[00:03] maco: I see him every Sunday now at Grendals. [00:03] paultag: You winding down on BT and UbuntuStudio? [00:09] <- building song set lists for Budapest just in case I get to DJ again. :-) [01:34] * mhall119 hopes the narwals song is on the list [01:44] doctormo: just BT. Why? [01:44] paultag: curious about your step down email. [01:45] doctormo: ah. Did not know you were on beginners [01:46] paultag: that's the third time you've said that [01:47] paultag: you stepped down from BT? [01:48] Pendulum: yes, it's quite depressing. It's my "Home" team. I'm going to maintain membership, just because it was my first team ( and being on the team when we started it and stuff ) [01:48] * Pendulum hugs paultag [01:48] Pendulum: but I'm leaving all my leadership roles behind me for the BT to try and snag some breathing room [01:48] * paultag hugs Pendulum [01:48] *nods* [01:49] It's a bit sad, but it's been a while coming [01:49] * doctormo hugs Pendulum [01:49] * Pendulum hugs doctormo [01:49] there has not be enough hugging in this channel lately [01:49] +1 to that [01:49] +1 [01:50] * doctormo hugs jcastro [01:50] Yeah, it's a shame but I'm getting burned out, so I need to drop weight. Sadsies. [01:50] I'll blog about it after the process is in progress, methinks [01:50] better to take care of yourself [01:50] +1 Pendulum [03:03] * nigelb hugs paultag [03:14] Most awesome wallpaper, must be seen! [03:14] http://fav.me/d398ufo [03:57] Woo hoo finally got irc working on my phone...i luv my phone [07:38] good morning [07:40] hey dholbach :) [07:40] hey nigelb [07:40] nigelb, what's "hello" in Hindi or Malayalam? [07:40] or well, how would you pronounce it? [07:43] dholbach: 'Namaskaram' in malyalam and 'Namaste' in Hindi :) [07:43] ah yes, in Hindi I should've known, yes :) [07:43] one of the few non-food-related words I remember ;-) [07:43] haha [07:43] Paneer must be your favorite food word :p [07:44] one of them, yes :) [07:44] and it's the same in Persian [07:44] Ahhh. [07:45] what's chicken? morgh? [07:45] Murg in Hindi [07:45] 'morgh' in Persian :) [07:46] it always makes me chuckle when I look at a menu :) [07:46] heh [07:46] All this talk of food reminds me its lunch time ^-^ [07:46] ok, it's breakfast time, I should put Indian food out of my mind for a bit [07:47] hehe [08:07] good morning all [08:11] hola dpm, ara :) [08:12] hey nigelb [08:56] oh no! [08:57] #u-classroom is booked on Friday 4th March already [08:57] pleia2, ^ can we move this somewhere else? :/ [08:57] that's UDW week [08:58] let me look [09:00] the Fridge calendar says it's booked for ubuntu-meeting and there's no other meeting at the time [09:00] but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WeeklyQandA says #u-classroom [09:00] I'll talk to Jono [09:00] he seems to have set it up [09:00] nigelb, I can CC pleia2 and you [09:00] dholbach: it is the Q and A session. [09:00] yes, I know [09:00] dholbach: Yeah, that'd be great. Its jono's thing [09:01] dholbach: or you can talk to david mandella and make it right before UDW ;) [09:01] luckily we still have some time [09:01] so I'll suggest to them to move to #u-meeting [09:02] or move it by a week [09:02] If I'd known of it, we could have fit it into the schedule [09:02] yes [09:03] dholbach: I event went to get rickspencer to do a Q and A inside of UDW. Sigh. If I'd known we could have had this Q and A into the schedule [09:03] don't worry [09:03] it's going to be fine [09:04] :) [09:04] I'll add the other sessions to the classroom schedule now [09:04] if I never said it that explicitly: I hate doing that :) [09:05] lol [09:05] I can help [09:05] lets split up [09:05] no, it's fine - don't bother :) [09:05] I'll do the last 2 days :) [09:05] we'll crash Google Calendar or something :) [09:05] haha, entirely possible :p [09:06] YOu know what, we should automate this [09:06] I'll try to find a way over the weekend (and probably present it at UDW :P) [09:06] agreed - I would need something like that for the patch pilot calendar as well [09:07] at least I installed python-gdata already, but I didn't do anything about it yet :) [09:07] no, not the weekend - it's packed with other stuff already [09:07] Lets get some time and hack something to automate this :D [09:08] and dealing with iCal and vCard stuff is really not what I consider "fun weekend stuff" [09:08] haha [09:08] I'll look it up and figure out a way. I've got some time. [09:55] nigelb, in the calendar, do I need to specify an event somewhere? [09:56] or is it