[00:39] <DarkwingDuck> ryanakca: Do you have an email address for ofirk?
[05:33] <dantti> hi, the debian new maintaners guide says to be carefull when using postinst files, is there any other file that I could use to run my db maintainance after all is installed?
[05:37] <persia> dantti, You want to run something *after* you finish installing the package?  The postinst is the correct place to do that.  Just be careful.
[05:38] <persia> Key things to be careful about: you need to be able to run it over and over and over again, never crashing and never bothering the user.
[05:38] <persia> For anything you do, you should have a plan to undo it, in case you ever need to transition to a different way of doing things.
[05:39] <persia> And if the user makes changes to the system, you need to respect those changes, and not overwrite them the next time the package is upgraded.
[05:40] <dantti> persia: right, thanks..
[08:20] <bambee> hey
[08:23] <Riddell> morning
[08:30] <agateau> ScottK: you need appmenu-gtk for gtk apps to show in the widget
[08:31] <agateau> ScottK: maybe it could be added as a depends or recommends of plasma-widget-menubar?
[09:48] <bambee> A draft:  http://imageupload.org/?di=15129741725412 (the default mode is "select", it's just a example)
[09:48] <bambee> (don't worry, it's not finished yet)
[09:52] <Riddell> bambee: one obvious problem is that language-selector (qt, not gtk) has three UI modes, which is hard to put into kcontrol modules
[09:55] <Riddell> bug 716311
[09:56] <Riddell> why might kpackagekit not be installing flash?
[09:57] <valorie> is this a new bug?
[09:57] <valorie> I've been noticing for the last 24+ hours, that flash no longer works
[09:57] <valorie> although it's reported to be installed
[09:57] <Riddell> there was an update 40 hours ago in security
[09:57] <valorie> that would be it, then
[09:58] <bambee> mhhh I could uses tabs... however I've to modify QtLanguageSelector for that...
[09:58] <valorie> html5 didn't work either
[09:58] <bambee> use *
[09:59] <Riddell> bambee: that would work yes
[09:59] <bambee> for example:  first tab  "install/uninstall" , second tab "select"  
[09:59] <valorie> interesting bug report
[10:00] <Riddell> bambee: well as it stands it would need to be 1) install 2) uninstall 3) select
[10:02] <Quintasan|Droid> Riddell: ping
[10:03] <Riddell> hi Quintasan|Droid 
[10:03] <Quintasan|Droid> Riddell: Hiho, I want to push out Project Neon after the meeting, can you make some sort of blog post magic on Planet KDE?
[10:04] <bambee> Riddell: I agree, but install and uninstall modes have exactly the same GUI (except a pushbutton label)
[10:04] <bambee> that's why I proposed to put them together in the same tab :)
[10:05] <Quintasan|Droid> bambee: are you up for Telepathy stuff any soon?
[10:05] <Quintasan|Droid> I think guys over there are about to make real GUI for it
[10:07] <Riddell> Quintasan|Droid: he's busy with lanugage-selector just now
[10:07] <Riddell> bambee: same GUI but showing different things (one shows languages installed, one shows languages available for install)
[10:07] <Quintasan|Droid> Riddell: oh, that's good anyways
[10:08] <Riddell> Quintasan|Droid: late this evening?  I think having a dot story would be good, valorie was going to work on that
[10:08] <Riddell> although it probably needs other dot editors to agree, Nightrose what do you think of a dot story for project neon?
[10:08] <valorie> I will write one if everything is ready to go
[10:08] <valorie> or help with one if that's preferable
[10:09] <bambee> Quintasan|Droid: yes I'm 
[10:09] <Quintasan|Droid> valorie: it is ready to go, it wont be stable at any point in its life so :P
[10:09] <valorie> IF techbase is up to date so I can consult it'
[10:09] <Nightrose> Riddell: no objection from my side but i'm not unbiased ;-)
[10:09] <bambee> Riddell: indeed
[10:10] <valorie> right, I'm talking about the fluff around it, like documentation, nice image, etc.
[10:10] <Quintasan|Droid> valorie: techbase page was updated by yofel
[10:10] <Quintasan|Droid> valorie: I can provide screenshots once I get home
[10:10] <valorie> or are you re-using the old Project Neon graphic?
[10:10] <Quintasan|Droid> We will get new one from sheytan at some point
[10:10] <valorie> for a dot story it's nice to have a snazzy graphic
[10:11] <bambee> Quintasan|Droid: After language-selector yes
[10:11] <Quintasan|Droid> bambee: Great!
