/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/11/#ayatana.txt

cyphermox	jcastro, ping	00:08
bcurtiswx	DBO, still there?	00:11
DBO	yeah	00:11
bcurtiswx	DBO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/565619/	00:11
DBO	bcurtiswx, i need context	00:11
DBO	I dont understand what Im looking at	00:12
bcurtiswx	DBO, yes my paste reflexes are slow	00:12
bcurtiswx	DBO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/565620/	00:12
DBO	do you know what code where is causing that	00:12
DBO	or is this a general issue	00:13
DBO	bcurtiswx, if I had to guess	00:13
bcurtiswx	DBO, idk, actually. :-X	00:14
DBO	you are calling g_hash_table_size in several places	00:14
DBO	where you should be calling g_slist_length	00:14
* bcurtiswx stares at kenvandine		00:14
jcastro	cyphermox: yo	00:14
DBO	line 185 226 and 268 of your paste in particular bcurtiswx	00:15
bcurtiswx	DBO, will try. Thx :)	00:15
DBO	jcastro, do you wanna play something fun on xbox tonight?	00:15
DBO	kenvandine is annoying... leaving without saying a word	00:15
jcastro	man, I need to raincheck, I've already committed to a bar night	00:16
DBO	may the fleas of a thousand camels infest his armpits	00:16
jcastro	tomorrow for sure though	00:16
DBO	awesome	00:16
jcastro	DBO: yeah, he's being lazy, it's only 2 hours after core hours!	00:16
DBO	at least friend me today so I can see what games you have	00:16
jcastro	he's weak. :)	00:16
cyphermox	jcastro, still looking for xorg debs?	00:16
DBO	jcastro, past two nights have been till 3AM for me	00:16
DBO	so yeah	00:16
jcastro	cyphermox: lamalex and a bunch of DX people need them	00:16
DBO	lazy	00:16
jcastro	cyphermox: I personally am ok, since I read -devel. :)	00:17
DBO	I dont read -devel, I just dont trust RAOF :P	00:17
cyphermox	jcastro, ah ok ;)	00:18
RAOF	jcastro: Just formulating a reply.	00:18
DBO	RAOF, you're here... so nice to see you buddy...	00:18
jcastro	RAOF: expect flamage at some point, neil wasn't very happy today	00:18
jcastro	RAOF: but I know how to use apt so I am delightfully working with a held back xorg	00:18
cyphermox	jcastro, aren't the old packages always on the archive?	00:19
RAOF	They're not in the archive; they are on launchpad.	00:19
DBO	i think they get pumped in the alpha stages	00:19
jcastro	I know they would be on lp somewhere	00:19
cyphermox	ah right	00:19
jcastro	I gave it a shot but it's not so simple	00:19
RAOF	He's welcome to flame, but there's a limited amount that we can actually do :)	00:19
jcastro	there's what I think "xorg" is	00:19
jcastro	and then there's the 2345983475938475 packages it really is	00:19
jcastro	and if you miss one .... death	00:20
jcastro	RAOF: I think the fundamental fix here is teams who aren't platform, DX, U1, design, etc. need to pay closer attention to -devel	00:20
jcastro	either that or platformers need to use -devel-announce or something	00:20
RAOF	Hm. Did we not send an X warning to -devel-announce? That's an oversight on our part.	00:21
jcastro	I don't recall, that was like 2 weeks ago	00:21
RAOF	Right.	00:21
jcastro	it's odd they only ran into this just now	00:21
RAOF	Have they only just upgraded?	00:21
jcastro	dunno	00:22
RAOF	Maybe we could do a session at UDS: Partial Upgrades, X, and You!	00:22
RAOF	Or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the apt.	00:22
jcastro	I did one at a rally once for non-platformers, but it was more general	00:23
jcastro	like "stop just dist-upgrading, read..."	00:23
jcastro	hey, if you use the update-manager and use the closed nvidia, they would still be held back?	00:23
RAOF	I think so. It certainly should complain about a partial upgrade.	00:24
cyphermox	when I tried, at the end of last week on another system, nvidia-current just gets removed, and if you try to install it it removes xorg :D	00:25
RAOF	cyphermox: Without complaining about a partial upgrade?	00:25
RAOF	Or hitting the “ok, partial upgrade, I know what's happening” button?	00:25
cyphermox	RAOF, no.	00:26
cyphermox	it was a clean install, not at upgrade	00:26
cyphermox	when I tried to use jockey to install nvidia drivers -- doom	00:26
jcastro	I thought we got rid of the partial upgrade button?	00:26
jcastro	because of things like this?	00:26
RAOF	Oh, yeah. Jocky shouldn't offer to install those (and we need to fix nvidia-current's dependencies)	00:26
cyphermox	RAOF, even using apt-get directly, afaik it wouldn't complain so much, just say that it removes packages	00:27
cyphermox	I could dist-upgrade that box and check now	00:27
cyphermox	brb	00:27
RAOF	Yeah. But it would ask whether you want to proceed.	00:28
RAOF	\	00:28
RAOF	It's a packaging bug that you can install nvidia-current if you ask for it, though.	00:28
cyphermox	RAOF, not the first time I see apt and blindly trust it to break my system ;)	00:29
DBO	RAOF, I love you :) fix nvidia :) you're a great guy :) but really fix nvidia :) even though I know you cant	00:41
RAOF	I can at least tell you how to get back to 1.9 + nvidia.	00:41
RAOF	Or, for those playing at home, Unity runs on nouveau+xorg-edgers :)	00:49
nmarques	RAOF, fglrx ?	01:01
RAOF	fglrx won't work with Xserver 1.10 yet.	01:02
RAOF	But the open-source radeon driver works, and also runs Unity.	01:02
RAOF	(For cards approximately older than the latest Radeon X6800)	01:02
lamalex	ok this is what happened	01:19
lamalex	i did read -devel	01:19
lamalex	i knew it was wrong I just woke up (umm a little hungover) and did a dist upgrade without thinking because aptitude full-upgrade is what I usually do	01:19
lamalex	then everything broke	01:19
lamalex	i had been doing update-manager -d and unchecking the x updates previously	01:20
lamalex	and then I had a slip up	01:20
lamalex	with devastating results	01:20
lamalex	RAOF, how difficult is it to get a list of the packages needed to downgrade?	01:21
lamalex	because I know ted and DBO both have them	01:21
lamalex	I KNOW YOU DO DBO	01:21
RAOF	lamalex: See my reply to Jorge.	01:23
lamalex	ha uhh which one	01:23
lamalex	oh	01:23
RAOF	The one I sent 15 seconds ago.	01:23
lamalex	nouveau + xorg-edgers works?	01:23
RAOF	Nouveau + edgers works.	01:24
lamalex	interesting	01:24
lamalex	well then here we go	01:24
lamalex	ppa:xorg-edgers	01:24
lamalex	?	01:24
RAOF	Yes. I'll invest a little time working out what fixed it so Natty + nouveau can work.	01:24
RAOF	Indeed. ppa:xorg-edgers	01:24
lamalex	I will try and be less of an f-tard from now on	01:25
lamalex	I made a decision about 20 minutes ago to get my life in order	01:25
lamalex	i want some discipline	01:25
lamalex	diet. intense amounts of excercise. reading only pure discourse.	01:25
lamalex	not upgrading x when I shouldn't.	01:26
RAOF	:)	01:26
RAOF	Drinking only rainwater or pure grain alcohol… :)	01:26
lamalex	hahah	01:26
lamalex	you get it	01:26
lamalex	ugh i think we have dep issues with libunity/places updates	01:31
lamalex	hmm RAOF this update wants to remove xserver-xorg-video-nv	01:32
lamalex	eh but not if i dont dist-upgrade nevermind	01:32
lamalex	but then it doesn't update -nv	01:33
lamalex	:\	01:33
lamalex	RAOF, rescue me	01:33
lamalex	RAOF, is it core hours for you currently?	01:34
lamalex	yes it appears to be 9:30	01:35
lamalex	am	01:35
lamalex	ok	01:35
RAOF	Which update?	01:35
RAOF	(Yup, its' the middle of core-hours for me - 12:30)\	01:36
lamalex	I'm guessing this? xserver-xorg-core: Breaks: xserver-xorg-video-8 which is a virtual package.	01:36
lamalex	should i remove xserver-xorg-video-8	01:36
RAOF	Hm. What part of the update is that?	01:37
lamalex	mmm I don't really know how to answer that	01:37
RAOF	You've hit the ‘apt-get -f install’ part?	01:37
lamalex	well I do aptitude full-upgrade usually	01:37
RAOF	Are you trying to follow my “how to downgrade to 1.9” mail, or something different?	01:38
lamalex	ohi have not seen that mail	01:39
lamalex	i am trying to install xorg-edgers	01:40
RAOF	Ah.	01:40
lamalex	and use nouveau + xorg-edgers	01:40
lamalex	so I added the ppa	01:40
lamalex	did and update	01:40
lamalex	and now on upgrade i have dep issues	01:40
RAOF	Well, it can happily remove xserver-xorg-video-nv; you don't need it.	01:40
lamalex	OH RIGHT	01:40
lamalex	nv is not nouveau	01:40
RAOF	But I'm not sure why it's giving dep issues. Let me check my local edgers box.	01:40
lamalex	steller	01:40
RAOF	:)	01:40
lamalex	stellar	01:41
lamalex	i mean	01:41
lamalex	i still don't see a -nouvea update though, should I?	01:41
