fair point :)
[11:41] <rapha> maybe not, but then, if i installed win7 for the first time, stuff wouldn't be obvious either
[11:42] <kazade> god Gwibber sucks
[11:42] <rapha> can anyone imagine what mikejennings did to get "dozens of error messages" after updating? i never ever got that
[11:42] <BigRedS> it's entirely possible that he's under the impression that any output at all is an error message
[11:42] <BigRedS> it is incomprehensible unless you actually read it, and many people don't like reading it
[11:42] <BigRedS> Oh, or he could've used the clicky interface...
[11:43] <kazade> I still reckon that Ubuntu needs to be more robust when it comes to borked graphics..
[11:43] <rapha> hmm yeah i've had that problem when installing older ubuntu versions on people's computers
[11:43] <rapha> but 10.10 doesn't really show any output during booting
[11:43] <kazade> really, it shouldn't be possible to stop your PC booting by clicking that "Activate driver" button
[11:47] <kazade> I think we might see a few people joining the channel :)
[11:47] <DJones> kazade: Just noticed the hint on twitter
[11:49] <rapha> the only prob i've ever had with graphics drivers is with the 11.04 alpha with my Sandy Bridge built-in graphics
[11:50] <screen-x> sandybridge eh?
[11:50] <rapha> yeah
[11:50] <kazade> rapha, you obviously weren't around when Breezy came out ;)
[11:50] <screen-x> rapha: any stat issues?
[11:50] <rapha> i've been using ubuntu since the first version
[11:50] <rapha> screen-x: stat?
[11:50] <screen-x> oops s/stat/sata/
[11:51] <rapha> screen-x: yeah, can't get Windows XP to work with AHCI
[11:51] <directhex> rapha, got a calendar handy?
[11:51] <rapha> directhex: i use my phone for that, sorry
[11:51] <rapha> directhex: try Sunbird yet?
[11:52] <directhex> rapha, usefully, my computer informs me of the required data, i.e. which year it is
[11:52] <rapha> rather, Lightning, as it is called now
[11:52] <screen-x> rapha: I dont think AHCI is supported in XP, unless you have a specific driver.
[11:53] <rapha> directhex: well, mine does that, too :-D - upper right corner, don't need no calendar for that
[11:53] <directhex> XP is a decade old. decade-old OS in "doesn't magically love <decade old hardware"
[11:53] <rapha> screen-x: well, one did come with the mainboard...
[11:53] <directhex> if we stuck with old technology, nothing would ever improve. much like IE6 did for years.
[11:53] <rapha> screen-x: but you probably were referring to the chipset problems; those apparently only apply for the slower 3GB/s SATA ports
[11:53] <screen-x> rapha: ah ok :)
[11:53] <rapha> directhex: need XP for some legacy apps ... it's okay though - just need to change to IDE in the BIOS
[11:54] <screen-x> rapha: or use a VM, sounds like quite a spiffy machine
[11:54] <directhex> ...
[11:54] <directhex> using IDE emulation on a modern system makes baby jesus cry
[11:55] <screen-x> directhex: its ok, it didnt happen, there are no disks, just an iSCSI connection to a RAM SAN
[11:55] <rapha> screen-x: tell me once you get graphics acceleration to work in VirtualBox
[11:55] <screen-x> I thought that worked in v4?
[11:56] <rapha> screen-x: maybe i should try again, then
[11:56] <directhex> no NCQ in IDE mode, iirc
[11:58] <nigelb> Ahoy Ukers
[11:59] <moreati> ahoy
[12:00] <morleypotter> Hi all, Just a (potentially) quickie if you don't mind please?
[12:00] <andylockran> sure
[12:00] <morleypotter> thanks
[12:00] <BigRedS> (long questions are acceptable, too)
[12:01] <morleypotter> when running Ubuntu desktop from a external disk, is it possible to power it down when idling without causing any problem?
[12:01] <morleypotter> @bigreds - lol
[12:01] <nigelb> Anyone build a cool app they want to showcase during Ubuntu Developer week? :)
[12:02] <screen-x> morleypotter: potter power down the external disk? and by idle do you mean suspend to disk?
[12:03] <morleypotter> sorry - yes power down the disk, but not suspend as such. [I have Ubuntu running on a 3.5 disk in a caddy linked to my Joggler and it's getting a bit warm!]
[12:04] <screen-x> morleypotter: which partitions/mounts are on the external disk?
