[00:39] ryanakca: Do you have an email address for ofirk? [05:33] hi, the debian new maintaners guide says to be carefull when using postinst files, is there any other file that I could use to run my db maintainance after all is installed? [05:37] dantti, You want to run something *after* you finish installing the package? The postinst is the correct place to do that. Just be careful. [05:38] Key things to be careful about: you need to be able to run it over and over and over again, never crashing and never bothering the user. [05:38] For anything you do, you should have a plan to undo it, in case you ever need to transition to a different way of doing things. [05:39] And if the user makes changes to the system, you need to respect those changes, and not overwrite them the next time the package is upgraded. [05:40] persia: right, thanks.. [08:20] hey [08:23] morning [08:30] ScottK: you need appmenu-gtk for gtk apps to show in the widget [08:31] ScottK: maybe it could be added as a depends or recommends of plasma-widget-menubar? [09:48] A draft: http://imageupload.org/?di=15129741725412 (the default mode is "select", it's just a example) [09:48] (don't worry, it's not finished yet) [09:52] bambee: one obvious problem is that language-selector (qt, not gtk) has three UI modes, which is hard to put into kcontrol modules [09:55] bug 716311 [09:55] Launchpad bug 716311 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "flash not installed" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716311 [09:56] why might kpackagekit not be installing flash? [09:57] is this a new bug? [09:57] I've been noticing for the last 24+ hours, that flash no longer works [09:57] although it's reported to be installed [09:57] there was an update 40 hours ago in security [09:57] that would be it, then [09:58] mhhh I could uses tabs... however I've to modify QtLanguageSelector for that... [09:58] html5 didn't work either [09:58] use * [09:59] bambee: that would work yes [09:59] for example: first tab "install/uninstall" , second tab "select" [09:59] interesting bug report [10:00] bambee: well as it stands it would need to be 1) install 2) uninstall 3) select [10:02] Riddell: ping [10:03] hi Quintasan|Droid [10:03] Riddell: Hiho, I want to push out Project Neon after the meeting, can you make some sort of blog post magic on Planet KDE? [10:04] Riddell: I agree, but install and uninstall modes have exactly the same GUI (except a pushbutton label) [10:04] that's why I proposed to put them together in the same tab :) [10:05] bambee: are you up for Telepathy stuff any soon? [10:05] I think guys over there are about to make real GUI for it [10:07] Quintasan|Droid: he's busy with lanugage-selector just now [10:07] bambee: same GUI but showing different things (one shows languages installed, one shows languages available for install) [10:07] Riddell: oh, that's good anyways [10:08] Quintasan|Droid: late this evening? I think having a dot story would be good, valorie was going to work on that [10:08] although it probably needs other dot editors to agree, Nightrose what do you think of a dot story for project neon? [10:08] I will write one if everything is ready to go [10:08] or help with one if that's preferable [10:09] Quintasan|Droid: yes I'm [10:09] valorie: it is ready to go, it wont be stable at any point in its life so :P [10:09] IF techbase is up to date so I can consult it' [10:09] Riddell: no objection from my side but i'm not unbiased ;-) [10:09] Riddell: indeed [10:10] right, I'm talking about the fluff around it, like documentation, nice image, etc. [10:10] valorie: techbase page was updated by yofel [10:10] valorie: I can provide screenshots once I get home [10:10] or are you re-using the old Project Neon graphic? [10:10] We will get new one from sheytan at some point [10:10] for a dot story it's nice to have a snazzy graphic [10:11] Quintasan|Droid: After language-selector yes [10:11] bambee: Great! [10:11] and I've to help shadeslayer too :) [10:12] :O [10:12] cool, I'll start on the article before I go to bed [10:13] valorie: thanks, I will