just helper, instructor, moderated? [09:57] * popey hugs dholbach [09:57] * dholbach hugs popey back [10:00] ok, I guess I need to add "Event: Ubuntu Developer Week" [10:05] done [10:05] one problem I can see is that lernid seems to be a bit broken in natty [10:18] popey, we have that line in the draft email [10:18] oh, doh [10:18] sorry :( (I did read it honest) [10:18] haha [10:18] brb === evilvish is now known as vish [10:45] dholbach: yes, if you specify event, don't specify moderated [10:45] * nigelb looks at cal [10:45] aha?! [10:46] dholbach: if you specify an event, we assume that the event is moderated, which is aways the case [10:47] I did both - should be alright, no? [10:48] dholbach: Its fine. Less work for next time. [10:48] yeah :) [11:37] dholbach: can you link me to the patch pilot calender? [11:37] https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=6k1e5rq45m1bdqq0n1ge3oqaok@group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/Berlin&gsessionid=OK [11:37] thanks [11:38] dholbach: you've got to do this every month? [11:38] yes [11:38] Ew. No wonder you hate doing this. [11:38] Will try to get you something by monday :) [11:40] whooo: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=189930157694069 [11:45] Invited a bunch of friends :) [11:46] dholbach: btw, erm, we stopped recommended lernid to anyone [11:46] right [11:47] We = Classroom Team [11:47] I guess it's still in the wiki page instructions somewhere [11:47] I'll talk to Jono about it [11:47] Because a lot of people had issues and we want to wait till its stable enough for us to spend time debugging [11:47] *for us *NOT* to spend time... [11:48] * dholbach nods [11:48] http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/tmp/Bildschirmfoto.png - anything I forgot? [11:49] talk about #ubuntu-classroom-chat too? [11:49] it's in the link [11:49] :) [11:49] In that case, all looks good :) [11:51] published [11:52] I'll add it to UWN [11:53] woo :) [11:53] thanks a lot for the help nigelb [11:56] dholbach: No problem. It is afterall a classroom event :) [12:08] morning all [12:08] hey duanedesign [12:09] howdy nigelb [12:54] thanks nhandler [12:54] dholbach: You are welcome. You know that you have access to the ubuntu-classroom blog for posting stuff like this, right? [12:54] yes [12:55] I'll repost it from there in the next few days [12:55] so we keep the message on planet :) [12:57] hi daker [12:57] hey dholbach ツ [13:02] nhandler: ping? [13:47] nigelb: I added myself to the lighting session [13:48] for XDG Launcher [14:36] akgraner: Android phone you have and luv? [14:37] doctormo, Galaxy S - (same one you have) [14:38] but don't try to get the update - the update from samsung bricked my other Galaxy [14:38] wait for the t-mobile to push their version of the update over-the-air as it's almost ready [14:39] akgraner: Is it? interesting [14:39] the samsung update required a user to hook the phone to a windows machine to get it [14:39] akgraner: Mine is rooted, should I update anyway? I mean I like what it does. [14:40] no don't do the update [14:40] so not worth it [14:40] The t-mobile update? [14:40] no the samsung update [14:40] you would have gotten an email from t-mobile telling you about the update [14:41] don't use that one - wait on the other update (which is not ready yet but will be soon) and will NOT require you to use a windows machine for the update [14:41] it will be an over the air update [14:41] and it will give you wifi calling [14:42] akgraner: Right, so I don'tbelieve any updates require a windows machine. You can use the sdk to install any updates. [14:42] right now I can't receive or send calls only data over wifi [14:42] no the samsung update requires users to hook phone up to a windows machine to get it [14:42] I spent 3 days dealing with samsung and t-mobile over having to do that [14:44] they told me it was the only way (for now) so I tried it - and then my phone was bricked - spent another day dealing with them over the fact the application locked up the windows machine in the middle of the update, which bricked my phone, and the emergency recovery software failed - hence the reason I got a new phone [14:45] Found out I am not the only that happened too, the Samsung update is broken, so t-mobile is releasing a new over the air update soon (no what their def of soon is I don't know) [14:45] no [idea] what - I mean [14:46] What is the samsung update exactly? Is it a file? Updates to androids are fairly standard. [14:46] It enables