[10:11] <bambee> and I've to help shadeslayer too :)
[10:12] <Quintasan|Droid> :O
[10:12] <valorie> cool, I'll start on the article before I go to bed
[10:13] <Quintasan|Droid> valorie: thanks, I will get some screenshots once I finish school and poke sheytan for art
[10:13]  * Quintasan|Droid will polish up his blog post too
[10:13] <valorie> okey-doke
[10:13] <Quintasan|Droid> We need re-dent festival too :)
[10:28] <valorie> the techbase page still has the under construction tag on it
[10:29] <yofel> I know, I'll remove that later, haven't tested if the translations instructions work
[10:29] <valorie> okey-doke
[10:29] <yofel> everything else is updated
[10:29] <valorie> cool
[10:52] <nigelb> gah, I keep missing Quintasan :|
[10:52] <nigelb> can someone tell him I'm looking for him? :)
[11:11] <valorie> anybody have quintasan's email?
[11:11] <valorie> googledocs ate my article, so I re-wrote and will send it to him and shadeslayer
[11:14] <Riddell> valorie: it did?  googledocs is usually pretty good with undo and revision control
[11:15] <Riddell> valorie: I can't recreate this flash issue in maverick, you just did a general upgrade with kpackagekit and it stopped working?
[11:16] <valorie> yes, but I think the bug workaround fixed it
[11:16] <valorie> let me try a youtube
[11:16] <Riddell> valorie: bug workaround being to use apt-get?
[11:17] <valorie> yes
[11:17] <valorie> no, it didn't work
[11:17] <valorie> it says it has to install plugins, looks
[11:17] <valorie> I say fine, then it reports that it is already installed
[11:17] <valorie> rinse, repeat
[11:18] <valorie> no youtube in FF
[11:18] <valorie> this is Mav, yes, with KDE 4.6
[11:19] <nigelb> Quintasan_: hi
[11:19] <valorie> Quintasan: email sent to you, and now I'm off to bed
[11:19] <nigelb> darn
[11:19] <valorie> piffle
[11:19] <valorie> lol
[11:19] <valorie> still going to bed!
[11:20] <nigelb> hehe
[11:50] <dpm> hey all, I'm trying to add some very simple test cases to check language packs are fine before we release updates. Could someone give me a hand by filling the "Kubuntu" section under "Packages to test"?
[11:51] <dpm> they can just be equivalent to the Ubuntu ones, but with the Kubuntu apps
[11:51] <Riddell> dpm: can do, where's that?
[11:52] <dpm> Riddell, sorry, forgot the most important part, here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA
[11:52] <dpm> thanks
[11:58] <ScottK> agateau: It looks like appmenu-gtk pulls in a pretty heavy set of depends for us: http://paste.ubuntu.com/565810/ - Could you speak with your compatriots and see if that's all really necessary?
[11:58] <ScottK> (I'm pretty sure we don't have room for all that)
[12:01] <Riddell> dpm: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA#Kubuntu
[12:03] <dpm> Riddell, excellent, thanks!
[12:36] <Riddell> hi rbelem 
[12:44] <rbelem> hi Riddell
[12:44] <rbelem> :)
[12:45] <rbelem> are there open positions on canonical? :)
[12:46] <rbelem> :D
[12:50] <Riddell> I've heard the suggestion that Canonical should just buy Qt..
[12:51] <tazz> roflol
[12:53] <tazz> Riddell, i bet it would be on a discount, now that nokia has decided to join hands with microsoft.
 I've heard the suggestion that Canonical should just buy Qt..
[12:57] <shadeslayer> ROFLMAO
[12:57] <shadeslayer> tazz: true dat
[12:57] <shadeslayer> valorie: google docs ate your article? i thought it was well fed by Google so as not to eat stuff
[12:58] <Riddell> dantti: any thoughts on bug 716311 ?  seems like packagekitd is corrupting the postinst script randomly
[12:58] <shadeslayer> too bad Nokia is going for WP7 shit
[13:03] <shadeslayer> no Qt on Windodws doesn't help either
[13:03] <shadeslayer> *Windows
[13:03] <shadeslayer> good grief ... i spelled windows wrong .... FOSS has consumed me
[13:06] <rbelem> Riddell, that would be awesome
[13:06] <ejat> :)
[13:21] <dantti> Riddell: I thought it was fixed by colin, no?
[13:21] <yofel> bug 680328 is marked as fixed
[13:31] <Riddell> dantti: hmm, but not fixed in maverick?
[13:38] <dantti> Riddell: hmm I don't think so, sorry for being away these time, next week I'll be living abroad and I'm rushing to deploy an application that I developed...
[13:41] <Riddell> dantti: ok but this flash upgrade bug is probably caused by bug 680328 and we should backport that fix?
