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DarkwingDuckryanakca: Do you have an email address for ofirk?00:39
danttihi, the debian new maintaners guide says to be carefull when using postinst files, is there any other file that I could use to run my db maintainance after all is installed?05:33
persiadantti, You want to run something *after* you finish installing the package?  The postinst is the correct place to do that.  Just be careful.05:37
persiaKey things to be careful about: you need to be able to run it over and over and over again, never crashing and never bothering the user.05:38
persiaFor anything you do, you should have a plan to undo it, in case you ever need to transition to a different way of doing things.05:38
persiaAnd if the user makes changes to the system, you need to respect those changes, and not overwrite them the next time the package is upgraded.05:39
danttipersia: right, thanks..05:40
bambeehey08:20
Riddellmorning08:23
agateauScottK: you need appmenu-gtk for gtk apps to show in the widget08:30
agateauScottK: maybe it could be added as a depends or recommends of plasma-widget-menubar?08:31
bambeeA draft:  http://imageupload.org/?di=15129741725412 (the default mode is "select", it's just a example)09:48
bambee(don't worry, it's not finished yet)09:48
Riddellbambee: one obvious problem is that language-selector (qt, not gtk) has three UI modes, which is hard to put into kcontrol modules09:52
Riddellbug 71631109:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 716311 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "flash not installed" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71631109:55
Riddellwhy might kpackagekit not be installing flash?09:56
valorieis this a new bug?09:57
valorieI've been noticing for the last 24+ hours, that flash no longer works09:57
valoriealthough it's reported to be installed09:57
Riddellthere was an update 40 hours ago in security09:57
valoriethat would be it, then09:57
bambeemhhh I could uses tabs... however I've to modify QtLanguageSelector for that...09:58
valoriehtml5 didn't work either09:58
bambeeuse *09:58
Riddellbambee: that would work yes09:59
bambeefor example:  first tab  "install/uninstall" , second tab "select"  09:59
valorieinteresting bug report09:59
Riddellbambee: well as it stands it would need to be 1) install 2) uninstall 3) select10:00
Quintasan|DroidRiddell: ping10:02
Riddellhi Quintasan|Droid 10:03
Quintasan|DroidRiddell: Hiho, I want to push out Project Neon after the meeting, can you make some sort of blog post magic on Planet KDE?10:03
bambeeRiddell: I agree, but install and uninstall modes have exactly the same GUI (except a pushbutton label)10:04
bambeethat's why I proposed to put them together in the same tab :)10:04
Quintasan|Droidbambee: are you up for Telepathy stuff any soon?10:05
Quintasan|DroidI think guys over there are about to make real GUI for it10:05
RiddellQuintasan|Droid: he's busy with lanugage-selector just now10:07
Riddellbambee: same GUI but showing different things (one shows languages installed, one shows languages available for install)10:07
Quintasan|DroidRiddell: oh, that's good anyways10:07
RiddellQuintasan|Droid: late this evening?  I think having a dot story would be good, valorie was going to work on that10:08
Riddellalthough it probably needs other dot editors to agree, Nightrose what do you think of a dot story for project neon?10:08
valorieI will write one if everything is ready to go10:08
valorieor help with one if that's preferable10:08
bambeeQuintasan|Droid: yes I'm 10:09
Quintasan|Droidvalorie: it is ready to go, it wont be stable at any point in its life so :P10:09
valorieIF techbase is up to date so I can consult it'10:09
NightroseRiddell: no objection from my side but i'm not unbiased ;-)10:09
bambeeRiddell: indeed10:09
valorieright, I'm talking about the fluff around it, like documentation, nice image, etc.10:10
Quintasan|Droidvalorie: techbase page was updated by yofel10:10
Quintasan|Droidvalorie: I can provide screenshots once I get home10:10
valorieor are you re-using the old Project Neon graphic?10:10
Quintasan|DroidWe will get new one from sheytan at some point10:10
valoriefor a dot story it's nice to have a snazzy graphic10:10
bambeeQuintasan|Droid: After language-selector yes10:11