get some screenshots once I finish school and poke sheytan for art [10:13] * Quintasan|Droid will polish up his blog post too [10:13] okey-doke [10:13] We need re-dent festival too :) [10:28] the techbase page still has the under construction tag on it [10:29] I know, I'll remove that later, haven't tested if the translations instructions work [10:29] okey-doke [10:29] everything else is updated [10:29] cool [10:52] gah, I keep missing Quintasan :| [10:52] can someone tell him I'm looking for him? :) [11:11] anybody have quintasan's email? [11:11] googledocs ate my article, so I re-wrote and will send it to him and shadeslayer [11:14] valorie: it did? googledocs is usually pretty good with undo and revision control [11:15] valorie: I can't recreate this flash issue in maverick, you just did a general upgrade with kpackagekit and it stopped working? [11:16] yes, but I think the bug workaround fixed it [11:16] let me try a youtube [11:16] valorie: bug workaround being to use apt-get? [11:17] yes [11:17] no, it didn't work [11:17] it says it has to install plugins, looks [11:17] I say fine, then it reports that it is already installed [11:17] rinse, repeat [11:18] no youtube in FF [11:18] this is Mav, yes, with KDE 4.6 [11:19] Quintasan_: hi [11:19] Quintasan: email sent to you, and now I'm off to bed [11:19] darn [11:19] piffle [11:19] lol [11:19] still going to bed! [11:20] hehe === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:50] hey all, I'm trying to add some very simple test cases to check language packs are fine before we release updates. Could someone give me a hand by filling the "Kubuntu" section under "Packages to test"? [11:51] they can just be equivalent to the Ubuntu ones, but with the Kubuntu apps [11:51] dpm: can do, where's that? [11:52] Riddell, sorry, forgot the most important part, here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA [11:52] thanks [11:58] agateau: It looks like appmenu-gtk pulls in a pretty heavy set of depends for us: http://paste.ubuntu.com/565810/ - Could you speak with your compatriots and see if that's all really necessary? [11:58] (I'm pretty sure we don't have room for all that) [12:01] dpm: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA#Kubuntu [12:03] Riddell, excellent, thanks! === ximion1 is now known as ximion === hunger_ is now known as hunger [12:36] hi rbelem [12:44] hi Riddell [12:44] :) [12:45] are there open positions on canonical? :) [12:46] :D [12:50] I've heard the suggestion that Canonical should just buy Qt.. [12:51] roflol [12:53] Riddell, i bet it would be on a discount, now that nokia has decided to join hands with microsoft. [12:57] I've heard the suggestion that Canonical should just buy Qt.. [12:57] ROFLMAO [12:57] tazz: true dat [12:57] valorie: google docs ate your article? i thought it was well fed by Google so as not to eat stuff [12:58] dantti: any thoughts on bug 716311 ? seems like packagekitd is corrupting the postinst script randomly [12:58] too bad Nokia is going for WP7 shit [12:58] Launchpad bug 716311 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "flash not installed" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716311 [13:03] no Qt on Windodws doesn't help either [13:03] *Windows [13:03] good grief ... i spelled windows wrong .... FOSS has consumed me [13:06] Riddell, that would be awesome [13:06] :) [13:21] Riddell: I thought it was fixed by colin, no? [13:21] bug 680328 is marked as fixed [13:21] Launchpad bug 680328 in qapt (Ubuntu Natty) "Many postinst scripts fail using either PackageKit, or QApt" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680328 [13:31] dantti: hmm, but not fixed in maverick? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === ximion is now known as ximion1 === ximion1 is now known as ximion [13:38] Riddell: hmm I don't think so, sorry for being away these time, next week I'll be living abroad and I'm rushing to deploy an application that I developed... [13:41] dantti: ok but this flash upgrade bug is probably caused by bug 680328 and we should backport that fix? [13:41] Launchpad bug 680328 in qapt (Ubuntu Natty) "Many postinst scripts fail using either PackageKit, or QApt" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680328 [13:42] Riddell: yes, I think it would be a good idea to backport since as Colin said he does not know how this worked on maverick :P [13:43] thanks dantti, good luck deploying and moving [13:43] Riddell: thanks :) [13:57] Riddell: btw I'm deploying kubuntu togheter :P [13:58] dantti: oh? what sort of deployment? [13:59] Riddell: it's a qt app that I did I can run on windows, but the advantes of linux made the client chose for linux of course :P [13:59] *it [14:00] my biggest problem are lowmem pcs and small screen 800x660 :P [14:00] not counting they are monochromatic [14:04] where is sheytan when we need him the most [14:13] valorie: can we haz some fame? possibly mention our names in the article? :P [14:16] apart from that we don't have a banner yet .... [14:16] everything else looks fine [14:17] ( maybe mention the issue's one might face after installing Neon ) [14:30] shadeslayer: valorie is asleep, I think if you want the article you should edit as you wish then submit to the dot [14:30] ah ok [14:30] Riddell: btw we are still working on a banner ^_^ [14:54] DarkwingDuck: going to become a website editor? [14:54] DarkwingDuck: fixing bug 712880 means finding the drupal theme bzr branch, editing that then getting sysadmin to merge [14:55] Launchpad bug 712880 in Kubuntu Website "False claims on kubuntu.org/feature-tour webpage" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712880 [14:55] Yeah... [14:56] I figured as much. [14:57] Riddell: Ofirk had emailed me around the first of the year asking if I would be willing to help out a bit. I have about 15 years of web dev [14:58] Riddell: that system to get sometihng working seems a bit... silly. [14:59] DarkwingDuck: I don't know why the theme was made that way (with content directly in the theme instead of in drupal content) but that's what we're stuck with until ofirk/sheytan's new design appears [15:00] and since ofir seems generally very annoyed with our sysadmins for being unresponsive that may never happen [15:02] Riddell: That made my head hurt. I don't know why we don't just write in a drupal module that will authenticate users with openID via launchpad... [15:11] DarkwingDuck: well for news we do use drupal content but for some reason ofir made the theme with some pages directly in the theme [15:11] I expect it's fixable to anyone who knows anything about drupal and theme [15:11] themes [15:13] Riddell: I have a few years expirence working with drupal. I'll email ofir and see what all I can help with after I'm finished pluggin gout docs. [15:13] *Plugging out [15:14] DarkwingDuck: at a guess he'd probably want the new theme finished rather than the current one updated [15:17] Riddell: while I agree that a new theme would be nice, having a way to add/maintain content would be really nice too [15:18] Hey NCommander long time no see [15:19] huh? [15:19] 10:20:06 -!- NCommander [~mcasadeva@184.154.102.89] has joined #kubuntu-devel [15:19] ... [15:19] I have not seen you around in a while. [15:19] but I didn't go anywhere ... [15:20] I've just been idealling mostly [15:20] 10:20:06 -!- NCommander [~mcasadeva@184.154.102.89] has joined #kubuntu-devel [15:20] ARGH [15:20] DarkwingDuck: yes [15:22] Riddell: and I know that there is a way to log into Drupal via OpenID. [15:22] What just happened? [15:22] DarkwingDuck: I don't think OpenID has anything to do with it === NCommander is now known as Guest28688 [15:23] we have a way to log in to the website and add content, it's the theme that is the problem [15:23] freenode decided to split, it's doing a partnership with Microsoft I expect [15:23] Riddell: Do you know what the issues with the theme is? [15:23] hehehe [15:24] DarkwingDuck: that the theme hardcodes content for a page rather than showing what the normal drupal content for the page should be [15:24] ahhhhhhhh [15:25] Riddell: with the admin functions to add content do you also have the other admin access for