[13:42] <dantti> Riddell: yes, I think it would be a good idea to backport since as Colin said he does not know how this worked on maverick :P
[13:43] <Riddell> thanks dantti, good luck deploying and moving
[13:43] <dantti> Riddell: thanks :)
[13:57] <dantti> Riddell: btw I'm deploying kubuntu togheter :P
[13:58] <Riddell> dantti: oh?  what sort of deployment?
[13:59] <dantti> Riddell: it's a qt app that I did I can run on windows, but the advantes of linux made the client chose for linux of course :P
[13:59] <dantti> *it
[14:00] <dantti> my biggest problem are lowmem pcs and small screen 800x660 :P
[14:00] <dantti> not counting they are monochromatic
[14:04] <shadeslayer> where is sheytan when we need him the most
[14:13] <shadeslayer> valorie: can we haz some fame? possibly mention our names in the article? :P
[14:16] <shadeslayer> apart from that we don't have a banner yet .... 
[14:16] <shadeslayer> everything else looks fine
[14:17] <shadeslayer> ( maybe mention the issue's one might face after installing Neon )
[14:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: valorie is asleep, I think if you want the article you should edit as you wish then submit to the dot
[14:30] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[14:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw we are still working on a banner ^_^
[14:54] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: going to become a website editor?
[14:54] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: fixing bug 712880 means finding the drupal theme bzr branch, editing that then getting sysadmin to merge
[14:55] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah...
[14:56] <DarkwingDuck> I figured as much.
[14:57] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Ofirk had emailed me around the first of the year asking if I would be willing to help out a bit. I have about 15 years of web dev
[14:58] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: that system to get sometihng working seems a bit... silly.
[14:59] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: I don't know why the theme was made that way (with content directly in the theme instead of in drupal content) but that's what we're stuck with until ofirk/sheytan's new design appears
[15:00] <Riddell> and since ofir seems generally very annoyed with our sysadmins for being unresponsive that may never happen
[15:02] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: That made my head hurt. I don't know why we don't just write in a drupal module that will authenticate users with openID via launchpad...
[15:11] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: well for news we do use drupal content but for some reason ofir made the theme with some pages directly in the theme
[15:11] <Riddell> I expect it's fixable to anyone who knows anything about drupal and theme
[15:11] <Riddell> themes
[15:13] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I have a few years expirence working with drupal. I'll email ofir and see what all I can help with after I'm finished pluggin gout docs.
[15:13] <DarkwingDuck> *Plugging out
[15:14] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: at a guess he'd probably want the new theme finished rather than the current one updated
[15:17] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: while I agree that a new theme would be nice, having a way to add/maintain content would be really nice too
[15:18] <DarkwingDuck> Hey NCommander long time no see
[15:19] <NCommander> huh?
[15:19] <NCommander> 10:20:06 -!- NCommander [~mcasadeva@184.154.102.89] has joined #kubuntu-devel
[15:19] <NCommander> ...
[15:19] <DarkwingDuck> I have not seen you around in a while.
[15:19] <NCommander> but I didn't go anywhere ...
[15:20] <NCommander> I've just been idealling mostly
[15:20] <NCommander> 10:20:06 -!- NCommander [~mcasadeva@184.154.102.89] has joined #kubuntu-devel
[15:20] <NCommander> ARGH
[15:20] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: yes
[15:22] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: and I know that there is a way to log into Drupal via OpenID.
[15:22] <DarkwingDuck> What just happened?
[15:22] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: I don't think OpenID has anything to do with it
[15:23] <Riddell> we have a way to log in to the website and add content, it's the theme that is the problem
[15:23] <Riddell> freenode decided to split, it's doing a partnership with Microsoft I expect
[15:23] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Do you know what the issues with the theme is?
[15:23] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[15:24] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: that the theme hardcodes content for a page rather than showing what the normal drupal content for the page should be
[15:24] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhhhhh
[15:25] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: with the admin functions to add content do you also have the other admin access for drupal?
[15:26] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: yes
[15:27] <Riddell> I can give you the access details if you want
[15:27] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: I think the theme is at https://code.launchpad.net/~klinger-ofir/kubuntu-website-staging/release-1.0
[15:27] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: That would be nice. This way I can see backdoor what is happening with the theme
[15:40] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: was there wa scheduled outage for Kubuntu.org servers?
[15:40] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: no, why?
[15:40] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I'm running ito loads of timeouts and connection errors
[15:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw i see no Copy Image in rekonq source code, just Copy image location in src/webview.cpp
[15:41] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
[15:41] <shadeslayer> but during runtime it's there
[15:42] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: wiki?