Quintasan|Droidbambee: Great!10:11
bambeeand I've to help shadeslayer too :)10:11
Quintasan|Droid:O10:12
valoriecool, I'll start on the article before I go to bed10:12
Quintasan|Droidvalorie: thanks, I will get some screenshots once I finish school and poke sheytan for art10:13
* Quintasan|Droid will polish up his blog post too10:13
valorieokey-doke10:13
Quintasan|DroidWe need re-dent festival too :)10:13
valoriethe techbase page still has the under construction tag on it10:28
yofelI know, I'll remove that later, haven't tested if the translations instructions work10:29
valorieokey-doke10:29
yofeleverything else is updated10:29
valoriecool10:29
nigelbgah, I keep missing Quintasan :|10:52
nigelbcan someone tell him I'm looking for him? :)10:52
valorieanybody have quintasan's email?11:11
valoriegoogledocs ate my article, so I re-wrote and will send it to him and shadeslayer11:11
Riddellvalorie: it did?  googledocs is usually pretty good with undo and revision control11:14
Riddellvalorie: I can't recreate this flash issue in maverick, you just did a general upgrade with kpackagekit and it stopped working?11:15
valorieyes, but I think the bug workaround fixed it11:16
valorielet me try a youtube11:16
Riddellvalorie: bug workaround being to use apt-get?11:16
valorieyes11:17
valorieno, it didn't work11:17
valorieit says it has to install plugins, looks11:17
valorieI say fine, then it reports that it is already installed11:17
valorierinse, repeat11:17
valorieno youtube in FF11:18
valoriethis is Mav, yes, with KDE 4.611:18
nigelbQuintasan_: hi11:19
valorieQuintasan: email sent to you, and now I'm off to bed11:19
nigelbdarn11:19
valoriepiffle11:19
valorielol11:19
valoriestill going to bed!11:19
nigelbhehe11:20
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dpmhey all, I'm trying to add some very simple test cases to check language packs are fine before we release updates. Could someone give me a hand by filling the "Kubuntu" section under "Packages to test"?11:50
dpmthey can just be equivalent to the Ubuntu ones, but with the Kubuntu apps11:51
Riddelldpm: can do, where's that?11:51
dpmRiddell, sorry, forgot the most important part, here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA11:52
dpmthanks11:52
ScottKagateau: It looks like appmenu-gtk pulls in a pretty heavy set of depends for us: http://paste.ubuntu.com/565810/ - Could you speak with your compatriots and see if that's all really necessary?11:58
ScottK(I'm pretty sure we don't have room for all that)11:58
Riddelldpm: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA#Kubuntu12:01
dpmRiddell, excellent, thanks!12:03
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Riddellhi rbelem 12:36
rbelemhi Riddell12:44
rbelem:)12:44
rbelemare there open positions on canonical? :)12:45
rbelem:D12:46
RiddellI've heard the suggestion that Canonical should just buy Qt..12:50
tazzroflol12:51
tazzRiddell, i bet it would be on a discount, now that nokia has decided to join hands with microsoft.12:53
shadeslayer<Riddell> I've heard the suggestion that Canonical should just buy Qt..12:57
shadeslayerROFLMAO12:57
shadeslayertazz: true dat12:57
shadeslayervalorie: google docs ate your article? i thought it was well fed by Google so as not to eat stuff12:57
Riddelldantti: any thoughts on bug 716311 ?  seems like packagekitd is corrupting the postinst script randomly12:58
shadeslayertoo bad Nokia is going for WP7 shit12:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 716311 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "flash not installed" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71631112:58
shadeslayerno Qt on Windodws doesn't help either13:03
shadeslayer*Windows13:03
shadeslayergood grief ... i spelled windows wrong .... FOSS has consumed me13:03
rbelemRiddell, that would be awesome13:06
ejat:)13:06
danttiRiddell: I thought it was fixed by colin, no?13:21
yofelbug 680328 is marked as fixed13:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 680328 in qapt (Ubuntu Natty) "Many postinst scripts fail using either PackageKit, or QApt" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68032813:21
Riddelldantti: hmm, but not fixed in maverick?13:31
