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micahgbigon: is there a reason you added gjs back to natty?06:31
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didrocksgood morning07:36
pittiGood morning08:07
dpmmorning pitti, good morning all08:07
pittihey dpm08:08
SweetsharkGood morning all08:17
pittihey Sweetshark08:20
* Sweetshark sees his overnight build of LibreOffice-3.3.1.1 got all the way into the smoketest ...08:29
Sweetshark... just to fail there (looks like a simple permission problem though).08:30
mvodidrocks: hey, re your show-techitems-in-never-visible-mode> it feel to me like in NEVER_DISPLAY_NONAPPS it should also hide the "show nonapps" actionbar, what do you thnk?08:30
didrocksmvo: hum, no, otherwise in OneConf, we will never have that bar showing08:31
didrocksmvo: the mode is that you don't want "advanced smartness" like showing technical items if there are only apps08:31
didrocksmvo: that's particular to OneConf because we are checking "two sides" at once08:31
didrocksthe additional app/removed app08:31
didrocksso it's not important if one side is at 0, and not the other08:32
didrocksdoes it make sense?08:32
mvodidrocks: sure, you are currently the only user of this mode, so that is fine. you use it to avoid that the call is made twice?08:34
didrocksmvo: right and that in one side we are showing only app, and the other tech items + app08:34
didrocksmvo: but in any case, for natty +1, if I can have real time to work on oneconf, I'll do mpt's "one tree" interface so that will be not valid anymore08:35
didrockshaving two datamodel in one isn't really nice TBH !=08:35
didrockss/\!\=/:)08:35
pittihey didrocks08:35
didrocksgood morning pitti08:35
didrockshow are you?08:35
pittiSweetshark: congrats! it took me almost 3 days to get the maverick OO.o building on Natty even..08:36
pittididrocks: pretty well, thanks! saw "Black Swan" last night with some friends08:36
didrockspitti: oh, how was it?08:37
pittididrocks: a bit psycho (that was to be expected), but I had feared a lot worse08:37
pittinice composition of drama and art08:38
pittipretty much like unity :-P08:38
didrocksohhhh! :-)08:39
pittibut I liked the main conflict of it ("be perfect" vs. "just live, dammit")08:40
didrocksI think that can be interesting :)08:41
didrockseven if it's not the kind of movie I go to the cinema for08:41
* bryceh waves08:42
didrockshey bryceh08:42
pittihey bryceh, how are you?08:42
pittilate for you..08:42
brycehyeah a bit late :-)08:43
* Sweetshark waves back at bryceh.08:43
brycehbeen working on getting all my various boxes upgraded to latest natty and reporting resultant bugs ;-)08:43
brycehheya Sweetshark!08:43
brycehhey, probably simple question...  the date/time indicator now only shows the time.  Is there a way to force it to again show the date in panel?08:45
brycehI no longer know if it's Sunday, next Tuesday, August 13, ... ;-)08:45
pittiit shows if you open it08:46
pittioh, the date/time indicator shows appointments now, also if they are _totally_ wrong08:46
pittioh, they are a subset of mine from the entire week, and in 12 hour format08:46
RAOFAnd the clock's now in 24h format, and doesn't follow the cultural preference.08:49
pittiif only we had a set of country/language specific description of currency, time, paper, and so on08:49
pittiwe could call those "locales" or so08:50
brycehI know, we can screenscrape from canonicaladmin.com!08:50
pitti"to get your time format right, apply for a contract with Canonical"08:50
pitti?08:50
bryceh3 ...08:51
bryceh4 Profit!!08:51
pittidpm: tested en and de for lucid, adding to wiki page08:53
pittidpm: do you have some time to check Spanish?08:53
dpmpitti, yeah, I could do so, give me a few minutes and I'll add it there08:54
pitticool08:54
pittidpm: then I'll move the lot from that page to -updates, and we can roll the 10.04.2 CDs08:55
dpmpitti, ok08:55
dpmpitti, I've requested a full export for Natty. I think, if po2xpi works well, the language packs should build well too. I saw that the fi, oc, Lucid langpacks were not ok because the files exported from LP were incorrect (bug 715854), but I've had a look at the Natty ones and look ok. I think after danilo's changes and yours they should build ok. The export starts today at 14:00 UTC, perhaps we can have a look at them next week, then08:58
ubot2Launchpad bug 715854 in launchpad "Exported Firefox translations contain wrong references to languages other than the current" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71585408:58
pittidpm: hm, I thought I already tried them in devmode08:59
