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| carson | hello | 16:17 |
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| Mathiasbk | b | 16:20 |
| Mathiasbk | hey | 16:26 |
| robbiew | o/ | 17:29 |
| robbiew | don't want to be "tardy for the party" | 17:29 |
| jono | hi everyone! | 17:31 |
| jono | alrighty, I think we are nearly ready for the Q+A | 17:31 |
| jono | today we have an awesome guest | 17:31 |
| jono | he is Robbie Williamson who leads the Ubuntu Server Team | 17:31 |
| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Sessions in #ubuntu-classroom, chat and questions releated to sessions here || Upcoming Schedule in #ubuntu-classroom: https://is.gd/8rtIi || Preface questions with QUESTION: Current Session: Q and A with Robbie Williamson, Server Engineering Manager - Instructors: robbiew | ||
| * robbiew also leads Foundations ;) | 17:31 | |
| jono | so today feel free to ask all your questions about Ubuntu Server, the cloud, and the future :-) | 17:31 |
| ClassBot | Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/11/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session. | 17:32 |
| jono | ahhh | 17:32 |
| jono | couldnt speak for a second there :-) | 17:32 |
| jono | asking a question is simple: | 17:32 |
| jono | ask your questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat and prefix every questions with 'QUESTION' | 17:32 |
| jono | e.g.: | 17:32 |
| jono | QUESTION: What new features are coming in Ubuntu Server in 11.04? | 17:33 |
| jono | I will cut and paste the questions in here for robbiew | 17:33 |
| jono | alrighty, let's give it a few minutes for you folks to add some questions and then lets get going | 17:33 |
| jono | come on folks, feel free to add your questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat :-) | 17:35 |
| jono | <m4n1sh> Question: Any statistics of what % of EC2 instances run Ubuntu server? | 17:36 |
| jono | robbiew, ^ | 17:36 |
| robbiew | a lot | 17:36 |
| robbiew | :) | 17:36 |
| robbiew | all joking aside | 17:36 |
| robbiew | Amazon doesn't reveal those numbers | 17:37 |
| robbiew | so it's hard for us to really say | 17:37 |
| robbiew | there are other organizations out there who attempt to count | 17:37 |
| robbiew | and we typically lead the pack | 17:37 |
| * robbiew will look for a juicy link | 17:38 | |
| robbiew | jono: go ahead with the next question and I'll post the link when I find it | 17:39 |
| jono | <akshatj> Question: What in Ubuntu server differentiates it from other server distros? | 17:39 |
| robbiew | good question | 17:40 |
| robbiew | so for one, I'd point to the cloud infrastructure integration | 17:40 |
| robbiew | i.e. eucalyptus and soon-to-be openstack | 17:40 |
| robbiew | beyond that...we've recently started working on an infrastructure service suite | 17:41 |
| robbiew | called orchestra | 17:41 |
| robbiew | with the aim of making a sysadmins life easier | 17:41 |
| robbiew | in terms of everything he/she needs to do to get servers and services up and running fast | 17:41 |
| robbiew | across multiple machines | 17:41 |
| robbiew | http://launchpad.net/orchestra | 17:41 |
| robbiew | up until recently, we were focused on being Debian + security updates and regular cadence | 17:42 |
| robbiew | as Debian itself is a rock sold server platform | 17:42 |
| robbiew | but with the emergence of cloud, we've seen an opportunity | 17:42 |
| robbiew | beyond that, we are also looking at other architectures besides x86 and amd64 | 17:43 |
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| robbiew | where we feel a strong server presence helps us | 17:43 |
| robbiew | ARM for example is VERY interesting | 17:43 |
| robbiew | and we hope to partner with Linaro and the Ubuntu on ARM team to deliver something soon | 17:43 |
| * robbiew needs hardware first ;) | 17:43 | |
| jono | robbiew, still there? | 17:48 |
| jono | <zul> question: any new cloudy things coming down the pipe? | 17:49 |
| * robbiew thinks | 17:51 | |
| robbiew | we also have some suite tools, like byobu | 17:51 |
| robbiew | but I'd be happy if other distros picked that up too | 17:51 |
| robbiew | and we have work on power management tools for servers...like PowerNap | 17:51 |
| robbiew | I could go on and on...feel free to email me and I can point you to a few places | 17:51 |
| robbiew | jono: next? | 17:51 |
| robbiew | jono: hello? is this thing on :P | 17:51 |
| jono | I think we are having a few freenode server issues | 17:51 |