[15:42] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:42] <shadeslayer> i have that as well
[15:42] <DarkwingDuck> all pf kubuntu.org
[15:42] <DarkwingDuck> s/pf/of
[15:42] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:42] <shadeslayer> same thing here
[15:53]  * DarkwingDuck grumbles
[16:01] <Daskreech> DarkwingDuck doesn't grumble. He get the job clumsily done!
[16:02] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[16:05] <bambee> Someone uses kmess , or I'm just the only one ? :P
[16:05]  * bambee hides
[16:06] <bambee> kmess-2.0.4 in universe has a strange bug:  disconnect from the server just after login
[16:06] <bambee> see http://kmess.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4585&start=30
[16:06] <bambee> then http://gitorious.org/kmess/kmess/commit/dcfbfdae846f9103fd7bd3acffec70ab729898bc
[16:07] <Riddell> bambee: if that patch fixes it then it would be good to have in natty and as a stable release update
[16:08] <bambee> indeed
[16:09] <bambee> it works for 2.0.5, I'll test with 2.0.4
[16:09] <bambee> (just in case)
[16:10] <Riddell> bambee: if there's a 2.0.5 out it would be good to have that packaged too
[16:10] <bambee> in this case package the lastest stable release which is 2.0.6 :)
[16:11] <Riddell> even better
[16:11] <bambee> ;)
[16:48] <ScottK> Riddell: I see from the release menu that we'll have LibreOffice globalmenu support soon.  That makes me think even more we need to ship appmenu-gtk since it's part of our default package selection.
[16:48] <ScottK> agateau: ^^^
[16:48] <agateau> ScottK: makes sense
[16:48] <ScottK> agateau: Did you see my ping earlier about all the depends it pulls in?
[16:49] <DarkwingDuck> I wonder if this will trickle down and hurt... http://goo.gl/9xhou
[16:49] <agateau> ScottK: yes, but I just had a look at the list, and I don't think anything can be removed:  libc6 (>= 2.2.5), libdbusmenu-glib3, libdbusmenu-gtk3, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.26.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.21.2-0ubuntu6)
[16:49] <agateau> ScottK: what do you think can be dropped from there?
[16:49] <ScottK> agateau: There's atk getting pulled in somehow.
[16:50] <ScottK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/565810/
[16:50] <agateau> ScottK: maybe libgtk depends on it?
[16:50] <ScottK> Maybe.
[16:50] <ScottK> It just seemed like a lot for appmenu-gtk to need.
[16:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Mind if I go ahead and seed it?
[16:51] <Riddell> ScottK: have you worked out what it brings in?
[16:51] <agateau> ScottK: yes, libgtk depends on libatk
[16:51] <Riddell> and how much space that takes?
[16:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Soo my pastebin.
[16:51] <ScottK> It's ~4MB compressed in .debs
[16:51] <Riddell> yuck
[16:51] <ScottK> So I'd guess about that in squashfs
[16:53] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd seed it !powerpc so it'd all fit.
[16:54] <Riddell> I'd rather not lose a language for the sake of a rare usecase with a foreign toolkit 
[16:55] <debfx> libgtk2.0-0 is already on the cd
[16:55] <Riddell> but these aren't http://paste.ubuntu.com/565810/
[16:55] <Riddell> I'd actually prefer to use kubuntu-notification-helper to prompt for it if the menu plasma widget is being used
[16:55] <debfx> they are
[16:56] <debfx> except the dbusmenu packages
[16:56] <Riddell> let me fire up a virtualbox and check
[17:06] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/4526/  that's more like it
[17:07] <Riddell> ScottK: so aye, I guess you can add it, but as ever I consider gtk on the CD to be a bug so any chance I get I'll remove it again :)
[17:08] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:12] <ScottK> Riddell: I ~agree about gtk on the CD, OTOH I also think a user having to know what language an application is written in to get it to work right is even more of a bug.
[17:35] <bambee> Riddell: btw I bumped kmess on my desktop, it works just fine :)
[17:35] <bambee> no changes in dependencies are required (diff -u oldCmakelist.txt newCmakelist.txt > empty)
[18:49] <ScottK> debfx: When are we meeting to interview you?
[19:03] <debfx> ScottK: 22:00 UTC
[19:03] <ScottK> Ah.  So I'm -0500, so I doubt I'll be around.
[19:16] <maco> agateau: http://notalwaysright.com/giving-the-french-stick/10042
[19:52] <DarkwingDuck> Do we have any good kubuntu/KDE presentations built?
[20:00] <ryanakca> DarkwingDuck: PS: the kubuntu-website team is pretty much defunct, as for ofir's email, you should be able to find it on his LP page.