[12:04] <morleypotter> 1 partition, no swap, mounted at /.
[12:04] <moreati> morleypotter: I don't think that would be safe. Ubuntu would see it as a disconnection without unmount, which risks corrupting data on the disk
[12:05] <screen-x> morleypotter: yeah, not a good idea to disconnect the root partition.
[12:06] <screen-x> morleypotter: even if it was ok, you'd struggle to find a mount binary to mount it after reconnection
[12:06] <morleypotter> right, ok, i assumed it would work like an internal disk though?
[12:06] <Oli``> Any Sound Ninjas around? System crashed today and now PulseAudio won't add my sound card as a sink, leaving me with no sound. When I start PA manually it thinks the card is busy. There's more detail here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/25622/my-sound-stopped-working-today-how-can-i-fix-it
[12:06] <moreati> morleypotter: and disconnect/powering down an internal disk like that would also be bad
[12:07] <morleypotter> hmmm...
[12:07] <morleypotter> will it be doing any damage to the disk leaving it on all the time?
[12:07] <moreati> morleypotter: point of clarification - exactly want did you mean by powering down the disk?
[12:08] <morleypotter> I probably could have explained myself better, apologies.
[12:09] <morleypotter> basically my concern is damaging the disk, so i assumed i could stop the disk spinning when the o/s is idling.
[12:10] <moreati> morleypotter: By what means, unplugging the power?
[12:11] <morleypotter> no, by using some sort of power save mode, or something already built in to Ubuntu.
[12:13] <moreati> morleypotter: Now I'm not following you. You want the computer to continue running, but the disk to be not spinning. Ubuntu should automatically allow the disk to spin down *when there is no disk activity*
[12:15] <morleypotter> I thought that, but I can feel the disk "moving" everytime I check and the caddy is now really warm to the touch (has been on for 48 hours now)
[12:16] <moreati> What are you running on the machine?
[12:16] <DJones> I wonder whether the settings for the screensaver might help, there is an option on teh power management tab to spin down hard disks when possible
[12:17] <moreati> (by that I mean what programs/services does the machine run/provide?)
[12:17] <morleypotter> It has Skype on it, which may keep it going. other than that a private web server (rarely accessed)
[12:17] <rowinggolfer> kazade, that live blog is damn positive IMO.
[12:17] <morleypotter> no odd services, it's a fairly new install
[12:19] <moreati> morleypotter: Skype could cause regular disk activity. If left running it can use the machine as a node in the skype network - for routing calls or something
[12:19] <morleypotter> I didn't think of anything like that until you just mentioned it.
[12:20] <dwatkins> That reminds me, I should check how to monitor disk usage with 'sar'.
[12:20] <moreati> morleypotter: finding such programs can be a game of whack-a-mole
[12:20] <morleypotter> I'll try turning it off, and check it in a while
[12:21] <morleypotter> how long do you think it should take to spin down?
[12:21] <dwatkins> The system will modify each file every time it is accessed unless the filesystem its on is mounted with 'noatime'
[12:21] <dwatkins> So if you have any cron jobs running, or any processes at-all with files they are writing to, the disk will be very unlikely to spin down
[12:21] <morleypotter> @dwatkins - How can i check that? with sar?
[12:22] <dwatkins> morleypotter: sorry but I don't know an easy way of doing this, it depends what you are running - is it a minimal server, or a desktop machine, i.e. with a GUI?
[12:22] <dwatkins> at least if it's not running anything graphical there's less that it will be doing
[12:22] <moreati> dwatkins: given Skype, it' a GUI machine
[12:23] <morleypotter> It's a desktop install, it has to be so i can access the original features of the joggler
[12:23] <dwatkins> ah yes, moreati
[12:23] <dwatkins> morleypotter: you could start by looking at the output of this command at the terminal: /usr/sbin/lsof
[12:24] <dwatkins> The entries which relate to things in /dev are less likely to cause disk activity, but it's worth looking at the rest to see what's being run
[12:24] <morleypotter> Thanks dwatkins
[12:25] <dwatkins> morleypotter: the 2nd column is process ID, you can grep the 'ps -ef' output for those numbers, have fun :)
[12:25] <moreati> morleypotter: This  should tell how your disk is mounted: cat /etc/mtab | grep ' / '
[12:27] <moreati> If noatime or relatime aren't mentioned, then every disk read actually results in a write as well.
