[02:19] <FloridaGuy> when will kde 4.6.0 go from backports to the main repo
[02:21] <coz_> oo hey guys... am I seeing this correctly?/ it;s ok to update with nvidia?
[02:22] <coz_> ho nevermind   I guess not
[02:24] <delt> uh... natty-desktop-i386.iso gave me a black screen with the kde mouse that i could move around, now the "recommended" kubuntu-10.10-desktop-i386.iso just freezes with 2 keyboard leds flashing (caps,num)
[02:25] <delt> *sigh* trying kubuntu-10.04.1-desktop-i386.iso ......
[02:27] <delt> can't be defective CPU -or- memory, unless maybe the memtest included on the cd is sabotaged to NOT report errors
[02:29] <delt> suggestions...?
[02:33] <charlie-tca> report a kernel panic
[02:37] <delt> good idea.
[02:37] <delt> hello, i'd report a kernel panic caused by your shitty software
[02:38] <delt> thanks a lot
[02:41] <rww> It amazes me how averse users of unstable development versions of software are to actually reporting bugs.
[02:44] <charlie-tca> yes, somewhere along the way they miss the "it is alpha, unstable, and subject to breaking" too
[02:58] <charlie-tca> anyone available to verify a bug in firefox 4.0b11 ?
[04:22] <throughnothing> howdy, is anyone using couchdb in natty?
[04:52] <Spirits-Sight> has the issue with nvidia been fixed
[07:34] <zzillezz> hmm can't install firefox :(
[07:34] <zzillezz> " trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop', which is also in package kubuntu-firefox-installer 11.04ubuntu1 "
[07:34] <susundberg> bug in package :/
[07:35] <susundberg> try to remove installer and then install the real thing?
[07:35] <zzillezz> alright, let's try :)
[07:37] <zzillezz> susundberg: it worked :-)
[07:37] <zzillezz> thanks
[07:37] <susundberg> \o/
[07:37] <zzillezz> :)
[13:18] <qzio> is it just me or is there a bug in gnome-terminal? the menu bar is there by default, even though i've turned it off, and if I have multiple terminal's open, and view->showmenu bar  toggle all the other will still have it, and if i do on a second one, the first will get it back.
[14:55] <genii-around> Hm. "changelog is a binary file. See it anyway?"
[14:58] <Pici> Thats weird.
[15:43] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[15:44] <pr0ph3t> do you have a nautilus menu bar at the top of the desktop in classic ubuntu desktop or is it just me?
[16:34] <kukuNut> kubuntu just blank screen+ white mouse. any idea to recover? got rid of .kde but no luck. ready to reinstall daily but got the same from live cd
[16:36] <kukuNut> ati card with radeon driver
[16:37] <kukuNut> kubuntu+1 users?
[16:41] <brot> kukuNut: what card do you have?
[16:42] <kukuNut> brot ati card and using the radeon driver
[16:42] <brot> kukuNut: like ati only sells one card right now.
[16:42] <kukuNut> am guessing plasma is borked?
[16:44] <yofel> works for me currently with nvdia and nouveau, I didn't restart kde after that last updates today though
[16:47] <kukuNut> yofel: could go straight to 'install' instead of 'try' but hate it if I get the same after :(
[16:48] <yofel> does krunner work? if yes you could check in ~/.xsession-errors where it failed
[16:48] <yofel> or check from a tty
[16:48] <kukuNut> yofel: nothing works if you mean alt+f2?
[16:48] <yofel> yeah, alt+f2, then check from tty
[16:48] <kukuNut> kdm from a tty is the same
[16:49] <yofel> and what does .xsession-errors say?
[16:50] <kukuNut> ah have to check that. but looks like x is ok except that I just see black screen. mouse is working
[16:50] <kukuNut> am in a 10/04 right now
[16:54] <kukuNut> yofel: mostly nepomuk/soprano stuff
[16:55] <yofel> no idea then
[16:56] <kukuNut> yofel: thanks anyway..
[17:25] <hv> is it possible to get natty without unity at the moment?
[17:25] <KuKuNut> yofel: kubuntu at least for me is not playing well with ati card?
[17:26] <KuKuNut> yofel: was able to recover but with lubuntu-core
[17:26] <hv> (compiz 0.9.x without unity, with working indicator applets)
[17:28] <charlie-tca> hv: choose classic session (no effect) at login
[17:29] <charlie-tca> gets you Natty without unity and compiz
[17:33] <hv> charlie-tca: without compiz? how about compiz without unity (and builtin panels)?
[17:51] <Daekdroom> hv, choose Classic Session
[17:51] <Daekdroom> hv, the (No effect) makes it use metacity instead of compiz.
[18:19] <coz_> hey all
[18:34] <cousin_mario> hello
[18:35] <cousin_mario> I've tried running Unity on VirtualBox with no luck. Are there plans to support it?
