| DarkwingDuck | ryanakca: Do you have an email address for ofirk? | 00:39 |
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| dantti | hi, the debian new maintaners guide says to be carefull when using postinst files, is there any other file that I could use to run my db maintainance after all is installed? | 05:33 |
| persia | dantti, You want to run something *after* you finish installing the package? The postinst is the correct place to do that. Just be careful. | 05:37 |
| persia | Key things to be careful about: you need to be able to run it over and over and over again, never crashing and never bothering the user. | 05:38 |
| persia | For anything you do, you should have a plan to undo it, in case you ever need to transition to a different way of doing things. | 05:38 |
| persia | And if the user makes changes to the system, you need to respect those changes, and not overwrite them the next time the package is upgraded. | 05:39 |
| dantti | persia: right, thanks.. | 05:40 |
| bambee | hey | 08:20 |
| Riddell | morning | 08:23 |
| agateau | ScottK: you need appmenu-gtk for gtk apps to show in the widget | 08:30 |
| agateau | ScottK: maybe it could be added as a depends or recommends of plasma-widget-menubar? | 08:31 |
| bambee | A draft: http://imageupload.org/?di=15129741725412 (the default mode is "select", it's just a example) | 09:48 |
| bambee | (don't worry, it's not finished yet) | 09:48 |
| Riddell | bambee: one obvious problem is that language-selector (qt, not gtk) has three UI modes, which is hard to put into kcontrol modules | 09:52 |
| Riddell | bug 716311 | 09:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 716311 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "flash not installed" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716311 | 09:55 |
| Riddell | why might kpackagekit not be installing flash? | 09:56 |
| valorie | is this a new bug? | 09:57 |
| valorie | I've been noticing for the last 24+ hours, that flash no longer works | 09:57 |
| valorie | although it's reported to be installed | 09:57 |
| Riddell | there was an update 40 hours ago in security | 09:57 |
| valorie | that would be it, then | 09:57 |
| bambee | mhhh I could uses tabs... however I've to modify QtLanguageSelector for that... | 09:58 |
| valorie | html5 didn't work either | 09:58 |
| bambee | use * | 09:58 |
| Riddell | bambee: that would work yes | 09:59 |
| bambee | for example: first tab "install/uninstall" , second tab "select" | 09:59 |
| valorie | interesting bug report | 09:59 |
| Riddell | bambee: well as it stands it would need to be 1) install 2) uninstall 3) select | 10:00 |
| Quintasan|Droid | Riddell: ping | 10:02 |
| Riddell | hi Quintasan|Droid | 10:03 |
| Quintasan|Droid | Riddell: Hiho, I want to push out Project Neon after the meeting, can you make some sort of blog post magic on Planet KDE? | 10:03 |
| bambee | Riddell: I agree, but install and uninstall modes have exactly the same GUI (except a pushbutton label) | 10:04 |
| bambee | that's why I proposed to put them together in the same tab :) | 10:04 |
| Quintasan|Droid | bambee: are you up for Telepathy stuff any soon? | 10:05 |
| Quintasan|Droid | I think guys over there are about to make real GUI for it | 10:05 |
| Riddell | Quintasan|Droid: he's busy with lanugage-selector just now | 10:07 |
| Riddell | bambee: same GUI but showing different things (one shows languages installed, one shows languages available for install) | 10:07 |
| Quintasan|Droid | Riddell: oh, that's good anyways | 10:07 |
| Riddell | Quintasan|Droid: late this evening? I think having a dot story would be good, valorie was going to work on that | 10:08 |
| Riddell | although it probably needs other dot editors to agree, Nightrose what do you think of a dot story for project neon? | 10:08 |
| valorie | I will write one if everything is ready to go | 10:08 |
| valorie | or help with one if that's preferable | 10:08 |
| bambee | Quintasan|Droid: yes I'm | 10:09 |
| Quintasan|Droid | valorie: it is ready to go, it wont be stable at any point in its life so :P | 10:09 |
| valorie | IF techbase is up to date so I can consult it' | 10:09 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: no objection from my side but i'm not unbiased ;-) | 10:09 |
| bambee | Riddell: indeed | 10:09 |
| valorie | right, I'm talking about the fluff around it, like documentation, nice image, etc. | 10:10 |
| Quintasan|Droid | valorie: techbase page was updated by yofel | 10:10 |
| Quintasan|Droid | valorie: I can provide screenshots once I get home | 10:10 |
| valorie | or are you re-using the old Project Neon graphic? | 10:10 |
| Quintasan|Droid | We will get new one from sheytan at some point | 10:10 |
| valorie | for a dot story it's nice to have a snazzy graphic | 10:10 |
| bambee | Quintasan|Droid: After language-selector yes | 10:11 |
| Quintasan|Droid | bambee: Great! | 10:11 |
| bambee | and I've to help shadeslayer too :) | 10:11 |
| Quintasan|Droid | :O | 10:12 |
| valorie | cool, I'll start on the article before I go to bed | 10:12 |