drupal? [15:26] DarkwingDuck: yes [15:27] I can give you the access details if you want [15:27] DarkwingDuck: I think the theme is at https://code.launchpad.net/~klinger-ofir/kubuntu-website-staging/release-1.0 [15:27] Riddell: That would be nice. This way I can see backdoor what is happening with the theme [15:40] Riddell: was there wa scheduled outage for Kubuntu.org servers? [15:40] DarkwingDuck: no, why? [15:40] Riddell: I'm running ito loads of timeouts and connection errors [15:41] Riddell: btw i see no Copy Image in rekonq source code, just Copy image location in src/webview.cpp [15:41] Riddell: The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. [15:41] but during runtime it's there [15:42] DarkwingDuck: wiki? [15:42] oh [15:42] i have that as well [15:42] all pf kubuntu.org [15:42] s/pf/of [15:42] yeah [15:42] same thing here [15:53] * DarkwingDuck grumbles [16:01] DarkwingDuck doesn't grumble. He get the job clumsily done! [16:02] hehehe [16:05] Someone uses kmess , or I'm just the only one ? :P [16:05] * bambee hides [16:06] kmess-2.0.4 in universe has a strange bug: disconnect from the server just after login [16:06] see http://kmess.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4585&start=30 [16:06] then http://gitorious.org/kmess/kmess/commit/dcfbfdae846f9103fd7bd3acffec70ab729898bc [16:07] bambee: if that patch fixes it then it would be good to have in natty and as a stable release update [16:08] indeed [16:09] it works for 2.0.5, I'll test with 2.0.4 [16:09] (just in case) [16:10] bambee: if there's a 2.0.5 out it would be good to have that packaged too [16:10] in this case package the lastest stable release which is 2.0.6 :) [16:11] even better [16:11] ;) [16:48] Riddell: I see from the release menu that we'll have LibreOffice globalmenu support soon. That makes me think even more we need to ship appmenu-gtk since it's part of our default package selection. [16:48] agateau: ^^^ [16:48] ScottK: makes sense [16:48] agateau: Did you see my ping earlier about all the depends it pulls in? [16:49] I wonder if this will trickle down and hurt... http://goo.gl/9xhou [16:49] ScottK: yes, but I just had a look at the list, and I don't think anything can be removed: libc6 (>= 2.2.5), libdbusmenu-glib3, libdbusmenu-gtk3, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.26.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.21.2-0ubuntu6) [16:49] ScottK: what do you think can be dropped from there? [16:49] agateau: There's atk getting pulled in somehow. [16:50] http://paste.ubuntu.com/565810/ [16:50] ScottK: maybe libgtk depends on it? [16:50] Maybe. [16:50] It just seemed like a lot for appmenu-gtk to need. [16:50] Riddell: Mind if I go ahead and seed it? [16:51] ScottK: have you worked out what it brings in? [16:51] ScottK: yes, libgtk depends on libatk [16:51] and how much space that takes? [16:51] Riddell: Soo my pastebin. [16:51] It's ~4MB compressed in .debs [16:51] yuck [16:51] So I'd guess about that in squashfs [16:53] Riddell: I'd seed it !powerpc so it'd all fit. [16:54] I'd rather not lose a language for the sake of a rare usecase with a foreign toolkit [16:55] libgtk2.0-0 is already on the cd [16:55] but these aren't http://paste.ubuntu.com/565810/ [16:55] I'd actually prefer to use kubuntu-notification-helper to prompt for it if the menu plasma widget is being used [16:55] they are [16:56] except the dbusmenu packages [16:56] let me fire up a virtualbox and check [17:06] http://paste.kde.org/4526/ that's more like it [17:07] ScottK: so aye, I guess you can add it, but as ever I consider gtk on the CD to be a bug so any chance I get I'll remove it again :) [17:08] Thanks. [17:12] Riddell: I ~agree about gtk on the CD, OTOH I also think a user having to know what language an application is written in to get it to work right is even more of a bug. === nuno__ is now known as slug [17:35] Riddell: btw I bumped kmess on my desktop, it works just fine :) [17:35] no changes in dependencies are required (diff -u oldCmakelist.txt newCmakelist.txt > empty) === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube === mfraz74_ is now known as mfraz74 [18:49] debfx: When are we meeting to interview you? [19:03] ScottK: 22:00 UTC [19:03] Ah. So I'm -0500, so I doubt I'll be around. [19:16] agateau: http://notalwaysright.com/giving-the-french-stick/10042 [19:52] Do we have any good kubuntu/KDE presentations built? [20:00] DarkwingDuck: PS: the kubuntu-website team is pretty much defunct, as for ofir's email, you should be able to find it on his LP page. [20:02] ryanakca: I had dug it up... I have been playing with drupal and themeing for a few years now so maybe after the Doc push I can sit back and play with the site and help where I can., [20:04] As for Kubuntu presentations, yes; good, no. I don't know if its still on the live CD but we used to have a "what is Kubuntu?" slideshow in the example content [20:07] I'm doing a talk about Kubuntu and KDE at SCALE's Ubucon at the end of the month. [20:10] So I'm just looking for something to modify as I am not so great generating content. [20:26] apachelogger: ping [20:33] DarkwingDuck: afaik apachelogger had some on his blog [20:34] Yeah, I was digging that. [20:34] We killed HAL in 11.04 correct? [20:34] yep [20:34] is gitorious down ? @_@ [20:35] What replaced HAL? [20:35] * DarkwingDuck needs to go through months of notes [20:42] DarkwingDuck: pure udev [20:44] maco: aye, I found my notes. [20:44] I'll upload and populate this presentation when I'm finished writing it. [21:10] sheytan_: dude [21:10] around? [21:11] shadeslayer yep :) === sheytan_ is now known as sheytan [21:11] sheytan: we need a banner for PN [21:11] size? [21:12] sheytan: it needs to go on dot.kde.org [21:12] so it's up to you :) [21:13] shadeslayer give me 5 minutes ;) [21:13] sure :) [21:15] sheytan: something blue please :P [21:15] i'll bbiab [21:15] and fluffy. [21:15] apachelogger would want it to be fluffy. [21:15] wait .. Fluffy Neon [21:15] :D [21:15] shadeslayer will not be blue :P [21:15] blue is every where [21:16] :P [21:16] i'm tired of blue :D [21:23] apachelogger: ok so it works fine [21:23] my patch [21:23] i don't see what's wrong with it [21:23] ooh [21:23] shadeslayer http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2591/pnbanner.png [21:23] apachelogger: the download dialog comes up 2 times [21:24] sheytan: put everyday at the end [21:24] something new everyday [21:24] and make it glow more :P [21:27] glow more no [21:27] to much glow is bad :D [21:27] :D [21:27] http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/9782/pnbanner3.png [21:28] nice :D [21:28] thanks ;) [21:29] ;) === drdanz_ is now known as drdanz [21:37] night all [21:38] night [21:38] bambee: yo [21:38] do you have the new kmess package for us to upload? [21:39] yup [21:39] bambee: where can I get it? [21:39] It builds and works just fine here [21:40] Riddell: I'll send you an email , ok ? [21:40] bambee: hmm, I'm not a fan or large e-mail attachments [21:41] bambee: better to file a bug and attach to that on launchpad [21:41] s/or/of/ [21:41] Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [21:41] ok [21:41] or upload to revu [21:41] Riddell: revu is a good idea [21:42] do you have access? I'm not sure what you need to do to get upload access to revu these days [21:42] reminds me, review needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/owncloud [21:42] * Riddell eyes up maco [21:42] in a view to getting her to review it, not a harassment sort of way [21:43] hahaha [21:43] im at work deary [21:43] Riddell: I've (I'm registered and I can upload using dput ) [21:43] bambee: groovy, go for it [21:43] i'll take a look at home [21:44] as I said no dependencies changes are required, I just refreshed the patch and the changelog [21:47] Riddell: done [21:47] (i.e uploaded) [21:57] shadeslayer tell when when the article will be up ;) [21:58] shadeslayer: me too please ;) [22:00] where's the meeting? [22:01] hi [22:01] let's meet here [22:01] debfx: ping [22:01] Riddell: pong [22:01] apachelogger: JontheEchidna Quintasan nixternal ScottK kubuntu-dev ping [22:02] pong [22:02] groovy, two of us [22:02] * DarkwingDuck