[00:03] <doctormo> maco: I see him every Sunday now at Grendals.
[00:03] <doctormo> paultag: You winding down on BT and UbuntuStudio?
[00:09] <JFo> <- building song set lists for Budapest just in case I get to DJ again. :-)
[01:34]  * mhall119 hopes the narwals song is on the list
[01:44] <paultag> doctormo: just BT. Why?
[01:44] <doctormo> paultag: curious about your step down email.
[01:45] <paultag> doctormo: ah. Did not know you were on beginners
[01:46] <doctormo> paultag: that's the third time you've said that
[01:47] <Pendulum> paultag: you stepped down from BT?
[01:48] <paultag> Pendulum: yes, it's quite depressing. It's my "Home" team. I'm going to maintain membership, just because it was my first team ( and being on the team when we started it and stuff )
[01:48]  * Pendulum hugs paultag 
[01:48] <paultag> Pendulum: but I'm leaving all my leadership roles behind me for the BT to try and snag some breathing room
[01:48]  * paultag hugs Pendulum 
[01:48] <Pendulum> *nods*
[01:49] <paultag> It's a bit sad, but it's been a while coming
[01:49]  * doctormo hugs Pendulum
[01:49]  * Pendulum hugs doctormo 
[01:49] <Pendulum> there has not be enough hugging in this channel lately
[01:49] <paultag> +1 to that
[01:49] <doctormo> +1
[01:50]  * doctormo hugs jcastro
[01:50] <paultag> Yeah, it's a shame but I'm getting burned out, so I need to drop weight. Sadsies.
[01:50] <paultag> I'll blog about it after the process is in progress, methinks
[01:50] <Pendulum> better to take care of yourself
[01:50] <paultag> +1 Pendulum
[03:03]  * nigelb hugs paultag 
[03:14] <doctormo> Most awesome wallpaper, must be seen!
[03:14] <doctormo> http://fav.me/d398ufo
[03:57] <akgraner-android> Woo hoo finally got irc working on my phone...i luv my phone
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[07:40] <nigelb> hey dholbach :)
[07:40] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:40] <dholbach> nigelb, what's "hello" in Hindi or Malayalam?
[07:40] <dholbach> or well, how would you pronounce it?
[07:43] <nigelb> dholbach: 'Namaskaram' in malyalam and 'Namaste' in Hindi :)
[07:43] <dholbach> ah yes, in Hindi I should've known, yes :)
[07:43] <dholbach> one of the few non-food-related words I remember ;-)
[07:43] <nigelb> haha
[07:43] <nigelb> Paneer must be your favorite food word :p
[07:44] <dholbach> one of them, yes :)
[07:44] <dholbach> and it's the same in Persian
[07:44] <nigelb> Ahhh.
[07:45] <dholbach> what's chicken? morgh?
[07:45] <nigelb> Murg in Hindi
[07:45] <dholbach> 'morgh' in Persian :)
[07:46] <dholbach> it always makes me chuckle when I look at a menu :)
[07:46] <nigelb> heh
[07:46] <nigelb> All this talk of food reminds me its lunch time ^-^
[07:46] <dholbach> ok, it's breakfast time, I should put Indian food out of my mind for a bit
[07:47] <nigelb> hehe
[08:07] <dpm> good morning all
[08:11] <nigelb> hola dpm, ara :)
[08:12] <dpm> hey nigelb
[08:56] <dholbach> oh no!
[08:57] <dholbach> #u-classroom is booked on Friday 4th March already
[08:57] <dholbach> pleia2, ^ can we move this somewhere else? :/
[08:57] <dholbach> that's UDW week
[08:58] <nigelb> let me look
[09:00] <dholbach> the Fridge calendar says it's booked for ubuntu-meeting and there's no other meeting at the time
[09:00] <dholbach> but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WeeklyQandA says #u-classroom
[09:00] <dholbach> I'll talk to Jono
[09:00] <dholbach> he seems to have set it up
[09:00] <dholbach> nigelb, I can CC pleia2 and you
[09:00] <nigelb> dholbach: it is the Q and A session.
[09:00] <dholbach> yes, I know
[09:00] <nigelb> dholbach: Yeah, that'd be great.  Its jono's thing
[09:01] <nigelb> dholbach: or you can talk to david mandella and make it right before UDW ;)
[09:01] <dholbach> luckily we still have some time
[09:01] <dholbach> so I'll suggest to them to move to #u-meeting
[09:02] <dholbach> or move it by a week
[09:02] <nigelb> If I'd known of it, we could have fit it into the schedule
[09:02] <dholbach> yes
[09:03] <nigelb> dholbach: I event went to get rickspencer to do a Q and A inside of UDW.  Sigh.  If I'd known we could have had this Q and A into the schedule
[09:03] <dholbach> don't worry
[09:03] <dholbach> it's going to be fine
[09:04] <nigelb> :)
[09:04] <dholbach> I'll add the other sessions to the classroom schedule now
[09:04] <dholbach> if I never said it that explicitly: I hate doing that :)
[09:05] <nigelb> lol
[09:05] <nigelb> I can help
[09:05] <nigelb> lets split up
[09:05] <dholbach> no, it's fine - don't bother :)
[09:05] <nigelb> I'll do the last 2 days :)
[09:05] <dholbach> we'll crash Google Calendar or something :)
[09:05] <nigelb> haha, entirely possible :p
[09:06] <nigelb> YOu know what, we should automate this
[09:06] <nigelb> I'll try to find a way over the weekend (and probably present it at UDW :P)
[09:06] <dholbach> agreed - I would need something like that for the patch pilot calendar as well
[09:07] <dholbach> at least I installed python-gdata already, but I didn't do anything about it yet :)
[09:07] <dholbach> no, not the weekend - it's packed with other stuff already
[09:07] <nigelb> Lets get some time and hack something to automate this :D
[09:08] <dholbach> and dealing with iCal and vCard stuff is really not what I consider "fun weekend stuff"
[09:08] <nigelb> haha
[09:08] <nigelb> I'll look it up and figure out a way.  I've got some time.