| Quintasan|Droid | valorie: thanks, I will get some screenshots once I finish school and poke sheytan for art | 10:13 |
| * Quintasan|Droid will polish up his blog post too | 10:13 | |
| valorie | okey-doke | 10:13 |
| Quintasan|Droid | We need re-dent festival too :) | 10:13 |
| valorie | the techbase page still has the under construction tag on it | 10:28 |
| yofel | I know, I'll remove that later, haven't tested if the translations instructions work | 10:29 |
| valorie | okey-doke | 10:29 |
| yofel | everything else is updated | 10:29 |
| valorie | cool | 10:29 |
| nigelb | gah, I keep missing Quintasan :| | 10:52 |
| nigelb | can someone tell him I'm looking for him? :) | 10:52 |
| valorie | anybody have quintasan's email? | 11:11 |
| valorie | googledocs ate my article, so I re-wrote and will send it to him and shadeslayer | 11:11 |
| Riddell | valorie: it did? googledocs is usually pretty good with undo and revision control | 11:14 |
| Riddell | valorie: I can't recreate this flash issue in maverick, you just did a general upgrade with kpackagekit and it stopped working? | 11:15 |
| valorie | yes, but I think the bug workaround fixed it | 11:16 |
| valorie | let me try a youtube | 11:16 |
| Riddell | valorie: bug workaround being to use apt-get? | 11:16 |
| valorie | yes | 11:17 |
| valorie | no, it didn't work | 11:17 |
| valorie | it says it has to install plugins, looks | 11:17 |
| valorie | I say fine, then it reports that it is already installed | 11:17 |
| valorie | rinse, repeat | 11:17 |
| valorie | no youtube in FF | 11:18 |
| valorie | this is Mav, yes, with KDE 4.6 | 11:18 |
| nigelb | Quintasan_: hi | 11:19 |
| valorie | Quintasan: email sent to you, and now I'm off to bed | 11:19 |
| nigelb | darn | 11:19 |
| valorie | piffle | 11:19 |
| valorie | lol | 11:19 |
| valorie | still going to bed! | 11:19 |
| nigelb | hehe | 11:20 |
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| dpm | hey all, I'm trying to add some very simple test cases to check language packs are fine before we release updates. Could someone give me a hand by filling the "Kubuntu" section under "Packages to test"? | 11:50 |
| dpm | they can just be equivalent to the Ubuntu ones, but with the Kubuntu apps | 11:51 |
| Riddell | dpm: can do, where's that? | 11:51 |
| dpm | Riddell, sorry, forgot the most important part, here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA | 11:52 |
| dpm | thanks | 11:52 |
| ScottK | agateau: It looks like appmenu-gtk pulls in a pretty heavy set of depends for us: http://paste.ubuntu.com/565810/ - Could you speak with your compatriots and see if that's all really necessary? | 11:58 |
| ScottK | (I'm pretty sure we don't have room for all that) | 11:58 |
| Riddell | dpm: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA#Kubuntu | 12:01 |
| dpm | Riddell, excellent, thanks! | 12:03 |
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| Riddell | hi rbelem | 12:36 |
| rbelem | hi Riddell | 12:44 |
| rbelem | :) | 12:44 |
| rbelem | are there open positions on canonical? :) | 12:45 |
| rbelem | :D | 12:46 |
| Riddell | I've heard the suggestion that Canonical should just buy Qt.. | 12:50 |
| tazz | roflol | 12:51 |
| tazz | Riddell, i bet it would be on a discount, now that nokia has decided to join hands with microsoft. | 12:53 |
| shadeslayer | <Riddell> I've heard the suggestion that Canonical should just buy Qt.. | 12:57 |
| shadeslayer | ROFLMAO | 12:57 |
| shadeslayer | tazz: true dat | 12:57 |
| shadeslayer | valorie: google docs ate your article? i thought it was well fed by Google so as not to eat stuff | 12:57 |
| Riddell | dantti: any thoughts on bug 716311 ? seems like packagekitd is corrupting the postinst script randomly | 12:58 |
| shadeslayer | too bad Nokia is going for WP7 shit | 12:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 716311 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "flash not installed" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716311 | 12:58 |
| shadeslayer | no Qt on Windodws doesn't help either | 13:03 |
| shadeslayer | *Windows | 13:03 |
| shadeslayer | good grief ... i spelled windows wrong .... FOSS has consumed me | 13:03 |
| rbelem | Riddell, that would be awesome | 13:06 |
| ejat | :) | 13:06 |
| dantti | Riddell: I thought it was fixed by colin, no? | 13:21 |
| yofel | bug 680328 is marked as fixed | 13:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 680328 in qapt (Ubuntu Natty) "Many postinst scripts fail using either PackageKit, or QApt" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680328 | 13:21 |
| Riddell | dantti: hmm, but not fixed in maverick? | 13:31 |
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| dantti | Riddell: hmm I don't think so, sorry for being away these time, next week I'll be living abroad and I'm rushing to deploy an application that I developed... | 13:38 |
| Riddell | dantti: ok but this flash upgrade bug is probably caused by bug 680328 and we should backport that fix? | 13:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 680328 in qapt (Ubuntu Natty) "Many postinst scripts fail using either PackageKit, or QApt" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680328 | 13:41 |