DBO	either of you play xbox?	01:41
lamalex	I have to go to the grocery store before they close	01:42
lamalex	I will be back in maybe 45 minutes	01:42
RAOF	You should see a nouveau updgrade (I think), but most interestingly you'd want libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental.	01:42
RAOF	What does “apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-nouveau” output?	01:42
lamalex	haha it's not installed	01:44
lamalex	i am using nv i guess?	01:44
RAOF	Probably -fbdev	01:44
RAOF	-nv is almost entirely useless; it can only load if you've disabled kms.	01:44
lamalex	hahah that explains why everything looks like shit	01:44
lamalex	ok then	01:44
lamalex	let's try this again	01:44
DBO	ping sladen	01:45
RAOF	Install xserver-xorg-{video,input}-all	01:46
RAOF	I've done it on my (i386) -edgers system, so all the dependencies should be resolvable.	01:46
lamalex	i did not have that -dri-experimental package	01:47
lamalex	installing	01:47
lamalex	ok i need to go to the grocery store for real	01:48
lamalex	i will be back in 45 mins	01:48
RAOF	:)	01:48
DBO	https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/716803 can you confirm this one RAOF?	01:52
RAOF	I would, but unity's currently unresponsive :P	01:54
RAOF	Hm. No, I can't with my working box.	01:56
RAOF	DBO: Doesn't seem to apply to my 3.4.2-0ubuntu1 + nouveau box.	01:56
DBO	me either...	01:56
DBO	Im really wondering how hes getting it to happen	01:57
RAOF	Oh, hey!	01:57
RAOF	Now it does!	01:57
RAOF	What changed… hm. I added a second window to the screen.	01:58
RAOF	And I switched windows using scale.	01:58
RAOF	Now it seems that when a window gets mapped or unmapped the launcher is unhidden.	01:59
DBO	weird	02:00
DBO	okay	02:00
DBO	can you try to get exact steps to reproduce	02:00
RAOF	That's fun!	02:00
DBO	I cant trigger it	02:01
DBO	fudge	02:01
DBO	RAOF are you currently in that state?	02:02
RAOF	No. I've logged out in order to reproduce from a clean state.	02:02
DBO	okay let me know when you get it again	02:02
sladen	DBO: yo	02:03
DBO	sladen, hows it going	02:03
DBO	I see your bug	02:03
RAOF	Bah. Of course, now I can't seem to reproduce :/	02:03
DBO	trying to reproduce it now	02:03
DBO	it seems like something grabbed XdndSelection and did not let it go	02:04
DBO	or something to that effect	02:04
RAOF	Oooh! Win!	02:05
RAOF	What info would you like	02:05
DBO	RAOF, how you did it	02:05
sladen	DBO: interesting, I've had a couple of reboots since then (totally crashed compiz/unity) and now don't see it	02:05
DBO	and if you can	02:05
DBO	see if anything is currently owning XdndSelection	02:05
RAOF	DBO: I think it was selecting some text in gnome-terminal and dragging it.	02:06
RAOF	Hm. How would I go about doing that? :)	02:06
DBO	how do you drag text from gnome terminal...	02:06
RAOF	You don't :)	02:06
sladen	selecting/dragging text from FF will cause it	02:06
DBO	thank you!	02:06
sladen	but it's not the same thing, as the launcher then stays open until you release the text	02:07
RAOF	It's kinda fun summonning the launcher as a side-effect of summoning Do :)	02:07
DBO	time to open firefox	02:07
sladen	which is different from the constant hiding/unhiding on right-click and the like	02:07
DBO	nope	02:07
DBO	firefox didn't do it	02:07
* RAOF sees if gnome-terminal is a minimum reproducible case.		02:08
sladen	wish I'd taken some screencasts	02:09
DBO	i believe you	02:09
DBO	I even know what code is the likely cause	02:09
RAOF	Oh, donkeys. One hypothesis shot down.	02:09
DBO	its supposed to unhide when a DND is started	02:09
DBO	so in theory	02:10
nmarques	guys, mind about a quick question on nux ?	02:10
DBO	starting a drag and drop should fix it	02:10
sladen	yeah, that bit is is intention (DND)	02:10
DBO	nmarques, go ahead	02:10
nmarques	are RenderingPipeGLSL.h and NuxGraphicsObject.h supposed to be zero lengthed ?	02:10
DBO	nmarques, there is a lot of crap in nux right now	02:11
DBO	so likely yeah	02:11
DBO	it needs a good cleaning	02:11
DBO	like... badly...	02:11
RAOF	Ok.	02:12
DBO	Ok.	02:12
RAOF	So, I can semi-reliably get it to happen.	02:12
DBO	okay how	02:12
RAOF	I'm not sure what the trigger is, though.	02:12
DBO	thats not a lot of help	02:12
RAOF	By fiddling around with a combination of scale & sound-preferences & selecting text in gnome-terminal.	02:12
RAOF	Oh, it actually also happens each time you raise a window.	02:13
RAOF	Now I'll see if I can narrow down the reproducible steps a bit more.	02:13
DBO	RAOF, once you trigger it	02:14
DBO	does dragging and dropping something from nautilus fix it	02:14
RAOF	Yay! Reproducible!	02:15
sladen	my own guess is/was that it was caused by some focusing change; so a popup menu is actually a new window, and changing the menu/title at the top is probably doing the same	02:15
RAOF	(Not necessarily minimal) Have a maximised gnome-terminal; select some text; trigger scale with super+w	02:15
sladen	RAOF: oooh, that works	02:16
RAOF	Dragging and dropping something from nautilus to the launcher's rubbish bin does not break that state.	02:16
sladen	gaah, how do I get out of it again now :)	02:17
nmarques	DBO, could you take a look at this and check if this is reliable information ? :)	02:17
RAOF	sladen: Log out? :)	02:17
nmarques	DBO, http://pastebin.com/wZeQQbiT	02:17
RAOF	Running compiz --replace is probably sufficient. Hm. Actually - that's an interesting test case.	02:17
RAOF	Yes. compiz --replace drops out of that state.	02:18
DBO	wtfing fuck	02:19
DBO	okay I need you guys to do some debug for me	02:19
DBO	RAOF, open up Launcher.cpp	02:19
DBO	find void	02:20
DBO	Launcher::EnsureHiddenState ()	02:20
DBO	and comment the shit out of it so we can see what is triggering the hide / unhide	02:20
RAOF	You mean engage printf debug mode?	02:21
DBO	yes	02:21
DBO	you'll see a bunch of sub-expressions	02:21
DBO	we need to see what each one is	02:21
RAOF	Is there a nux-y way to log?	02:22
DBO	printf	02:23
DBO	any other questions?	02:23
DBO	you can use g_print if you really want	02:24
DBO	though its the same thing...	02:24
DBO	pretty sure all it does is call printf	02:24
DBO	RAOF, you may want to note that that method gets called a lot	02:25
DBO	so you may want to limit your output to times when the value of _hidden actually changes	02:26
DBO	nmarques, that test should be reliable	02:27
DBO	nmarques, I cant say for sure	02:27
DBO	but its supposed to be	02:27
nmarques	DBO, despite of the ATI issue... I'm almost finishing compiz stuff, and soon will try to launch it :)	02:28
DBO	nmarques, i dont know whats going on with ATI	02:28
DBO	:D	02:28
DBO	RAOF?	02:33
RAOF	DBO: Installing build deps, building.	02:33
DBO	build deps...	02:33
DBO	you never built unity from source?	02:33
RAOF	I have in the past, but I've blown that btrfs install away and installed afresh.	02:35
RAOF	On ext4, which doesn't take > 2 hours to install unity's build-deps.	02:35
DBO	btrfs	02:36
DBO	why would you do that...	02:36
RAOF	If it doesn't get tested it doesn't get stable, and btfrs has a whole bunch of awesome features that could be used if it were stable and default.	02:36
lamalex	RAOF, you're the man	02:37
DBO	I still cant reproduce the damn bug	02:39
DBO	but if DND doesn't fix it...	02:39
DBO	RAOF?	02:47
kenvandine	DBO, got a branch for the fix?	02:47
DBO	kenvandine, just pull down latest libunity	02:48
DBO	it was mikkels bug	02:48
DBO	i fixed it	02:48
RAOF	DBO: I've got all the debug stuff happening, I just need to reproduce and correlate.	02:49
DBO	sweet sweet	02:49
RAOF	Bah! Build again with a little less verbosity, and suddenly reproduction is difficult. Gah1	02:56
DBO	RAOF, teach you to try to reproduce a bug	02:58
kenvandine	hey DBO	02:58
DBO	Im sorry, all our DBO's are currently with other developers. A DBO will be with you as soon as one is available.	02:59
kenvandine	DBO, nice commit message "fix a bug"	02:59
kenvandine	hehe	02:59
DBO	i didn't want to embarrass mikkel	03:00
kenvandine	that kind of bug :-D	03:00
sladen	thank goodness nobody reads IRC!	03:00
kenvandine	oh!	03:01
kenvandine	nice	03:01
kenvandine	- [DBus (name = "org.canonical.Unity.LauncherEntry")]	03:01
kenvandine	+ [DBus (name = "com.canonical.Unity.LauncherEntry")]	03:01
DBO	yep	03:01
DBO	that kind of bug	03:01
DBO	the one that confirms you never ever tested your code once	03:02
kenvandine	hehe	03:02
=== oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann
DBO	no dice so far RAOF?	03:05
RAOF	Dope	03:05
DBO	debug harder damnit!	03:05
RAOF	Yay!	03:06
RAOF	GAH! Do stops working after a compiz --replace.	03:06
lamalex	aw	03:06
lamalex	poor do	03:06
lamalex	ha hey look	03:07
lamalex	#ayatana is like #gnome-do	03:07
RAOF	So I can't select text→pastebin	03:07
lamalex	where is csziksoy	03:07
RAOF	And launching firefox has undone the crazy state!	03:08
DBO	just get me mah debug biatch	03:08
RAOF	Whoops. Ctrl+C in console ≠ copy.	03:09
DBO	dont tell me you lost it	03:09
kenvandine	DBO, yay!	03:09
DBO	kenvandine, now is not the time for happy	03:09
RAOF	DBO: paste.ubuntu.com/565662	03:10
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, how are you still working :P im about ready to go to bed.. lol	03:10
RAOF	DBO: I'll get comparable output while not in state=crazy.	03:11
DBO	RAOF, you did bother to note somewhere in there where it was turning on and off right?	03:11
kenvandine	DBO, i wish it had worked last night :)	03:11
kenvandine	now to do a xchat-indicator release with this goodness	03:12
DBO	yes	03:12
lamalex	ok reboot time. let's see.	03:12
RAOF	Turning on and off? The debug triggers when the final changes - so each one of those is an on/off pair.	03:12
* lamalex crosses fingers		03:12
* kenvandine uploads fixed libunity to natty		03:12
DBO	RAOF, you did not check _window_is_over_launcher	03:12
DBO	whihc I bet is the important one	03:12
DBO	_window_over_launcher I mean	03:12
DBO	so how does one cause _window_over_launcher to go screwy	03:13
RAOF	I'll add those missing things and re-re-reproduce, gently down the stream!	03:16
DBO	re-re-reproduce is what all of our parents did	03:20
RAOF	DBO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/565664 has a working hide→unhide→hide transition followed by brokenness.	03:21
lamalex	:\ still no unity	03:22
lamalex	but i am using nouveau now	03:22
RAOF	lamalex: if you run compiz, what's the error?	03:22
DBO	its the damn autohide handle!	03:22
lamalex	RAOF, Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing	03:25
RAOF	?!	03:25
RAOF	glxinfo?	03:25
lamalex	although oddly the nux check says everything is ok	03:25
DBO	RAOF, where it says !_autohide_handle	03:25
lamalex	http://paste.ubuntu.com/565666/ \m/	03:26
lamalex	which is odd	03:26
RAOF	lamalex: Generally, one tries not to use the software rasteriser :). Do you have libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental installed? If so, Xorg.0.log please :)	03:27
DBO	RAOF, change it to say !(_autohide_handle && _hidden)	03:27
DBO	try that	03:27
DBO	god thats fucking complex	03:27
lamalex	RAOF, yah	03:27
lamalex	RAOF, xorg log http://paste.ubuntu.com/565667/	03:28
RAOF	Hurray for ccache.	03:28
DBO	RAOF, let me know if that fixes it for you	03:28
DBO	and I'll commit that to trunk at some point	03:28
RAOF	Wilco.	03:28
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, have you made changes to the xchat-indicator stuff.. i can't get my code to work, but if you've changed something maybe i can	03:28
kenvandine	you need the fixed libunity	03:29
RAOF	lamalex: Mmm, vesa's not likely to be 3d accelerated :). Can you give a dmesg? The log indicates that nouveau's having trouble opening the drm device.	03:29
kenvandine	my code from last night works	03:29
bcurtiswx	my problem is that the counting works, its just not showing up on the icon	03:29
lamalex	RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu.com/565668/	03:29
bcurtiswx	i have didrocks' libunity that was built today	03:30
bcurtiswx	someone clicked the wrong button 'eh	03:30
DBO	bcurtiswx, yeah you need trunk for now	03:30
DBO	didrocks build from today is not new enough	03:30
bcurtiswx	DBO, will bzr branch lp:libunity give me trunk ?	03:31
DBO	bcurtiswx, yes	03:32
RAOF	lamalex: Uuur, your kernel command line is funky! nomodeset + nouveau isn't going to work, at the very least :)	03:32
lamalex	lemme check it	03:32
lamalex	it might have been tweaked for nvidia	03:32
RAOF	lamalex: Maybe drop the uvesafb stuff, too.	03:32
RAOF	It looks very much like it has.	03:32
DBO	RAOF, does it... does it fix it	03:33
DBO	cuz you know... I wanna know...	03:33
bcurtiswx	error: Package `Dbusmenu-Glib-0.4' not found in specified Vala API directories or GObject-Introspection GIR directories	03:33
lamalex	RAOF, just quiet splash, right?	03:33
RAOF	DBO: Trying now.	03:33
RAOF	lamalex: Yah,.	03:33
lamalex	ok	03:33
lamalex	ok, trying again..	03:34
bcurtiswx	DBO, ^^	03:34
RAOF	DBO: I can't tell. First attempt resulted in the launcher not actually showing up when it should. I'll see if that's transient.	03:35
DBO	uhm	03:35
RAOF	...and now it's not hiding when it should.	03:35
DBO	i may have made that backwards	03:35
DBO	the logic is a bit hard there	03:35
RAOF	I'll try reversing it :)	03:35
DBO	RAOF, bool autohide_handle_hold = _autohide_handle && !hidden;	03:36
bcurtiswx	DBO, error: Package `Dbusmenu-Glib-0.4' not found in specified Vala API directories or GObject-Introspection GIR directories.. config worked.. am i missing something tho?	03:36
DBO	and then where it used to say !_autohide_handle	03:36
DBO	make that !autohide_handle_hold	03:36
RAOF	Do you mean !hidden or !_hidden?	03:37
lamalex	ok RAOF now I have no X :P	03:37
lamalex	gdm just flashes	03:37
RAOF	lamalex: Sweet! Xorg.0.log? :)	03:38
RAOF	DBO: I'm going with !_hidden	03:38
lamalex	heh much harder to copy and paste the link :P	03:38
DBO	RAOF, same thing	03:38
lamalex	http://paste.ubuntu.com/565670	03:39
lamalex	RAOF: ^	03:39
lamalex	but good news my tty is much nicer looking sans those lines in grub	03:39
lamalex	if byobu was only a curses version unity	03:40
lamalex	that would be wonderful	03:40
RAOF	Hm. That's a new one on me.	03:41
sladen	DBO: RAOF: happy debugging. going to crash now. nn	03:41
DBO	sladen, no crashing, this is Ubuntu	03:41
lamalex	RAOF: i didnt see anything obviously wrong in there, what line?	03:41
RAOF	lamalex: The bit near the end (starting at 318) where it prints a backtrace.	03:41
lamalex	RAOF: i can't see the paste..	03:42
bcurtiswx	hmm, can't figure out whats causing that error	03:42
lamalex	oh	03:42
lamalex	i was not at the bottom of the file apparently	03:42
RAOF	DBO: I think that's got it.	03:43
lamalex	ha. nice.	03:43
RAOF	lamalex: Yeah, it's a bit above the bottom; X catches its own segfaults and prints a backtrace.	03:43
bcurtiswx	error: Package `Dbusmenu-Glib-0.4' not found in specified Vala API directories or GObject-Introspection GIR directories.. if anyone has a clue that'd be great	03:43
lamalex	suh-weet.	03:43
DBO	RAOF, any luck?	03:45
RAOF	DBO: Yeah, I think that change fixes it.	03:45
DBO	awesome	03:45
DBO	okay I'll have that fix in my next branch	03:45
DBO	ehhh I'll put it up now actually	03:46
lamalex	RAOF: i like how it tells you to consult the x log in the x log :P	03:47
RAOF	It's very good that way :)	03:47
bcurtiswx	lamalex, its the ol' recursive trick. try to make your head go "kaploooey"	03:48
lamalex	so, i wonder what is making it segfault	03:48
DBO	RAOF, pushed	03:48
lamalex	because it wasn't segfaulting with all of the grubstuff	03:48
DBO	thank you for the help	03:48
lamalex	RAOF: think maybe the uvesafb jawn will help?	03:49
RAOF	It might, if only because it prevents nouveau from loading.	03:49
lamalex	ha	03:49
RAOF	What would be _really_ nice is a symbolic backtrace.	03:49
lamalex	know how I can get one?	03:49
RAOF	Something's gone kablooie there, possibly while registering GESTURE, possibly in GLX.	03:50
lamalex	can I run x under gdb?	03:50
RAOF	lamalex: SSH in from another system, sudo gdb X :)	03:50
lamalex	why can't I from this system?	03:50
kenvandine	DBO, if you aren't running unity, will unity_launcher_entry_get_for_desktop_id just return NULL?	03:50
lamalex	RAOF: also when I run X it says I'm not authorized	03:50
lamalex	does x nees to be run as root??	03:51
DBO	kenvandine, no it works regardless	03:51
RAOF	Yes, X needs root. Still.	03:51
lamalex	ah ok	03:51
* lamalex goes to get his netbook		03:51
bcurtiswx	hmm	03:51
kenvandine	DBO, humm... how does it get a launcher if there is no unity launcher running?	03:51
RAOF	lamalex: Because X will change VTs, and then when gdb stops it you'll be on the wrong VT. And X needs to release the VT in order for you to switch back to gdb	03:51
DBO	kenvandine, it doesn't, thats the magic of dbus	03:51