[12:28] <Oli``> Anybody have an idea what might be causing arecord to run as root all the time? It's blocking my sound card and I don't know why it's running in the first place
[12:28] <morleypotter> moreati, dwatkins - I really appreciate your help, I've got a lot to be getting on with then. I'll report back shortly - Thanks again.
[12:29]  * moreati notes his / partition isn't mounted (no|rel)atime and wonders whether the above is wrong
[12:29] <moreati> I'd assumed that the Ubuntu partitioner/setup set one of those as a default
[12:31] <popey> thanks Daviey
[12:33] <morleypotter> moreati: output of the command you suggested, all seems ok then for me? /dev/sda2 / ext4 rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 0
[12:34] <morleypotter> dwatkins: /usr/sbin/lsof returns 'no such file or directory'
[12:34] <moreati> morleypotter: indeed that is a fine setting - reads won't become writes
[12:34] <moreati> morleypotter: just lsof, it's actually in /usr/bin/lsof
[12:37] <morleypotter> oh, i see, sorry.
[12:39] <morleypotter> moreati: That's a lot of information!
[12:40] <moreati> One of the #ubuntupro tweets is asking about swapping the window buttons back. Is Ubuntu Tweak a good suggestion these days? The download page mentions nothing after Karmic
[12:40] <DJones> !controls
[12:41] <DJones> moreati: That last link should be the answer
[12:41] <DJones> I've already replied to that one with the link
[12:43] <moreati> DJones: Fair enough, I was thinking Windows IT types might prefer the TweakUI-ness of UT
[12:44] <moreati> in fact i was very beaten by several :)
[13:10] <dogmatic69> any recommendations (apps etc) for using amazon on ubuntu
[13:11] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: doing what? compute or storage? backups or general access?
[13:11] <dogmatic69> general access
[13:11] <dogmatic69> login, download etc
[13:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> dogmatic69: A web browser?
[13:11] <dogmatic69> i only have the key/secret thing
[13:11] <dogmatic69> no username/pw
[13:11] <moreati> dogmatic69: Banshee is good for Amazon MP3
[13:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> I was joking ;-) You mean Amazon EC2 rather then the online shop I take it?
[13:12] <dogmatic69> yes
[13:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/then/than
[13:12] <dogmatic69> is BigRedS the only one that is with me today :D
[13:16] <screen-x> dogmatic69: there is at least one fuse filesystem for s3
[13:17] <dogmatic69> i just need the name, apt-get <something>
[13:18] <moreati> dogmatic69: what are you after? Something to run inside your EC2 instance, or something to run on your desktop for managing EC2 instances?
[13:18] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: duplicity is a backup tool for ec3
[13:18] <dogmatic69> like i said, just want to download files off it
[13:18] <BigRedS> but it's not a good tool for using it as an attached disk
[13:18] <screen-x> dogmatic69: http://code.google.com/p/s3fs/wiki/FuseOverAmazon
[13:19] <BigRedS> I don't think I've ever come across a prebuilt way of doing that. It's quite easy to write, though
[13:19] <BigRedS> Oh, screen-x has :)
[13:19] <BigRedS> I've never looked, thinking about it
[13:20] <screen-x> There is a package here, but it may not be very mature: https://launchpad.net/~zlj/+archive/test-daily/+buildjob/1815814
[13:44] <dwatkins> moreati: sorry, I was checking from a different distro
[13:46] <moreati> dwatkins: np, no harm done
[13:47]  * dwatkins considers an S3 account for backups
[13:48] <bastubis> stupid question - how to I edit the events list?
[13:51] <DJones> bastubis: Do you mean the 2011 events list/plan?
[13:51] <bastubis> this: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk/events
[13:51] <bastubis> or is that not the right one?
[13:51] <DJones> bastubis: If so, just go to http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/2011plan
[13:52] <DJones> Ah, that one I linked was the suggestions for things to do this year
[13:52] <bastubis> No, this is something ubuntu-related we're running, just to let people know
[13:52] <DJones> Give me a sec
[13:52] <bastubis> no probs :)
[13:54] <DJones> bastubis: I'm not sure if users can edit those pages
[13:54] <DJones> Maybe popey AlanBell or Daviey would know about that
[13:55] <s-fox> Anyone keeping an eye on pc pro today?
[13:55] <Daviey> bastubis, are you logged in?