grins [22:02] well debfx, could you introduce yourself and tell us why you want to be in kubuntu-dev? [22:03] Riddell may i join as kubuntu-member too? :D [22:04] pong [22:04] * Quintasan is late a big [22:04] sheytan: yes, but this is a kubuntu-dev meeting which is a slightly different group than kubuntu-member [22:04] I'm Felix, 22 years old and studying computer science [22:05] I'd like to become a kubuntu-dev to help make Kubuntu better and not constantly bother sponsors to upload my packages ;) [22:05] debfx: are you in MOTU or another dev group? [22:05] Quintasan: your turn to do a grilling :) [22:05] yes, I'm a MOTU [22:06] I can't miss that :D [22:06] Quintasan: ping [22:06] pong [22:06] darn, lets take to PM [22:06] debfx: do you know what the difference in responsibility is between MOTU and kubuntu-dev? [22:08] Riddell: universe consist mostly of unseeded packages so screwing up there doesn't affect that many users [22:08] yep :) [22:09] JontheEchidna, Quintasan: think of taxing questions for debfx [22:09] debfx: what's is a watch file good for? [22:09] Riddell: Sorry, multipe people at once want something from me :P [22:09] Riddell: to easily check for new upstream versions [22:09] debfx: What are post and pre inst and rm scripts used for? [22:09] debfx: how does a watch file reveal a new upsteam version? [22:10] * Riddell does actually know the answer to this question [22:11] Quintasan: to run code before the package is installed/removed [22:12] Riddell: uscan parses the watch file, does a http/ftp request and evaluates a regex [22:12] so we run uscan manually? is that easier than just checking the upstream website? why don't we do that automatically? [22:13] debfx: how did you learn packaging? [22:14] we have a website that runs it automatically [22:14] we do? [22:14] yes, UEHS [22:14] http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/uehs/ [22:14] I have a question, I'll wait to ask until other questions have been answered though [22:15] debfx: How do we deal with packages that overwrite files which are already in different packages? [22:15] Riddell: mostly learning by doing, looking at other packages and reading some documentation [22:15] ooh that's interesting, that really needs to be publicised better [22:16] unfortunately UEHS doesn't allow to subscribe to a package (like in Debian) [22:16] yeah, news to me as well [22:16] debfx++ [22:16] * JontheEchidna knew about it <.< [22:16] qa.ubuntuwire.org is a neat website [22:16] uhes aside [22:17] Quintasan: we add a Breaks and Replaces on the package that takes over the file [22:17] Is this a valid rules file for the latest version of debhelper? http://paste.ubuntu.com/566077/ [22:17] JontheEchidna: no, $@ needs to be the first parameter [22:17] yup [22:17] I was waiting for that :D [22:18] debfx: one more from me, why do we have *.symbols file and what they do? [22:20] Quintasan: so we know when a symbol was dropped (without an SONAME bump) and to allow packages using the library to depend on the minimal version it needs [22:20] no more stuff from me :) [22:20] Quintasan: they list all symbols in the library and the version in which the symbols appeared first [22:20] debfx: feature freeze happens in a couple of weeks, can we upload new upstream versions after that? [22:20] debfx: PROTIP: beware of apacheloggers questions :P [22:21] Riddell: yes, if they are bugfix only versions [22:22] or if we have a good reason and a freeze exception [22:23] JontheEchidna, Quintasan: any other questions? [22:23] nope [22:23] Quintasan: so we need to close the meeting before he appears ;) [22:23] debfx: He will get you on ML later so no worries :P [22:23] I've been sponsoring debfx's packages for quite a while and have no worries [22:23] nope [22:23] I'm +1 for knowing lots about packaging and doing a variety of useful things [22:23] I haven't been sponsoring any stuff maybe because I just joined but I saw quality stuff from him [22:24] so, +1 [22:24] I can also reveal that ScottK gave a +1 without grilling him at all [22:24] JontheEchidna: so that's a +1? [22:24]