kenvandine	i guess i should worry about it if it won't actually break people :)	03:51
DBO	kenvandine, also I did mention that you dont actually get to see remote state	03:52
kenvandine	true	03:52
DBO	kenvandine, if you in one program set the count to 2	03:52
DBO	other programs dont see it	03:52
bcurtiswx	well i can't build the current libunity :-\	03:52
bcurtiswx	error: Package `Dbusmenu-Glib-0.4' not found in specified Vala API directories or GObject-Introspection GIR directories	03:53
DBO	make sure dbusmenu-glib is installed bcurtiswx	03:53
lamalex	hey RAOF so I assume there are some debugging symbol packages I should install	03:53
kenvandine	bcurtiswx, renamed	03:53
lamalex	any idea which ones>	03:53
kenvandine	bcurtiswx, it is Dbusmenu-0.4 now	03:54
kenvandine	not Dbusmenu-Glib-0.4	03:54
bcurtiswx	this is trunk im building from	03:54
kenvandine	yeah	03:55
kenvandine	dbusmenu changed just today	03:55
bcurtiswx	oh, configure.ac change?	03:55
RAOF	lamalex: xserver-xorg-core-dbg, xserver-xorg-input-evdev-dbg, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau-dbg. In general, check out list-symbols-packages-v2.sh from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash - it's awesome.	03:55
DBO	RAOF, still fixed? :)	03:56
kenvandine	bcurtiswx, no, just where it needs a gir or vapi name	03:56
RAOF	DBO: Hasn't come back yet :)	03:56
DBO	RAOF, you make my happy place happy	03:56
lamalex	RAOF: when I have X again I totally will	03:57
kenvandine	bcurtiswx, what are you building?	03:57
bcurtiswx	libunity	03:57
kenvandine	lp:~ken-vandine/libunity/dbusmenu_rename	03:57
kenvandine	merge that branch	03:57
kenvandine	i just proposed that merge to libunity	03:58
kenvandine	renamed it to fix GIR problems	03:58
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, OK thx	03:58
bcurtiswx	holy warnings batman	03:59
lamalex	RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/565676	04:00
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, do i need to restart unity after the make installs?	04:00
RAOF	lamalex: Bah, sorry. libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental-dbgsym too?	04:00
kenvandine	bcurtiswx, yes	04:01
bcurtiswx	FKDSNLFJBNDSJLbf	04:01
bcurtiswx	IT WORKS!!	04:01
kenvandine	woot	04:01
bcurtiswx	aww, didn't update total	04:02
bcurtiswx	but i got the initial draw tho	04:02
lamalex	RAOF: with dri: http://paste.ubuntu.com/565679	04:03
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, wait isn't that your problem too.. do I need to do something special?	04:03
kenvandine	not anymore	04:03
kenvandine	works great now	04:03
RAOF	lamalex: But that does tell me it's dying in glx init, so you could get X back just by removeing libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental.	04:05
RAOF	(In case you missed it in my crazy-router disconnect)	04:05
lamalex	i did miss that	04:05
lamalex	ok i will try that	04:05
lamalex	let's see	04:05
RAOF	Did you also miss the request for libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental-dbgsym?	04:06
lamalex	no, i posted a second trace with those symbols	04:06
lamalex	well	04:06
lamalex	i missed the request	04:06
lamalex	but i figured that out mself	04:07
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, hmm only works when i reset unity	04:07
lamalex	ermm ok so x started i guess but blak screen	04:07
bcurtiswx	maybe restart comp?	04:07
RAOF	lamalex: Sadness. With libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental removed? Try a restart; sometimes things get wedged.	04:08
lamalex	ok no i got it	04:08
bcurtiswx	brb gonna restart	04:08
lamalex	i needed to start gdm	04:08
lamalex	ok i have gnome	04:08
RAOF	Woot!	04:08
RAOF	But edgers segfaults X on startup for you.	04:08
lamalex	and at a much nicer res than vesa	04:09
RAOF	This is probably because you've got a significantly newer card than anything I've got access to.	04:09
lamalex	so this is /better/	04:09
RAOF	Oh, yes. And with acceleration! :)	04:09
lamalex	RAOF: if there's anything I can do to help	04:09
lamalex	ill test any crazy patches you want just send em to me	04:09
RAOF	lamalex: I'll see about backporting the bit which fixes unity on my machine, then talk patches.	04:10
kenvandine	bcurtiswx, well	04:11
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, only shows on a unity --reset	04:12
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, i can pastebin the code for a quick look if you want	04:12
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/565682/	04:13
kenvandine	i'll try to look in a bit	04:15
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, OK	04:15
kenvandine	want to get xchat-indicator uploaded here	04:15
bcurtiswx	for sure, i hope i can get empathy out tomorrow.. for sure with your help	04:15
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, highlight	04:20
kenvandine	woot	04:20
kenvandine	working well	04:20
bcurtiswx	brag brag brag :P	04:21
kenvandine	:-D	04:21
lamalex	hmm nouveau does not seem to handle my laptop backlight as well	04:28
lamalex	and renders notify osd wrong	04:36
lamalex	nice	04:36
bcurtiswx	11:39PM and it's probably like 12 in the afternoon in Australias	04:39
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, save that paste loc, and we'll chat next tomorrow mornin ?	04:52
bcurtiswx	nite all	04:53
RAOF	Urgh! Lets say I'm using the newest unity, and I still have the problem with an invisible window stealing input on the leftmost part of my screen. What info, if any, do you guys \need?	06:40
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didrocks	good morning	07:36
RAOF	Howdie didrocks	07:56
didrocks	hey RAOF	08:00
RAOF	Mmm, bisecting mesa on an atom netbook. It's fast, like the lightning!	08:03
oSoMoN	good morning	08:05
MacSlow	greeetings folks	08:06
RAOF	Ah. It's obviously the morning somewhere :)	08:07
MacSlow	hey there RAOF	08:08
RAOF	Hey MacSlow!	08:09
sladen	moaning	08:25
didrocks	sladen: hey	09:17
didrocks	sladen: I've uploaded a cherry-picked version fixing most of the false positive in showing the launcher	09:17
didrocks	sladen: but I can still trigger some, just not a reproducible testcase though	09:17
didrocks	sladen: if you find one, do not hesitate to open a new bug :)	09:17
sladen	didrocks: oooh, groovy. I was expecting to wait a week (or succomb to local patching!	09:18
didrocks	sladen: no, it was too annoying to let it that way :)	09:18
didrocks	but still, some false positives (not a lot though)	09:18
didrocks	so test case can be nice! :)	09:19
sladen	didrocks: it's very modal. So it's fine until you trigger whatever combination sends it into that mode	09:20
sladen	didrocks: will keep my eye out	09:20
didrocks	sladen: thanks :)	09:20
DJKorbit	good morning	10:13
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DJKorbit	i've followed the instructions in the INSTALL file of unity on how to install from source	10:59
DJKorbit	but i can't my compiled version of unity	10:59
DJKorbit	any clue of what might be going wrong?	10:59
kamstrup	Does anyone know why I can no longer hold down a keyboard key, I have to do repeated tapping now...	11:50
kamstrup	Ah, already found the option	11:51
kamstrup	Awesome that 'Keypresses repeat when key is held down' defaults to false...	11:51
kamstrup	X-\|	11:52
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aruiz	dbarth, at what time is ted usually around?	12:16
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cyphermox	kvalo, you there?	13:22
kvalo	cyphermox: yes	13:25
kvalo	cyphermox: what's up?	13:25
cyphermox	hey :)	13:26
cyphermox	testing the new connman and ofono now	13:26
cyphermox	so normally things should just work for eth, wifi and 3g?	13:27
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kvalo	cyphermox: cool. for 3g it depends what modem you have.	13:29
cyphermox	zte mf 636	13:29
cyphermox	it's a pretty standard one, I don't think it has too complex an interface ;)	13:29
kvalo	cyphermox: what's the usb id?	13:30
cyphermox	19d2:2000, flips to 19d2:0108 IIRC	13:33
kvalo	cyphermox: idProduct 2000 is missing from ofono.rules, at least.	13:35
kvalo	cyphermox: sorry, meant 0108 of course	13:36
kvalo	cyphermox: but do you have problems with wifi and ethernet as well?	13:36
cyphermox	kvalo, only getting to testing	13:37
cyphermox	I don't want to break my dev systems so I took my aspire one, but it needed updating	13:37
kvalo	ah, ok	13:37