| dantti | Riddell: yes, I think it would be a good idea to backport since as Colin said he does not know how this worked on maverick :P | 13:42 |
| Riddell | thanks dantti, good luck deploying and moving | 13:43 |
| dantti | Riddell: thanks :) | 13:43 |
| dantti | Riddell: btw I'm deploying kubuntu togheter :P | 13:57 |
| Riddell | dantti: oh? what sort of deployment? | 13:58 |
| dantti | Riddell: it's a qt app that I did I can run on windows, but the advantes of linux made the client chose for linux of course :P | 13:59 |
| dantti | *it | 13:59 |
| dantti | my biggest problem are lowmem pcs and small screen 800x660 :P | 14:00 |
| dantti | not counting they are monochromatic | 14:00 |
| shadeslayer | where is sheytan when we need him the most | 14:04 |
| shadeslayer | valorie: can we haz some fame? possibly mention our names in the article? :P | 14:13 |
| shadeslayer | apart from that we don't have a banner yet .... | 14:16 |
| shadeslayer | everything else looks fine | 14:16 |
| shadeslayer | ( maybe mention the issue's one might face after installing Neon ) | 14:17 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: valorie is asleep, I think if you want the article you should edit as you wish then submit to the dot | 14:30 |
| shadeslayer | ah ok | 14:30 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: btw we are still working on a banner ^_^ | 14:30 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: going to become a website editor? | 14:54 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: fixing bug 712880 means finding the drupal theme bzr branch, editing that then getting sysadmin to merge | 14:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 712880 in Kubuntu Website "False claims on kubuntu.org/feature-tour webpage" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712880 | 14:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | Yeah... | 14:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | I figured as much. | 14:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: Ofirk had emailed me around the first of the year asking if I would be willing to help out a bit. I have about 15 years of web dev | 14:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: that system to get sometihng working seems a bit... silly. | 14:58 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: I don't know why the theme was made that way (with content directly in the theme instead of in drupal content) but that's what we're stuck with until ofirk/sheytan's new design appears | 14:59 |
| Riddell | and since ofir seems generally very annoyed with our sysadmins for being unresponsive that may never happen | 15:00 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: That made my head hurt. I don't know why we don't just write in a drupal module that will authenticate users with openID via launchpad... | 15:02 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: well for news we do use drupal content but for some reason ofir made the theme with some pages directly in the theme | 15:11 |
| Riddell | I expect it's fixable to anyone who knows anything about drupal and theme | 15:11 |
| Riddell | themes | 15:11 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: I have a few years expirence working with drupal. I'll email ofir and see what all I can help with after I'm finished pluggin gout docs. | 15:13 |
| DarkwingDuck | *Plugging out | 15:13 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: at a guess he'd probably want the new theme finished rather than the current one updated | 15:14 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: while I agree that a new theme would be nice, having a way to add/maintain content would be really nice too | 15:17 |
| DarkwingDuck | Hey NCommander long time no see | 15:18 |
| NCommander | huh? | 15:19 |
| NCommander | 10:20:06 -!- NCommander [~mcasadeva@184.154.102.89] has joined #kubuntu-devel | 15:19 |
| NCommander | ... | 15:19 |
| DarkwingDuck | I have not seen you around in a while. | 15:19 |
| NCommander | but I didn't go anywhere ... | 15:19 |
| NCommander | I've just been idealling mostly | 15:20 |
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| NCommander | ARGH | 15:20 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: yes | 15:20 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: and I know that there is a way to log into Drupal via OpenID. | 15:22 |
| DarkwingDuck | What just happened? | 15:22 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: I don't think OpenID has anything to do with it | 15:22 |
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| Riddell | we have a way to log in to the website and add content, it's the theme that is the problem | 15:23 |
| Riddell | freenode decided to split, it's doing a partnership with Microsoft I expect | 15:23 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: Do you know what the issues with the theme is? | 15:23 |
| DarkwingDuck | hehehe | 15:23 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: that the theme hardcodes content for a page rather than showing what the normal drupal content for the page should be | 15:24 |