[20:02] <DarkwingDuck> ryanakca: I had dug it up... I have been playing with drupal and themeing for a few years now so maybe after the Doc push I can sit back and play with the site and help where I can.,
[20:04] <ryanakca> As for Kubuntu presentations, yes; good, no. I don't know if its still on the live CD but we used to have a "what is Kubuntu?" slideshow in the example content
[20:07] <DarkwingDuck> I'm doing a talk about Kubuntu and KDE at SCALE's Ubucon at the end of the month.
[20:10] <DarkwingDuck> So I'm just looking for something to modify as I am not so great generating content.
[20:26] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ping
[20:33] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: afaik apachelogger had some on his blog
[20:34] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I was digging that.
[20:34] <DarkwingDuck> We killed HAL in 11.04 correct?
[20:34] <shadeslayer> yep
[20:34] <shadeslayer> is gitorious down ? @_@
[20:35] <DarkwingDuck> What replaced HAL?
[20:35]  * DarkwingDuck needs to go through months of notes
[20:42] <maco> DarkwingDuck: pure udev
[20:44] <DarkwingDuck> maco: aye, I found my notes.
[20:44] <DarkwingDuck> I'll upload and populate this presentation when I'm finished writing it.
[21:10] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: dude
[21:10] <shadeslayer> around?
[21:11] <sheytan_> shadeslayer yep :)
[21:11] <shadeslayer> sheytan: we need a banner for PN
[21:11] <sheytan> size?
[21:12] <shadeslayer> sheytan: it needs to go on dot.kde.org
[21:12] <shadeslayer> so it's up to you :)
[21:13] <sheytan> shadeslayer give me 5 minutes ;)
[21:13] <shadeslayer> sure :)
[21:15] <shadeslayer> sheytan: something blue please :P
[21:15] <shadeslayer> i'll bbiab
[21:15] <ScottK> and fluffy.
[21:15] <ScottK> apachelogger would want it to be fluffy.
[21:15] <shadeslayer> wait .. Fluffy Neon
[21:15] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:15] <sheytan> shadeslayer will not be blue :P
[21:15] <sheytan> blue is every where
[21:16] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:16] <sheytan> i'm tired of blue :D
[21:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok so it works fine
[21:23] <shadeslayer> my patch
[21:23] <shadeslayer> i don't see what's wrong with it
[21:23] <shadeslayer> ooh
[21:23] <sheytan> shadeslayer http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2591/pnbanner.png
[21:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the download dialog comes up 2 times
[21:24] <shadeslayer> sheytan: put everyday at the end
[21:24] <shadeslayer> something new everyday
[21:24] <shadeslayer> and make it glow more :P
[21:27] <sheytan> glow more no
[21:27] <sheytan> to much glow is bad :D
[21:27] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:27] <sheytan> http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/9782/pnbanner3.png
[21:28] <bambee> nice :D
[21:28] <sheytan> thanks ;)
[21:29] <bambee> ;)
[21:37] <shadeslayer> night all
[21:38] <bambee> night
[21:38] <Riddell> bambee: yo
[21:38] <Riddell> do you have the new kmess package for us to upload?
[21:39] <bambee> yup
[21:39] <Riddell> bambee: where can I get it?
[21:39] <bambee> It builds and works just fine here
[21:40] <bambee> Riddell: I'll send you an email , ok ?
[21:40] <Riddell> bambee: hmm, I'm not a fan or large e-mail attachments
[21:41] <Riddell> bambee: better to file a bug and attach to that on launchpad
[21:41] <Riddell> s/or/of/
[21:41] <kubotu> Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[21:41] <bambee> ok
[21:41] <Riddell> or upload to revu
[21:41] <bambee> Riddell: revu is a good idea
[21:42] <Riddell> do you have access?  I'm not sure what you need to do to get upload access to revu these days
[21:42] <Riddell> reminds me, review needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/owncloud
[21:42]  * Riddell eyes up maco 
[21:42] <Riddell> in a view to getting her to review it, not a harassment sort of way
[21:43] <maco> hahaha
[21:43] <maco> im at work deary
[21:43] <bambee> Riddell: I've (I'm registered and I can upload using dput )
[21:43] <Riddell> bambee: groovy, go for it
[21:43] <maco> i'll take a look at home
[21:44] <bambee> as I said no dependencies changes are required, I just refreshed the patch and the changelog
[21:47] <bambee> Riddell: done
[21:47] <bambee> (i.e uploaded)
[21:57] <sheytan> shadeslayer tell when when the article will be up ;)
[21:58] <bambee> shadeslayer: me too please ;)
[22:00] <yofel> where's the meeting?