[09:55] <dholbach> nigelb, in the calendar, do I need to specify an event somewhere?
[09:56] <dholbach> or is it just helper, instructor, moderated?
[09:57]  * popey hugs dholbach 
[09:57]  * dholbach hugs popey back
[10:00] <dholbach> ok, I guess I need to add "Event: Ubuntu Developer Week"
[10:05] <dholbach> done
[10:05] <dholbach> one problem I can see is that lernid seems to be a bit broken in natty
[10:18] <dholbach> popey, we have that line in the draft email
[10:18] <popey> oh, doh
[10:18] <popey> sorry :( (I did read it honest)
[10:18] <dholbach> haha
[10:18] <dholbach> brb
[10:45] <nigelb> dholbach: yes, if you specify event, don't specify moderated
[10:45]  * nigelb looks at cal
[10:45] <dholbach> aha?!
[10:46] <nigelb> dholbach: if you specify an event, we assume that the event is moderated, which is aways the case
[10:47] <dholbach> I did both - should be alright, no?
[10:48] <nigelb> dholbach: Its fine.  Less work for next time.
[10:48] <dholbach> yeah :)
[11:37] <nigelb> dholbach: can you link me to the patch pilot calender?
[11:37] <dholbach> https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=6k1e5rq45m1bdqq0n1ge3oqaok@group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/Berlin&gsessionid=OK
[11:37] <nigelb> thanks
[11:38] <nigelb> dholbach: you've got to do this every month?
[11:38] <dholbach> yes
[11:38] <nigelb> Ew.  No wonder you hate doing this.
[11:38] <nigelb> Will try to get you something by monday :)
[11:40] <dholbach> whooo: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=189930157694069
[11:45] <nigelb> Invited a bunch of friends :)
[11:46] <nigelb> dholbach: btw, erm, we stopped recommended lernid to anyone
[11:46] <dholbach> right
[11:47] <nigelb> We = Classroom Team
[11:47] <dholbach> I guess it's still in the wiki page instructions somewhere
[11:47] <dholbach> I'll talk to Jono about it
[11:47] <nigelb> Because a lot of people had issues and we want to wait till its stable enough for us to spend time debugging
[11:47] <nigelb> *for us *NOT* to spend time...
[11:48]  * dholbach nods
[11:48] <dholbach> http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/tmp/Bildschirmfoto.png - anything I forgot?
[11:49] <nigelb> talk about #ubuntu-classroom-chat too?
[11:49] <dholbach> it's in the link
[11:49] <dholbach> :)
[11:49] <nigelb> In that case, all looks good :)
[11:51] <dholbach> published
[11:52] <dholbach> I'll add it to UWN
[11:53] <nigelb> woo :)
[11:53] <dholbach> thanks a lot for the help nigelb
[11:56] <nigelb> dholbach: No problem.  It is afterall a classroom event :)
[12:08] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:08] <nigelb> hey duanedesign
[12:09] <duanedesign> howdy nigelb
[12:54] <dholbach> thanks nhandler
[12:54] <nhandler> dholbach: You are welcome. You know that you have access to the ubuntu-classroom blog for posting stuff like this, right?
[12:54] <dholbach> yes
[12:55] <dholbach> I'll repost it from there in the next few days
[12:55] <dholbach> so we keep the message on planet :)
[12:57] <dholbach> hi daker
[12:57] <daker> hey dholbach ツ
[13:02] <nigelb> nhandler: ping?
[13:47] <mhall119> nigelb: I added myself to the lighting session
[13:48] <mhall119> for XDG Launcher
[14:36] <doctormo> akgraner: Android phone you have and luv?
[14:37] <akgraner> doctormo, Galaxy S - (same one you have)
[14:38] <akgraner> but don't try to get the update - the update from samsung bricked my other Galaxy
[14:38] <akgraner> wait for the t-mobile to push their version of the update over-the-air as it's almost ready
[14:39] <doctormo> akgraner: Is it? interesting
[14:39] <akgraner> the samsung update required a user to hook the phone to a windows machine to get it
[14:39] <doctormo> akgraner: Mine is rooted, should I update anyway? I mean I like what it does.