cyphermox	but afaik, the new conflicts work great	13:37
kvalo	good, that's very important	13:37
cyphermox	it would just be cool if you could tell me how connman and ofono get restarted on upgrades, because afaik they shouldn't (potentially cuts connections, which is not good when you're trying to do work at the same time)	13:38
kvalo	cyphermox: for daily builds they are restarted currently	13:40
kvalo	cyphermox: let me check from the scripts	13:40
cyphermox	well, here now they got restarted	13:40
cyphermox	it's not in maint scripts :/	13:40
cyphermox	maybe upstart does that itself?	13:41
kvalo	DEB_DH_INSTALLINIT_ARGS = --restart-after-upgrade	13:41
cyphermox	d'oh	13:41
cyphermox	I fail ;)	13:41
kvalo	but that was from the daily builds	13:41
kvalo	I doubt ubuntu packages have that	13:42
kvalo	yeah, you should use --no-restart-on-upgrade	13:43
kvalo	cyphermox: but I have to say that if I agree that it's better to reboot than restart connman. it's extremely annoying to boot the whole device	13:44
cyphermox	kvalo, there won't be daily connman updates though	13:45
kvalo	cyphermox: true	13:45
kvalo	but still every reboot is an annoyance	13:45
kvalo	heh, maybe something like connman would restart itself when it's disconnected ;)	13:46
cyphermox	there is no better way than notify for reboot afaik	13:46
cyphermox	that's how NM does it now	13:46
cyphermox	doesn't mean you have to reboot, you can just restart connman and carry on if that's what you prefer ;)	13:46
kvalo	actually for ofono udev rules might be broken	13:47
* bcurtiswx waves to room		13:48
kvalo	they are not always backward compatible	13:48
kvalo	bcurtiswx: hi	13:48
cyphermox	bcurtiswx, hey	13:48
cyphermox	kvalo, it's time to test ofono now	13:49
cyphermox	wifi is online	13:49
cyphermox	connman doesn't have ipv6 yet does it?	13:49
cyphermox	kvalo, ok, seems my modem is actually a :0031, and supported	13:58
kvalo	cyphermox: it has ipv6, but indicator-network doesn't support yet. but if you have radvd, it will work	13:59
kvalo	cyphermox: cool that your modem works!	13:59
cyphermox	i don't have radvd, connman should ask dhcp too	14:00
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kvalo	dhcpv6 is not supported	14:00
cyphermox	kvalo, yikes	14:00
cyphermox	oh well	14:00
kvalo	why do you need dhcpv6?	14:01
cyphermox	btw, I noticed something: failed to set regulatory domain	14:01
cyphermox	kvalo, that's how I hand off IPv6 addresses here	14:01
kvalo	RA is much easier :)	14:01
cyphermox	supported by my wireless router too	14:01
cyphermox	it's easier yes, but I like things complicated :)	14:02
kvalo	:)	14:02
kvalo	about the regdomain, I think we should just disable that for now	14:02
cyphermox	no	14:02
cyphermox	it's there for a reason ;)	14:02
cyphermox	and it also fails for a reason here: driver has its own rules and handles it properly	14:03
kvalo	nah, hardware will provide the regdomain anyway	14:03
cyphermox	kvalo, I think connman knows better	14:03
kvalo	I haven't checked, but most probably connman checks the country from ip and sets the regdomain based from that	14:03
cyphermox	e.g you can give the right regdomain based on location, which the driver doesn't necessarily know	14:03
kvalo	but that's not really needed feature right now and most probably just exposes kernel bugs	14:04
cyphermox	kvalo, otoh, this is details. for now things seem to work	14:04
cyphermox	kvalo, this is not about feature though, really more about compliance	14:04
kvalo	in the future, then things are really stable setting regdomain based on location is safe.	14:05
kvalo	but that's so new stuff	14:05
kvalo	so there are definitely bugs.	14:06
kvalo	for example, I was reading last week about regdomain bugs in kernel	14:06
cyphermox	well, what I mean is it's not a crasher, so I don't think it should be taken out	14:06
cyphermox	not touched, maybe, if it's buggy but not crashing (better than none at all)	14:06
kvalo	it doesn't crash your setup	14:06
cyphermox	no, it doesn't	14:07
cyphermox	just a log entry	14:07
kvalo	but might create problems for someone else	14:07
kvalo	but I don't care that much that I would start arguing about this :)	14:07
cyphermox	hehe me neither	14:08
kvalo	cyphermox: how does it work otherwise? btw, did you include my dhcp patch?	14:16
cyphermox	yup	14:18
kvalo	nice	14:18
cyphermox	oh wait... this is going to be a little more difficult to test properly	14:18
kvalo	gord: oh no, http://valadoc.org/valadoc.html doesn't work for me!	14:19
* kvalo needs his valadoc		14:20
gord	kvalo, http://valadoc.org/references.html ?	14:20
kvalo	gord: works, thanks :)	14:20
gord	:)	14:21
DJKorbit	hi	14:23
DJKorbit	anyone here with troubles running your compiled version of unity?	14:23
DJKorbit	i'd like to share my pain with someone	14:24
DJKorbit	i'm getting a segfault when i try to launch unity's compiz plugin	14:30
DJKorbit	i'm using compiz from git repo	14:30
lamalex	apinheiro, i just replied to your testing email	14:34
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mtrudel	kvalo: apparently, my ppa packages don' t have the patch, but I did put it in the branch, so updating now to test this ;)	14:35
kvalo	mtrudel: thanks	14:36
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API	lamalex, ok, thanks, I will read it now	14:39
lamalex	woo we are down to 18 NEW bugs in unity	14:40
didrocks	+ a few on the places and bamf/dee, but yeah, the bug number is way lower, good work dx!	14:42
didrocks	:)	14:42
DJKorbit	can any of you help me to put my compiled version of unity running?	14:43
DJKorbit	i always get a segfault on compiz when i start unity	14:43
lamalex	DJKorbit, when it's printing out the nux information?	14:43
DJKorbit	i don't know, here is what i did	14:44
DJKorbit	i downloaded the source, compiled and installed this packages	14:44
DJKorbit	ccsm compiz-with-glib-mainloop nux plugins-main	14:44
DJKorbit	compizconfig-python libcompizconfig plugins-extra unity	14:44
DJKorbit	in the order written in the INSTALL file in unity	14:45
DJKorbit	i run "compiz --replace cpp &" and i get an error saying that cpp does not exist	14:45
DJKorbit	then i run ccsm and unity appears enabled, i disable it and enable it again, then i get the segfault	14:45
DJKorbit	this is really annoying because i have code i want to test and i can't even test a printf to see if my code is running :(	14:46
DJKorbit	i think i've fixed the code for the launcher showing up unmounted volumes, but i can't test it	14:47
lamalex	API, what I suggested might be a little difficult as you need a compiz screen	14:47
API	so TestPanel.cpp is somehow a compiz plugin?	14:48
API	lamalex, ^	14:48
API	as far as I see on this code	14:48
lamalex	no testpanel.cpp is not a compiz plugin	14:49
API	it seems a standalone nux application	14:49
lamalex	yes	14:49
API	not a compiz plugin	14:49
API	that is what Im answering on my email	14:49
API	that we can't use that approach	14:49
API	at least	14:49
API	not directly	14:49
cyphermox	hey mtrudel	14:49
mtrudel	cyphermox: hey dude	14:49
cyphermox	kvalo, mtrudel is my session on konversation w/ connman with your patch, let's see if it disconnects after 3 min (my dhcp lease time)	14:50
lamalex	API, yah that's why I said, "API, what I suggested might be a little difficult as you need a compiz screen"	14:51
kvalo	hi mtrudel :)	14:51
cyphermox	hehe	14:51
cyphermox	so far so good	14:51
API	lamalex, so you are suggesting more or less doing the same that in the TesPanel	14:51
API	but mixed with david proposal	14:52
API	of looking the code	14:52
API	of basic compiz plugins	14:52
API	something like a "unity testing compiz plugin"	14:52
cyphermox	kvalo, I think it would be nice to have some logging to let us know there was a dhcp renewal with no change; just in case we find out down the road that there's an issue	14:53
cyphermox	kvalo, but I think this is proving that your patch works as expected applied to the package	14:53
kvalo	cyphermox: with '-d' there is a message. if you see "changed = 0" or something like that there is no change	14:54
cyphermox	oh	14:54
cyphermox	cool, that's good enough	14:54
DJKorbit	lamalex, if i send you my patch, can you see if it fixes the mount bug?	14:57
cyphermox	kvalo, perfect, just got a "changed 0"	14:57
kvalo	cyphermox: I accidentally forgot that debug line to the patch ;)	14:58
lamalex	DJKorbit, no I am not able to run unity atm	14:58
DJKorbit	lamalex, ok	14:58