pittidpm: so perhaps I should disable the automatic natty cron job then, and build them manually first08:59
pitti(the cron jobs don't rebuild -base anyway)08:59
dpmpitti, did you try the natty ones?08:59
pittiyes, both08:59
dpmoh, I see :(09:00
pittiI might have done something wrong, of course09:00
pittithe 4.0 xpis seem to have changed in structure somehow09:00
pittibut I'll try again next Monday then09:00
pittithis week I was more concerned about fixing them for lucid (and fixing the bugs which broke the builds completely)09:00
dpmpitti, yeah, the 4.0 ones haven't got a compressed .jar file inside them, the files are now there uncompressed. That's what danilo fixed in po2xpi (adapted it to the 4.0 format)09:02
dpmpitti, btw is the cron job that uploads the natty ones really running? I see that the latest langpacks are from 2011-01-1709:03
pitti-rw-r--r-- 1 langpack langpack    1712 Feb  8 15:23 natty-upload.log09:03
pittithe date is right, but it's too small09:03
pittiargh, "unusable secret key" -- I thought I fixed that last week09:04
pittineed to investigate09:04
dpmok, thanks pitti09:04
pittioh, hang on09:04
pittithat was on Tuesday, before I fixed the stuff09:04
pittiso the next one should work09:04
dpmpitti, ok, the next one should be a full one, in case that makes a difference (I can still cancel the request the full export if necessary, though)09:05
pittidpm: no, that's fine; let's get natty firefox translations working09:05
dpmyeah09:06
pittididrocks: so there was no new bamf release yesterday after all; should I cherrypick the fix into the Ubuntu package?09:22
didrockspitti: I've done the release09:23
didrocksbut seems that I didn't dput as there were // issues with nux09:23
didrocksso side-tracked and forgot it09:23
didrockssorry, doing it09:23
pittididrocks: ah, don't worry09:23
pittididrocks: just wondered what to write in today's release report about this bug09:24
pittididrocks: you can't :)09:24
didrocks-rw-------  1 didrocks didrocks   1815 2011-02-10 17:59 bamf_0.2.78-0ubuntu1_source.changes09:24
pitti-ENOLAUNCHPAD09:24
didrocksoh right09:24
didrockssee, it was waiting there ^^09:24
didrockspitti: so just after, I'll push it09:24
* pitti uploads some stuff to Debian then :)09:24
* pitti hugs didrocks09:24
pittididrocks: no hurry, I was really just wondering if there was something bad about it09:24
* didrocks hugs pitti, sorry ETOOMANYTHINGINPARALLELANDFORGOTBAMF09:24
didrockspitti: no no, I've made the local release, uploaded the tarball to launchpad, tested it09:25
* pitti buys didrocks a bigger brain stack09:25
didrocksjust missing the final dput :)09:25
didrockspitti: it's needed!09:25
pittiwe so much need build from bzr!09:25
* mvo wants one as well!09:25
didrocksmvo: two for the price of one? :)09:26
didrockspitti: yeah…09:26
pittibuy one, forget one free!09:26
didrocksheh09:26
mvoso lp is down for 90min? I wish bzr would still allow me to push my code09:29
lifelessits a bit tricky to allow that09:30
seb128would be nice it would allow to pull code at least09:30
lifelessthe db that controlls access permissions is in readonly mode09:30
lifelessreadonly will be doable eventually09:30
geseris it expected that I get now also a menubar for the "desktop" nautilus and gnome-terminal where I disabled the menubar by default? (Classic Desktop)09:43
pittidpm: thanks for testing Spanish09:46
pittidpm: I think all these tests just referred to the GNOME langpacks, so I shouldn't copy the KDE ones yet?09:46
dpmpitti, hm, tough decision, but yeah, afaik all the testers on that page are Ubuntu (GNOME) people. We have never explicitly tested the KDE langpacks, and I'm not sure what we did in the past, whether we uploaded them or not.09:51
dpmI should add a section explicitly for KDE and a column for it on the table too09:52
pittiah, LP is back up10:15
pitti^ mvo, didrocks: FYI10:16
didrockspitti: thanks10:16
mvoyeah!10:17
Sweetsharkpitti: I will soon need to get a rundown of the publishing stuff: Should I register a new branch for the 3.3.1 LO at https://code.launchpad.net/~libreoffice ? How do I do the builds and uploads on various platforms etc.10:31
pittiSweetshark: not a +junk one, please10:34
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pittiSweetshark: https://code.launchpad.net/openoffice is the layout we had for oo.o, but perhaps we should make that a little more regular10:35
pittiSweetshark: our usual approach is to have lp:~ubuntu-desktop/projectname/ubuntu for the "packaging trunk"10:35
pittiSweetshark: which is also what should appear in the Vcs-Bzr: line10:35
pittiSweetshark: and if we need to do changes for older releases (SRUs, stable release updates), we call them /maverick10:36