| DarkwingDuck | ahhhhhhhh | 15:24 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: with the admin functions to add content do you also have the other admin access for drupal? | 15:25 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: yes | 15:26 |
| Riddell | I can give you the access details if you want | 15:27 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: I think the theme is at https://code.launchpad.net/~klinger-ofir/kubuntu-website-staging/release-1.0 | 15:27 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: That would be nice. This way I can see backdoor what is happening with the theme | 15:27 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: was there wa scheduled outage for Kubuntu.org servers? | 15:40 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: no, why? | 15:40 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: I'm running ito loads of timeouts and connection errors | 15:40 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: btw i see no Copy Image in rekonq source code, just Copy image location in src/webview.cpp | 15:41 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. | 15:41 |
| shadeslayer | but during runtime it's there | 15:41 |
| shadeslayer | DarkwingDuck: wiki? | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | i have that as well | 15:42 |
| DarkwingDuck | all pf kubuntu.org | 15:42 |
| DarkwingDuck | s/pf/of | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | same thing here | 15:42 |
| * DarkwingDuck grumbles | 15:53 | |
| Daskreech | DarkwingDuck doesn't grumble. He get the job clumsily done! | 16:01 |
| DarkwingDuck | hehehe | 16:02 |
| bambee | Someone uses kmess , or I'm just the only one ? :P | 16:05 |
| * bambee hides | 16:05 | |
| bambee | kmess-2.0.4 in universe has a strange bug: disconnect from the server just after login | 16:06 |
| bambee | see http://kmess.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4585&start=30 | 16:06 |
| bambee | then http://gitorious.org/kmess/kmess/commit/dcfbfdae846f9103fd7bd3acffec70ab729898bc | 16:06 |
| Riddell | bambee: if that patch fixes it then it would be good to have in natty and as a stable release update | 16:07 |
| bambee | indeed | 16:08 |
| bambee | it works for 2.0.5, I'll test with 2.0.4 | 16:09 |
| bambee | (just in case) | 16:09 |
| Riddell | bambee: if there's a 2.0.5 out it would be good to have that packaged too | 16:10 |
| bambee | in this case package the lastest stable release which is 2.0.6 :) | 16:10 |
| Riddell | even better | 16:11 |
| bambee | ;) | 16:11 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I see from the release menu that we'll have LibreOffice globalmenu support soon. That makes me think even more we need to ship appmenu-gtk since it's part of our default package selection. | 16:48 |
| ScottK | agateau: ^^^ | 16:48 |
| agateau | ScottK: makes sense | 16:48 |
| ScottK | agateau: Did you see my ping earlier about all the depends it pulls in? | 16:48 |
| DarkwingDuck | I wonder if this will trickle down and hurt... http://goo.gl/9xhou | 16:49 |
| agateau | ScottK: yes, but I just had a look at the list, and I don't think anything can be removed: libc6 (>= 2.2.5), libdbusmenu-glib3, libdbusmenu-gtk3, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.26.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.21.2-0ubuntu6) | 16:49 |
| agateau | ScottK: what do you think can be dropped from there? | 16:49 |
| ScottK | agateau: There's atk getting pulled in somehow. | 16:49 |
| ScottK | http://paste.ubuntu.com/565810/ | 16:50 |
| agateau | ScottK: maybe libgtk depends on it? | 16:50 |
| ScottK | Maybe. | 16:50 |
| ScottK | It just seemed like a lot for appmenu-gtk to need. | 16:50 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Mind if I go ahead and seed it? | 16:50 |
| Riddell | ScottK: have you worked out what it brings in? | 16:51 |
| agateau | ScottK: yes, libgtk depends on libatk | 16:51 |
| Riddell | and how much space that takes? | 16:51 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Soo my pastebin. | 16:51 |
| ScottK | It's ~4MB compressed in .debs | 16:51 |
| Riddell | yuck | 16:51 |
| ScottK | So I'd guess about that in squashfs | 16:51 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I'd seed it !powerpc so it'd all fit. | 16:53 |
| Riddell | I'd rather not lose a language for the sake of a rare usecase with a foreign toolkit | 16:54 |
| debfx | libgtk2.0-0 is already on the cd | 16:55 |
| Riddell | but these aren't http://paste.ubuntu.com/565810/ | 16:55 |
| Riddell | I'd actually prefer to use kubuntu-notification-helper to prompt for it if the menu plasma widget is being used | 16:55 |
| debfx | they are | 16:55 |
| debfx | except the dbusmenu packages | 16:56 |
| Riddell | let me fire up a virtualbox and check | 16:56 |
| Riddell | http://paste.kde.org/4526/ that's more like it | 17:06 |