lamalex	DJKorbit, where is is segfaulting, how are you running unity that you know it's segfaulting?	14:59
DJKorbit	i'm calling through gnome-terminal	14:59
DJKorbit	i run compiz --replace and it exists with segfault once i activate the unity plugin in ccsm	15:00
lamalex	ahh	15:00
lamalex	DJKorbit, ok so first off it's way easier to run 'unity' from the command line	15:00
DJKorbit	lamalex, i'll try that	15:06
DJKorbit	it doesn't work, i don't have window borders now	15:07
DJKorbit	i'll run the default unity from a text console export the display to :0	15:08
DJKorbit	i'll try to use gdb to open the core dump	15:08
DJKorbit	where does the core dump go?	15:09
DJKorbit	i tried /var/crash	15:11
DJKorbit	what segfaulted was unity-panel-service	15:11
DJKorbit	ExecutablePath: /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service	15:11
DJKorbit	ignore that crash, it's from yesterday	15:13
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kenvandine	ronoc, i proposed a branch porting to libnotify4-dev, so it doesn't depend on the deprecated libnotify	15:26
kenvandine	ronoc, note the new libnotify dropped support for attaching to a widget	15:26
ronoc	kenvandine, any other way around not attaching to the widget ?	15:33
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, i am using your xchat-indicator but somehow my (locally built unity) isn't showing numbers when i'm highlighted	15:34
bcurtiswx	so i'll have to look as to why my unity isn't updating	15:34
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kenvandine	bcurtiswx, ping	15:50
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, thx.. indicator works, but not mind..	15:50
* bcurtiswx \o/		15:50
bcurtiswx	mine*	15:50
kenvandine	hehe	15:51
kenvandine	any changes since last night?	15:51
bcurtiswx	nope	15:51
kenvandine	ok, i'll try soonish	15:51
kenvandine	glad the xchat one works though	15:51
kenvandine	:-D	15:51
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, thx. i'll let you know if i get anywhere :)	15:51
* bcurtiswx bows down to kenvandine		15:52
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, when you do look at the code.. don't laugh :P	16:03
kenvandine	bcurtiswx, i glanced at it last night... it looks remarkably like xchat-indicator :)	16:04
kenvandine	bcurtiswx, however, being nestled down in empathy's event code is going to make it need to be more complicated i suspect	16:04
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, yes well.. the count works. as the debug shows.. at least	16:05
kenvandine	oh... good :)	16:06
kenvandine	i'll look after i get through some of these DX releases	16:06
kenvandine	bcurtiswx, sorry i didn't get to it last night... i fell asleep with my laptop still open right after i got xchat-indicator uploaded :)	16:07
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, no need to be sorry :)	16:08
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, did todays unity libunity updates include the stuff we need for this, so I don't have to keep building from source	16:09
kenvandine	yes	16:09
kenvandine	i uploaded that fix last night before i crashed	16:09
bcurtiswx	OK, well then maybe unity will work for me.. lol	16:10
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bcurtiswx	ping someone plz	16:14
aruiz	tedg, ping	16:16
* kenvandine waves to aruiz		16:17
kenvandine	bcurtiswx, ping	16:17
aruiz	kenvandine, hey hey	16:17
aruiz	how are you doing?	16:17
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, once more, plz	16:17
kenvandine	great, and you?	16:17
kenvandine	bcurtiswx, ping once more	16:17
aruiz	kenvandine, having some LibreOffice/DBusMenu fun	16:18
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, hmm, with todays libunity i don't see your numbers.. maybe somethings wrong on my system	16:18
kenvandine	aruiz, that really doesn't sound like fun	16:18
kenvandine	:)	16:18
aruiz	kenvandine, it's painful, but somewhat rewarding	16:18
bcurtiswx	hmm, just got -0ubuntu5 for libunity3.. ping again :) i appreciate the help	16:23
kenvandine	bcurtiswx, ping	16:24
bcurtiswx	no numbers.. fully updated :-\	16:24
bcurtiswx	for xchat-indicator	16:24
kenvandine	oh?	16:25
kenvandine	is it showing up in your indicator?	16:25
bcurtiswx	ping again.. didn't look	16:25
and471	kvalo, hi	16:32
and471	kvalo, from first glance I can't see the root of the problem	16:32
and471	so I want to compile and run indicator-network-settings to see if I can fix it	16:32
and471	should libconnman work on maverick?	16:33
dbarth_	tedg: piti is offering to help get a fallback plan for nvidia in #ubuntu-meeting	16:54
* apw wonders if the experimental package of gallium drivers might work for your purposes		16:55
dbarth_	lamalex: victopr is looking for the autopilot program, the current version will do if the c++ one is blocked	16:55
dbarth_	victorp rather	16:55
dbarth_	apw: we'de rather get nvidia, as this is what users will most probably run	16:55
dbarth_	ie, what we will recommend for natty	16:55
apw	dbarth_, no pretty boot for them then	16:56
dbarth_	but yeah, for a 2-weeks solution	16:56
dbarth_	ie, to let developers continue to work	16:56
apw	yeah	16:56
dbarth_	apw: thanks for proposing to help	16:56
apw	one should ask bryce about the xorg-retro PPA, that might be utilised too	16:57
dbarth_	tedg: ^^	16:59
apw	<tjaalton> apw: libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental	16:59
apw	is the gallium stuff one might try	16:59
lamalex	dbarth_, I updated the python one in trunk yesterday to fix the indent error	17:00
lamalex	didrocks, did you make that packaging fix?	17:00
dbarth_	lamalex: super, thanks	17:00
dbarth_	lamalex: just reference it on the unity wiki page somewhere, and you'll get customers; they're waiting at the door: they all want it ;)	17:00
didrocks	lamalex: you mean, taking your latest version?	17:00
dbarth_	victorp, the xorg guys	17:01
dbarth_	cool	17:01
lamalex	dbarth_, ok	17:01
lamalex	didrocks, yah- we were going to install it to like /usr/lib/unity or something	17:01
didrocks	lamalex: no, I didn't think about it (add to an install target): please open a bug so that I can think we I have some time	17:02
lamalex	:(	17:02
didrocks	sorry but ETOOMANYPING	17:02
lamalex	we talked about it in Dallas	17:02
didrocks	lamalex: I know, I have to change the upstream cmake file	17:02
didrocks	(so not really packaging)	17:02
lamalex	dbarth_, I will update a wiki page sometime today, in the mean time can you tell victor it's in unity trunk tools/autopilot.py	17:03
jcastro	kklimonda: did you get my mail wrt. transmission and progress bar thingies?	17:09
nmarques	good people, will we have a libindicate release soon ?	17:28
nmarques	last file name changes on dbusmenu trigger build side effects on libindicate	17:29
lamalex	oubiwann_, this is where bug info has been going https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnityFilingBugs	17:51
lamalex	including triage stuff	17:51
oubiwann_	lamalex: awesome, thanks	17:52
lamalex	gabaug, http://i.imgur.com/KKCOw.png	17:54
lamalex	be right back	17:55
lamalex	erm, sorry	17:55
lamalex	where is ted?	18:02
nmarques	tedg, hi, do you have planned an update for libindicate ?	18:06
tedg	nmarques, update? Today?	18:09
nmarques	tedg, yeah a new release, the latest changes on dbusmenu broke libindicate for me :(	18:10
kenvandine	nmarques, how so?	18:11
kenvandine	is it just the build?	18:11
tedg	nmarques, Uhg, I didn't realize it broke. So, need to fix it before I can release it :)	18:11
nmarques	tedg, Couldn't find include 'Dbusmenu-Glib-0.4.gir'	18:11
kenvandine	right	18:11
nmarques	tedg, indicator-sound also the same ;)	18:11
kenvandine	that would be an easy patch :)	18:12
kenvandine	just rename it	18:12
kenvandine	nmarques, i proposed a branch to ronoc for indicator-sound already	18:12
nmarques	kenvandine, I haven't looked at it yet, cause I'm still updating other stuff	18:12
kenvandine	ok	18:12
nmarques	kenvandine, but from my repo, those 2 packages seem to be the only ones with a problem so far	18:12
kenvandine	just replace Dbusmenu-Glib-0.4 with Dbusmenu-0.4 in Makefile.am	18:12
kenvandine	we renamed that to fix introspection	18:13
nmarques	yeah, I've seen the changelogs ;)	18:13
kenvandine	ok	18:13
lamalex	tedg, do there is little to nothing about triaging on that wiki page duncan emailed. I really don't even know where to start since my technique is, "do I know what the problem is? Yes -> Confirms \| No -> Ask for glxinfo/drivers" :P	18:13