pittiSweetshark: so I suggest to push your's to lp:~bjoern-michaelsen/libreoffice/ubuntu/10:36
pittiSweetshark: that is, we are talking about the debian/ branch here, right?10:36
pittinot an upstream import10:36
pittiSweetshark: I'm suggesting you as owner because you aren't in ~ubuntu-desktop yet10:37
pittiSweetshark: the owner can be changed later on, for now "owned by you" is fine10:37
pittiSweetshark: so I don't think we need a new branch for every upstream release10:38
pittiSweetshark: uploads> you need sponsoring, you aren't allowed to upload to Ubuntu yet10:39
pittiSweetshark: you can upload to a PPA, of course, for a first test (which would actually ease sponsoring, too)10:39
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Sweetsharkheh, yes: the debian branch, upstream imports for LO might be rather unfair to the launchpad team.10:41
pittiSweetshark: yeah, lp:~vcs-imports/openoffice/trunk doesn't seem very happy either10:43
pittiSweetshark: and I don't think they'd be too useful either10:43
pittiit's too much of a pain to derive the packaging branch from that one anyway10:44
pittiso debian/ only sounds fine for that10:44
Sweetsharkalso, debian is likely to move to git soon with their repo. As we are merging lots of stuff from them: is there a good bzr/git bridge ?10:44
pittiit kinda works, but not in both directions10:45
* Sweetshark is constantly botching his vcs commands with debian/ in bzr, LO in git and OOo in hg ...10:45
pittiSweetshark: once they do, I suggest to have an ubuntu branch in the Debian packaging git and negotiating with Debian that you can get commit access to it10:45
pittithat makes it so much easier to merge from each other10:46
pittiSweetshark: buy Rene a beer and promise him to not commit to his master branches? :-)10:46
pittiSweetshark: if he doesn't want to, then just move to git as well, I'd say10:47
pittithen you can still merge back and forth, they just live on different servers then10:47
Sweetsharkpitti: commit access to the debian repo was already offered to me, so that should not be a problem.10:47
pittiah, so much the better10:47
pittiSweetshark: over time, I suppose you would/should make packaging fixes in the debian branch as much as possible, and only keep the unavoidable delta in ubuntu10:48
Sweetshark... that is until I break debian for the first time ;)10:48
Sweetsharksure10:48
pittiI'd start with committing them to ubuntu branch and asking Rene to review/cherrypick10:48
pittiafter some time he'll tell you to JFDI10:49
pittior "JFCI" in that case :)10:49
SweetsharkWe currently have way to many "patching levels" in LO: The main repos, the stuff that gets patched upon it by libreoffice-build and then again, the stuff that gets patched upon that by debian/* ....10:50
pittiSweetshark: btw, were there any mysteries you stumbled over when you studied the libo and general packaging?10:50
pittiSweetshark: yeah, these are a pain10:50
pittiSweetshark: is libo-build what used to be go-oo?10:50
seb128Sweetshark, oh, and just as you know the debian lo maintainer doesn't like ubuntu much10:50
pittii. e. is that meant to gradually be merged into trunk? or stay forever?10:50
seb128Sweetshark, so if he has weird comments don't take it against you10:51
pittiseb128: well, so far we didn't really contribute anything back to Debian's packages..10:51
seb128he's usually reasonable with technical patches10:51
seb128pitti, well, he really hates ubuntu though10:51
pittiyeah he has a a bit of a grudge; but with Sweetshark now rocking the house that will hopefully get better :)10:51
dpmhi mvo, I can't get software-properties-gtk to run well on unity. It sometimes load, sometimes the window is hidden and I have to end up killing it. Do you know if this is a known bug?10:51
geserhow get I rid of those "unwanted" menubars I now get in the Classic Desktop in natty?10:52
pittigeser: I think the classic desktop now installs the menu bar applet by default; just delete it?10:52
Sweetsharkseb128: I helped getting some patches that debian cared about into OOo upstream ... so now it is kind of a reverted position.10:55
geserpitti: you mean the "indicator-appmenu" package?10:55
pittigeser: no, the applet in the panel10:56
pittioh, I thought it was a separate applet; I was 90% sure I removed that10:56
pittigeser: but if it's the package, sure10:56
pittibut it shouldn't be necessary to remove that package to remove the global menu10:56
geserpitti: I've a menubar (from nautilus) on my second screen where I have no panel10:56
geserand gnome-terminal shows also it's menubar even as I've no menubar on new terminals selected in the options10:57