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danttiRiddell: hmm I don't think so, sorry for being away these time, next week I'll be living abroad and I'm rushing to deploy an application that I developed...13:38
Riddelldantti: ok but this flash upgrade bug is probably caused by bug 680328 and we should backport that fix?13:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 680328 in qapt (Ubuntu Natty) "Many postinst scripts fail using either PackageKit, or QApt" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68032813:41
danttiRiddell: yes, I think it would be a good idea to backport since as Colin said he does not know how this worked on maverick :P13:42
Riddellthanks dantti, good luck deploying and moving13:43
danttiRiddell: thanks :)13:43
danttiRiddell: btw I'm deploying kubuntu togheter :P13:57
Riddelldantti: oh?  what sort of deployment?13:58
danttiRiddell: it's a qt app that I did I can run on windows, but the advantes of linux made the client chose for linux of course :P13:59
dantti*it13:59
danttimy biggest problem are lowmem pcs and small screen 800x660 :P14:00
danttinot counting they are monochromatic14:00
shadeslayerwhere is sheytan when we need him the most14:04
shadeslayervalorie: can we haz some fame? possibly mention our names in the article? :P14:13
shadeslayerapart from that we don't have a banner yet .... 14:16
shadeslayereverything else looks fine14:16
shadeslayer( maybe mention the issue's one might face after installing Neon )14:17
Riddellshadeslayer: valorie is asleep, I think if you want the article you should edit as you wish then submit to the dot14:30
shadeslayerah ok14:30
shadeslayerRiddell: btw we are still working on a banner ^_^14:30
RiddellDarkwingDuck: going to become a website editor?14:54
RiddellDarkwingDuck: fixing bug 712880 means finding the drupal theme bzr branch, editing that then getting sysadmin to merge14:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 712880 in Kubuntu Website "False claims on kubuntu.org/feature-tour webpage" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71288014:55
DarkwingDuckYeah...14:55
DarkwingDuckI figured as much.14:56
DarkwingDuckRiddell: Ofirk had emailed me around the first of the year asking if I would be willing to help out a bit. I have about 15 years of web dev14:57
DarkwingDuckRiddell: that system to get sometihng working seems a bit... silly.14:58
RiddellDarkwingDuck: I don't know why the theme was made that way (with content directly in the theme instead of in drupal content) but that's what we're stuck with until ofirk/sheytan's new design appears14:59
Riddelland since ofir seems generally very annoyed with our sysadmins for being unresponsive that may never happen15:00
DarkwingDuckRiddell: That made my head hurt. I don't know why we don't just write in a drupal module that will authenticate users with openID via launchpad...15:02
RiddellDarkwingDuck: well for news we do use drupal content but for some reason ofir made the theme with some pages directly in the theme15:11
RiddellI expect it's fixable to anyone who knows anything about drupal and theme15:11
Riddellthemes15:11
DarkwingDuckRiddell: I have a few years expirence working with drupal. I'll email ofir and see what all I can help with after I'm finished pluggin gout docs.15:13
DarkwingDuck*Plugging out15:13
RiddellDarkwingDuck: at a guess he'd probably want the new theme finished rather than the current one updated15:14
DarkwingDuckRiddell: while I agree that a new theme would be nice, having a way to add/maintain content would be really nice too15:17
DarkwingDuckHey NCommander long time no see15:18
NCommanderhuh?15:19
NCommander10:20:06 -!- NCommander [~mcasadeva@184.154.102.89] has joined #kubuntu-devel15:19
NCommander...15:19
DarkwingDuckI have not seen you around in a while.15:19
NCommanderbut I didn't go anywhere ...15:19
NCommanderI've just been idealling mostly15:20
NCommander10:20:06 -!- NCommander [~mcasadeva@184.154.102.89] has joined #kubuntu-devel15:20
NCommanderARGH15:20
RiddellDarkwingDuck: yes15:20
DarkwingDuckRiddell: and I know that there is a way to log into Drupal via OpenID.15:22
DarkwingDuckWhat just happened?15:22
RiddellDarkwingDuck: I don't think OpenID has anything to do with it15:22
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Riddellwe have a way to log in to the website and add content, it's the theme that is the problem15:23