[13:55]  * s-fox is enjoying the running commentry on their blog 
[13:55] <DJones> s-fox: Yep
[13:56] <DJones> s-fox: Its quite interesting, along with the occasional discussions in here
[13:56]  * s-fox got a mention in their twitter DJones , lmao
[13:56] <bastubis> yes, I'm logged into launchpad with open ID - do I need an admin login?
[13:56] <s-fox> DJones,  http://twitter.com/#!/pcpro/status/35695582102159360
[13:57] <DJones> Heh
[13:59] <DJones> Ugh, why don't people know the difference between their username and their password for logging into things
[14:00] <bastubis> what'd I do?
[14:02] <dwatkins> That's pretty fundamental, DJones :-/
[14:09] <screen-x> DJones: I had to help someone the other day who couldnt open a directory with acrobat reader
[14:11] <moreati> DJones: easy solution: set them both to the same value
[14:12] <DJones> moreati: You mean like password & password
[14:12] <moreati> yeah, or djones and djones :)
[14:13] <DJones> Heh
[14:14] <dwatkins> I've used systems (admittedly inside a corporate network, so not much of a security risk) which had username == password
[14:18] <DJones> When my dad registered for his broadband, he had problems getting it set up & rang the ISP, they did it for him and set the password as "password"
[14:18] <DJones> (for the online ISP website/account)
[14:21] <shauno> we have a system where the default new user is username==password.  and a manager who delights in logging into people's accounts and giving them new passwords
[14:21] <shauno> having to call him up and ask him what he set your password to is a lesson you only learn once :)
[14:27] <AlanBell> hi bastubis
[14:27] <bastubis> hiya
[14:28] <AlanBell> bastubis: reading back you want to add an event to the loco directory?
[14:28] <bastubis> Don't know if you recognise my nick, I'm Paula from Fossbox
[14:28] <AlanBell> yeah, I know
[14:28] <AlanBell> so here http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk
[14:28] <bastubis> OK :)
[14:29] <AlanBell> you should see an Add New Event link at the top below the main header buttons
[14:29] <AlanBell> if you are logged in
[14:29] <bastubis> yes, /events
[14:29] <bastubis> I'm logged into launchpad
[14:29] <bastubis> using open ID
[14:29] <AlanBell> which takes you here http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/ubuntu-uk/add/
[14:29] <AlanBell> not /events, below that
[14:30] <bastubis> You can not add a new event for this team. You are not member of the team or on the LoCo Council.
[14:30] <AlanBell> ooooh
[14:30] <bastubis> it did some grumbling when I logged in with openID
[14:30] <AlanBell> what is your launchpad name?
[14:31] <DJones> Looks like it'd work for me, I've got to the Add new Team Even for Ubuntu UK page
[14:31] <bastubis> normally it's bastubis but I used the fossbox openID
[14:31] <bastubis> thinking it would avoid confusion :D
[14:31] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~bastubis nope
[14:31] <bastubis> hmm
[14:31] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/ top right it should show your name
[14:32] <AlanBell> next to the log out button
[14:32] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~pmg-gmx
[14:32] <AlanBell> found it ;)
[14:32] <AlanBell> you need to join the UK team on launchpad
[14:33] <bastubis> ooook
[14:33] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk
[14:33] <bastubis> i logged out of openID and loggedback in as bastubis
[14:34] <AlanBell> yeah, but the launchpad ID of bastubis is pmg-gmx
[14:35] <bastubis> yes - I should never have confused the issue by using my fossbox openID lol
[14:35] <bastubis> ok, I've now logged in with the same email addie I use for the list
[14:35] <bastubis> and applied to join the team
[14:35] <AlanBell> yay
[14:36] <bastubis> I generally manage to confuse myself doing this kind fo thing ;)
[14:36] <AlanBell> X3N will shortly approve that no doubt
[14:36] <bastubis> OK thanks!
[14:36] <AlanBell> then you will be able to add events on loco directory
[14:36] <bastubis> Good - it's only just occurred to me that it might be a good thing to do ;)
[14:39] <bastubis> mmmm lunch
[14:39] <AlanBell> it is an excellent thing to do
[14:39] <bastubis> Indeed - I don't know why I didn't think of doing it before!