Sweetsharklibo-build is ex-go-oo. There are still >600 patches in the dev300 folder alone though ....10:57
pittigeser: can't you right-click on the menu bar in the panel and "remove"?10:57
pittiSweetshark: right, I know it's huge; I was just wondering if that will eventually be merged10:57
geserpitti: no, I'll make a screenshot10:58
geserpitti: http://www.bienia.de/tmp/Screenshot.png11:00
pittigeser: hm, no idea about that then; kenvandine ^ ?11:02
Sweetsharkpitti: It has to be merged asap. However, if I will state that too loud I'll have to do it. Since some patches are only applied conditionally (some distros do, others dont) there is also diplomacy involved in that. But it has to be done, because currently users are told dont file issue of your non-vanilla build at freedesktop.org and on launchpad they are told to not file upstream feature requests. This is frustrating for users and thus11:05
SweetsharkHaving too many different patchsets is very bad from a QA point of view.11:06
pittiyeah, absolutely11:07
pittiand nobody really knows which patches are applied where, and thus you effectively have 10.000 combinations out there11:08
mvodpm: hello, let me try that after lunch, maybe something with the gir stuff?11:08
pittimvo: current natty softwarwe-properties doesn't use GI yet, though11:08
pittiit's pure pygtk11:09
pittibut FWIW, it works well here (natty, unity)11:09
Sweetsharkpitti: also at LO upstream is not upsteam: developers usually do a "native build", that is without the patches from libo-build. Another thing that can be heal by moving as much as possible directly in the master ...11:09
mvopitti: aha, sorry, you are right of course11:10
mvopitti: my head connected dpm with language-selector11:10
pitti:)11:11
pittibut that works like a charm for sure, as it's GI!!11!11:11
dpmmvo, no rush, I just thought I'd mention it. I can trigger the problem when I load software-properties-gtk from the command line11:11
pittidpm: with sudo or gksu?11:12
dpmpitti, with sudo and without11:12
pittiit doesn't run as user, it just brings up an error dialog "plz run me as root"11:12
dpmbut unity has started behaving a bit crazy here, I'm not sure if that's the cause11:13
* Sweetshark realizes what a luxury it was to build with --disable-binfilter --disable-mozilla as a developer ...11:13
dpmbrb11:13
dpmwith gksu works well, I only get a hidden window when running it with sudo or without, from the command line11:22
pittimvo: yay, got s-properties running with GI11:48
pittimvo: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pitti/software-properties/pygi/revision/65011:49
pittimvo: now the MirrorTestGTK class doesn't actually do anything GTK specific any more11:50
pittimvo: I could simplify this a lot now, by adding the changes to the main MirrorTest class, and just using that from both -gtk and -kde, if you want me to?11:50
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cyphermoxgood morning12:01
* didrocks just receives his 23' monitor \o/12:01
pittihey cyphermox, how are you?12:01
didrockshey cyphermox12:02
pittididrocks: niice! size does matter!12:02
didrockspitti: heh ;) yeah, I will not anymore break my eyes on a 17' for 1920x120012:03
didrocksI'll have the same resolution on a way bigger screen :)12:03
cyphermoxpitti, hey, doing alright12:07
chrisccoulsondidrocks, nice!12:08
chrisccoulsoni miss my monitor, i still can't connect it to my laptop without crashing it12:09
mvopitti: please12:09
mvodidrocks: niccce, which one did you get?12:09
* mvo was considering a 23/24" for some time already12:09
didrocksmvo: it's a samsung SyncMaster F2380, I have no clue about hw, so I relied on some magazine to compare to see what's nice for non-game usage12:10
* Sweetshark likes his Sun X7236 24" screen ... Though you have to be careful to turn down the brightness -- it might blind you otherwise ...12:14
* didrocks knows the first thing to do with the monitor for the week-end: reinstalling the server at home and reset up his blog :)12:18
pittididrocks: and your IRC proxy? :-)12:20
didrockspitti: I'm not sure about that one… I feel my heart "lighter" when knowing I can't be pinged on IRC while being away TBH…12:20
pittiah, ok12:21
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didrockswe'll see ;)12:22
pittimvo: ok, resubmitted12:22
* pitti sends didrocks a ---`--,<@ flower for dput'ing bamf12:27
* pitti lunch, bbl &12:27
didrockspitti: done ;)12:28
didrocksenjoy!12:28
stgraberdidrocks: yeah ! now you can debug my dual head issues ;)12:38
didrocksstgraber: heh, I think I'll be forced to ;)12:38
didrocksI don't know where cyphermox is with that btw12:38