[18:36] <zniavre_> vbox 4 is supposed to but it does not work here
[18:36] <cousin_mario> neither here, that's why I'm asking:/
[20:16] <jmgalloway> anyone know why the ubuntu freezes at the language selection screen?
[20:29] <orbisvicis> can someone do me a favor, run ls -lah /dev/audio, ls -lah /dev/input/event0, and getfacl /dev/input/event0 ?
[20:30] <orbisvicis> (im not on ubuntu, but I want to see how it does something)
[20:32] <orbisvicis> then check in /lib/udev/rules.d/70-acl.rules to see if anything matches KERNEL=="event*", SUBSYSTEM=="input" ?
[21:20] <nailora> i just upgraded from maverick to natty and was left behind with no working bootloader. are there any related known problems?
[21:21] <nailora> i did not really try to debug it but used an old cd to install a grub 1 bootloader.
[21:44] <FloridaGuy> upgraded kubuntu 10.10 to 11.04...everything was fine until i installed nvidia in 11.04..now 11.04 wont boot
[21:47] <yofel> FloridaGuy: there is no working nvidia driver for our x server
[21:48] <yofel> drop to tty, apt-get remove nvidia-current (or what you installed) - delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf and reboot
[21:49] <FloridaGuy> yofel: then why is there nvidia drivers..displayed in jockey...and how can i remove them when it wont boot
[21:50] <FloridaGuy> or show i do xorg while im in the live cd
[21:50] <yofel> I just told you how to remove them (you get to tty with ctrl+alt+f2 from frozen screen, maybe press alt+print+k first)
[21:51] <yofel> and the nvidia drivers shouldn't be installable - or that bug still isn't fixed..
[21:51] <FloridaGuy> yofel: can i install nvidia from nvidia web site
[21:51] <yofel> no
[21:52] <yofel> neither supported, nor does the current beta driver work
[21:52] <yofel> watch the x-updates PPA - that'll have a working driver as soon as nvidia releases one
[21:52] <FloridaGuy> whats the problem that nvidia doest work
[21:53] <yofel> the driver isn't abi compatible with current X server 1.10 - they need to update their binary driver
[21:53] <FloridaGuy> ok
[21:54] <FloridaGuy> so wouldent it be best..to keep what works with everything..until the other is updated
[21:55] <yofel> well yeah, you can keep the old xserver packages back together with nvidia
[21:56] <FloridaGuy> should i delete this one to... xorg.conf.failsafe
[22:00] <yofel> FloridaGuy: xorg.conf should be enough
[22:00] <FloridaGuy> k
[22:01] <FloridaGuy> thanks
[22:10] <FloridaGuy> yofel: got nvidia out now....now im back on the distro..11.04....you said i could put old xserver back to use nvidia
[22:10] <ktosiek> Hi! There is collision between nvidia-current an xorg in natty
[22:11] <ktosiek> is there any way around it?
[22:11] <yofel> well, downgrading is a bit hard..
[22:11] <yofel> ktosiek: not yet
[22:11] <FloridaGuy> yofel: xorg wasent installed but i installed it
[22:11] <yofel> FloridaGuy: you could add maverick sources and downgrade X using that - but you would have to downgrade a lot... rather stick to nouveau
[22:12] <yofel> it's easy if you have an old natty install and just keep the packages back, but backwards is complicated
[22:12] <ktosiek> yofel: would it work if I changed nvidia-current to not claim providing "xserver-xorg-video-8"?
[22:12] <Volkodav> Does nouveau support dual head ?
[22:12] <yofel> ktosiek: no - as nvidia doesn't have any driver that works either currently
[22:13] <yofel> ktosiek: watch the x-updates PPA for a driver newer than 270.18
[22:13] <ktosiek> thanks!
[22:13] <FloridaGuy> if that the case i better off going back to 10.10
[22:13] <yofel> should be out soon -- I hope!
[22:13] <rww> huzzah proprietary software
[22:13] <yofel> rww: nvidia works - nouveau doesn't
[22:18] <ktosiek> python curses looks broken
[22:18] <ktosiek> it segfaults when starting canto :-/
[22:20] <rww> yofel: given the people talking about nvidia-current, this statement confuses me :\
[22:21]  * rww shrugs, buys ATI anyway and <3 -radeon
[22:21] <yofel> well, nvidia does sometimes break with new X - but when it work then it works fine
[22:22] <yofel> as for nouveau - that freezes at a random time between 20s and 6h on my notebook - which makes it pretty unusable
[23:58] <rmcbride> nouveau doesn't recognize the HDMI attached external monitor on my laptop, OR the native resolution for the laptop's own display, so its absolutely unusable for me
[23:58] <rmcbride> (filed bugs on both last week)