[14:40] <akgraner> no don't do the update
[14:40] <akgraner> so not worth it
[14:40] <doctormo> The t-mobile update?
[14:40] <akgraner> no the samsung update
[14:40] <akgraner> you would have gotten an email from t-mobile telling you about the update
[14:41] <akgraner> don't use that one - wait on the other update (which is not ready yet but will be soon) and will NOT require you to use a windows machine for the update
[14:41] <akgraner> it will be an over the air update
[14:41] <akgraner> and it will give you wifi calling
[14:42] <doctormo> akgraner: Right, so I don'tbelieve any updates require a windows machine. You can use the sdk to install any updates.
[14:42] <akgraner> right now I can't receive or send calls only data over wifi
[14:42] <akgraner> no the samsung update requires users to hook phone up to a windows machine to get it
[14:42] <akgraner> I spent 3 days dealing with samsung and t-mobile over having to do that
[14:44] <akgraner> they told me it was the only way (for now) so I tried it - and then my phone was bricked - spent another day dealing with them over the fact the application locked up the windows machine in the middle of the update, which bricked my phone, and the emergency recovery software failed - hence the reason I got a new phone
[14:45] <akgraner> Found out I am not the only that happened too, the Samsung update is broken, so t-mobile is releasing a new over the air update soon (no what their def of soon is I don't know)
[14:45] <akgraner> no [idea] what  - I mean
[14:46] <doctormo> What is the samsung update exactly? Is it a file? Updates to androids are fairly standard.
[14:46] <akgraner> It enables the Galaxy S to have wifi calling enabled
[14:47] <doctormo> You slap them in the memory card, reboot the device over usb with the _recover_ flag and hold onto your pants.
[14:47] <akgraner> not exactly - you have to download some custom samsung application
[14:48] <doctormo> akgraner: Can you cabextract it?
[14:48] <akgraner> I'll get you a better more technical explanation later today
[14:50] <akgraner> doctormo, I'm an end user for my phone - I don't know about all the stuff your asking :-/ sorry - but I'll find out for you.  I followed the manufactures and re-sellers instructors and so did many others and it failed big time.  So I don't want anyone else having those same issues that's all :-)
[14:50] <duanedesign> hello akgraner and doctormo
[14:51] <akgraner> doctormo, I'll get the answers and blog about it in more detail but for now I gotta get back to work :-)  hi duanedesign!
[15:07] <jcastro> hey dholbach
[15:08] <jcastro> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072552440_99kAA
[15:08] <jcastro> get down!
[15:23] <doctormo> hey duanedesign, thansk akgraner
[15:34] <jono> hi all
[15:46] <czajkowski> jono: were you looking for me last night. took the evening off
[15:47] <jono> czajkowski, I was, we had our call scheduled this week, wanted to reschedule
[15:47] <czajkowski> oh I'd forgotten that :o
[15:47] <czajkowski> I never forget :(
[15:47] <czajkowski> sorry
[15:48] <jono> no worries!
[15:48] <czajkowski> jono: 9pm or 10pm on monday? o any time before 5:30pm on monday
[15:48] <jono> let me check my cal
[15:49] <jcastro> bbi 10, new session/unity time
[15:49] <dholbach> jcastro, oh! my! god
[15:53] <maco> dholbach: what, did you come across the images he linked yesterday?
[15:53] <dholbach> I don't know about pictures from yesterday
[15:56] <maco> check the logs
[15:56] <maco> he was finding pictures of you looking silly at uds
[15:58] <jcastro> you mean looking AWESOME
[15:59] <jcastro> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072549424_Crk3n
[15:59] <popey> WHeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[15:59] <jcastro> can anyone explain what the heck is going on there?
[15:59] <czajkowski> and he wonders why I call him dodgey Daviey
[15:59] <jcastro> there's something very english about that whole thing
[16:01] <czajkowski> jcastro: what were you doing   http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072191959_BNfQD
[16:01] <jcastro> I believe the concensus is that I was mid-air-guitar/headbanging
[16:01] <jcastro> which would make sense
[16:02] <czajkowski> indeed
[16:02]  * czajkowski hugs jcastro 
[16:02] <czajkowski> very special :)
[16:02] <maco> jono: "no really daviey, im a chair"
[16:03] <dholbach> the best comment I saw about this one http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072324655_3ai7N-L-LB was "I can see your natty narwhals"
[16:03] <Daviey> maco, uh?
[16:03] <dholbach> but that was on FB :)
[16:03] <maco> Daviey: look at the one jcastro linked
[16:03] <dpm> calling it a day, see you all on Monday!
[16:04] <Daviey> Ahhhhhhhh!
[16:04] <Daviey> there are pics
[16:04] <jono> I love Daviey
[16:04] <jono> :-)
[16:04] <Daviey> heh
[16:05] <Daviey> Borris is making some moves in the background
[16:06] <daker> Woow Congrats Mubarak is out!!
[16:10] <dholbach> this is awesome news!