Riddellfreenode decided to split, it's doing a partnership with Microsoft I expect15:23
DarkwingDuckRiddell: Do you know what the issues with the theme is?15:23
DarkwingDuckhehehe15:23
RiddellDarkwingDuck: that the theme hardcodes content for a page rather than showing what the normal drupal content for the page should be15:24
DarkwingDuckahhhhhhhh15:24
DarkwingDuckRiddell: with the admin functions to add content do you also have the other admin access for drupal?15:25
RiddellDarkwingDuck: yes15:26
RiddellI can give you the access details if you want15:27
RiddellDarkwingDuck: I think the theme is at https://code.launchpad.net/~klinger-ofir/kubuntu-website-staging/release-1.015:27
DarkwingDuckRiddell: That would be nice. This way I can see backdoor what is happening with the theme15:27
DarkwingDuckRiddell: was there wa scheduled outage for Kubuntu.org servers?15:40
RiddellDarkwingDuck: no, why?15:40
DarkwingDuckRiddell: I'm running ito loads of timeouts and connection errors15:40
shadeslayerRiddell: btw i see no Copy Image in rekonq source code, just Copy image location in src/webview.cpp15:41
DarkwingDuckRiddell: The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.15:41
shadeslayerbut during runtime it's there15:41
shadeslayerDarkwingDuck: wiki?15:42
shadeslayeroh15:42
shadeslayeri have that as well15:42
DarkwingDuckall pf kubuntu.org15:42
DarkwingDucks/pf/of15:42
shadeslayeryeah15:42
shadeslayersame thing here15:42
* DarkwingDuck grumbles15:53
DaskreechDarkwingDuck doesn't grumble. He get the job clumsily done!16:01
DarkwingDuckhehehe16:02
bambeeSomeone uses kmess , or I'm just the only one ? :P16:05
* bambee hides16:05
bambeekmess-2.0.4 in universe has a strange bug:  disconnect from the server just after login16:06
bambeesee http://kmess.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4585&start=3016:06
bambeethen http://gitorious.org/kmess/kmess/commit/dcfbfdae846f9103fd7bd3acffec70ab729898bc16:06
Riddellbambee: if that patch fixes it then it would be good to have in natty and as a stable release update16:07
bambeeindeed16:08
bambeeit works for 2.0.5, I'll test with 2.0.416:09
bambee(just in case)16:09
Riddellbambee: if there's a 2.0.5 out it would be good to have that packaged too16:10
bambeein this case package the lastest stable release which is 2.0.6 :)16:10
Riddelleven better16:11
bambee;)16:11
ScottKRiddell: I see from the release menu that we'll have LibreOffice globalmenu support soon.  That makes me think even more we need to ship appmenu-gtk since it's part of our default package selection.16:48
ScottKagateau: ^^^16:48
agateauScottK: makes sense16:48
ScottKagateau: Did you see my ping earlier about all the depends it pulls in?16:48
DarkwingDuckI wonder if this will trickle down and hurt... http://goo.gl/9xhou16:49
agateauScottK: yes, but I just had a look at the list, and I don't think anything can be removed:  libc6 (>= 2.2.5), libdbusmenu-glib3, libdbusmenu-gtk3, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.26.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.21.2-0ubuntu6)16:49
agateauScottK: what do you think can be dropped from there?16:49
ScottKagateau: There's atk getting pulled in somehow.16:49
ScottKhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/565810/16:50
agateauScottK: maybe libgtk depends on it?16:50
ScottKMaybe.16:50
ScottKIt just seemed like a lot for appmenu-gtk to need.16:50
ScottKRiddell: Mind if I go ahead and seed it?16:50
RiddellScottK: have you worked out what it brings in?16:51
agateauScottK: yes, libgtk depends on libatk16:51
Riddelland how much space that takes?16:51
ScottKRiddell: Soo my pastebin.16:51
ScottKIt's ~4MB compressed in .debs16:51
Riddellyuck16:51
ScottKSo I'd guess about that in squashfs16:51
ScottKRiddell: I'd seed it !powerpc so it'd all fit.16:53
RiddellI'd rather not lose a language for the sake of a rare usecase with a foreign toolkit 16:54
debfxlibgtk2.0-0 is already on the cd16:55
Riddellbut these aren't http://paste.ubuntu.com/565810/16:55
RiddellI'd actually prefer to use kubuntu-notification-helper to prompt for it if the menu plasma widget is being used16:55
debfxthey are16:55
debfxexcept the dbusmenu packages16:56
Riddelllet me fire up a virtualbox and check16:56
