[03:19] <Cheri703> Unit193: check out "no ordinary family" it's pretty good, we are on the second episode
[04:10] <Unit193> Cheri703: I'll check it out. I just started playing with Pandora today!
[04:10] <Cheri703> nice
[04:11] <Unit193> pianobar is a nice little program for it too...
[04:11] <canthus13> pianobar rocks... until it stops working and they have to rewrite it because pandora changed their api.
[04:33] <Unit193> canthus13: Would it make you feel better if I told you I haven't used synaptic in a bit? (apt-cache and apt-get all the way!)
[04:33] <Cheri703> Unit193: I'm going to bring that laptop tomorrow night
[04:34] <Unit193> Cheri703: I'll try to remember to bring the cord
[04:34] <Cheri703> kk
[04:36] <Cheri703> my awesome friends are loaning us their car tomorrow through the weekend
[04:43] <canthus13> Unit193: I use apt-get for most stuff.
[04:43] <canthus13> Unit193: synaptic's good for finding something when I'm not quite sure what I'm looking for... but apt-get is faster. :)
[04:46] <Unit193> If I don't know, I use apt-cache search
[04:46] <Unit193> What do you use for terminal RSS?
[04:47] <canthus13> I don't.
[04:48] <canthus13> I don't use RSS.
[04:48] <canthus13> I've tried, but I inevitably get so far behind that it's not worth it.
[04:51] <Unit193> I guess I'll stick with canto. I just have a few (Weather, NotAlwaysRight, portableapps, GAOTD, etc)
[04:52] <Unit193> Alpine or mutt?
[04:54] <Cheri703> my google reader account has over 75 feeds...possibly more
[04:56] <Unit193> I use google reader for LH and will start with things that have pics *cough*failblog*cough*
[04:56] <canthus13> mutt
[14:02] <thafreak> paultag: you around?
[14:03] <thafreak> paultag: who was that guy we had dinner with at OLF who headed up canonical's arm development?
[14:04] <thafreak> I'm looking to get the latest from the makers of the sheeva plug...but before I drop $150, I wanna see if there's better hardware out there
[14:04] <thafreak> I figured that guy would know
[14:35] <robho-neo> sup people
[18:06] <paultag> thafreak: humm?
[19:29] <thafreak> paultag: who was the guy who went to dinner with us after OLF...with jorge...he was the ARM dev lead
[19:29] <paultag> thafreak: dave mandella
[19:29] <paultag> yeah he was :)
[19:29] <thafreak> ah cool
[19:29] <thafreak> he's not anymore?
[19:29] <paultag> still is :)
[19:29] <paultag> but he was too
[19:29] <thafreak> oh ok
[19:30] <thafreak> I'm curious if there's much tiny hardware out there (besides the sheeva plug)
[19:30] <paultag> thafreak: shiva is hella old
[19:30] <thafreak> I figured he might be aware
[19:30] <deejoe> marvell has also got a little non-plug box
[19:30] <paultag> thafreak: guru plug is the new one I think
[19:30] <paultag> deejoe: really/
[19:30] <paultag> ?*
[19:30] <thafreak> exactly, and the replacements have bad reviews (heat problems)
[19:31] <paultag> thafreak: +1
[19:31] <deejoe> paultag: OpenRD
[19:31] <deejoe> open-rd.org
[19:31] <thafreak> they have a newer one...using the same guts, but better heat disipation...supposedly
[19:34] <thafreak> they say "From $149", but all the vendors listed want "$249"...
[19:34] <thafreak> grr...for that much, I'd build a mini-itx or something
[19:35] <deejoe> I guess if one were to do this on an OEM basis, it might make more sense?
[19:35] <deejoe> also, I don't know how mini-ITX with some sort of Intel-like processor would compare in terms of power profile.
[19:35] <deejoe> or TDP, depending on which side of that equation you care about more.
[19:36] <thafreak> well, not much...cost is the most important part of the equation for me :)
[19:37] <thafreak> I've seen some mini-itx boards with pico-psu's that only draw about 15w...which is still pretty good
[19:37] <thafreak> not as good as 5w, but still better than the 100-200 that normal pc's draw
[19:38] <thafreak> oh well...my goal is for something small and durable, that can run at a client's location 24/7, for me to ssh into...
[19:39] <thafreak> might get a pogo plug and put debian on it...can get those for < $75
[19:40] <Cheri703> once you guys are done discussing what you're discussing, I have a question (but seriously, not urgent)
[19:44] <canthus13> I think they're done.