| jono | a lot of scrollback just appeared | 17:52 |
| jono | <zul> question: any new cloudy things coming down the pipe? | 17:52 |
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| robbiew | "cloudy things" | 17:52 |
| jono | :-) | 17:52 |
| robbiew | well...zul | 17:53 |
| robbiew | that's an excellent question | 17:53 |
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| robbiew | the easiest answer is "yes"...better integration with openstack....making sure folks can deploy clouds on their choice of infrastructure | 17:54 |
| robbiew | eucalyptus or openstack | 17:54 |
| robbiew | in term of running IN the cloud | 17:54 |
| robbiew | smoser has done some very cool things with cloud-init | 17:55 |
| robbiew | (I'm sure you can talk to him about this) | 17:55 |
| robbiew | given zul is on the Ubuntu Server team...I'll end there | 17:55 |
| robbiew | ;) | 17:55 |
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| robbiew | if he doesn't know...we have a problem :P | 17:56 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 17:56 |
| jono | <m4n1sh> Question: Isn't 6 months release cycles for a server version just too fast? 3 years support and 5 yrs LTS support is also fine, but 6 months cycle sounds fast for server markets | 17:56 |
| robbiew | not if you run in the cloud | 17:56 |
| robbiew | were you could care less about what hardware you run on | 17:56 |
| robbiew | and you want the latest php or mysql support | 17:57 |
| robbiew | the way I see it, for server, we should build towards an LTS | 17:57 |
| robbiew | knowing most users will prefer an LTS, we should plan accordingly | 17:57 |
| robbiew | with each non-LTS being stable to stand-alone, but used as ways to introduce new features | 17:57 |
| robbiew | that can be tested for robustness with each successive release | 17:58 |
| robbiew | leading up to LTS | 17:58 |
| robbiew | so we should strive to push the newest stuff LTS+1 and gradually reduce the "riskiness" as we get closer to the LTS | 17:58 |
| robbiew | with the LTS dev cycle having most of its' focus on stabilizing what we have | 17:59 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 17:59 |
| jono | <Daviey> QUESTION: How does Canonical's interest and commitment differ from the server flavour? | 17:59 |
| robbiew | another Ubuntu Team question..nice | 17:59 |
| robbiew | will make this short | 17:59 |
| robbiew | Canonical is a business, and this aims to make money using Ubuntu Server as the core of it's service offerings around Server | 18:00 |
| robbiew | Ubuntu Server is a distro | 18:00 |
| robbiew | and aims to provide the best opensource has to offer for a server os | 18:00 |
| robbiew | free of charge | 18:00 |
| robbiew | ;) | 18:00 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 18:00 |
| jono | <popey> QUESTION: What are you doing to get applications like SAP certified on Ubuntu Server? Right now I have to use RedHat or SuSe. | 18:00 |
| robbiew | oh man...good one | 18:01 |
| robbiew | so this is where having Canonical as a backer of Ubuntu Server helps | 18:01 |
| robbiew | in order to be a REAL player in linux server, you need strong relationships with hardware providers | 18:01 |
| robbiew | like Dell, HP, IBM, etc | 18:01 |
| robbiew | ISVs support what the OEM's ship | 18:02 |
| robbiew | pretty simple | 18:02 |
| robbiew | so, that's why we were excited about Dell's recent announcement regarding the shipment of servers with Ubuntu installed | 18:02 |
| robbiew | targeted at cloud of course | 18:03 |
| robbiew | but to be the best cloud os, we need top notch hardware support | 18:03 |
| robbiew | I think the ISVs will begin to come soon...as Ubuntu grows in popularity in the cloud | 18:03 |
| robbiew | and more businesses start trusting their workloads in the cloud | 18:03 |
| robbiew | and more try to find cheaper ways to run...which means not wanting to pay license fees for every instance in the cloud | 18:04 |
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| robbiew | Canonical is working VERY hard to partner with ISVs | 18:04 |
| robbiew | to help all this along | 18:04 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 18:04 |
| jono | <Drankinn> QUESTION: Question: Are there plans to make landscape more affordable or open source. Or is there a good alternative? | 18:04 |
| robbiew | I don't no, as Landscape is a Canonical product developed outside my team | 18:05 |
| robbiew | depending on what your needs are, I think orchestra can be an alternative at some degree | 18:06 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 18:06 |