[22:01] <Riddell> hi
[22:01] <Riddell> let's meet here
[22:01] <Riddell> debfx: ping
[22:01] <debfx> Riddell: pong
[22:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: JontheEchidna Quintasan nixternal ScottK  kubuntu-dev ping
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> pong
[22:02] <Riddell> groovy, two of us
[22:02]  * DarkwingDuck grins
[22:02] <Riddell> well debfx, could you introduce yourself and tell us why you want to be in kubuntu-dev?
[22:03] <sheytan> Riddell may i join as kubuntu-member too? :D
[22:04] <Quintasan> pong
[22:04]  * Quintasan is late a big
[22:04] <Riddell> sheytan: yes, but this is a kubuntu-dev meeting which is a slightly different group than kubuntu-member
[22:04] <debfx> I'm Felix, 22 years old and studying computer science
[22:05] <debfx> I'd like to become a kubuntu-dev to help make Kubuntu better and not constantly bother sponsors to upload my packages ;)
[22:05] <Riddell> debfx: are you in MOTU or another dev group?
[22:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: your turn to do a grilling :)
[22:05] <debfx> yes, I'm a MOTU
[22:06] <Quintasan> I can't miss that :D
[22:06] <nigelb> Quintasan: ping
[22:06] <Quintasan> pong
[22:06] <nigelb> darn, lets take to PM
[22:06] <Riddell> debfx: do you know what the difference in responsibility is between MOTU and kubuntu-dev?
[22:08] <debfx> Riddell: universe consist mostly of unseeded packages so screwing up there doesn't affect that many users
[22:08] <Riddell> yep :)
[22:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna, Quintasan: think of taxing questions for debfx 
[22:09] <Riddell> debfx: what's is a watch file good for?
[22:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: Sorry, multipe people at once want something from me :P
[22:09] <debfx> Riddell: to easily check for new upstream versions
[22:09] <Quintasan> debfx: What are post and pre inst and rm scripts used for?
[22:09] <Riddell> debfx: how does a watch file reveal a new upsteam version?
[22:10]  * Riddell does actually know the answer to this question
[22:11] <debfx> Quintasan: to run code before the package is installed/removed
[22:12] <debfx> Riddell: uscan parses the watch file, does a http/ftp request and evaluates a regex
[22:12] <Riddell> so we run uscan manually?  is that easier than just checking the upstream website?  why don't we do that automatically?
[22:13] <Riddell> debfx: how did you learn packaging?
[22:14] <debfx> we have a website that runs it automatically
[22:14] <Riddell> we do?
[22:14] <debfx> yes, UEHS
[22:14] <debfx> http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/uehs/
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> I have a question, I'll wait to ask until other questions have been answered though
[22:15] <Quintasan> debfx: How do we deal with packages that overwrite files which are already in different packages? 
[22:15] <debfx> Riddell: mostly learning by doing, looking at other packages and reading some documentation
[22:15] <Riddell> ooh that's interesting, that really needs to be publicised better
[22:16] <debfx> unfortunately UEHS doesn't allow to subscribe to a package (like in Debian)
[22:16] <Quintasan> yeah, news to me as well
[22:16] <Quintasan> debfx++
[22:16]  * JontheEchidna knew about it <.<
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> qa.ubuntuwire.org is a neat website
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> uhes aside
[22:17] <debfx> Quintasan: we add a Breaks and Replaces on the package that takes over the file
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> Is this a valid rules file for the latest version of debhelper? http://paste.ubuntu.com/566077/
[22:17] <debfx> JontheEchidna: no, $@ needs to be the first parameter
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> yup
[22:17] <Quintasan> I was waiting for that :D
[22:18] <Quintasan> debfx: one more from me, why do we have *.symbols file and what they do?
[22:20] <debfx> Quintasan: so we know when a symbol was dropped (without an SONAME bump) and to allow packages using the library to depend on the minimal version it needs
[22:20] <Quintasan> no more stuff from me :)
[22:20] <debfx> Quintasan: they list all symbols in the library and the version in which the symbols appeared first
[22:20] <Riddell> debfx: feature freeze happens in a couple of weeks, can we upload new upstream versions after that?
[22:20] <Quintasan> debfx: PROTIP: beware of apacheloggers questions :P
[22:21] <debfx> Riddell: yes, if they are bugfix only versions
[22:22] <debfx> or if we have a good reason and a freeze exception
[22:23] <Riddell> JontheEchidna, Quintasan: any other questions?