[16:10]  * dholbach hugs kim0|Celebrating and daker
[16:12] <daker> well i think Egypt will not sleep tonight :D
[16:12] <dholbach> http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ if you want to see a big party
[16:24] <daker> a massive flood on twitter
[16:28] <jcastro> man that's awesome
[16:29]  * maco is glad to be nowhere near the egyptian embassy today
[16:29] <mhall119> Mubarak is gone?
[16:29] <daker> yeah
[16:29] <dholbach> mhall119, yes
[16:29] <mhall119> \o/
[16:30] <paultag> huzzah
[16:30] <dholbach> mhall119, http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
[16:30] <mhall119> gone gone, or like almost sorta kinda gone but still officially President?
[16:30] <maco> resigned
[16:30] <daker> mhall119, he resigns as president and hands over power to the Supreme Council for the Armed Forces
[16:33] <JanC> actually, sounds more like the military announced he resigned, so let's hope they won't just put another puppet in his place...
[16:33] <daker> they will not do that :)
[16:34] <mhall119> I hope so, it's going to be a crazy time in Egypt for a while though
[16:35] <JanC> eh, sounds like the square is getting dangerous because of too many people, let's hope no accidents happen there...  :-(
[16:36] <daker> mhall119, i don't think those crazy times will be like the last 30 years
[16:37] <daker> JanC, i don't think you know very well the Muslims
[16:38] <mhall119> so is the VP now going to be president?
[16:38] <daker> mhall119, no
[16:38] <mhall119> did he resign too?
[16:38] <JanC> daker: not sure what that has to do with "the Muslims" ?
[16:38] <JanC> no
[16:38] <JanC> the military more or less took over government as far as I understand
[16:38] <daker> mhall119, the Supreme Council for the Armed Forces takes the control
[16:39] <mhall119> hmm...I'm not sure if that's good or bad
[16:39] <JanC> it's good if it's temporary  ;)
[16:39] <mhall119> armed forces meaning the army?
[16:39] <daker> yex
[16:39] <daker> yes*
[16:39] <daker> mhall119, it's very good
[16:39] <mhall119> it was my understanding that the airforce and military police were still loyal to Mubarak
[16:40] <maco> mhall119: from what an egyptian was posting on reddit about the protests, the military were protecting the people from the pro-mubarak police forces
[16:40] <JanC> maco: sometimes they did
[16:40] <mhall119> maco: the army was, yes
[16:40] <mhall119> again, my understanding was that some divisions of the armed forces were still loyal to the regime
[16:41] <maco> oh is this that "there's more than one kind of 'servicemember'" thing that always confuses me?
[16:41] <mhall119> yeah, army vs. air force
[16:41] <maco> why cant they all just be army, and then you have the airplane people and the boat people and the ground people
[16:41] <mhall119> like how the US has army/navy/air force/marine corp
[16:41] <maco> would be so much more understandable
[16:41] <mhall119> air force used to be the Army Air Corp over here
[16:42] <maco> why does the US have a navy and marines?
[16:42] <maco> theyre both just "fight in water" right?
[16:42] <mhall119> different duties
[16:42] <mhall119> no
[16:42] <maco> O_o
[16:43] <maco> im pretty sure navy is water people...and marine...well "marine life" means "aquatic life" so...marine must mean water too...
[16:43] <daker> JanC, have you seen the scene 5 hours ago ?
[16:43] <mhall119> marines use the navy for mobility, but mostly fight on land
[16:43] <JanC> maco: and to make things confusing, the navy and the ground troups probably have their own airplanes...  ;)
[16:43] <maco> JanC: that shouldnt be allowed
[16:43] <mhall119> yes, they all have their own air crafts
[16:44] <maco> if you want airplanes, tuse the air force
[16:44] <mhall119> I'm pretty sure they all have their own boats too
[16:44] <maco> if you want boats, use the water people and darnit you only need one set of em!
[16:44] <jcastro> the navy has more planes than the airforce
[16:44] <jcastro> and the army has more boats than the navy
[16:44] <mhall119> think of them like different distros ;)
[16:44] <maco> jcastro: that seems stupid
[16:45] <maco> do any of them have any sense of purpose at all?
[16:45] <mhall119> man, this AJ live stream is eating up my CPI
[16:45] <mhall119> CPU
[16:45] <maco> "our job is to pretend to be water people and instead do stuff in air planes!"
[16:45] <mhall119> maco: yes
[16:45] <jcastro> the planes go on top of the ships
[16:45] <mhall119> the airplanes are used to compliment the water craft
[16:45] <mhall119> but the main purpose of the navy is to provide sea power
[16:46] <maco> hrmph. this is like giving an archer a ole arm
[16:46] <maco> *pole arm
[16:46] <maco> or putting infantry on horses. they by definition cease to be infantry and become cavalry
[16:46]  * mhall119 goes to see if CNN is coverting this story yet
[16:47] <mhall119> maco: well now they all ride in motorized vehicles
[16:47] <popey> simplistic maco is simplistic
[16:48] <JanC> well, the cavalry still has horses for parade days  :P
[16:48] <mhall119> yeah, the marines have swords for the same reason
[16:48] <JanC> in some armies teh cavalry is on off-road motorbikes now
[16:48] <mhall119> there's one for maco, the marines who don't fight on water and carry swords
[16:49] <maco> id call that a swordsman
[16:49] <maco> possibly a knight
[16:49] <mhall119> maco: also, the coast guard isn't part of the navy, go figure that one
[16:49] <popey> we have cross-service boards/councils
[16:49] <maco> how shiny is their armor?