[14:40] <bastubis> It was really helpful to meet you guys, easier to engage when you can put faces on people
[14:51] <AlanBell> yes, real world events are great
[14:51] <AlanBell> should be interesting, RMS is quite a character http://www.ffsuk.org.uk/rms2011/
[14:55] <DJones> AlanBell: Character is one of describing him, I can't get over this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C6r6fG4k40&feature=fvw or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t96m2ynKw0
[14:57] <AlanBell> various videos of him leave a lasting impression
[14:57]  * AlanBell waits for someone to link to the toe cheese one
[14:57] <DJones> NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[14:58] <screen-x> AlanBell: that sounds nasty
[15:00] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ
[15:00] <popey> there you go
[15:01]  * AlanBell doesn't click
[15:02] <DJones> I'm actually hoping that that is a link to a Rick Astley video
[15:03] <popey> damnit
[15:03] <popey> missed opportunity
[15:03] <stuphi> For those that don't want to watch it all, 1:56
[15:03] <popey> lol
[15:03] <bigcalm> Ewwwwwwwwwww
[15:03] <bigcalm> Ew ew ew ew
[15:04] <stuphi> I think I need a new keyboard, I have just messed this one.
[15:04] <bigcalm> This video can help in weight loss only as part of a callorie controled diet
[15:04]  * AlanBell wonders if the PC pro team have arrived
[15:04] <AlanBell> if so, don't click the link
[15:11] <kazade> PC Pro engineer mystery solved: "Meet Jonathan Davies (who we’ve been mistakenly calling ‘John’ on the blog all day, like a bunch of Del Boys addressing a foreign barman), our Canonical tech support chap for the day"
[15:12] <DJones> Even with a picture http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/JonDavies.JPG
[15:13] <dwatkins> DJones: Why is he dancing with a laptop in the first video you pasted about 20 minutes ago?
[15:14] <DJones> dwatkins: Good question
[15:15] <dwatkins> I think I need the mind-bleach now
[15:16] <screen-x> dwatkins: look at the flashy thing
[15:16] <screen-x> *FLASH*
[15:16] <screen-x> you saw nothing
[15:16]  * dwatkins looks blankly at screen-x 
[15:16] <bastubis> Well, he's got good company in the MIT vid lol
[15:16] <dwatkins> Hello there, where am I?
[15:16] <screen-x> dwatkins: you are at your desk
[15:16] <dwatkins> ah ok
[15:17] <screen-x> dwatkins: you have not seen any videos yet today
[15:17] <dwatkins> *shuffles papers*
[15:17] <screen-x> dwatkins: time to file a tps report
[15:17] <DJones> I hope dwatkins doesn't have a laptop on his desk, it might bring back bad memories
[15:18] <bastubis> Evolution crashes every time I alter the priority on a task
[15:18] <AlanBell> go jpds \o/
[15:19] <dwatkins> ah yes, screen-x
[15:23] <Joeb454> jpds: hope things are going ok at pcpro :P
[15:29] <davmor2> 3 cheers for jpds running out of issue hip, hip, you know the rest..... jpds good job that man
[15:30] <MooDoo> davmor2: er what? lol
[15:31] <AlanBell> MooDoo: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2011/02/10/live-blog-running-pc-pro-on-ubuntu/
[15:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: We ran out of problems for Jon to solve, so he’s popped back to Canonical HQ with our thanks.
[15:34] <MooDoo> cool
[15:34]  * czajkowski stabs MooDoo and kicks davmor2 
[15:35]  * popey reports czajkowski for CoC violation!
[15:35] <davmor2> haha
[15:35]  * MooDoo backs away from czajkowski then goes and give her a kiss on the cheek
[15:35]  * czajkowski frowns at popey 
[15:35] <czajkowski> really...
[15:35] <czajkowski> :(
[15:35]  * czajkowski goes back to her caramel cake 
[15:36] <screen-x> \o/ cake
[15:36] <davmor2> czajkowski: share the cake and we let you off with a warning ;)
[15:36]  * screen-x just had 2nd lucnh
[15:37] <MooDoo> davmor2: oi no, she's back to normal now, lets pound her back :p
[15:37] <davmor2> MooDoo: Shhh not while popey is threatening CoC ;)
[15:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: ah ok :)  /me hugs czajkowski
[15:38] <jpds> czajkowski: Sounds unhealthy.
[15:38]  * czajkowski pokes popey see they do it too 
[15:39] <MooDoo> czajkowski: why so grumpy this afternoon?
[15:39] <screen-x> jpds: Whats are the pcpro offices like?
[15:39] <czajkowski> MooDoo: I'm not I even just booked tomorrow of work
[15:39] <czajkowski> as in I'm not doing any work tomorrow
[15:39] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ah ok...carry on poking then
[15:40] <jpds> MooDoo: No, the joke is "czajkowski: Why so Sirius?".
