[05:32] <ray_> Hello
[05:33] <ray_> I will be back
[06:54] <ray_> OK, I am back. Is there anyone here?
[07:07] <ray_> Hello
[07:54] <ray_> Hello
[14:47] <doctormo> thorwil: Caused a bit of a panic there on the mailing list
[14:52] <thorwil> doctormo: can't stand too much harmony :}
[14:53] <doctormo> thorwil: She does get a little whiny in the first season.
[14:56] <thorwil> in some design schools, it's not uncommon that students are brought to tears in entry courses. even where things are handled much more gently, criticism still is rigorous and straight to the point.
[14:56] <thorwil> if not, they are doing it wrong!
[14:59] <thorwil> how to marry that with "everyone is a born artist" and "we're all cuddly fluffy bunnies welcoming everyone and everything nice in our circle of happy-joy-love"?
[18:19] <coz_> hey all
[18:28] <thorwil> aloha
[18:37]  * darkmatter throws several unwanted pixels at coz_
[18:38] <coz_> darkmatter,  hey guy
[18:38] <darkmatter> o/
[18:38] <coz_> darkmatter,  I removed all of my music from that site    I dont like it much   I may go to  tunecore instead
[18:39] <coz_> darkmatter,  and audio is different than artwork,,, in my eyes
[18:39] <darkmatter> I see. so soundcloud, umm... "blows chunks", or some similar metaphor?
[18:40] <coz_> darkmatter,  well...although "all rights reserved"  is on the site  tunecore offers  sale of music via  itunes and amazon etc  ...although you have to pay for submission  ,, it makes more sense to me
[18:40] <darkmatter> ahhh
[18:42] <coz_> darkmatter,  besides ,, even if I get only 1 sale  it still money :)
[18:42] <darkmatter> hehe
[18:42]  * darkmatter is actually going to start some real work on a few apps today :O
[18:47] <coz_> darkmatter,  you always do real work :)
[18:47] <darkmatter> coz_: lol. sometimes
[18:47] <darkmatter> when I feel up to it
[18:48] <coz_> darkmatter,  yep I understand
[18:50] <darkmatter> coz_: switched to empathy. in general I like it better than pidgin, but it needs extraneous message suppression, general irc persistence (so I can close the bloody chat windows, lol), and more informative messages for "I wanna be your friend" IM moments :P
[18:50] <darkmatter> but it's pretty decent, plus facebook actually works with it
[18:51] <coz_> darkmatter,  ok  .. I done really use Im much
[18:52] <darkmatter> coz_: I kinda have to, half my contacts are oblivious to irc xD
[18:52] <coz_> ah ok :)
[18:54] <darkmatter> coz_: i'm going for a simple user-level naming scheme for my defaults, regardless of actual application names (as originally intended)
[18:54] <coz_> cool...this is good ...yes?
[18:54] <darkmatter> basically I'm flipping the bird to the ecosystem. screw branding, its evil
[18:56] <darkmatter> coz_: so a browser = "Web", email client= "Mail", address book="Contacts" etc. third party stuff can do what it wants, but defaults are getting debranded :P
[18:56] <coz_> cool
[18:57] <darkmatter> coz_: not "innovative" by any means, it's been done ad infinitum, just not on "traditional" OS's
[18:57] <darkmatter> but it makes sense from a "get stuff done" perspective
[18:58] <coz_> absolutely
[18:59] <darkmatter> coz_: I _tried_ suggesting that in gnome-design once upon a blue moon, I got the "it's contrary to the ecosystem" argument. lol. I'm sorry, but users are more important than corporate or project brandin
[18:59] <darkmatter> g*
[18:59] <coz_> darkmatter,  did you expect something other than that?  :)
[19:00] <darkmatter> coz_: no, not really. lol
[19:00] <coz_> :)
[19:02] <coz_> darkmatter,   I am going in and out on irc ,, I am not feeling well ...so I may just  log off  unexpectedly
[19:03] <darkmatter> coz_: I'm planning to be a jerk and registering third party software as such if the user sets it as default :D
[19:03] <darkmatter> kk
[19:05] <darkmatter> so, say you have a generic "doodle' entry (not that I'd call it that lol, just sake of argument) for graphics work. you install bloatoshop and set it as default. it gets re-registered as "doodle" ;)
[19:06] <coz_> oh!
[19:07] <darkmatter> you still have an "applications" thing for everything else. but yor "common tools" get generic entries so you don't have to think. lol
[19:07] <coz_> cool
[19:08] <darkmatter> coz_: instead of having to browse/search/change categories for doing stuff
[19:08] <coz_> darkmatter,  sounds reasonable to me :)
[19:09] <darkmatter> coz_: and everything will get tied together by Mercury (kinda like a secondary messaging bus, more of a helper really)
[19:09] <coz_> cool...way to complex for me to comprehend :)
[19:10] <darkmatter> coz_: at a technical level only. the complexity is for conceptual simplicity. lack of thought where it matters (what the user sees and does)
[19:10] <coz_> darkmatter,  a much more important focus i believe...as is  accessibility
[19:10] <darkmatter> to really simplify you need that backend work, instead of just burying crap
[19:11] <coz_> ok I need to break here,,, still not feeling 100%