| Riddell | ScottK: so aye, I guess you can add it, but as ever I consider gtk on the CD to be a bug so any chance I get I'll remove it again :) | 17:07 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 17:08 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I ~agree about gtk on the CD, OTOH I also think a user having to know what language an application is written in to get it to work right is even more of a bug. | 17:12 |
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| bambee | Riddell: btw I bumped kmess on my desktop, it works just fine :) | 17:35 |
| bambee | no changes in dependencies are required (diff -u oldCmakelist.txt newCmakelist.txt > empty) | 17:35 |
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| ScottK | debfx: When are we meeting to interview you? | 18:49 |
| debfx | ScottK: 22:00 UTC | 19:03 |
| ScottK | Ah. So I'm -0500, so I doubt I'll be around. | 19:03 |
| maco | agateau: http://notalwaysright.com/giving-the-french-stick/10042 | 19:16 |
| DarkwingDuck | Do we have any good kubuntu/KDE presentations built? | 19:52 |
| ryanakca | DarkwingDuck: PS: the kubuntu-website team is pretty much defunct, as for ofir's email, you should be able to find it on his LP page. | 20:00 |
| DarkwingDuck | ryanakca: I had dug it up... I have been playing with drupal and themeing for a few years now so maybe after the Doc push I can sit back and play with the site and help where I can., | 20:02 |
| ryanakca | As for Kubuntu presentations, yes; good, no. I don't know if its still on the live CD but we used to have a "what is Kubuntu?" slideshow in the example content | 20:04 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'm doing a talk about Kubuntu and KDE at SCALE's Ubucon at the end of the month. | 20:07 |
| DarkwingDuck | So I'm just looking for something to modify as I am not so great generating content. | 20:10 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: ping | 20:26 |
| shadeslayer | DarkwingDuck: afaik apachelogger had some on his blog | 20:33 |
| DarkwingDuck | Yeah, I was digging that. | 20:34 |
| DarkwingDuck | We killed HAL in 11.04 correct? | 20:34 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 20:34 |
| shadeslayer | is gitorious down ? @_@ | 20:34 |
| DarkwingDuck | What replaced HAL? | 20:35 |
| * DarkwingDuck needs to go through months of notes | 20:35 | |
| maco | DarkwingDuck: pure udev | 20:42 |
| DarkwingDuck | maco: aye, I found my notes. | 20:44 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'll upload and populate this presentation when I'm finished writing it. | 20:44 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan_: dude | 21:10 |
| shadeslayer | around? | 21:10 |
| sheytan_ | shadeslayer yep :) | 21:11 |
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| shadeslayer | sheytan: we need a banner for PN | 21:11 |
| sheytan | size? | 21:11 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: it needs to go on dot.kde.org | 21:12 |
| shadeslayer | so it's up to you :) | 21:12 |
| sheytan | shadeslayer give me 5 minutes ;) | 21:13 |
| shadeslayer | sure :) | 21:13 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: something blue please :P | 21:15 |
| shadeslayer | i'll bbiab | 21:15 |
| ScottK | and fluffy. | 21:15 |
| ScottK | apachelogger would want it to be fluffy. | 21:15 |
| shadeslayer | wait .. Fluffy Neon | 21:15 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 21:15 |
| sheytan | shadeslayer will not be blue :P | 21:15 |
| sheytan | blue is every where | 21:15 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 21:16 |
| sheytan | i'm tired of blue :D | 21:16 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ok so it works fine | 21:23 |
| shadeslayer | my patch | 21:23 |
| shadeslayer | i don't see what's wrong with it | 21:23 |
| shadeslayer | ooh | 21:23 |
| sheytan | shadeslayer http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2591/pnbanner.png | 21:23 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: the download dialog comes up 2 times | 21:23 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: put everyday at the end | 21:24 |
| shadeslayer | something new everyday | 21:24 |
| shadeslayer | and make it glow more :P | 21:24 |
| sheytan | glow more no | 21:27 |
| sheytan | to much glow is bad :D | 21:27 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 21:27 |
| sheytan | http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/9782/pnbanner3.png | 21:27 |
| bambee | nice :D | 21:28 |
| sheytan | thanks ;) | 21:28 |
| bambee | ;) | 21:29 |
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| shadeslayer | night all | 21:37 |
| bambee | night | 21:38 |
| Riddell | bambee: yo | 21:38 |
| Riddell | do you have the new kmess package for us to upload? | 21:38 |
| bambee | yup | 21:39 |
| Riddell | bambee: where can I get it? | 21:39 |
| bambee | It builds and works just fine here | 21:39 |
| bambee | Riddell: I'll send you an email , ok ? | 21:40 |
| Riddell | bambee: hmm, I'm not a fan or large e-mail attachments | 21:40 |
| Riddell | bambee: better to file a bug and attach to that on launchpad | 21:41 |
| Riddell | s/or/of/ | 21:41 |
| kubotu | Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" | 21:41 |
| bambee | ok | 21:41 |
| Riddell | or upload to revu | 21:41 |
| bambee | Riddell: revu is a good idea | 21:41 |