tedg	lamalex, Heh, in general it should be "does it look like there's enough information to debug" else "ask for more info" -- but surely more debugging techniques is useful.	18:15
tedg	lamalex, We should probably work on that some as well.	18:15
tedg	lamalex, Like, how do you get the data out of the places to see if they're broken.	18:15
lamalex	you mean Places (tm)	18:16
lamalex	?	18:16
tedg	lamalex, Yeah, there should be some way with dee, no?	18:16
nmarques	kenvandine, I've fixed it, do you want me to submit the patches ?	18:16
lamalex	tedg, I actually don't know	18:16
tedg	Perhaps we could do an apport hook or something...	18:16
tedg	nmarques, Actually, I fixed it too :)	18:17
tedg	nmarques, So no need :)	18:17
tedg	Thank you though!	18:17
nmarques	tedg, a release is better for me, cause the less patches the better ;)	18:17
nmarques	tedg, np	18:17
tedg	nmarques, Yeah, can do.	18:18
nmarques	tedg, awesome ;P	18:18
jcastro	DBO: did you see trevino's menu fade merge proposal from yesterday?	18:28
DBO	jcastro, no	18:28
jcastro	DBO: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/fading-title	18:44
jcastro	it appears that you're on it	18:44
DBO	jcastro, i didn't do that	18:44
DBO	someone else di	18:44
DBO	d	18:44
DBO	oh that one!	18:45
DBO	yeah I think thats merged	18:45
tedg	lamalex, Here's the one I wrote previously: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager	18:45
tedg	lamalex, That may have some ideas.	18:46
lamalex	cool	18:46
tedg	nmarques, https://launchpad.net/libindicate/0.5/0.4.93	18:50
nmarques	tedg, ;) thx	18:51
lamalex	tedg, that page is pretty detailed, nice	18:54
DBO	gnome-power-manager has a significant memory leak	18:58
tedg	lamalex, What else can we ask for unity? Perhaps dump the panel-service?	18:58
tedg	DBO, It seems to be libappindicator, though we've been unable to effectively isolate it.	18:58
lamalex	introspection dumb	18:59
lamalex	dump	18:59
DBO	tedg really...	18:59
DBO	if the leak is there its likely elsewhere too	18:59
tedg	DBO, Yes, but on some systems GPM rebuilds the menu several times a second, so it's most noticible there.	18:59
tedg	DBO, I actually think that it's in the GTK menu code, but I have no proof.	19:00
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DBO	tedg, is it possible to stub out methods to deal with gtk menu?	19:02
tedg	DBO, possibly, but since the app is the one allocating all those, and we're responding to them. I'm not sure it'd prove that it's GtkMenu's fault even if we did.	19:03
tedg	DBO, bug 569273	19:06
ubot5	Launchpad bug 569273 in indicator-application (Ubuntu Lucid) "memory leak in gnome-power-manager" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569273	19:06
tedg	lamalex, Didn't smspillaz have a mode to dump compiz's memory, should we put that in the doc?	19:08
lamalex	hm maybe	19:09
lamalex	smspillaz, ^ wake up	19:09
smspillaz	tedg: yes, the debug spew plugin	19:10
smspillaz	(I'm not awake)	19:10
tedg	smspillaz, How does one do that?	19:11
smspillaz	tedg: ccsm -> debug spewer -> enable it -> set the keybinding -> wait for something bad to happen -> press keybinding -> send /tmp/compiz_internal_state$pid to me	19:11
smspillaz	or to whoever	19:11
kenvandine	tedg, is libindicate the last for the day?	19:13
jcastro	DBO: man I just found the coolest launcher bug, I had to take a video, you're going to love this	19:15
DBO	jcastro, is it the one where the hiding flips the hell out	19:15
jcastro	yeah	19:15
jcastro	it's totally awesome	19:15
* kenvandine wants to see		19:16
jcastro	one sec	19:17
spikeb	hmm, release schedule got changed a bit.	19:17
jcastro	kenvandine: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/nice_one_jason.ogv	19:18
spikeb	LOL love the name	19:19
jcastro	heh	19:19
jcastro	I love how my pithos icon inexplicably just attached itself to the mouse pointer	19:19
DBO	jcastro, you have such fail in me	19:19
spikeb	haha	19:19
DBO	jcastro, can you figure out how to trigger it reliably?	19:20
DBO	thats been the hardest part of fixing that	19:20
jcastro	yes, switching to any non-static option in ccsm	19:20
jcastro	if I turn off autohide it works	19:20
jcastro	but any autohide mode makes it go like that	19:20
DBO	wait what?	19:20
DBO	every time?	19:20
jcastro	yeah	19:20
DBO	seriously...	19:21
jcastro	Dodge active window seems to make it the most spastic	19:21
jcastro	with the other hides it tries to come out but jiggles and gives up	19:21
jcastro	when I do dodge active window it basically sits there jiggling indefinately	19:22
DBO	works fine here...	19:22
jcastro	I take it there's no bug for this yet?	19:22
DBO	simply reporting the bug to me wont get it fixed :P	19:23
DBO	i need your help	19:23
DBO	see you can reproduce the problem	19:23
jcastro	every time	19:23
DBO	also I want you to know you have no fun games	19:23
DBO	(off topic I know)	19:23
jcastro	yeah, we can do some cheap xbl stuff though	19:23
DBO	fair enough	19:23
jcastro	ok so I'll file a bug and start documenting	19:23
DBO	what version of unity do you have?	19:24
jcastro	just updated today, whatever's in natty	19:24
kenvandine	jcastro, that's good stuff man	19:24
DBO	tedg, my date time indicator is now just a time indicator	19:25
DBO	I am annoyed	19:25
DBO	how do I fix this?	19:25
kenvandine	gsettings	19:26
DBO	gsettings has no gui kenvandine	19:26
DBO	NO GUI	19:26
kenvandine	one sec	19:26
tedg	DBO, dconf-editor	19:26
jcastro	http://askubuntu.com/questions/17226/how-do-i-show-the-date-in-the-clock-indicator	19:26
tedg	DBO, In dconf-tools	19:27
jcastro	DBO: see that link	19:27
jcastro	and then give the guy some upboats	19:27
kenvandine	gsettings set com.canonical.indicator.datetime show-date true	19:27
kenvandine	DBO, ^^	19:28
tedg	Yeah, jcastro can you edit that for natty?	19:28
DBO	it already is true	19:28
tedg	That worked for Lucid, but in Natty it needs to be "com.canonical"	19:28
DBO	its still just a time indicator	19:28
kenvandine	DBO, use my command	19:28
kenvandine	if that doesn't work, there is a bug and it is tedg's fault	19:28
kenvandine	:-D	19:28
jcastro	tedg: I certainly can	19:29
DBO	kenvandine, +2 internets!	19:29
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, i must say, i like having the date on my panel. yes	19:31
* kenvandine doesn't		19:31
bcurtiswx	most mornings I wake up and don't know what day it is until i check my phone or my computer.. lol	19:31
jcastro	tedg: for 10.10 it's still org.ayatana I assume?	19:31
DBO	bcurtiswx, totally agree	19:31
DBO	"what is today's date" is a very common question to hear from me	19:32
kenvandine	jcastro, no it is com.canonical	19:32
kenvandine	oh	19:32
kenvandine	for 10.10	19:32
kenvandine	yes	19:32
kenvandine	org.ayatana	19:32
jcastro	http://askubuntu.com/questions/17226/how-do-i-show-the-date-in-the-clock-indicator	19:32
tedg	jcastro, correct	19:32
jcastro	we're all set now	19:32
kenvandine	we should make sure all the indicators are using that new name	19:32
* kenvandine knows some aren't		19:33
* kenvandine will do that		19:33
* tedg thinks kenvandine should talk to himself more often		19:33
kenvandine	tedg, done with releases for today?	19:33
spikeb	spikeb, kenvandine here had an interesting idea.	19:33
tedg	kenvandine, yup	19:33
kenvandine	tedg, great	19:34
DBO	hehe	19:34
DBO	the girlfriend is playing deadspace	19:34
DBO	its awesome to watch	19:34
jcastro	DBO: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/717364	19:38
DBO	jcastro, you dont have to make up bugs to get my attention :)	19:39
bcurtiswx	brb	19:41
jcastro	DBO: I like to be ignored just like everyone else!	19:43
bcurtiswx_	back	19:44
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bcurtiswx	kenvandine, if you want to push the empathy fixes, go ahead :)	19:52
kenvandine	push?	19:52
kenvandine	did you get it fixed?	19:52
nmarques	guys one tiny question	19:59
nmarques	on the application menu indicator, for example if we opne empathy it displays the correct menu, if we close it and re-open it through the indicator-messages, it does no longer displays the menu... does this also happens on Ubuntu ?	20:00
kenvandine	nmarques, not happening for me	20:06
nmarques	kenvandine, ;(	20:09
bcurtiswx	kenvandine, it works for new IM's	20:12
tedg	nmarques, Yes, it happens for me... have to blame mterry for that one... I know why :)	20:13