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> nope
[22:23] <debfx> Quintasan: so we need to close the meeting before he appears ;)
[22:23] <Quintasan> debfx: He will get you on ML later so no worries :P
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> I've been sponsoring debfx's packages for quite a while and have no worries
[22:23] <Quintasan> nope
[22:23] <Riddell> I'm +1 for knowing lots about packaging and doing a variety of useful things
[22:23] <Quintasan> I haven't been sponsoring any stuff maybe because I just joined but I saw quality stuff from him
[22:24] <Quintasan> so, +1
[22:24] <Riddell> I can also reveal that ScottK gave a +1 without grilling him at all
[22:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: so that's a +1?
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> yup
[22:25] <Riddell> lovely, I think that's a majority of active kubuntu-dev so welcome in debfx 
[22:25] <debfx> thanks :D
[22:25] <Riddell> debfx: might you come to UDS?
[22:27] <debfx> Riddell: yes, I'll probably apply for sponsorship
[22:27] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for debfx
[22:27]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to debfx.
[22:27]  * Quintasan shoots confetti at debfx
[22:27] <Quintasan> \o/
[22:28] <Quintasan> yofel, sheytan, shadeslayer, valorie: ping
[22:28] <valorie> pong
[22:29] <valorie> congratulations, debfx
[22:29] <Quintasan> valorie: I took the liberty and edited you post a little bit, it wasn't published yet, was it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/566090/
[22:29] <Quintasan> valorie: Hope you do not mind :)
[22:30] <valorie> no, it was a first draft
[22:30]  * bambee offers a beer to debfx  for its new rank
[22:30] <bambee> ;)
[22:30] <Riddell> has the neon story been submitted to the dot?
[22:30] <Quintasan> Not yet
[22:30] <Quintasan> I want to start the revolution now :)
[22:31] <Quintasan> yofel: I tried stuff today
[22:31] <valorie> well, we are sort of waiting on artwork
[22:31] <valorie> the old artwork is really good
[22:31] <Quintasan> sheytan went off to somewhere
[22:31] <valorie> but it doesn't seem cool to reuse it
[22:31] <yofel> pong
[22:31] <valorie> his first drafts of artwork don't look very good to me, sadly
[22:31] <Riddell> hmm, well sheytan just went offline so probably no artwork tonight
[22:32] <Quintasan> valorie: I have one or two screen shots
[22:32] <Quintasan> the problem is, my kvm somehow makes the blue wallpaper look orange
[22:33] <yofel> it did the same for me for something else once - dunno why
[22:33] <Quintasan> yofel: our packages seem to be working fine
[22:33] <Quintasan> except being unstable all the time :P
[22:33] <yofel> yeah, most of them work fine
[22:34] <valorie> Quintasan: upload them somewhere?
[22:34] <Quintasan> moment
[22:36] <Quintasan> valorie: it's two at the moment but tell me what else we can show so I will grab them right aways
[22:36] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/SnxSW.png
[22:37] <Quintasan> sorry for low resolution, my kvm seems incapable of pulling something bigger off
[22:37] <Quintasan> yofel, valorie: so the only stuff we are waiting for is artwork?
[22:38] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/2nu8q.jpg
[22:38] <Riddell> bambee: your kmess package includes kmess-2.0.6/debian//patches/debian-changes-2.0.6-0ubuntu1
[22:38] <Riddell> automatically made patches usually arn't ment to be there
[22:38] <Quintasan> Riddell: I will also be giving talks about daily builds on UDW
[22:39] <valorie> Quintasan: I'm not sure screenshots will help in the article
[22:39] <Quintasan> yofel, shadeslayer: ^ hope you can show up in case I start spewing some random nosense
[22:39] <yofel> pretty much, there isn't anything easy fixable left and the techbase page is done
[22:39] <valorie> maybe upload those to the wiki?
[22:39] <bambee> I just used debuild , but I probably missed something...
[22:39] <Quintasan> valorie: good point
[22:39] <valorie> and we can include a link in the article
[22:39] <valorie> you have such a nice background image it would be a shame to waste them
[22:40] <valorie> :-)
[22:40] <Riddell> bambee: it means you changed something in the upstream package CMakeLists.txt in this case
[22:40] <Riddell> +-#SET( CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE debugfull )
[22:40] <Riddell> ++SET( CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE debugfull )
[22:40] <Riddell> bambee: does that look like something you want changed?
[22:40] <Quintasan> valorie: That's the included stuff :O
[22:40] <Riddell> bambee: it's also the reverse of debian//patches/01_no_debugfull_build.diff so your package did something wrong with it's patches
[22:41] <bambee> probably, I'll fix it
[22:41] <Riddell> bambee: do you know how to use quilt?