| Riddell | do you have access? I'm not sure what you need to do to get upload access to revu these days | 21:42 |
| Riddell | reminds me, review needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/owncloud | 21:42 |
| * Riddell eyes up maco | 21:42 | |
| Riddell | in a view to getting her to review it, not a harassment sort of way | 21:42 |
| maco | hahaha | 21:43 |
| maco | im at work deary | 21:43 |
| bambee | Riddell: I've (I'm registered and I can upload using dput ) | 21:43 |
| Riddell | bambee: groovy, go for it | 21:43 |
| maco | i'll take a look at home | 21:43 |
| bambee | as I said no dependencies changes are required, I just refreshed the patch and the changelog | 21:44 |
| bambee | Riddell: done | 21:47 |
| bambee | (i.e uploaded) | 21:47 |
| sheytan | shadeslayer tell when when the article will be up ;) | 21:57 |
| bambee | shadeslayer: me too please ;) | 21:58 |
| yofel | where's the meeting? | 22:00 |
| Riddell | hi | 22:01 |
| Riddell | let's meet here | 22:01 |
| Riddell | debfx: ping | 22:01 |
| debfx | Riddell: pong | 22:01 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: JontheEchidna Quintasan nixternal ScottK kubuntu-dev ping | 22:01 |
| JontheEchidna | pong | 22:02 |
| Riddell | groovy, two of us | 22:02 |
| * DarkwingDuck grins | 22:02 | |
| Riddell | well debfx, could you introduce yourself and tell us why you want to be in kubuntu-dev? | 22:02 |
| sheytan | Riddell may i join as kubuntu-member too? :D | 22:03 |
| Quintasan | pong | 22:04 |
| * Quintasan is late a big | 22:04 | |
| Riddell | sheytan: yes, but this is a kubuntu-dev meeting which is a slightly different group than kubuntu-member | 22:04 |
| debfx | I'm Felix, 22 years old and studying computer science | 22:04 |
| debfx | I'd like to become a kubuntu-dev to help make Kubuntu better and not constantly bother sponsors to upload my packages ;) | 22:05 |
| Riddell | debfx: are you in MOTU or another dev group? | 22:05 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: your turn to do a grilling :) | 22:05 |
| debfx | yes, I'm a MOTU | 22:05 |
| Quintasan | I can't miss that :D | 22:06 |
| nigelb | Quintasan: ping | 22:06 |
| Quintasan | pong | 22:06 |
| nigelb | darn, lets take to PM | 22:06 |
| Riddell | debfx: do you know what the difference in responsibility is between MOTU and kubuntu-dev? | 22:06 |
| debfx | Riddell: universe consist mostly of unseeded packages so screwing up there doesn't affect that many users | 22:08 |
| Riddell | yep :) | 22:08 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna, Quintasan: think of taxing questions for debfx | 22:09 |
| Riddell | debfx: what's is a watch file good for? | 22:09 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Sorry, multipe people at once want something from me :P | 22:09 |
| debfx | Riddell: to easily check for new upstream versions | 22:09 |
| Quintasan | debfx: What are post and pre inst and rm scripts used for? | 22:09 |
| Riddell | debfx: how does a watch file reveal a new upsteam version? | 22:09 |
| * Riddell does actually know the answer to this question | 22:10 | |
| debfx | Quintasan: to run code before the package is installed/removed | 22:11 |
| debfx | Riddell: uscan parses the watch file, does a http/ftp request and evaluates a regex | 22:12 |
| Riddell | so we run uscan manually? is that easier than just checking the upstream website? why don't we do that automatically? | 22:12 |
| Riddell | debfx: how did you learn packaging? | 22:13 |
| debfx | we have a website that runs it automatically | 22:14 |
| Riddell | we do? | 22:14 |
| debfx | yes, UEHS | 22:14 |
| debfx | http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/uehs/ | 22:14 |
| JontheEchidna | I have a question, I'll wait to ask until other questions have been answered though | 22:14 |
| Quintasan | debfx: How do we deal with packages that overwrite files which are already in different packages? | 22:15 |
| debfx | Riddell: mostly learning by doing, looking at other packages and reading some documentation | 22:15 |
| Riddell | ooh that's interesting, that really needs to be publicised better | 22:15 |
| debfx | unfortunately UEHS doesn't allow to subscribe to a package (like in Debian) | 22:16 |
| Quintasan | yeah, news to me as well | 22:16 |
| Quintasan | debfx++ | 22:16 |
| * JontheEchidna knew about it <.< | 22:16 | |
| JontheEchidna | qa.ubuntuwire.org is a neat website | 22:16 |
| JontheEchidna | uhes aside | 22:16 |
| debfx | Quintasan: we add a Breaks and Replaces on the package that takes over the file | 22:17 |
| JontheEchidna | Is this a valid rules file for the latest version of debhelper? http://paste.ubuntu.com/566077/ | 22:17 |
| debfx | JontheEchidna: no, $@ needs to be the first parameter | 22:17 |
| JontheEchidna | yup | 22:17 |
| Quintasan | I was waiting for that :D | 22:17 |
| Quintasan | debfx: one more from me, why do we have *.symbols file and what they do? | 22:18 |
| debfx | Quintasan: so we know when a symbol was dropped (without an SONAME bump) and to allow packages using the library to depend on the minimal version it needs | 22:20 |