[15:40] <jpds> screen-x: Like... an office.
[15:40] <MooDoo> jpds: badum tish
[15:40] <czajkowski> jpds: oh gods
[15:40] <czajkowski> :(
[15:40] <MooDoo> jpds: or i should of said sirius-ly?
[15:41] <screen-x> jpds: insightful ;-)
[15:44] <DJones> screen-x: Looking at the photo on the pcpro blog, I'd say the offices were "messy"
[15:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: you spoke and czajkowski went into a rage ;)
[15:46]  * screen-x listens to the pcpro podcast (while uupc is hibernating)
[15:46] <popey> its quite good
[15:46] <popey> I listen to it
[15:46] <popey> although one of them does like to put the boot in about ubuntu, which is balanced by another who really likes it
[15:46] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski loves me.....or is that loath?
[15:47]  * davmor2 hands the mic over to czajkowski for a love loath update
[15:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: must be love...lost for words, or mouth stuffed with cake
[15:53] <czajkowski> CAKE
[16:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh tres cool if you're an OEM: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog
[16:06] <dwatkins> TheOpenSourcerer: interesting, the wifi card in my Eee is listed but the audio card is not :)
[16:07] <popey> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/search?form.search_text=apple&search=Search
[16:07] <popey> :(
[16:08] <dwatkins> I'm waiting to see if it's possible to triple-boot a Macbook, popey
[16:08] <popey> i dont see why not
[16:08] <popey> i dual boot mine
[16:08] <popey> triple is just one more partition and entry for refit
[16:08] <dwatkins> indeed, I just don't know what hardware is supported in terms of the wifi, sound etc.
[16:08] <popey> oh, I see.
[16:08] <dwatkins> I know Windows will run on it
[16:08] <dwatkins> just not sure about Ubuntu
[16:08] <popey> I run Ubuntu on mine
[16:09] <dwatkins> oh excellent, is everything (camera included) working well enough?
[16:09] <popey> well enough :)
[16:10] <shauno> I never did get my trackpad in line, but there is a whole slew of info at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook
[16:10] <dwatkins> thanks shauno
[17:01] <czajkowski> AlanBell: wont be at meeting tonight may want to plug the bug jam event in april
[17:09] <AlanBell> will do
[17:10]  * AlanBell hums Just the two of us http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/687/detail/
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: wow.. I thought "I know that name..."
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "Weybridge was the location of a battle in which a Martian fighting machine was destroyed."
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: (I've just re-read WotW)
[17:13] <AlanBell> they landed in Woking
[17:13] <popey> there's one still there :)
[17:14] <popey> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Woking_tripod.JPG
[17:14] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Woking_tripod.JPG
[17:14] <popey> :)
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> oh wow :)
[17:16]  * popey is going to Woking on saturday
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> Hm.. a web shop that only ships after threatening to complain to their payment processor
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> interesting
[17:18] <czajkowski> I got lost again today in Woking
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: but you got out (or are you ircing from a mobile device?)
[17:22] <czajkowski> nope
[17:22] <czajkowski> from work
[17:22] <czajkowski> spo all good
[17:29] <davmor2> czajkowski: you got lost at work man that must be a huge office ;)
[17:34] <MichealH> Options Evening tonight :D
[17:34] <MichealH> Im excited :P
[17:39] <bastubis> home!
[17:50] <gr33npeace> afternoon all.  Following the update today, the flash plugin for chromium crashes with gmail everytime I load it...
[17:50] <gr33npeace> ...anyone else experiencing this?
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> gr33npeace: flash crashes randomly for me, not just on gmail
[17:52] <Myrtti> I want to play minecraft but I'm too tired :-(
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: write a bot to play it for you
[17:53] <gr33npeace> MartijnVdS: is this since the update?  I mean... I've had problems before with youtube etc, but normally it's *mostly* ok
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> gr33npeace: I don't know, I'm running the alpha version (natty)
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> gr33npeace: lots of other things are also broken
[17:53] <gr33npeace> MartijnVdS: ah!! ok thanks man
[17:58] <AlanBell> popey: I wonder if the pcpro peeps discovered minecraft
[17:59] <shauno> we don't find out for about 20 hours, when they look up and discover what time it is
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> shauno: ...