| jono | <nlsthzn> question: With the instability with Novel and SUSE, is there any plans to aggresively go after current potentially dissilusioned users? | 18:06 |
| * robbiew rushes a bit to answer as many ?s as possible | 18:06 | |
| robbiew | absolutely | 18:07 |
| robbiew | I think we should at least try to support the same architectures | 18:07 |
| robbiew | to allow those users to migrate | 18:07 |
| robbiew | but that will take time | 18:08 |
| robbiew | re: architectres, specifically speaking about ppc and s390 | 18:08 |
| robbiew | IBM platforms traditionally supported by SUSE (and RHEL) | 18:08 |
| robbiew | but we still need to stay focused on cloud...where I feel things are transitioning to | 18:09 |
| robbiew | where the hardware becomes more of a commodity | 18:09 |
| robbiew | so I guess it's a balancing act | 18:09 |
| robbiew | to keep one eye on current landscape and the other on where we think it's moving to | 18:09 |
| robbiew | and choosing our features and strategic direction appropriately | 18:10 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 18:10 |
| jono | <popey> QUESTION: People ask me (surprisingly often) 'Why run Ubuntu when I can run Debian server?'. What's the 'Caononical' answer to that? | 18:10 |
| robbiew | heh | 18:10 |
| robbiew | I asked the same thing | 18:11 |
| robbiew | well for one, security updates | 18:11 |
| robbiew | now we do try to keep Debian updated with our updates...but we can't force them to | 18:11 |
| robbiew | and to be honest, the cloud integration, but for some...Debian is the answer | 18:12 |
| robbiew | now if you need support | 18:12 |
| robbiew | well...then I suggest Ubuntu Server, where you can get email and phone support from Canonical | 18:12 |
| robbiew | as well as engineering assistance to in deploying customized solutions | 18:12 |
| robbiew | Canonical sells a "service"...not a Server | 18:12 |
| robbiew | ;) | 18:12 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 18:13 |
| jono | <popey> QUESTION: People like Turnkey Linux are making lots of applicances based on Ubuntu Server. Is this something Canonical have considered, given a brand new server is | 18:13 |
| jono | somewhat unexciting on its own? | 18:13 |
| * robbiew clearly needs to setup an interview with popey :P | 18:14 | |
| robbiew | so, yes | 18:14 |
| robbiew | but I'm not the right person to ask | 18:14 |
| robbiew | Nick Barcet is the man you want to talk to ;) | 18:15 |
| robbiew | nijaba on IRC | 18:15 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 18:15 |
| jono | <popey> QUESTION: I am often asked for a webmin like system (but not webmin for historical reasons) for administering servers, to bring the admin overhead down and comparable with MS SBS. Something you're looking at? | 18:15 |
| robbiew | yup...orchestra will solve all your troubles :) | 18:16 |
| robbiew | well...not all | 18:16 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 18:16 |
| jono | <jhattara> QUESTION: Are there any plans for better official support for hardware management drivers and software of high-end servers, like IBM? | 18:16 |
| robbiew | yes, there are | 18:18 |
| robbiew | and that's all I can say now ;) | 18:18 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 18:18 |
| jono | <rohit64> QUESTION: is it possible to have an UI (gnome or kde) for Ubuntu Server ? | 18:18 |
| robbiew | ahh | 18:19 |
| robbiew | sure sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop | 18:19 |
| robbiew | Server and Desktop share the same archive, so it's possible | 18:19 |
| robbiew | but we don't have any plans (of yet) to roll out a UI specifically for Server | 18:19 |
| robbiew | that of course could change tomorrow | 18:19 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 18:20 |
| jono | <Oceanvibe> QUESTION Is ubuntu server good for heavy hosting? | 18:20 |
| robbiew | "heavy hosting" | 18:20 |
| robbiew | you mean like wikipedia or something? | 18:21 |
| robbiew | yes | 18:21 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 18:21 |
| jono | <sebsebseb> QUESTION: What kind of paid Canonical customers tend to use Ubuntu Server and for what? | 18:21 |
| ClassBot | There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session. | 18:21 |
| robbiew | typically ones who either can't afford the license fees of other Linux server distros, but want support | 18:23 |
| robbiew | or need an OS that moves at a faster rate to support key hardware/software features they need | 18:23 |