the Galaxy S to have wifi calling enabled [14:47] You slap them in the memory card, reboot the device over usb with the _recover_ flag and hold onto your pants. [14:47] not exactly - you have to download some custom samsung application [14:48] akgraner: Can you cabextract it? [14:48] I'll get you a better more technical explanation later today [14:50] doctormo, I'm an end user for my phone - I don't know about all the stuff your asking :-/ sorry - but I'll find out for you. I followed the manufactures and re-sellers instructors and so did many others and it failed big time. So I don't want anyone else having those same issues that's all :-) [14:50] hello akgraner and doctormo [14:51] doctormo, I'll get the answers and blog about it in more detail but for now I gotta get back to work :-) hi duanedesign! [15:07] hey dholbach [15:08] http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072552440_99kAA [15:08] get down! [15:23] hey duanedesign, thansk akgraner [15:34] hi all [15:46] jono: were you looking for me last night. took the evening off [15:47] czajkowski, I was, we had our call scheduled this week, wanted to reschedule [15:47] oh I'd forgotten that :o [15:47] I never forget :( [15:47] sorry [15:48] no worries! [15:48] jono: 9pm or 10pm on monday? o any time before 5:30pm on monday [15:48] let me check my cal [15:49] bbi 10, new session/unity time [15:49] jcastro, oh! my! god [15:53] dholbach: what, did you come across the images he linked yesterday? [15:53] I don't know about pictures from yesterday [15:56] check the logs [15:56] he was finding pictures of you looking silly at uds [15:58] you mean looking AWESOME [15:59] http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072549424_Crk3n [15:59] WHeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [15:59] can anyone explain what the heck is going on there? [15:59] and he wonders why I call him dodgey Daviey [15:59] there's something very english about that whole thing [16:01] jcastro: what were you doing http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072191959_BNfQD [16:01] I believe the concensus is that I was mid-air-guitar/headbanging [16:01] which would make sense [16:02] indeed [16:02] * czajkowski hugs jcastro [16:02] very special :) [16:02] jono: "no really daviey, im a chair" [16:03] the best comment I saw about this one http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072324655_3ai7N-L-LB was "I can see your natty narwhals" [16:03] maco, uh? [16:03] but that was on FB :) [16:03] Daviey: look at the one jcastro linked [16:03] calling it a day, see you all on Monday! [16:04] Ahhhhhhhh! [16:04] there are pics [16:04] I love Daviey [16:04] :-) [16:04] heh [16:05] Borris is making some moves in the background [16:06] Woow Congrats Mubarak is out!! === 13WAA4PTR is now known as kim0|Celebrating [16:10] this is awesome news! [16:10] * dholbach hugs kim0|Celebrating and daker [16:12] well i think Egypt will not sleep tonight :D [16:12] http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ if you want to see a big party [16:24] a massive flood on twitter [16:28] man that's awesome [16:29] * maco is glad to be nowhere near the egyptian embassy today [16:29] Mubarak is gone? [16:29] yeah [16:29] mhall119, yes [16:29] \o/ [16:30] huzzah [16:30] mhall119, http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ [16:30] gone gone, or like almost sorta kinda gone but still officially President? [16:30] resigned [16:30] mhall119, he resigns as president and hands over power to the Supreme Council for the Armed Forces [16:33] actually, sounds more like the military announced he resigned, so let's hope they won't just put another puppet in his place... [16:33] they will not do that :) [16:34] I hope so, it's going to be a crazy time in Egypt for a while though [16:35] eh, sounds like the square is getting dangerous because of too many people, let's hope no accidents happen there... :-( [16:36] mhall119, i don't think those crazy times will be like the last 30 years [16:37] JanC, i don't think you know very well the Muslims [16:38] so is the VP now going to be president? [16:38] mhall119, no [16:38] did he resign too? [16:38] daker: not sure what that has to do with "the Muslims" ? [16:38] no [16:38] the military more or less took over government as far as I understand [16:38] mhall119, the Supreme Council for the Armed Forces takes the control [16:39] hmm...I'm not sure if that's good or bad [16:39] it's good if it's temporary ;) [16:39] armed forces meaning the