Riddellhttp://paste.kde.org/4526/  that's more like it17:06
RiddellScottK: so aye, I guess you can add it, but as ever I consider gtk on the CD to be a bug so any chance I get I'll remove it again :)17:07
ScottKThanks.17:08
ScottKRiddell: I ~agree about gtk on the CD, OTOH I also think a user having to know what language an application is written in to get it to work right is even more of a bug.17:12
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bambeeRiddell: btw I bumped kmess on my desktop, it works just fine :)17:35
bambeeno changes in dependencies are required (diff -u oldCmakelist.txt newCmakelist.txt > empty)17:35
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ScottKdebfx: When are we meeting to interview you?18:49
debfxScottK: 22:00 UTC19:03
ScottKAh.  So I'm -0500, so I doubt I'll be around.19:03
macoagateau: http://notalwaysright.com/giving-the-french-stick/1004219:16
DarkwingDuckDo we have any good kubuntu/KDE presentations built?19:52
ryanakcaDarkwingDuck: PS: the kubuntu-website team is pretty much defunct, as for ofir's email, you should be able to find it on his LP page.20:00
DarkwingDuckryanakca: I had dug it up... I have been playing with drupal and themeing for a few years now so maybe after the Doc push I can sit back and play with the site and help where I can.,20:02
ryanakcaAs for Kubuntu presentations, yes; good, no. I don't know if its still on the live CD but we used to have a "what is Kubuntu?" slideshow in the example content20:04
DarkwingDuckI'm doing a talk about Kubuntu and KDE at SCALE's Ubucon at the end of the month.20:07
DarkwingDuckSo I'm just looking for something to modify as I am not so great generating content.20:10
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: ping20:26
shadeslayerDarkwingDuck: afaik apachelogger had some on his blog20:33
DarkwingDuckYeah, I was digging that.20:34
DarkwingDuckWe killed HAL in 11.04 correct?20:34
shadeslayeryep20:34
shadeslayeris gitorious down ? @_@20:34
DarkwingDuckWhat replaced HAL?20:35
* DarkwingDuck needs to go through months of notes20:35
macoDarkwingDuck: pure udev20:42
DarkwingDuckmaco: aye, I found my notes.20:44
DarkwingDuckI'll upload and populate this presentation when I'm finished writing it.20:44
shadeslayersheytan_: dude21:10
shadeslayeraround?21:10
sheytan_shadeslayer yep :)21:11
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shadeslayersheytan: we need a banner for PN21:11
sheytansize?21:11
shadeslayersheytan: it needs to go on dot.kde.org21:12
shadeslayerso it's up to you :)21:12
sheytanshadeslayer give me 5 minutes ;)21:13
shadeslayersure :)21:13
shadeslayersheytan: something blue please :P21:15
shadeslayeri'll bbiab21:15
ScottKand fluffy.21:15
ScottKapachelogger would want it to be fluffy.21:15
shadeslayerwait .. Fluffy Neon21:15
shadeslayer:D21:15
sheytanshadeslayer will not be blue :P21:15
sheytanblue is every where21:15
shadeslayer:P21:16
sheytani'm tired of blue :D21:16
shadeslayerapachelogger: ok so it works fine21:23
shadeslayermy patch21:23
shadeslayeri don't see what's wrong with it21:23
shadeslayerooh21:23
sheytanshadeslayer http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2591/pnbanner.png21:23
shadeslayerapachelogger: the download dialog comes up 2 times21:23
shadeslayersheytan: put everyday at the end21:24
shadeslayersomething new everyday21:24
shadeslayerand make it glow more :P21:24
sheytanglow more no21:27
sheytanto much glow is bad :D21:27
shadeslayer:D21:27
sheytanhttp://img573.imageshack.us/img573/9782/pnbanner3.png21:27
bambeenice :D21:28
sheytanthanks ;)21:28
bambee;)21:29
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shadeslayernight all21:37
bambeenight21:38
Riddellbambee: yo21:38
Riddelldo you have the new kmess package for us to upload?21:38
bambeeyup21:39
Riddellbambee: where can I get it?21:39
bambeeIt builds and works just fine here21:39
bambeeRiddell: I'll send you an email , ok ?21:40
Riddellbambee: hmm, I'm not a fan or large e-mail attachments21:40
Riddellbambee: better to file a bug and attach to that on launchpad21:41
Riddells/or/of/21:41
kubotuRiddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"21:41
bambeeok21:41
Riddellor upload to revu21:41
bambeeRiddell: revu is a good idea21:41