cyphermoxdidrocks, with what?12:41
stgrabercyphermox: wow, you're up early ;)12:41
cyphermoxI've been up for an hour12:42
didrockscyphermox: multimonitor support, I think you started it, isn't it?12:42
cyphermoxdidrocks, ah, yeah12:42
cyphermoxI don't understand GL enough to continue though, it's still the same issue, it works when unity starts, but if there is a res change, everything is "fine" except the panel and launcher don't get repainted where they should be, and I haven't been able to get them to do it12:43
cyphermoxI've been busy with NM and other stuff since12:43
didrockscyphermox: sure, no worry12:45
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pittiseb128: should we drop some of your remaining WIs for cleaning up old libs? this will be significantly easier with gnome 3.0 in the next cycle, I guess?13:33
seb128pitti, we are like 2-3 source away to drop some so I was keeping those on purpose13:34
pittiseb128: oh, good to hear13:34
seb128pitti, like libglade it's only checkbox which ara seems to have a vcs for and pitivi13:34
pittiI had the feeling that was pretty much "done" now for .3213:35
seb128libgnomeui, etc is probably going to be deferred due to tomboy13:35
pittiseb128: I was actually wondering about pitivi after reading Robert's trip report13:35
seb128they use gconfpeditor which is using libgnome13:35
seb128it's probably not worth the effort to port this cycle13:35
pitti*nod*13:36
seb128pitti, well it seems not likely we will change pitivi this cycle13:36
seb128we might want to port it to gtkbuilder still13:36
seb128but at the same time libglade is small enough that it might not be worth the efforts13:36
seb128I will drop the summary on the spec and update the work items13:36
pittiI was a bit concerned to read that even upstream devs say it's not well maintained ATM13:37
seb128pitti, well it's like it was the only project short on people maintaining it13:39
pittiheh13:40
chrisccoulsondoes anybody else dislike the new behaviour of bash-completion?13:45
* bcurtiswx waves to room13:48
pittichrisccoulson: how so?13:48
chrisccoulsonpitti - say, if i want to do "ls" in a directory that is several folders deep, i could just tab-complete my way down the hierarchy13:49
pittithat seems unchanged here13:50
chrisccoulsonpitti - it's broken in the latest bash-completion. when you hit tab and it completes a filename, the cursor ends up in a position where you can't descend any further13:51
chrisccoulson(ie, at each level, you have to hit backspace, and then tab again)13:51
chrisccoulsonthat changed in the latest bash-completion13:51
chrisccoulsoni'm finding it difficult to describe the behaviour ;)13:52
pittihm,  it completes to dir[tab] -> dirname/ for me, as it should13:52
chrisccoulsonpitti - it completes to dir[tab] -> dirname | (with '|' being the new cursor position)13:52
chrisccoulson(for me, anyway)13:52
chrisccoulsonso, hitting tab no longer lists the contents of "dirname"13:53
cyphermoxjust a wild guess like this, but I think indicator-datetime has some issues with geoclue right now...13:53
chrisccoulsonand i have to press backspace instead13:53
chrisccoulsonpitti - which bash-completion do you have?13:53
pitti1:1.3-1ubuntu113:53
pittichrisccoulson: but that shouldn't affect file name completion, that's bash itself13:53
pittibash-completion does stuff like expand package names for "apt-get" or options for make13:54
chrisccoulsonpitti - hmmm, that's strange. when i downgraded bash-completion, i got the old behaviour back again :/13:54
pittichrisccoulson: hm, so maybe some script there mis-matches13:54
pittichrisccoulson: it's at least not meant to fiddle with file name completion13:54
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chrisccoulsonhmmm, X just died14:04
chrisccoulsonpitti - this is what happens with me - http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/bash-completion.ogv14:05
chrisccoulsona screencast explains it much better ;)14:05
cyphermoxcould someone please review my merge requests for connman and ofono?14:06
chrisccoulsoncyphermox, oh, you can't upload those?14:06
cyphermoxchrisccoulson, nah :)14:07
cyphermoxchrisccoulson, I'll run for motu at the end of the month though, I think14:07
chrisccoulsoncyphermox, i can review those later on if nobody else beats me to it ;)14:07
chrisccoulsoni've got some other things to do first though14:07
chrisccoulsonyeah, you should :)14:07
cyphermoxprobably should for desktop team as well, maybe14:08
pittichrisccoulson: ugh, that's indeed nasty14:08
chrisccoulsonpitti - it goes away if i downgrade bash-completion :/14:08