| Quintasan | no more stuff from me :) | 22:20 |
| debfx | Quintasan: they list all symbols in the library and the version in which the symbols appeared first | 22:20 |
| Riddell | debfx: feature freeze happens in a couple of weeks, can we upload new upstream versions after that? | 22:20 |
| Quintasan | debfx: PROTIP: beware of apacheloggers questions :P | 22:20 |
| debfx | Riddell: yes, if they are bugfix only versions | 22:21 |
| debfx | or if we have a good reason and a freeze exception | 22:22 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna, Quintasan: any other questions? | 22:23 |
| JontheEchidna | nope | 22:23 |
| debfx | Quintasan: so we need to close the meeting before he appears ;) | 22:23 |
| Quintasan | debfx: He will get you on ML later so no worries :P | 22:23 |
| JontheEchidna | I've been sponsoring debfx's packages for quite a while and have no worries | 22:23 |
| Quintasan | nope | 22:23 |
| Riddell | I'm +1 for knowing lots about packaging and doing a variety of useful things | 22:23 |
| Quintasan | I haven't been sponsoring any stuff maybe because I just joined but I saw quality stuff from him | 22:23 |
| Quintasan | so, +1 | 22:24 |
| Riddell | I can also reveal that ScottK gave a +1 without grilling him at all | 22:24 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: so that's a +1? | 22:24 |
| JontheEchidna | yup | 22:24 |
| Riddell | lovely, I think that's a majority of active kubuntu-dev so welcome in debfx | 22:25 |
| debfx | thanks :D | 22:25 |
| Riddell | debfx: might you come to UDS? | 22:25 |
| debfx | Riddell: yes, I'll probably apply for sponsorship | 22:27 |
| Quintasan | kubotu: order cookies for debfx | 22:27 |
| * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to debfx. | 22:27 | |
| * Quintasan shoots confetti at debfx | 22:27 | |
| Quintasan | \o/ | 22:27 |
| Quintasan | yofel, sheytan, shadeslayer, valorie: ping | 22:28 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Friendliest Community on Earth | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | alpha 3 bugs http://goo.gl/yGhJd | debfx gains kubuntu-dev black belt | ||
| valorie | pong | 22:28 |
| valorie | congratulations, debfx | 22:29 |
| Quintasan | valorie: I took the liberty and edited you post a little bit, it wasn't published yet, was it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/566090/ | 22:29 |
| Quintasan | valorie: Hope you do not mind :) | 22:29 |
| valorie | no, it was a first draft | 22:30 |
| * bambee offers a beer to debfx for its new rank | 22:30 | |
| bambee | ;) | 22:30 |
| Riddell | has the neon story been submitted to the dot? | 22:30 |
| Quintasan | Not yet | 22:30 |
| Quintasan | I want to start the revolution now :) | 22:30 |
| Quintasan | yofel: I tried stuff today | 22:31 |
| valorie | well, we are sort of waiting on artwork | 22:31 |
| valorie | the old artwork is really good | 22:31 |
| Quintasan | sheytan went off to somewhere | 22:31 |
| valorie | but it doesn't seem cool to reuse it | 22:31 |
| yofel | pong | 22:31 |
| valorie | his first drafts of artwork don't look very good to me, sadly | 22:31 |
| Riddell | hmm, well sheytan just went offline so probably no artwork tonight | 22:31 |
| Quintasan | valorie: I have one or two screen shots | 22:32 |
| Quintasan | the problem is, my kvm somehow makes the blue wallpaper look orange | 22:32 |
| yofel | it did the same for me for something else once - dunno why | 22:33 |
| Quintasan | yofel: our packages seem to be working fine | 22:33 |
| Quintasan | except being unstable all the time :P | 22:33 |
| yofel | yeah, most of them work fine | 22:33 |
| valorie | Quintasan: upload them somewhere? | 22:34 |
| Quintasan | moment | 22:34 |
| Quintasan | valorie: it's two at the moment but tell me what else we can show so I will grab them right aways | 22:36 |
| Quintasan | http://i.imgur.com/SnxSW.png | 22:36 |
| Quintasan | sorry for low resolution, my kvm seems incapable of pulling something bigger off | 22:37 |
| Quintasan | yofel, valorie: so the only stuff we are waiting for is artwork? | 22:37 |
| Quintasan | http://i.imgur.com/2nu8q.jpg | 22:38 |
| Riddell | bambee: your kmess package includes kmess-2.0.6/debian//patches/debian-changes-2.0.6-0ubuntu1 | 22:38 |
| Riddell | automatically made patches usually arn't ment to be there | 22:38 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: I will also be giving talks about daily builds on UDW | 22:38 |
| valorie | Quintasan: I'm not sure screenshots will help in the article | 22:39 |
| Quintasan | yofel, shadeslayer: ^ hope you can show up in case I start spewing some random nosense | 22:39 |
| yofel | pretty much, there isn't anything easy fixable left and the techbase page is done | 22:39 |
| valorie | maybe upload those to the wiki? | 22:39 |
| bambee | I just used debuild , but I probably missed something... | 22:39 |
| Quintasan | valorie: good point | 22:39 |
| valorie | and we can include a link in the article | 22:39 |
| valorie | you have such a nice background image it would be a shame to waste them | 22:39 |
| valorie | :-) | 22:40 |
| Riddell | bambee: it means you changed something in the upstream package CMakeLists.txt in this case | 22:40 |