Riddelldo you have access?  I'm not sure what you need to do to get upload access to revu these days21:42
Riddellreminds me, review needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/owncloud21:42
* Riddell eyes up maco 21:42
Riddellin a view to getting her to review it, not a harassment sort of way21:42
macohahaha21:43
macoim at work deary21:43
bambeeRiddell: I've (I'm registered and I can upload using dput )21:43
Riddellbambee: groovy, go for it21:43
macoi'll take a look at home21:43
bambeeas I said no dependencies changes are required, I just refreshed the patch and the changelog21:44
bambeeRiddell: done21:47
bambee(i.e uploaded)21:47
sheytanshadeslayer tell when when the article will be up ;)21:57
bambeeshadeslayer: me too please ;)21:58
yofelwhere's the meeting?22:00
Riddellhi22:01
Riddelllet's meet here22:01
Riddelldebfx: ping22:01
debfxRiddell: pong22:01
Riddellapachelogger: JontheEchidna Quintasan nixternal ScottK  kubuntu-dev ping22:01
JontheEchidnapong22:02
Riddellgroovy, two of us22:02
* DarkwingDuck grins22:02
Riddellwell debfx, could you introduce yourself and tell us why you want to be in kubuntu-dev?22:02
sheytanRiddell may i join as kubuntu-member too? :D22:03
Quintasanpong22:04
* Quintasan is late a big22:04
Riddellsheytan: yes, but this is a kubuntu-dev meeting which is a slightly different group than kubuntu-member22:04
debfxI'm Felix, 22 years old and studying computer science22:04
debfxI'd like to become a kubuntu-dev to help make Kubuntu better and not constantly bother sponsors to upload my packages ;)22:05
Riddelldebfx: are you in MOTU or another dev group?22:05
RiddellQuintasan: your turn to do a grilling :)22:05
debfxyes, I'm a MOTU22:05
QuintasanI can't miss that :D22:06
nigelbQuintasan: ping22:06
Quintasanpong22:06
nigelbdarn, lets take to PM22:06
Riddelldebfx: do you know what the difference in responsibility is between MOTU and kubuntu-dev?22:06
debfxRiddell: universe consist mostly of unseeded packages so screwing up there doesn't affect that many users22:08
Riddellyep :)22:08
RiddellJontheEchidna, Quintasan: think of taxing questions for debfx 22:09
Riddelldebfx: what's is a watch file good for?22:09
QuintasanRiddell: Sorry, multipe people at once want something from me :P22:09
debfxRiddell: to easily check for new upstream versions22:09
Quintasandebfx: What are post and pre inst and rm scripts used for?22:09
Riddelldebfx: how does a watch file reveal a new upsteam version?22:09
* Riddell does actually know the answer to this question22:10
debfxQuintasan: to run code before the package is installed/removed22:11
debfxRiddell: uscan parses the watch file, does a http/ftp request and evaluates a regex22:12
Riddellso we run uscan manually?  is that easier than just checking the upstream website?  why don't we do that automatically?22:12
Riddelldebfx: how did you learn packaging?22:13
debfxwe have a website that runs it automatically22:14
Riddellwe do?22:14
debfxyes, UEHS22:14
debfxhttp://qa.ubuntuwire.org/uehs/22:14
JontheEchidnaI have a question, I'll wait to ask until other questions have been answered though22:14
Quintasandebfx: How do we deal with packages that overwrite files which are already in different packages? 22:15
debfxRiddell: mostly learning by doing, looking at other packages and reading some documentation22:15
Riddellooh that's interesting, that really needs to be publicised better22:15
debfxunfortunately UEHS doesn't allow to subscribe to a package (like in Debian)22:16
Quintasanyeah, news to me as well22:16
Quintasandebfx++22:16
* JontheEchidna knew about it <.<22:16
JontheEchidnaqa.ubuntuwire.org is a neat website22:16
JontheEchidnauhes aside22:16
debfxQuintasan: we add a Breaks and Replaces on the package that takes over the file22:17
JontheEchidnaIs this a valid rules file for the latest version of debhelper? http://paste.ubuntu.com/566077/22:17
debfxJontheEchidna: no, $@ needs to be the first parameter22:17
JontheEchidnayup22:17
QuintasanI was waiting for that :D22:17
Quintasandebfx: one more from me, why do we have *.symbols file and what they do?22:18
debfxQuintasan: so we know when a symbol was dropped (without an SONAME bump) and to allow packages using the library to depend on the minimal version it needs22:20
Quintasanno more stuff from me :)22:20