pittichrisccoulson: but it's not doing that for me, and I think it's a bug14:08
pittichrisccoulson: apparently it misidentifies a directory as a file?14:08
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah, it seems like that14:08
chrisccoulsonit was driving me crazy yesterday ;)14:09
seb128kenvandine, hey14:27
chrisccoulsonpitti, it is this chunk in /etc/bash_completion that breaks it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/565880/14:28
chrisccoulsoni just reverted it, and it works again :)14:29
pittichrisccoulson: hm, that looks wrong indeed -- why wouldn't ls, less, patch, diff, etc, take filenames??14:30
rsalvetiseb128: hey, can you help reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/clutter/gles/+merge/49333?14:31
rsalvetifor arm we want clutter to use the gles backend14:31
rsalvetiI ported the old modifications with some other fixes, and it's working fine on arm14:31
chrisccoulsonpitti - not sure ;)14:32
chrisccoulsondo you think it's ok to revert that change then?14:32
seb128rsalveti, hey, can you request review from ~ubuntu-desktop for it?14:32
seb128rsalveti, I will try to review it but not likely today, it's 3pm on a friday and I still have work I want to do before the end of the day14:32
rsalvetiseb128: it's already, but I'm pinging you directly because you know more about clutter14:33
rsalvetiseb128: don't worry14:33
rsalvetilast time my merge proposal was there for a week14:33
rsalvetiand then we got a package update14:33
seb128rsalveti, ok, thanks, I will review it when I've some free time, like on monday then14:33
rsalvetiseb128: sure, np, thanks a lot14:33
seb128we don't plan clutter updates so it should be ok14:33
seb128thanks14:33
rsalvetiseb128: and this only affect arm14:34
seb128right14:34
bcurtiswxken was up late last night, i can vouch for that14:37
bcurtiswxas i was too :-\14:37
seb128what did you guys work on?14:37
bcurtiswxkenvandine, was working on getting the new launcher API stuff working with xchat-gnome and i was working on empathy14:38
bcurtiswxhe got it working, i'm quite close.  if i reset unity then the count shows on the empathy icon, but it doesn't update.. and i have both unity and libunity from trunk14:40
kenvandinehey tedg14:48
kenvandinei'm fixing your dual build problems now14:48
kenvandinewelcome to my hell :)14:48
tedgkenvandine, Heh, I think if I look at the commit logs you brought that to my world ;)14:49
kenvandineit was building when i committed :)14:49
seb128grr, not sure what I hate most now, gnome-polkit for crashing, update-manager to hanging when it does or compiz to screw when apport triggers because of update-manager14:50
kenvandineseb128, ah, another version of hell there14:51
pittichrisccoulson: where does that come from? debian? I don't mind personally if you revert it, but I guess you should file a bug then14:52
Sweetsharkpatti: Now for a real stupid question: Were do the human icons come from? Everything is enabled for them in the 3.3.1.1 package I just build, but the actual icons are missing (I used a copy of the tango icon for testing here).14:54
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah, it was merged from debian14:54
pittiSweetshark: good question -- I assume they were an extra tarball in the openoffice.org source package?14:55
glatzorseb128, got a problem with aptdaemon and policykit?14:56
Sweetsharkpitti: well, in all the versions I have here the are gone already ... gotta find an old package.14:58
pittihmm14:59
pittiSweetshark: http://paste.ubuntu.com/565898/ -- can't see them there14:59
pittiand yet14:59
pittiPackage: openoffice.org-style-human14:59
pittiSource: openoffice.org14:59
pittiSweetshark: so if you unpack the openoffice.org sources and apply the patches, there should be a images_human.zip file somewhere15:00
seb128glatzor, I think it's rather update-manager being stupid15:02
kenvandinetedg, i am doing the libappindicator builds again dance over here :-D15:02
seb128glatzor, it the gnome-polkit-daemon crashes it just goes in "waiting for a timeout having a blocked ui"15:02
seb128glatzor, or if you deny the pwd dialog15:03
tedgkenvandine, woot!15:03
tedgkenvandine, I was going through it last night and realizing that we really need a way to "distcheck" with GTK3.15:03
seb128kenvandine, ted: is the calendar indicator known to not display events which are not on the current day or on remote calendars15:03
seb128?15:03
seb128tedg, kenvandine: btw what happened to indicator-appmenu, no tarball this week?15:04
kenvandineseb128, it is only for the default local calendar15:04
tedgseb128, Remote calendars yes, I didn't know about the events.15:04