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[17:59] <shauno> MartijnVdS: that's what my first minecraft session looked like :p
[18:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> hello from monty (6)
[18:02] <AlanBell> o/ Monty
[18:03] <AlanBell> what have you been doing today Monty?
[18:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have been telling the time with mummy
[18:04]  * AlanBell hands over to Kieran
[18:05] <KieranBell> hello
[18:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> o/ kieran
[18:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> I am a O:-)
[18:06] <KieranBell> I had sausages
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> \o
[18:07] <KieranBell> Daddy cooked them
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> KieranBell: were they as good as my pizza? or better?
[18:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> we are having macaroni cheese
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: sounds like an Italian night as well :)
[18:09] <KieranBell> They were as good as pizza
[18:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> KieranBell: Do you want to come to my house to play sometime?
[18:10] <ZMo> hi, how can i prevent apache user to execute php code in a <Directory>?
[18:10] <KieranBell> YES PLEASE
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> ZMo: do you want to run it as another user, or not at all?
[18:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> ok i will ask mummy to ask your mummy
[18:11] <ZMo> MartijnVdS, not at all
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> ZMo: and only a specific directory? or everywhere? (just making sure I understand the problem)
[18:12] <BigRedS> ZMo: You could add a bogus filehandler. That'd break any PHP, so you'd not even be able to download the script. You'd get a server error message
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: you can also "unset" the php handler in <Directory> blocks I think
[18:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right! It's time for tea for the Lords. Laterz
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> \o
[18:13] <AlanBell> o/
[18:13] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: I'm just googling along those lines :)
[18:13] <ZMo> MartijnVdS, i think you've right
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1271899/disable-php-in-directory-including-all-sub-directories-with-htaccess
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> ha! easy
[18:14] <Jibadeeha> can you put an old broken laptop in a wheelie bin or is that big no no cos of the mercury in the product?
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> php_flag engine off
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> ZMo: ^^
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> check that stackoverflow page
[18:14] <ZMo> MartijnVdS, yes im reading
[18:14] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: RemoveHandler
[18:14] <ZMo> MartijnVdS, anyway its what i was looking for
[18:14] <BigRedS> Ah, I think that's already been found
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Stackoverflow ♥
[18:19] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: I used some dead tree :)
[18:29] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> \o
[18:33] <AlanBell> Daviey: http://paste.ubuntu-uk.org/
[18:33] <AlanBell> Unable to connect to database
[18:35] <Daviey> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/
[18:35] <Daviey> AlanBell, *
[18:35] <AlanBell> oh, cool, thanks
[18:35]  * AlanBell fails
[18:50] <Myrtti> GROAR hungry
[18:52] <gord> i echo the previous sentiment
[18:52] <daubers> \o/ The wifes just gone to cook dinner
[19:09] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[19:16] <pr0ph3t> I have this gnome panel which I wanted to replace with cairo-dock, so I removed everything on it and moved it to the side of the screen. Now I can't use it anymore, I can see it on the side of the screen but it won't pop-up when I hover my mouse over it and right clicking does nothing. I also tried stopping the process but it starts another one automatically
[19:17] <pr0ph3t> I just wanted to add the systray on that since the cairo-dock one is a bit funny
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: log out of the graphical environment, then in a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1) do:
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> gconftool – -recursive-unset /apps/panel
[19:17] <pr0ph3t> and when I try to start another one it tells me one is already running
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> then log back in
[19:17] <pr0ph3t> ok, thanks
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> then the panel should be back to "factory default"
[19:17] <maco> !resetpanels
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> maco: oh they told the bot how to do it :)
[19:18] <maco> yep
[19:18] <pr0ph3t> great stuff thanks
[19:30] <smittix> Evening all.
[19:32] <danfish> evenin'
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:33] <andylockran> <o
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> Guest40317: still haven't fixed irssi then? :)
[19:36] <Guest40317> Oh for goodness sake!
[19:36] <Guest40317> MartijnVdS: bah
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> Guest40317: my config bit didn't work?
[19:37] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: to be honest I forgot. :(
[19:39] <issyl0> \o/
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> ok this is just bad
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> Two Rod Stewart songs on at the same time (one on VH1 and one on the vault)
[20:12] <iclebyte> evening
[20:13] <hcfd> o/
[20:31] <smittix> BES Express is a pain in the rear end
[21:01] <popey> meeting started in #ubuntu-uk-meeting now
[21:07] <itf> Hi guys, inspired by the PC Pro experiment, I'm trying Ubuntu.