| Riddell | +-#SET( CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE debugfull ) | 22:40 |
| Riddell | ++SET( CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE debugfull ) | 22:40 |
| Riddell | bambee: does that look like something you want changed? | 22:40 |
| Quintasan | valorie: That's the included stuff :O | 22:40 |
| Riddell | bambee: it's also the reverse of debian//patches/01_no_debugfull_build.diff so your package did something wrong with it's patches | 22:40 |
| bambee | probably, I'll fix it | 22:41 |
| Riddell | bambee: do you know how to use quilt? | 22:41 |
| yofel | Quintasan: are you going to put anything else on the kubuntu wiki? | 22:41 |
| Quintasan | let me edit it first and then tell you | 22:42 |
| bambee | Riddell: usually I use git or diff so nop | 22:42 |
| Riddell | bambee: quilt manages the patches in a package | 22:42 |
| Riddell | export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches | 22:42 |
| Riddell | then use quilt push and quilt pop to make sure the patches are actually applied or not | 22:42 |
| Quintasan | yofel: any idea how do I insert images in Wiki? | 22:43 |
| bambee | Riddell: ok | 22:43 |
| yofel | Quintasan: err, upload as attachment and then use the attachment syntax | 22:43 |
| yofel | (I think) | 22:43 |
| Quintasan | oh damn | 22:43 |
| Quintasan | I totally forgot | 22:43 |
| Quintasan | Y U 400 ON ME WIKI? | 22:45 |
| Quintasan | yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon | 22:46 |
| Quintasan | looks horrible | 22:46 |
| Quintasan | needs image resizing from me | 22:46 |
| Quintasan | and, well, some sort of introduction but I can get this done on Monday as well | 22:47 |
| yofel | eeek yeah | 22:47 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: tsk, use wiki.kubuntu.org | 22:47 |
| yofel | Quintasan: copy the one from techbase maybe | 22:47 |
| Quintasan | copypasta? not my style | 22:47 |
| Quintasan | but for now if will be sufficient | 22:47 |
| yofel | ^^ | 22:47 |
| Quintasan | yofel: nothing more from me as for now | 22:50 |
| valorie | Quintasan: you should have your wiki page with the rest of the wiki pages | 22:50 |
| Quintasan | urgh, what? | 22:50 |
| yofel | k, from me neither - most things work fine, so release it :) | 22:51 |
| valorie | oh, you do, ok | 22:51 |
| valorie | wth, wiki | 22:52 |
| valorie | slower than molasses | 22:52 |
| valorie | 500 internal error, so helpful | 23:00 |
| * yofel is off - good night | 23:01 | |
| bambee | http://pastebin.com/9ZNduEjy o_O | 23:04 |
| bambee | wtf ? | 23:04 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Reviewed owncloud (comments on REVU). | 23:05 |
| bambee | I followed these steps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Updating an Ubuntu Package | 23:05 |
| Riddell | bambee: I think quilt has got confused | 23:15 |
| Riddell | it's not uncommon | 23:15 |
| Riddell | I can fix it in a bit | 23:15 |
| bambee | confused about what ? | 23:16 |
| Riddell | bambee: confused about what patches are applied or not | 23:22 |
| bambee | arf | 23:24 |
| Riddell | bambee: do you want me to show you or shall I just sort it? | 23:27 |
| bambee | show me please | 23:28 |
| Riddell | bambee: is your ssh key on launchpad? what's your account? | 23:31 |
| bambee | my lp id is bambi | 23:31 |
| bambee | and yes my ssh is on launchpad | 23:31 |
| Riddell | bambee: ssh ubuntu@ec2-184-73-87-171.compute-1.amazonaws.com | 23:32 |
| Riddell | screen -x | 23:33 |
| bambee | done | 23:34 |
| Riddell | bambee: can you see me installing stuff? | 23:34 |
| bambee | yes | 23:35 |
| bambee | it rocks :D | 23:35 |
| Riddell | bambee: ok so we have this package and it has two patches | 23:36 |
| Riddell | 01_no_debugfull_build.diff debian-changes-2.0.6-0ubuntu1 | 23:36 |
| Riddell | the second patch just undoes the first one | 23:37 |
| Riddell | we want to get rid of the second one | 23:37 |
| Riddell | so first we need to unapply it | 23:37 |
| Riddell | bambee: run quilt pop in the screen session | 23:37 |
| Riddell | bambee: ok now edit debian/patches/series (with nano I guess) and remove the second patch | 23:38 |
| bambee | done | 23:38 |
| Riddell | bambee: groovy, now run debuild -S to make the source package | 23:38 |
| bambee | w00t... | 23:39 |
| Riddell | bah, you'll need to install cdbs and pkg-kde-tools | 23:39 |
| Riddell | once that's done check the debian.tar.gz to make sure no debian/patches/debianfoo patches have crept into it | 23:39 |
| Riddell | then you can scp the package files onto your local computer | 23:40 |
| Riddell | sign them with debsign *dsc | 23:40 |
| Riddell | sign them with debsign *changes actually | 23:40 |
| Riddell | then upload to revu | 23:40 |
| * Riddell out, good luck :) | 23:40 | |
| bambee | thanks :) | 23:40 |
| ScottK | debfx: Congratulations. | 23:41 |
| afiestas__ | Riddell: do you have time to test Kamoso on your "other pc" ? | 23:52 |
| afiestas__ | a recent master or 2.0 should be fine | 23:52 |
| bambee | updated on revu ;) | 23:57 |
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