seb128tedg, kenvandine: would be nice to have updates so we can keep testing menus with the current stack15:04
tedgseb128, Still working on them :(  Got blocked on libappindicator... fun... yeah, that's it.15:04
kenvandinetedg, distcheck with gtk3 worked for me... when i did it :)15:04
mvoseb128: pfff ;)15:04
kenvandineseb128, indeed... tedg was busy messing with multi-builds15:04
seb128mvo, hey, your software is driving me crazy, it keeps screwing my desktop enough that I need to restart my session every second time I use it15:05
seb128kenvandine, hum, k, why is libappindicator blocking indicator-appmenu?15:05
kenvandineseb128, it really sucks we can't do remove events in indicator-datetime, but apparently that will be way to slow :/15:05
seb128seems they are different code15:05
kenvandineseb128, not directly, i am sure15:05
seb128kenvandine, what? can't do?15:05
kenvandinejust tedg was busy with fixing that instead of releasing appmenu15:05
seb128mvo, no offense to you ;-)15:05
kenvandineindicator-datetime doesn't display any events on remote calendars, apparently eds doesn't cache any of that15:06
seb128hum15:06
seb128it doesn't but it will for natty right?15:06
kenvandineso when the menu loads we would have to wait for the remote calendar to respond with events15:06
seb128why can't it be populated in an async way rather?15:07
kenvandinei don't think so, apparently it is a wanted feature in eds that is hard to implement15:07
mvoseb128: what about just fixing polkit ;) ?15:07
seb128the standard GNOME applet does it...15:07
mvoseb128: but yeah, let me have a look whats going on when the auth thing crashes15:07
kenvandinei think karl sadi eds doesn't have async methods for that15:07
seb128mvo, funny you speak about that it seems we get lot of crashes due to your session registration patch ;-)15:07
kenvandineseb128, karl said that is why the gnome applet takes so long to load15:07
seb128kenvandine, the old gnome-panel applet just does it15:07
seb128wth?15:08
seb128kenvandine, I just tried, the applet loads fine and event are displayed in an asycn way15:08
kenvandinedunno, chat with karl about it... that is how he described it to me a couple days ago15:08
kenvandinei was disappointed by the same thing15:08
seb128kenvandine, ok thanks15:10
geserkenvandine: Hi, do you have an idea why I get that menubar from nautilus on my desktop? (http://www.bienia.de/tmp/Screenshot.png) (natty, classic desktop)15:23
chrisccoulsonthat's deliberate isn't it?15:23
chrisccoulsoni don't like the nautilus menubar showing, i think it's weird15:24
kenvandinegeser, yeah, what chrisccoulson  said15:24
chrisccoulsoncan we get rid of it? :)15:24
gesergnome-terminal shows me also a menubar even as I select no menubar by default15:24
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chrisccoulsongeser, yeah, that's expected too. what should happen is that the option in gnome-terminal should be hidden when there is a global menubar15:25
chrisccoulsoni've done the same in firefox already (hidden the option to hide the menubar)15:25
geserthe classic desktop also gets a global menubar?15:25
chrisccoulsongeser, i think it does now15:26
glatzorseb128, aptdaemon.policykit1 should raise the AuthorizationFailed in this case15:26
chrisccoulsonmine has got one anyway ;)15:26
kenvandinetedg, libappindicator uploaded and pushed, so you can merge to see how i fixed it15:37
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tedgkenvandine, Great, will do!15:40
tedgkenvandine, appmenu-gtk on it's way.15:40
kenvandinewoot15:40
kenvandinetedg, this is extra fun on a friday, there is no api breakages right?15:41
tedgkenvandine, Naw, minor updates.15:41
tedgkenvandine, Mostly keeping cadence really.15:41
kenvandinegood15:41
seb128kenvandine, tedg, mterry: great work on the appmenu front, it's really solid15:42
kenvandineit really has gotta significantly better in the past week or so15:43
tedgkenvandine, We introduced some crashers on purpose so when they went away you'd feel like it's "so much better" ;)15:43
kenvandinei kind of assumed so15:44
seb128tedg, kenvandine: there is one libappindicator issue which is annoying15:44
seb128gnome-policykit-daemon crashes often in libappindicator code15:45
seb128in app-indicator.c l127915:45
seb128theme_changed_cb()15:45
seb128if (priv->dbus_registration != 0 && priv->connection != NULL) {15:45
seb128I didn't manage to get the issue under valgrind yet though15:46
seb128but it does often crash when I use update-manager15:46
tedgseb128, Hmm, okay.  Probably not disconnecting a signal.15:46
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seb128what is weird is that there is no theme change15:47