[16:50] <mhall119> mostly dirty brown or green
[16:50] <maco> ok so robinhood
[16:50] <JanC> lol
[16:50] <mhall119> ha
[16:50] <maco> nah, he was an archer ;-)
[16:51] <mhall119> oh, the VP is announcing Mubarak's resignation now
[16:53] <JanC> he did some time ago  ;)
[16:53]  * mhall119 really hopes Egypt gets a civilian, republican government
[16:53] <daker> JanC, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-jJllBxZLI
[16:55] <JanC> daker: like I said, I hope it doesn't get too crowded there (as journalists reports large groups of people from all over the city want to celebrate and are moving towards the square)
[16:56] <JanC> you can only put so many persons on 1m²...
[16:56] <daker> if they are oganized yes :)
[16:58] <mhall119> daker: the problem is that when there isn't enough room, people can be accidentally hurt
[16:58] <mhall119> I think that's what JanC is worried about
[16:58] <JanC> exactly, that's what I mean
[16:58] <daker> yes i know :)
[16:58] <mhall119> when 200 people are moving in one direction, and 1 person is going the other way...
[16:59] <daker> mhall119, the video say it all
[17:00] <JanC> it looked safe at the time of that video, yes
[17:00] <daker> maybe i should show you the video of today
[17:01] <daker> they were more than 2millions according to Aljazeera in Tahrir square
[17:03] <dholbach> cam somebody stickify  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10449345 ?
[17:03] <dholbach> and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10449347 please
[17:05] <daker> haha rm -rf Mubarak && sudo apt-get install Egypt-2.0
[17:06] <popey> :)
[17:08] <mhall119> lol
[17:13] <daker> mhall119, the VP is not anymore VP just because the army takes the control
[17:13] <dholbach> alright my friends - keep on celebrating - I call it a day - see you all next week! have a good one!
[17:13] <daker> dholbach, bon week end!!
[17:13] <dholbach> daker, merci mon ami :)
[17:32] <jono> can someone give me access to #ubuntu-classroom
[17:33] <popey> I wonder what news source I am missing.
[17:33] <popey> I have not seen any announcement of these Q&A sessions
[17:33] <czajkowski> hmm no jcastro
[17:34] <daker> popey, each friday there is a Q&A sessions
[17:34] <popey> ok, this is news to me
[17:34] <popey> where was it announced?
[17:34] <AlanBell> facebook
[17:34] <popey> you are kidding?
[17:34] <daker> this was announced by jono
[17:34] <AlanBell> most recent stuff
[17:35] <popey> well, that's why I haven't seen it then
[17:35] <AlanBell> it seems to be an effective means of reaching oodles of random people and bypassing a lot of Ubuntu geeks
[17:35] <popey> Seems that way.
[17:35] <pleia2> it should probably be posted on ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com too (which goes to planet) but I'm not sure who on the classroom team jono is working with
[17:36] <AlanBell> doesn't turn up on my main facebook news feed, only on the "recent crap from everyone" page
[17:36] <jono> pleia2, oh that is news to me
[17:36] <pleia2> I just got the schedule updated yesterday in the learning events calendar
[17:36] <jono> yeah we need to promote this a little more
[17:36] <popey> +12
[17:37] <jono> can someone give me the web link to the online webchat for the two channels?
[17:37] <pleia2> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-classroom%2Cubuntu-classroom-chat
[17:38] <pleia2> the bot automatically announces it to the ubuntuclassroom feeds on identica and twitter
[17:45] <nigelb> mhall119: \o/ thanks
[17:45] <nigelb> jono: hey, did you get the conflict fixed for us? :)
[17:46] <jono> nigelb, conflict? you mean for dev week?
[17:46] <nigelb> jono: yup
[17:46] <jono> nigelb, not yet
[17:46] <jono> will do though
[17:46] <jono> should be simple enough
[17:46] <nigelb> :)
[17:47] <popey> questions queueing up... :)
[17:47] <nigelb> mhall119: I think I might build an app over the weekend and show case it ;)
[17:50] <jono> can someone voice robbie in -classroom ?
[17:50] <nigelb> jono: robbie is voiced
[17:51] <jono> he cant speak
[17:51] <doctormo> AlanBell: I'm detecting a pattern myself
[17:51] <doctormo> That's not like robbie at all ;-)
[17:54] <AlanBell> pleia2: there are better ways of doing a webchat link, you can do one with settings that turn off joins and parts
[17:55] <AlanBell> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-classroom%2Cubuntu-classroom-chat&uio=Mj10cnVlJjQ9dHJ1ZSY5PXRydWUmMTA9dHJ1ZSYxMT0yODcmMTI9dHJ1ZQf8
[17:55] <AlanBell> like that
[17:55] <pleia2> AlanBell: I find that option more annoying than useful so I never looked into it, but I guess for new users it would be better
[17:56] <AlanBell> 17:49 < runar_> everything i'm seeing are quits and joins
[17:56] <AlanBell> few messages like that in -chat
[17:56] <pleia2> yeah, you have to weigh that against the "nothing is happening, my browser is broken!111 hello???" comments
[17:57] <doctormo> AlanBell: How do you do that?