[19:45] <BiosElement> Probably
[19:45] <BiosElement> And oh dear god, another idiot thought it'd be funny to attack Anonymous.
[19:46] <Cheri703> I have a client that originally wanted a desktop, but now is considering a laptop. I think they should stick with desktop, it's for a business office. I am trying to make a list of arguments against laptop...so far I have "more for your money, less chance of catastrophic failure due to a single piece failing, and if your desire for laptop is so you can access data when out of the office, I can set up remote access that will accomp
[19:46] <Cheri703> lish the same thing"
[19:46] <Cheri703> so...any thoughts are welcome
[19:47] <thafreak> yeah, I hate laptops
[19:47] <BiosElement> Point out that reparing a laptop generally requires hoping the maker will still service it. >.< Desktops are just a trip to the comp store.
[19:48] <thafreak> My one client just replaced every sales person's computer with a laptop...I hate it so much
[19:48] <Cheri703> yeah, I have 2 laptops sitting at my house that are really decent but unusable due to a single part failing
[19:48] <Cheri703> I go the "netbook + remote access" route
[19:48] <Cheri703> saves money overall
[19:48] <thafreak> I hope citrix's XenDesktop mobile computing ideas take off
[19:49] <thafreak> too bad they require winbloze server...and I could never get it working in my test setup
[19:50] <Cheri703> this is an office that currently has an old dell with a 1.93ghz processor and 256MB of ram....and no internet...I really don't think they need a laptop at this point. I'm also going to be putting ubuntu on their comp, so that'll be interesting
[20:07] <Cheri703> Sorry, my internet is going in and out for some stupid reason :(
[20:36] <deejoe> laptops make OK Nth computers, but never a good only computer
[20:36] <deejoe> s/never/rarely/
[20:36] <TheErk> Hola
[20:36] <Unit193> Hello TheErk!
[20:37] <TheErk> Hello Unit193
[20:38] <Cheri703> true deejoe
[20:51] <canthus13> BiosElement: Depends on the laptop.
[20:51] <canthus13> BiosElement: there are plenty of shops out there that repair laptop motherboard issues...
[20:52] <BiosElement> canthus13: keyword shops, and if you're lucky. >.<
[20:57] <canthus13> BiosElement: Nah. You may have to send your laptop in for repairs, but there's a guy in Lebanon, OH that does amazing work for a reasonable price.
[20:57] <BiosElement> canthus13: I'm sure there is. I just see it as somewhat riskier.
[20:58] <canthus13> BiosElement: I used ebay to find him. dude has excellent reviews, so I felt pretty comfortable sending my old laptop to him. he had teh solder reflowed and the laptop back to me in 3 days... Evenr eplaced the CMOS battery at no charge. :)
[20:59] <BiosElement> Nice
[21:02] <thafreak> SSD or CF to SATA adapter?
[21:37] <canthus13> thafreak: SSD.
[21:37] <canthus13> CF-SATA would pretty slow, I'd think.
[21:37] <canthus13> If speed's not an issue, though, go for CF-SSA. it's cheaper.
[22:50] <Cheri703> Unit193: still at home?
[22:50] <Unit193> Cheri703: Yes
[22:50] <Cheri703> coming tonight?
[22:51] <Unit193> be there in a few minutes
[22:52] <Cheri703> bring the cord!
[22:52] <Cheri703> I brought the laptop
[22:54] <Unit193> I have it in the backpack!
[22:55] <Cheri703> woo!
[22:55] <Cheri703> we are sitting in a different place than usual, in the middle section of the restaurant
[22:56] <Unit193> We? you got more people?
[22:56] <Cheri703> husband is here
[22:56] <Cheri703> how are you guys getting here tonight?
[22:57] <Unit193> Using a SUV
[22:57] <Unit193> We found one down the road no one was using...
[22:58] <Cheri703> I meant: friend's dad driving/staying, friend's mom driving/staying, friend's parent driving/dropping off, your parent/sibling driving/staying/dropping off?
[22:59] <Unit193> Friends */* (I don't know anything...)
[22:59] <Cheri703> heh, ok
[22:59] <Cheri703> we'll be here
[23:15] <BiosElement> Amazing
[23:16] <Cheri703> ?
[23:16] <BiosElement> Anon totally screws over HBGary, a 'security' company after their loud mouth CEO declared 'war' on them, now after losing 60k emails he says he'll destroy anon. Awesome.
[23:16]  * BiosElement waits for him to show up on the FBI's most wanted list thanks to anon >.>
[23:17] <BiosElement> He thought it'd get him press by claiming to be able to take down anon's "leadership". >.<