[21:07] <Baikonur> hi
[21:07] <freesitebuilder> how's it going?
[21:07] <itf> Earlier in the day somebody posted a link which explained some small tweaks - it included making the fonts smaller and a package with handy things (Flash and some other things I think)
[21:07] <itf> I can't find that link.
[21:08] <itf> It's going way better than last time I tried Ubuntu. Once I got the network up and running it's been pretty smooth so far.
[21:08] <itf> Basically it was (and I will get the terminology wrong, I'm sure) something that had 'lots of dependencies' (or something like that) but wasn't a program in itself, but it would install a few useful bits.
[21:09] <popey> itf: ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:09] <popey> that was probably the package you were after
[21:10] <itf> That might be it. I'll go look for it. Thanks.
[21:10] <freesitebuilder> logs from earlier today for Ubuntu-UK http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/10/%23ubuntu-uk.html
[21:11] <itf> Thanks guys. I just found the link I meant on Twitter http://blazemore.blogspot.com/2011/02/message-to-pc-pro-team.html
[21:18] <itf> OK, so I've installed ubuntu restricted extras now. I've not rebooted. Youtube is still asking for Flash (using Chrome)
[21:18] <itf> Any clues? Or does it just need a reboot?
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> itf: you might have to restart the browser
[21:27] <pr0ph3t> re all
[21:28] <iclebyte> evenin
[21:29] <pr0ph3t> I have a question about icons and pointers, I copied all of them in /usr/share/icons, but still the themes are not applied "system wide"
[21:30] <pr0ph3t> is there something I need to update to do that?
[21:30] <iclebyte> yea theme support isn't great
[21:31] <pr0ph3t> not really, you can customise everything to the smallest detail in ubuntu
[21:32] <pr0ph3t> just I don't know why my cursor theme changes depending on the window I navigate and the icons are not applied to all
[21:55] <daubers> Evening
[21:55] <daubers> Anyone have any idea when the next nvidia driver is landing in natty? Got loads of xorg packages waiting in the queue to update
[22:01] <MartijnVdS> nevar! :)
[22:03] <daubers> That makes me a sad bunny :(
[22:11]  * phillw here as requested.
[22:11] <moreati> MartijnVdS: was that in jest, or has something significant happened wrt to Natty and Nvidia?
[22:14] <MartijnVdS> moreati: nah, nvidia just havent caught up with Xorg yet
[22:14] <MartijnVdS> moreati: natty has the new xorg
[22:14] <MartijnVdS> same old story basically :)
[22:14] <AlanBell> Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List:  http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines - http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting Thursday February 10th 21:00 GMT in #ubuntu-uk-meeting  http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet | \o/ Chickens, minecraft, trains, cake & roundabouts
[22:15] <moreati> righto, you had me worried with 'nevar!' :)
[22:15] <MichealH> afail
[22:15] <MichealH> AlanBell: fail :P
[22:15] <AlanBell> yeah
[22:15] <AlanBell> because tab didn't work I copied and pasted and failed
 afail << That was a fail at tabbing your nick :P
[22:25]  * AlanBell hugs popey 
[22:25] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/
[22:25] <popey> heh
[22:25] <AlanBell> um, may be some bits left to un-break
[22:25] <popey> gimme a chance :)
[22:25] <popey> I am working on it
[22:25] <popey> refresh now
[22:25] <popey> whats broken?
[22:26] <AlanBell> links in the top that I put there
[22:26] <popey> ok
[22:26] <popey> they should be relative not absolute
[22:26] <popey> I'll fix them
[22:27] <popey> or you can :)
[22:28] <AlanBell> fixed, I think
[22:28] <AlanBell> it was the site URL on the general settings
[22:28] <popey> ah
[22:29] <popey> looks good
[22:32] <TOSDroid> The logo slides under the menu on my streak...
[22:32] <TOSDroid> In landscape.
[22:32] <phillw> AlanBell: you wanted a UBT master / mentor to interview?
[22:34] <popey> hmm, links broken
[22:36]  * popey fiddles with apache
[22:49] <bigcalm> popey: I thought you were one for lighthttpd?
[22:49] <popey> i am
[22:50] <popey> but right now the box has apache2
[22:50] <bigcalm> Poor thing
[22:50] <webpigeon_web> and a few tents :P
[23:43] <shauno> ooh, gtk 3.0.0 is released.  good stuff.