| robbiew | tbh, I'm just an engineering manager...and i try to keep focused there | 18:24 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 18:24 |
| jono | <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Do you think that Ubuntu Server will turn into mainly a cloud distribution? | 18:24 |
| robbiew | no | 18:25 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 18:25 |
| jono | <doctormo> QUESTION: Do you have any ideas on how to encourage existing systems administrators to take part in the Ubuntu community and provide ideas and fixes to make servers easier to manage? | 18:25 |
| robbiew | first, as promised, in reference to the first question about EC2 statistics: http://thecloudmarket.com/stats#/by_platform_definition | 18:26 |
| ClassBot | There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session. | 18:26 |
| robbiew | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved | 18:26 |
| robbiew | go there :) | 18:27 |
| robbiew | participate in #ubuntu-server | 18:27 |
| robbiew | join lists | 18:27 |
| robbiew | reach out | 18:27 |
| robbiew | email me...I'll get to it | 18:27 |
| robbiew | pretty good at keeping my email inbox low ;) | 18:27 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 18:27 |
| jono | <Brumle> Question: Are there any "products" for lined up for identity management, mangement of many servers (puppet), or other enterprise needs? | 18:27 |
| robbiew | I wouldn't say "product", but orchestra can do some of this | 18:28 |
| robbiew | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-install-service | 18:28 |
| robbiew | describes our work on it | 18:28 |
| robbiew | and any member of the team can provide more details | 18:28 |
| robbiew | jono: next | 18:28 |
| jono | <Tickon> QUESTION: How good would Ubuntu Sever be for a cloud based startup company? Would it be a logical choice? Could it scale up well if our traffic gets big? | 18:29 |
| robbiew | last one | 18:29 |
| robbiew | absolutely | 18:29 |
| robbiew | check out www.atlantic.net ;) | 18:29 |
| robbiew | they host with Ubuntu | 18:29 |
| robbiew | jono: one more! | 18:30 |
| jono | <kapcom01> QUESTION: Are there any plans to release Ubuntu One source code so we can use it on our servers? | 18:30 |
| robbiew | damn | 18:30 |
| robbiew | lol | 18:30 |
| robbiew | should have stopped while I was ahead :P | 18:30 |
| robbiew | so that's a completely different team | 18:30 |
| robbiew | outside of the Platform team even | 18:30 |
| robbiew | so I don't know | 18:30 |
| robbiew | but if they do....we'll pull it in and ship as fast as we can ;) | 18:31 |
| robbiew | promise | 18:31 |
| jono | :-) | 18:31 |
| jono | thanks robbiew | 18:31 |
| jono | ok, I think that is a wrao | 18:31 |
| jono | wwrap | 18:31 |
| jono | wrap | 18:31 |
| jono | erk | 18:31 |
| jono | thanks to everyone for your questions | 18:31 |
| robbiew | np | 18:31 |
| ClassBot | Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/02/11/%23ubuntu-classroom.html | 18:31 |
| jono | we do have some final outstanding questions | 18:31 |
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| jono | hmmm | 18:32 |
| jono | ahhh I can still speak | 18:32 |
| jono | we do have some outstanding questions, robbie will follow up with a blog entry | 18:32 |
| jono | thanks, folks! | 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | jono: Now everyone can speak again. The blog entry will be where? | 18:34 |
| jono | sebsebseb, on robbie's blog | 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | what's the link? | 18:35 |
| m4n1sh | jono: is it aggregated on planet? | 18:35 |
| jono | http://undacuvabrutha.wordpress.com/ | 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | ok thanks :) | 18:35 |
| m4n1sh | thanks jono | 18:35 |
| jono | :-) | 18:36 |
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| mo23116 | s | 20:12 |
| savage24x | QUESTION Has there ever been a release with an actual GUI in 32-bit form? I would love to use ubuntu for my server instead of windows xp! | 20:26 |
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| sergegagne | savage24x: All the desktop edition can be use has a server. Server people just prefer to optimize resources an so tend to operate without a GUI | 20:57 |
| sergegagne | savage24x: BTW the GUI can be turn off by default and started only when you need it (try disabling gdm and use startx instead...) | 20:59 |
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