nmarques	tedg, anyway I can fix it ? :)	20:28
tedg	nmarques, Yeah, I probably wont' get to it today though.	20:40
nmarques	tedg, I'll wait, no worries with that	20:41
nmarques	tedg, I still have a lot to do on compiz for unity :(	20:41
lamalex	we have so many incomplete bugs I have volunteered to triage	20:57
lamalex	fml	20:57
lamalex	So part of the problem is that thunderbird is a giant piece of crap for filtering these launchpad headers.	20:58
tedg	lamalex, Yes, you'll probably need procmail.	20:58
tedg	lamalex, I had to break down and set that up. It's the only way.	20:59
lamalex	UGH	20:59
lamalex	If I slam my head into the corner of a wall because of bug triaging, do I get workers comp?	20:59
tedg	lamalex, No, but slamming your head into GL surfaces does count ;)	21:00
lamalex	haha	21:00
lamalex	Ok I'll just paint some polygons onto it	21:00
lamalex	who will know the difference	21:00
nattylivetest-1	greetings	21:28
nattylivetest-1	testdriving, natty alpha 2 and something hit me just now: I was instinctively reaching for the top left menu button while having FF4 in full screen, which made the side bar slide in, so I could reach for the desktop switcher... that might sound like "working as intended" for you, but it's my first taste of Unity 3d, yet that felt natural, so kudos to the people involved	21:33
nattylivetest-1	BUT	21:33
nattylivetest-1	(if anyone's listening?)	21:33
lamalex	DEEBS	21:37
lamalex	nattylivetest-1, i am listening	21:37
nattylivetest-1	lamalex: great! are you part of the Unity team?	21:39
lamalex	yes	21:39
nattylivetest-1	even better	21:39
lamalex	so is DBO and the launcher is his baby	21:39
nattylivetest-1	ok :)	21:39
lamalex	his ugly ugly baby	21:39
nattylivetest-1	hmm hang on	21:39
=== nattylivetest-1 is now known as PsynoKhi0
DBO	ugly?	21:40
DBO	nobody has ever made a more integrated launcher	21:40
DBO	ever	21:40
PsynoKhi0	anyway.... ;)	21:40
lamalex	yah but it never stops crying	21:41
PsynoKhi0	so I thought it was great that it felt natural to me (though I had to first get a fullscreen app up to see the trick)	21:42
lamalex	how old is it? and it still uses a bottle?	21:42
DBO	its like 6 months	21:42
DBO	so yeah	21:42
DBO	bottle fed still	21:42
DBO	i love when you stop a build halfway through	21:42
DBO	and then your terminal text is purple until you start another build	21:42
lamalex	haha that doesn't happen to me	21:43
DBO	it does if you exit while the text is purple	21:43
DBO	back	21:44
PsynoKhi0	though how about brand new users? I'm going through the docs on Canonical's website, though it doesn't look like anything's in place to make first time users comfortable with the UI... You know something that would answer an e.g. windows user's "now what?" once the Unity desktop shows up	21:45
PsynoKhi0	well, anyone who has or hasn't past experience with desktop UIs for that matter	21:46
lamalex	uh, there are like a total of 5 people who haven't used a computer before who will come into contact with unity	21:48
lamalex	and for them it will be the first time	21:48
lamalex	so it won't matter theyll be a blank slate	21:48
PsynoKhi1	compiz crashed :(	21:50
lamalex	PsynoKhi1, so the thing about docs is that right now it's pointless	21:51
lamalex	things are changing so much	21:51
lamalex	that behavior will be different, look, etc	21:51
lamalex	sometime after feature freeze we will have docs for how to use and stuff	21:52
PsynoKhi1	erm ok though I meant: anyone working on e.g. first steps onscreen help thingy?	21:52
PsynoKhi1	FSOHT is a kickbutt acronym acutally....	21:53
PsynoKhi1	actually even	21:53
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lamalex	PsynoKhi1, uh i don't actually know	21:54
PsynoKhi1	ah	21:54
lamalex	that would be a /great/ contribution though	21:54
lamalex	if you want to help out	21:54
PsynoKhi1	any little step that helps me get closer to the point where I can walk into a computer shop of my choice, and get out with a lappy of my choice with the OS of my choice on it, I'd gladly help, and since I think that NOT freaking out new users with an alien UI should increase mainstream adoption... sure thing!	21:56
PsynoKhi1	can't code for the life of me though, I can setup a design draft if that's enough for now?	21:58
lamalex	well docs are not code	21:58
lamalex	docs are just writing	21:58
lamalex	so if you're literate, you can help ;)	21:58
lamalex	njpatel, DBO, jcastro, do we have a user documentation plan?	21:58
lamalex	are we going to go the yelp route?	21:58
lamalex	mallard or whatever it's called	21:59
DBO	i think that would be ideal	21:59
jcastro	no clue	21:59
PsynoKhi1	leetureight I am	21:59
=== PsynoKhi1 is now known as PsynoKhi0
PsynoKhi0	brb	22:02
lamalex	Who here is running unity. Can you try and reproduce this https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/692823	22:06
jcastro	i've logged in like 4 times today and haven't had that	22:10
jcastro	htorque: how about you?	22:10
PsynoKhi0	lamalex: does submitting a suggestion about an UI help system risk hurting a few egos though? I mean, that's kind of like admitting the UI isn't intuitive enough....	22:11
jcastro	lamalex: do you see this by any chance? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/717364	22:12
lamalex	PsynoKhi0, well maybe I don't understand what you're suggesting	22:12
lamalex	it sounded like you had no problems and Unity behaved as you'd expected without you even knowing how it was going to behave	22:13
jcastro	PsynoKhi0: what I recommend is around freeze time we'll likely be asking for people to help document stuff	22:13
jcastro	that would be the ideal time to jump in	22:13
jcastro	PsynoKhi0: For example we could use some help documenting keyboard shortcuts as a start: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/KeyboardShortcuts	22:14
lamalex	PsynoKhi0, in the mean time if there are pieces of the ui where you think the interaction needs improvement, file a bug	22:17
lamalex	you don't have to have the fix	22:17
PsynoKhi0	erm there are keyboard shortcuts? o.O got no run menu with alt+F2 so I thought "screw this" heh	22:17
lamalex	i was trying to figure out why those weren't working and realized I wasn't using unity	22:19
PsynoKhi0	ok here's the thing: I burned natty alpha 2 on a CD to run a live session, so I could get a feeling of how Unity worked, and to see if there was any on-screen hints I thought a person with no previous experience of Ubuntu might find useful to learn their way around the UI	22:21
* spikeb nods and listens		22:21
PsynoKhi0	though you might every well be expecting 1. the UI to be intuitive enough (which by all means would be the best one could wish for) 2. the user to adopt a hit-and-miss approach (which IMO won't cut it for the masses of - pardon my cynism)	22:22
PsynoKhi0	masses of Joe Sixpack*	22:23
PsynoKhi0	hmm does Canonical still aims at hitting big on the consumer desktop/handled market?	22:25
PsynoKhi0	aim*	22:25
spikeb	with all the ranting about user experience, I would guess yes.	22:26
PsynoKhi0	are Ubuntu devices on the shelves of large consumer electronics retail store part of the equation?	22:28
PsynoKhi0	stores*	22:28
spikeb	I have no idea.	22:28
PsynoKhi0	ok... the reason I'm asking is a reference to how the first netbooks did quite hit big, I've never found much info as to WHY, MS was way too happy pulling out numbers on the return rate of Linux-based netbooks, though I suppose that no one ever bothered giving buyers a quick run-through of the device, Joe Sixpack went home, if he wasn't scared by the new UI he managed to somehow download an exe of his favorite program, which wouldn't	22:35
PsynoKhi0	run, end of the road - in other words: Joe Sixpack can't be bothered with hit-and-miss	22:35
PsynoKhi0	didn't quite hit big*	22:36
PsynoKhi0	literate indeed >.<	22:36
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lamalex	tedg, are you around?	22:45
htorque	jcastro, sorry, was busy - no, haven't seen compiz crash in a while now	23:18
PsynoKhi0	compiz crashed for me, running natty alpha 2 LiveCD, radeon HD4670... I was trying to alt-tab to bring a terminal window to the foreground (it was hidden beinh fullscreen FF4)	23:27
PsynoKhi0	though that might have been solved in daily builds :)	23:27
lamalex	DBO, are you still here?	23:51

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