army? [16:39] yex [16:39] yes* [16:39] mhall119, it's very good [16:39] it was my understanding that the airforce and military police were still loyal to Mubarak [16:40] mhall119: from what an egyptian was posting on reddit about the protests, the military were protecting the people from the pro-mubarak police forces [16:40] maco: sometimes they did [16:40] maco: the army was, yes [16:40] again, my understanding was that some divisions of the armed forces were still loyal to the regime [16:41] oh is this that "there's more than one kind of 'servicemember'" thing that always confuses me? [16:41] yeah, army vs. air force [16:41] why cant they all just be army, and then you have the airplane people and the boat people and the ground people [16:41] like how the US has army/navy/air force/marine corp [16:41] would be so much more understandable [16:41] air force used to be the Army Air Corp over here [16:42] why does the US have a navy and marines? [16:42] theyre both just "fight in water" right? [16:42] different duties [16:42] no [16:42] O_o [16:43] im pretty sure navy is water people...and marine...well "marine life" means "aquatic life" so...marine must mean water too... [16:43] JanC, have you seen the scene 5 hours ago ? [16:43] marines use the navy for mobility, but mostly fight on land [16:43] maco: and to make things confusing, the navy and the ground troups probably have their own airplanes... ;) [16:43] JanC: that shouldnt be allowed [16:43] yes, they all have their own air crafts [16:44] if you want airplanes, tuse the air force [16:44] I'm pretty sure they all have their own boats too [16:44] if you want boats, use the water people and darnit you only need one set of em! [16:44] the navy has more planes than the airforce [16:44] and the army has more boats than the navy [16:44] think of them like different distros ;) [16:44] jcastro: that seems stupid [16:45] do any of them have any sense of purpose at all? [16:45] man, this AJ live stream is eating up my CPI [16:45] CPU [16:45] "our job is to pretend to be water people and instead do stuff in air planes!" [16:45] maco: yes [16:45] the planes go on top of the ships [16:45] the airplanes are used to compliment the water craft [16:45] but the main purpose of the navy is to provide sea power [16:46] hrmph. this is like giving an archer a ole arm [16:46] *pole arm [16:46] or putting infantry on horses. they by definition cease to be infantry and become cavalry [16:46] * mhall119 goes to see if CNN is coverting this story yet [16:47] maco: well now they all ride in motorized vehicles [16:47] simplistic maco is simplistic [16:48] well, the cavalry still has horses for parade days :P [16:48] yeah, the marines have swords for the same reason [16:48] in some armies teh cavalry is on off-road motorbikes now [16:48] there's one for maco, the marines who don't fight on water and carry swords [16:49] id call that a swordsman [16:49] possibly a knight [16:49] maco: also, the coast guard isn't part of the navy, go figure that one [16:49] we have cross-service boards/councils [16:49] how shiny is their armor? [16:50] mostly dirty brown or green [16:50] ok so robinhood [16:50] lol [16:50] ha [16:50] nah, he was an archer ;-) [16:51] oh, the VP is announcing Mubarak's resignation now [16:53] he did some time ago ;) [16:53] * mhall119 really hopes Egypt gets a civilian, republican government [16:53] JanC, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-jJllBxZLI [16:55] daker: like I said, I hope it doesn't get too crowded there (as journalists reports large groups of people from all over the city want to celebrate and are moving towards the square) [16:56] you can only put so many persons on 1m²... [16:56] if they are oganized yes :) [16:58] daker: the problem is that when there isn't enough room, people can be accidentally hurt [16:58] I think that's what JanC is worried about [16:58] exactly, that's what I mean [16:58] yes i know :) [16:58] when 200 people are moving in one direction, and 1 person is going the other way... [16:59] mhall119, the video say it all [17:00] it looked safe at the time of that video, yes [17:00] maybe i should show you the video of today [17:01] they were more than 2millions according to Aljazeera in Tahrir square [17:03] cam somebody stickify http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10449345 ? [17:03] and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10449347 please [17:05] haha rm -rf Mubarak && sudo apt-get install Egypt-2.0 [17:06] :) [17:08] lol [17:13] mhall119, the VP is not anymore VP just because the army takes the control [17:13] alright my friends - keep on celebrating - I call it a day - see you all next week! have a good one! [17:13] dholbach, bon week end!! [17:13] daker, merci mon ami :) [17:32] can someone give me access to #ubuntu-classroom [17:33] I wonder what news source I am missing. [17:33] I have not seen any announcement of these Q&A sessions [17:33] hmm no jcastro [17:34] popey, each friday there is a Q&A sessions [17:34] ok, this is news to me [17:34] where was it announced? [17:34] facebook [17:34] you are kidding? [17:34] this was announced by jono [17:34] most recent stuff [17:35] well, that's why I haven't seen it then [17:35] it seems to be an effective means of reaching oodles of random people and bypassing a lot of Ubuntu geeks [17:35] Seems that way. [17:35] it should probably be posted on ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com too (which goes to planet) but I'm not sure who on the classroom team jono is working with [17:36] doesn't turn up on my main facebook news feed, only on the "recent crap from everyone" page [17:36] pleia2, oh that is news to me [17:36] I just got the schedule updated yesterday in the learning events calendar [17:36] yeah we need to promote this a little more [17:36] +12 [17:37] can someone give me the web link to the online webchat for the two channels? [17:37] http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-classroom%2Cubuntu-classroom-chat [17:38] the bot automatically announces it to the ubuntuclassroom feeds on identica and twitter [17:45] mhall119: \o/ thanks [17:45] jono: hey, did you get the conflict fixed for us? :) [17:46] nigelb, conflict? you mean for dev week? [17:46] jono: yup [17:46] nigelb, not yet [17:46] will do though [17:46] should be simple enough [17:46] :) [17:47] questions queueing up... :) [17:47] mhall119: I think I might build an app over the weekend and show case it ;) [17:50] can someone voice robbie in -classroom ? [17:50] jono: robbie is voiced [17:51] he cant speak [17:51] AlanBell: I'm detecting a pattern myself [17:51] That's not like robbie at all ;-) [17:54] pleia2: there are better ways of doing a webchat link, you can do one with settings that turn off joins and parts [17:55] http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-classroom%2Cubuntu-classroom-chat&uio=Mj10cnVlJjQ9dHJ1ZSY5PXRydWUmMTA9dHJ1ZSYxMT0yODcmMTI9dHJ1ZQf8 [17:55] like that [17:55] AlanBell: I find that option more annoying than useful so I never looked into it, but I guess for new users it would be better [17:56] 17:49 < runar_> everything i'm seeing are quits and joins [17:56] few messages like that in -chat [17:56] yeah, you have to weigh that against the "nothing is happening, my browser is broken!111 hello???" comments [17:57] AlanBell: How do you do that? [17:57] doctormo: top left, follow the wizard for add webchat to your website [17:58] ok, thanks, perhaps we should put that into the link on loco directory? [17:58] doctormo: funnily enough, I coded the loco directory webchat integration . . . [17:58] it doesn't show joins and parts [17:59] AlanBell: I thought I did that part... or maybe I just did the awesome icon for it. [17:59] I forget [18:01] ah yes, I changed the functionality of the awesome icon [18:01] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk [18:01] now in an iframe [18:02] AlanBell: Why? that doesn't seem to make design sense. [18:02] did to me [18:03] AlanBell: None of the other buttons do embeded iframes, and what happens if you have javascript switched off? [18:04] this one was nicely integrated http://loco.ubuntu.com/irc/ [18:05] the loco ones launched a whole new window [18:05] and had confusing joins and parts turned on [18:06] if people see IP addresses they think it has all gone horribly wrong [18:06] true [18:07] I think if you have javascript turned off then it is game over for the webchat anyhow [18:11] AlanBell: But not for info about how to get to irc. Anyway I do think the irc chat button is cool [18:12] I think most people who really need a webchat have JavaScript enabled [18:13] and often don't know how to disable it... [18:13] or know how to re-enable [18:14] JanC: Consider someone who is an expert god of the command line. How will they know what that icon means, how does it translate to a specific irc name [18:14] that they can manually get to. [18:17] hm, good point, maybe the icon should link to a separate page that includes the correct info [18:19]