[17:57] <AlanBell> doctormo: top left, follow the wizard for add webchat to your website
[17:58] <doctormo> ok, thanks, perhaps we should put that into the link on loco directory?
[17:58] <AlanBell> doctormo: funnily enough, I coded the loco directory webchat integration . . .
[17:58] <AlanBell> it doesn't show joins and parts
[17:59] <doctormo> AlanBell: I thought I did that part... or maybe I just did the awesome icon for it.
[17:59] <doctormo> I forget
[18:01] <AlanBell> ah yes, I changed the functionality of the awesome icon
[18:01] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk
[18:01] <AlanBell> now in an iframe
[18:02] <doctormo> AlanBell: Why? that doesn't seem to make design sense.
[18:02] <AlanBell> did to me
[18:03] <doctormo> AlanBell: None of the other buttons do embeded iframes, and what happens if you have javascript switched off?
[18:04] <AlanBell> this one was nicely integrated http://loco.ubuntu.com/irc/
[18:05] <AlanBell> the loco ones launched a whole new window
[18:05] <AlanBell> and had confusing joins and parts turned on
[18:06] <AlanBell> if people see IP addresses they think it has all gone horribly wrong
[18:06] <doctormo> true
[18:07] <AlanBell> I think if you have javascript turned off then it is game over for the webchat anyhow
[18:11] <doctormo> AlanBell: But not for info about how to get to irc. Anyway I do think the irc chat button is cool
[18:12] <JanC> I think most people who really need a webchat have JavaScript enabled
[18:13] <JanC> and often don't know how to disable it...
[18:13] <JanC> or know how to re-enable
[18:14] <doctormo> JanC: Consider someone who is an expert god of the command line. How will they know what that icon means, how does it translate to a specific irc name
[18:14] <doctormo> that they can manually get to.
[18:17] <JanC> hm, good point, maybe the icon should link to a separate page that includes the correct info
[18:19] <JanC> so make sure it points to such a page by default, and if JavaScript is enabled you can still do something different?
[18:20] <JanC> (replace the link target with some action when JavaScript is enabled)
[18:51] <AlanBell> alt="IRC Channel (#ubuntu-uk)" title="IRC Channel (#ubuntu-uk)"
[18:51] <AlanBell> ^^ that is how
[18:53] <AlanBell> I am totally up for making it better
[19:00] <JanC> AlanBell: for peopel who don't see/read alt/title, make it a link with a href to a page that lists the info?
[19:02] <AlanBell> does <a href="irc:#ubuntu-uk"> have any merit in doing? Does that ever work?
[19:04] <JanC> AlanBell: only works in some browsers/systems, better link to a web page that has text (and maybe an irc: link for those with a browser+system that supports it)
[19:04] <JanC> not to mention you would also need to include the server
[19:04] <AlanBell> yeah, whatever the syntax is supposed to be
[19:05] <AlanBell> irc://irc.freenode.org/ubuntu-uk
[19:05] <JanC> it's disabled by default in Firefox IIRC
[19:05] <JanC> but enabled when you install ChatZilla
[19:05] <AlanBell> actually kind of works in chromium, launches xchat for me
[19:06] <AlanBell> not sure it would work with empathy
[19:06] <JanC> depends on a combination of browser support and MIME/url registrations
[19:06] <AlanBell> this is a cool feature btw: http://ubuntu-uk.org/todays-chatter/
[19:07] <AlanBell> that would be good to get in loco directory, it always embeds *todays* log for the channel
[19:07] <AlanBell> and we have this as the embedded webchat http://ubuntu-uk.org/join-the-conversation/
[19:08] <AlanBell> I see webchat as a basic introductory IRC client that will just work in a browser when you happen to arrive, then you get hooked and we start giving out the hard crack
[19:08] <JanC> well, not too much chatter on the ubuntu-be channel outside meetings, so maybe less useful for us  ;)
[19:09] <JanC> the "todays chatter" I mean
[19:09] <AlanBell> true, ours is a chatty place every day
[19:09] <JanC> and I agree that I consider web-chat mostly useful for "newbies"
[19:10] <nigelb> AlanBell: I'd +1 chattiness of #ubuntu-uk
[19:10] <JanC> although occasionally useful for others who are behind a proxy
[19:11] <JanC> or need to use somebody else's PC
[19:18] <JanC> #ubuntu-nl-offtopic is very chatty too, especially in the evening/night  ;)
[21:21] <nigelb> heya sense :)
[21:22] <sense> hey nigelb!
[21:22] <sense> How're you doing?
[21:22] <nigelb> Good good.  How about you?