debfxQuintasan: they list all symbols in the library and the version in which the symbols appeared first22:20
Riddelldebfx: feature freeze happens in a couple of weeks, can we upload new upstream versions after that?22:20
Quintasandebfx: PROTIP: beware of apacheloggers questions :P22:20
debfxRiddell: yes, if they are bugfix only versions22:21
debfxor if we have a good reason and a freeze exception22:22
RiddellJontheEchidna, Quintasan: any other questions?22:23
JontheEchidnanope22:23
debfxQuintasan: so we need to close the meeting before he appears ;)22:23
Quintasandebfx: He will get you on ML later so no worries :P22:23
JontheEchidnaI've been sponsoring debfx's packages for quite a while and have no worries22:23
Quintasannope22:23
RiddellI'm +1 for knowing lots about packaging and doing a variety of useful things22:23
QuintasanI haven't been sponsoring any stuff maybe because I just joined but I saw quality stuff from him22:23
Quintasanso, +122:24
RiddellI can also reveal that ScottK gave a +1 without grilling him at all22:24
RiddellJontheEchidna: so that's a +1?22:24
JontheEchidnayup22:24
Riddelllovely, I think that's a majority of active kubuntu-dev so welcome in debfx 22:25
debfxthanks :D22:25
Riddelldebfx: might you come to UDS?22:25
debfxRiddell: yes, I'll probably apply for sponsorship22:27
Quintasankubotu: order cookies for debfx22:27
* kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to debfx.22:27
* Quintasan shoots confetti at debfx22:27
Quintasan\o/22:27
Quintasanyofel, sheytan, shadeslayer, valorie: ping22:28
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Friendliest Community on Earth | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | alpha 3 bugs http://goo.gl/yGhJd | debfx gains kubuntu-dev black belt
valoriepong22:28
valoriecongratulations, debfx22:29
Quintasanvalorie: I took the liberty and edited you post a little bit, it wasn't published yet, was it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/566090/22:29
Quintasanvalorie: Hope you do not mind :)22:29
valorieno, it was a first draft22:30
* bambee offers a beer to debfx for its new rank22:30
bambee;)22:30
Riddellhas the neon story been submitted to the dot?22:30
QuintasanNot yet22:30
QuintasanI want to start the revolution now :)22:30
Quintasanyofel: I tried stuff today22:31
valoriewell, we are sort of waiting on artwork22:31
valoriethe old artwork is really good22:31
Quintasansheytan went off to somewhere22:31
valoriebut it doesn't seem cool to reuse it22:31
yofelpong22:31
valoriehis first drafts of artwork don't look very good to me, sadly22:31
Riddellhmm, well sheytan just went offline so probably no artwork tonight22:31
Quintasanvalorie: I have one or two screen shots22:32
Quintasanthe problem is, my kvm somehow makes the blue wallpaper look orange22:32
yofelit did the same for me for something else once - dunno why22:33
Quintasanyofel: our packages seem to be working fine22:33
Quintasanexcept being unstable all the time :P22:33
yofelyeah, most of them work fine22:33
valorieQuintasan: upload them somewhere?22:34
Quintasanmoment22:34
Quintasanvalorie: it's two at the moment but tell me what else we can show so I will grab them right aways22:36
Quintasanhttp://i.imgur.com/SnxSW.png22:36
Quintasansorry for low resolution, my kvm seems incapable of pulling something bigger off22:37
Quintasanyofel, valorie: so the only stuff we are waiting for is artwork?22:37
Quintasanhttp://i.imgur.com/2nu8q.jpg22:38
Riddellbambee: your kmess package includes kmess-2.0.6/debian//patches/debian-changes-2.0.6-0ubuntu122:38
Riddellautomatically made patches usually arn't ment to be there22:38
QuintasanRiddell: I will also be giving talks about daily builds on UDW22:38
valorieQuintasan: I'm not sure screenshots will help in the article22:39
Quintasanyofel, shadeslayer: ^ hope you can show up in case I start spewing some random nosense22:39
yofelpretty much, there isn't anything easy fixable left and the techbase page is done22:39
valoriemaybe upload those to the wiki?22:39
bambeeI just used debuild , but I probably missed something...22:39
Quintasanvalorie: good point22:39
valorieand we can include a link in the article22:39
valorieyou have such a nice background image it would be a shame to waste them22:39
valorie:-)22:40