[22:41] <yofel> Quintasan: are you going to put anything else on the kubuntu wiki?
[22:42] <Quintasan> let me edit it first and then tell you
[22:42] <bambee> Riddell: usually I use git or diff so nop
[22:42] <Riddell> bambee: quilt manages the patches in a package
[22:42] <Riddell> export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches
[22:42] <Riddell> then use quilt push and quilt pop  to make sure the patches are actually applied or not
[22:43] <Quintasan> yofel: any idea how do I insert images in Wiki?
[22:43] <bambee> Riddell: ok
[22:43] <yofel> Quintasan: err, upload as attachment and then use the attachment syntax
[22:43] <yofel> (I think)
[22:43] <Quintasan> oh damn
[22:43] <Quintasan> I totally forgot
[22:45] <Quintasan> Y U 400 ON ME WIKI?
[22:46] <Quintasan> yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon
[22:46] <Quintasan> looks horrible
[22:46] <Quintasan> needs image resizing from me
[22:47] <Quintasan> and, well, some sort of introduction but I can get this done on Monday as well
[22:47] <yofel> eeek yeah
[22:47] <Riddell> Quintasan: tsk, use wiki.kubuntu.org
[22:47] <yofel> Quintasan: copy the one from techbase maybe
[22:47] <Quintasan> copypasta? not my style
[22:47] <Quintasan> but for now if will be sufficient
[22:47] <yofel> ^^
[22:50] <Quintasan> yofel: nothing more from me as for now
[22:50] <valorie> Quintasan: you should have your wiki page with the rest of the wiki pages
[22:50] <Quintasan> urgh, what?
[22:51] <yofel> k, from me neither - most things work fine, so release it :)
[22:51] <valorie> oh, you do, ok
[22:52] <valorie> wth, wiki
[22:52] <valorie> slower than molasses
[23:00] <valorie> 500 internal error, so helpful
[23:01]  * yofel is off - good night
[23:04] <bambee> http://pastebin.com/9ZNduEjy   o_O
[23:04] <bambee> wtf ?
[23:05] <ScottK> Riddell: Reviewed owncloud (comments on REVU).
[23:05] <bambee> I followed these steps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Updating an Ubuntu Package
[23:15] <Riddell> bambee: I think quilt has got confused
[23:15] <Riddell> it's not uncommon
[23:15] <Riddell> I can fix it in a bit
[23:16] <bambee> confused about what ?
[23:22] <Riddell> bambee: confused about what patches are applied or not
[23:24] <bambee> arf
[23:27] <Riddell> bambee: do you want me to show you or shall I just sort it?
[23:28] <bambee> show me please
[23:31] <Riddell> bambee: is your ssh key on launchpad?  what's your account?
[23:31] <bambee> my lp id is bambi
[23:31] <bambee> and yes my ssh is on launchpad
[23:32] <Riddell> bambee: ssh ubuntu@ec2-184-73-87-171.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[23:33] <Riddell> screen -x
[23:34] <bambee> done
[23:34] <Riddell> bambee: can you see me installing stuff?
[23:35] <bambee> yes
[23:35] <bambee> it rocks :D
[23:36] <Riddell> bambee: ok so we have this package and it has two patches
[23:36] <Riddell> 01_no_debugfull_build.diff  debian-changes-2.0.6-0ubuntu1 
[23:37] <Riddell> the second patch just undoes the first one
[23:37] <Riddell> we want to get rid of the second one
[23:37] <Riddell> so first we need to unapply it
[23:37] <Riddell> bambee: run  quilt pop   in the screen session
[23:38] <Riddell> bambee: ok now edit debian/patches/series (with nano I guess) and remove the second patch
[23:38] <bambee> done
[23:38] <Riddell> bambee: groovy, now run debuild -S  to make the source package
[23:39] <bambee> w00t... 
[23:39] <Riddell> bah, you'll need to install cdbs and pkg-kde-tools
[23:39] <Riddell> once that's done check the debian.tar.gz to make sure no debian/patches/debianfoo patches have crept into it
[23:40] <Riddell> then you can scp the package files onto your local computer
[23:40] <Riddell> sign them with debsign *dsc
[23:40] <Riddell> sign them with debsign *changes actually
[23:40] <Riddell> then upload to revu
[23:40]  * Riddell out, good luck :)
[23:40] <bambee> thanks :)
[23:41] <ScottK> debfx: Congratulations.
[23:52] <afiestas__> Riddell: do you have time to test Kamoso on your "other pc" ?
[23:52] <afiestas__> a recent master or 2.0 should be fine
[23:57] <bambee> updated on revu ;)