[21:23] <duanedesign> hello sense
[21:23] <sense> Fine, had a busy period at school, but things have calmed down a bit now. Currently working on the reorganisation of Ubuntu Nederland.
[21:23] <sense> hi duanedesign
[21:23] <duanedesign> nigelb: how did your blog come across LinkedIn?
[21:23] <nigelb> duanedesign: wait, what?
[21:24] <duanedesign> nigelb: I got an email with a digest of different blogs from the Ubuntu Members on LinkedIn
[21:24] <duanedesign> nigelb: yours was one of them :)
[21:25] <duanedesign> It was the 'Have an interesting project you want to talk about? | Working with Ubuntu' blog post
[21:25] <nigelb> duanedesign: I'm guessign that's synced with planet
[21:25] <duanedesign> hmm, interesting
[21:26] <duanedesign> cool, just curious if you did something special
[21:26] <nigelb> heh, no
[21:26] <duanedesign> :)
[21:32] <jcastro> hmmmm
[21:32] <jcastro> tmobile is giving away phones for valentines
[21:32] <jcastro> I am thinking of upgrading
[21:32] <sense> Giving away?
[21:33] <jcastro> well, if I go back on contract
[21:33] <sense> ah
[21:33] <jcastro> and they're not free free, they just make you pay more per month
[21:33] <jcastro> I am delightfully on a european-style plan
[21:33] <sense> I did hear bad stories about T-Mobile in the US, though I don't have any troubles with them here.
[21:34] <sense> jcastro: What's the difference between an European-style and an US-style plan? :)
[21:34] <jcastro> but at $500 a pop an upgrade for me and my wife is like $1000 right up front, and that's brutal
[21:34] <jcastro> in the US the cell companies subsidize the phones
[21:34] <sense> here too
[21:34] <JanC> so "giving away in exchange for a way too expensive contract"  :P
[21:34] <sense> Paying up front is only necessary for cheaper contracts.
[21:34] <jcastro> so like, my G1 was originally $199 + a 2 year contract
[21:35] <jcastro> JanC: yeah, I just need to do the math to figure out if it's worth it
[21:35] <jcastro> but I know if I go there I'm going to get all excited when I play with a galaxy S
[21:35] <JanC> they want to make more money, not less  ;)
[21:37] <JanC> jcastro: you can buy subsidized phones in Europe too, it's just cheaper (in the long run) if you pay for your phone immediately
[21:37] <jcastro> ah
[21:38] <JanC> I'm pretty sure US phone companies work like that too  ;)
[21:38] <maco> im not sure about that
[21:38] <jcastro> I'm pretty sure we get screwed more
[21:38] <JanC> maco: I doubt they give free credit?
[21:38] <nigelb> I guessphone calls aer far less expensive for India than anywhere else ;)
[21:38] <maco> its like $60/mo if you want to setup a smartphone on tmobile that you bought elsewhere
[21:39] <JanC> maco: heh
[21:39] <maco> thats no cheaper than having a plan
[21:39] <duanedesign> jcastro: here there was a guy that waited 12 hours in front of a verizon store to get the iphone. When the store opened there were only two other people there to get the phone. I lol'd hard
[21:40] <JanC> so phone companies prefer to pre-finance your phone (and having to pay intrests themselves) over you doing so?
[21:40]  * JanC thought the US was a capitalist country...  :-/
[21:41] <jcastro> our telco carriers are pretty backwards
[21:42] <sense> The first contract I can find that doesn't require an up-front fee for the Galaxy S would be € 36,45 a month.
[21:42] <sense> Google says that is $49,28
[21:43] <JanC> sense: you mean a telco-financed phone?
[21:43] <sense> yes
[21:43] <JanC> and how long does that contract run (minimum)
[21:43] <JanC> 2 years probably?
[21:43] <sense> yep
[21:44] <sense> For one year there is always an up-front fee.
[21:45] <JanC> so that's 874,8 € for a Galaxy S, without doing any calls, or do you get any free calls?  ;)
[21:45] <jcastro> the thing is, the phones rev so fast it doesn't seem to make sense to do such an  upfront expense
[21:45] <sense> The cheapest two-year contract is € 21,45($29,00) a month, with an start fee of € 232,00($313,64)
[21:46] <sense> JanC: that is calls, texting and web.
[21:46]  * JanC has pre-paid, which costs me < 10 € / month, all calls included  :P
[21:46] <JanC> no data though
[21:46] <JanC> I could get data for 5€ extar or so
[21:46] <sense> I've got a very cheap Nokia 6300 with a €6,95/month two-year text-and-voice-only contract.
[21:47] <sense> Good enough for now, the contract will end once I start at uni.
[21:47] <paultag> I am livid right now. I did a site for someone, and it came out good. I'm no hack, I know when something's good. I just got a *text* telling me to pull it because it looks "bad"
[21:47] <JanC> sense: but 6.95 € doesn't include phone calles etc. I guess?
[21:47] <nigelb> paultag: WHAT!
[21:47] <paultag> nigelb: yeah. I'm not cheep, either.
[21:47] <sense> JanC: Of course, that's what you've got a contract for, for calls and texting.