seb128so not sure why this cb is called15:47
micahgbigon: is there a reason you added gjs back to natty?16:04
rodrigo_GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'com.canonical.indicators.sound' is not installed16:05
rodrigo_is that schema in some not-released-yet version of the indicator stuff?16:05
tedgseb128, I'm guessing that gsd shutting down or some such?16:05
bigonmicahg: well it is needed for some developers, by gnome-shell16:05
micahgbigon: right, but gnome-shell isn't in the archive, I'd rather not support gjs if we don't have gnome-shell, it's currently staged in the GNOME3 PPA, does anything else need it16:06
seb128rodrigo_, should be in the current natty version16:06
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, right, I see an update here16:06
seb128tedg, well I doubt so, it's like "use update-manager to install some binaries, then use it again to install some extra ones"16:07
seb128tedg, I tend to pick the few ones I want to try now then select other upgrades and do a second round16:08
seb128tedg, thinking about it, it could be after an icon cache update on disk16:08
tedgseb128, Hmm, interesting.16:08
bigonmicahg: if there is ABI breaks from mozjs I will take care of rebuilding the package16:10
micahgbigon: I'm more worried about xulrunner transitions, can you commit to porting to future xulrunner releases?16:10
bigonmicahg: well the pkg is maintained in debian too16:11
bigondo you expect such xulrunner transitions soon?16:11
micahgbigon: possibly, it depends on what can be worked out with Mozilla's new 3 month release schedule plans16:11
bigonin 3 months natty is release so I guess that GNOME 3 will enter the official achive16:13
micahgbigon: yes, but we don't need gjs for natty, we can add it back when gnome-shell hits the archive16:13
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bigonwell the reason no other package use it is quite thin IMHO16:22
micahgbigon: when there are no problems supporting it sure16:31
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rodrigo_my computer hates me today :(16:44
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seb128pitti, new pygobject tarball16:58
seb128just fyi16:58
seb128you probably want to call it a week after the meeting16:58
seb128it can wait for next week as well ;-)16:58
pittiseb128: guess what just finished building here :)17:04
seb128;-)17:04
* pitti is hanging out regularly in the gi channels now17:04
pittiseb128: I'm in release meeting, but I still want to test/uplaod this17:04
pittiseb128: syncing g-i from experimental now, FYI (you asked about it yesterday)17:10
seb128pitti, oh right, forgot to do that, thanks17:11
seb128tedg,17:12
seb128==8284== Invalid read of size 417:12
seb128==8284==    at 0x40654BB: theme_changed_cb (app-indicator.c:1279)17:12
seb128==8284==    by 0x45C948B: g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID (gmarshal.c:79)17:12
seb128==8284==    by 0x45AD351: g_closure_invoke (gclosure.c:767)17:12
seb128==8284==    by 0x45C0047: signal_emit_unlocked_R (gsignal.c:3252)17:12
seb128==8284==    by 0x45C8B28: g_signal_emit_valist (gsignal.c:2983)17:12
seb128but it doesn't give extra details about where it was freed before17:12
tedgseb128, Hmm, okay.  I'll have to do an audit of that signal I think.17:13
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tedgkenvandine, Can you add bug 597317 to the indicator-session changelog please?  I forgot :(17:21
ubot2Launchpad bug 597317 in indicator-session "Text on shutdown and restart boxes is selected while tabbing" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59731717:21
kenvandinetedg, sure17:21
chrisccoulsonok, i officially hate swt-gtk and java17:21
pittigood night everyone! have a nice weekend17:50
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polslinuxhi to all!21:00
JanCis somebody tracking banshee for natty?21:08
JanCI tried a backport of the new banshee versions to maverick, and it's totally unusable21:09
JanCI killed it at 4 GiB memory usage or so21:09
JanC:-(21:09
patrickmwjibel; do you still need that output?22:51
jibelpatrickmw, yep, there is an issue that I'd like to investigate in LDTP which fails to resolve correctly keysyms to keycode.22:54
patrickmwjibel: https://pastebin.canonical.com/43253/22:55
jibelpatrickmw, thanks, that confirms what I thought. I'll fix that next week. Have a nice week end.23:01
patrickmwjibel: np, and hasn't your weekend already begun?!23:01
jibelpatrickmw, Oh, you're right, 4 minutes ago ! I need to hurry now23:04
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