Riddellbambee: it means you changed something in the upstream package CMakeLists.txt in this case22:40
Riddell+-#SET( CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE debugfull )22:40
Riddell++SET( CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE debugfull )22:40
Riddellbambee: does that look like something you want changed?22:40
Quintasanvalorie: That's the included stuff :O22:40
Riddellbambee: it's also the reverse of debian//patches/01_no_debugfull_build.diff so your package did something wrong with it's patches22:40
bambeeprobably, I'll fix it22:41
Riddellbambee: do you know how to use quilt?22:41
yofelQuintasan: are you going to put anything else on the kubuntu wiki?22:41
Quintasanlet me edit it first and then tell you22:42
bambeeRiddell: usually I use git or diff so nop22:42
Riddellbambee: quilt manages the patches in a package22:42
Riddellexport QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches22:42
Riddellthen use quilt push and quilt pop  to make sure the patches are actually applied or not22:42
Quintasanyofel: any idea how do I insert images in Wiki?22:43
bambeeRiddell: ok22:43
yofelQuintasan: err, upload as attachment and then use the attachment syntax22:43
yofel(I think)22:43
Quintasanoh damn22:43
QuintasanI totally forgot22:43
QuintasanY U 400 ON ME WIKI?22:45
Quintasanyofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon22:46
Quintasanlooks horrible22:46
Quintasanneeds image resizing from me22:46
Quintasanand, well, some sort of introduction but I can get this done on Monday as well22:47
yofeleeek yeah22:47
RiddellQuintasan: tsk, use wiki.kubuntu.org22:47
yofelQuintasan: copy the one from techbase maybe22:47
Quintasancopypasta? not my style22:47
Quintasanbut for now if will be sufficient22:47
yofel^^22:47
Quintasanyofel: nothing more from me as for now22:50
valorieQuintasan: you should have your wiki page with the rest of the wiki pages22:50
Quintasanurgh, what?22:50
yofelk, from me neither - most things work fine, so release it :)22:51
valorieoh, you do, ok22:51
valoriewth, wiki22:52
valorieslower than molasses22:52
valorie500 internal error, so helpful23:00
* yofel is off - good night23:01
bambeehttp://pastebin.com/9ZNduEjy   o_O23:04
bambeewtf ?23:04
ScottKRiddell: Reviewed owncloud (comments on REVU).23:05
bambeeI followed these steps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Updating an Ubuntu Package23:05
Riddellbambee: I think quilt has got confused23:15
Riddellit's not uncommon23:15
RiddellI can fix it in a bit23:15
bambeeconfused about what ?23:16
Riddellbambee: confused about what patches are applied or not23:22
bambeearf23:24
Riddellbambee: do you want me to show you or shall I just sort it?23:27
bambeeshow me please23:28
Riddellbambee: is your ssh key on launchpad?  what's your account?23:31
bambeemy lp id is bambi23:31
bambeeand yes my ssh is on launchpad23:31
Riddellbambee: ssh ubuntu@ec2-184-73-87-171.compute-1.amazonaws.com23:32
Riddellscreen -x23:33
bambeedone23:34
Riddellbambee: can you see me installing stuff?23:34
bambeeyes23:35
bambeeit rocks :D23:35
Riddellbambee: ok so we have this package and it has two patches23:36
Riddell01_no_debugfull_build.diff  debian-changes-2.0.6-0ubuntu1 23:36
Riddellthe second patch just undoes the first one23:37
Riddellwe want to get rid of the second one23:37
Riddellso first we need to unapply it23:37
Riddellbambee: run  quilt pop   in the screen session23:37
Riddellbambee: ok now edit debian/patches/series (with nano I guess) and remove the second patch23:38
bambeedone23:38
Riddellbambee: groovy, now run debuild -S  to make the source package23:38
bambeew00t... 23:39
Riddellbah, you'll need to install cdbs and pkg-kde-tools23:39
Riddellonce that's done check the debian.tar.gz to make sure no debian/patches/debianfoo patches have crept into it23:39
Riddellthen you can scp the package files onto your local computer23:40
Riddellsign them with debsign *dsc23:40
Riddellsign them with debsign *changes actually23:40
Riddellthen upload to revu23:40
* Riddell out, good luck :)23:40
bambeethanks :)23:40
ScottKdebfx: Congratulations.23:41
afiestas__Riddell: do you have time to test Kamoso on your "other pc" ?23:52
afiestas__a recent master or 2.0 should be fine23:52
bambeeupdated on revu ;)23:57

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