[21:48] <sense> paultag: That is not nice.
[21:48] <JanC> sense: not in .be
[21:48] <paultag> sense: yeah, I'm not stoked.
[21:48] <sense> That's not how you treat people who do something for you.
[21:48] <JanC> you get some amount for free
[21:48] <sense> of coruse
[21:48] <paultag> sense: that's the last time I help out family
[21:48] <maco> paultag: oh family's always like that
[21:49] <maco> expect special treatment and extra discounts
[21:49] <nigelb> paultag: never do buisness with family.
[21:49] <maco> and think they can push you around
[21:49] <maco> yeah, what nigelb said
[21:49] <paultag> maco: it's exteded, so it's just far away enough to where we're not buddies
[21:49] <sense> Not always. I did a site for a family member, didn't turn out as bad as what you're describing.
[21:49] <paultag> maco: I've met them like twice before, and my mom was the one to ask me, it's really odd
[21:49] <jcastro> paultag: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell
[21:49] <jcastro> this will make you feel better
[21:49] <paultag> jcastro: +1 on that
[21:50] <paultag> jcastro: that is *exactly* where I see this going
[21:50] <nigelb> paultag: also, http://clientsfromhell.net/ will help
[21:50] <paultag> jcastro: so I'm cutting my losses and bailing
[21:50] <JanC> paultag: and now you mom will get the flack from both sides...  ;)
[21:50] <jcastro> paultag: smart man
[21:50] <paultag> JanC: +1 there
[21:50] <czajkowski> I'm well chuffed http://www.osor.eu/news/uk-government-committed-to-open-source
[21:50] <jcastro> do the next poor sap a favor and send that link to the guy
[21:51] <JanC> czajkowski: nice, doing a lightning talk and getting media attention  ;)
[21:51] <paultag> heh
[21:51] <czajkowski> aye
[21:52] <JanC> and I think osor.eu is relevant media for EU government stuff
[21:53] <sense> OSOR is the right place for this, I believe.
[21:53] <JanC> government IT departments all over the EU follow that
[21:53] <sense> czajkowski: Congratulations on getting mentioned there!
[21:53] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:53] <JanC> not all of them, but some of them at least
[21:53] <czajkowski> turns out I speak VERY fast
[21:53] <czajkowski> :s
[21:54] <JanC> I know FedICT do
[21:54] <JanC> czajkowski: for a lightning talk that's okay  ;)
[21:54] <czajkowski> I finished early
[21:54] <czajkowski> :)
[21:54] <czajkowski> then had 6 questions
[21:54] <JanC> nice
[21:54] <czajkowski> then went and drank a lot of beer!!
[21:54] <JanC> lol
[21:55] <nigelb> paultag: Web 2.0 is one word I *HATE* hearing right now
[21:55] <JanC> and ate chocolate I hope  ;)
[21:55] <czajkowski> oh yes
[21:55] <czajkowski> I did a lot of that
[21:55] <paultag> nigelb: dude, I'm not happy with them right now, at all. I don't want to hear anything web, at all
[21:55] <paultag> That's the last time I do web work, that's for sure.
[21:56] <czajkowski> paultag: oh cranky tag
[21:56] <czajkowski> :p
[21:56] <nigelb> paultag: /nick crabbytag? ;)
[21:56] <paultag> czajkowski: no, not cranky tag
[21:56] <paultag> czajkowski: I got screwed, it's not my fault this time
[21:57] <czajkowski> paultag: I deal with muppets for you shall I
[21:57] <czajkowski> I need a good old rant at something/one
[21:57] <paultag> czajkowski: they're my extended family, and they had me do a website for them. I just got a text saying to take it down because it was "bad"
[21:59] <czajkowski> *mutters*
[21:59] <czajkowski> see I've a rule. no work for family.
[21:59] <czajkowski> never lets me down
[21:59] <paultag> czajkowski: and it was most certenly not bad, it was work that I stand by, and I don't stand by crap, that's for shit sure
[21:59] <paultag> I'd delay and rewrite before I'd give someone crap
[21:59] <czajkowski> indeed
[21:59] <paultag> yeah, no more web, and no more family after this
[22:00] <czajkowski> safest
[22:09] <JanC> "bad" might mean "not my style"
[22:09] <paultag> "hi paul   is there any way to turn off the web page. Its not what we wanted and does not look good"
[22:09] <paultag> JanC: that's the text, verbatum
[22:09] <paultag> BRB, going to drink wine
[22:10] <JanC> paultag: maybe you'll need something stronger?  :P
[22:10] <nigelb> JanC: +1
[22:10] <Pendulum> paultag: wine is far too weak for that
[22:11] <JanC> OTOH, becoming honest might not fare well among family  ;)
[22:14] <AlanBell> paultag: go get a drink and contemplate what you might put on the website now, if you were evil
[23:46] <paultag> AlanBell: yeah, yeah :P
[23:46] <paultag> +1 there JanC
[23:46] <paultag> Pendulum: +1 :)
[23:58]  * JanC sends paultag a Belgian beer over IRC  :P
[23:58] <JanC> say, a Cookie Beer ?  ;)