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* victorp waves to skaet16:00
zulhi16:00
* skaet waves victorp, zul16:00
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skaet#startmeeting16:00
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Davieyo/16:00
skaethi everyone.  :)16:01
skaetReminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.    If someone wants to comment on the last point, please "o/", so we know to wait.16:01
pittihello16:01
skaetAgenda is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-02-1116:01
skaetMilestoned bugs for alpha3 can be found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone=33573.16:02
skaet[TOPIC] Natty overview16:02
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skaet[ACTION] release team needs to revisit release freeze date, and its relation to beta 2.16:03
MootBotACTION received:  release team needs to revisit release freeze date, and its relation to beta 2.16:03
skaetjust figured I'd get that one out of the way as something that needs to be looked at.  :)16:04
skaetreminder that Feature freeze will be coming up on February 24th,  Alpha 3 on March 3rd.16:04
skaetany other general release issues that need to get high lighted?16:05
skaet..16:05
skaetok, on to the roundtables..16:06
skaet[Topic] QA team update - jibel16:06
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jibelHi all!16:06
jibel * Natty Alpha 3 Work Items16:06
jibelhttp://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-platform-qa-natty-alpha-3.html16:06
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jibelNo work items started yet.16:06
jibelTwo additional items were carried over from Alpha-216:06
jibelhggdh2 - cloud-server-n-uec-qa - Automate UEC tests setup (image creation, configuration setup)16:06
jibelhggdh2 - cloud-server-n-uec-qa - Automate user creation on the UEC tests (depends on euca-add-user/other)16:06
jibel * QA Dashboard16:07
jibelhttp://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qadashboard/qadashboard.html16:07
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jibelNote linux, libreoffice and unity in both the "Last Day" and "Last 7 Days" metrics16:07
jibel * Testing status:16:07
jibelDesktop Automated Testing results16:07
jibelhttp://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/16:07
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jibel303 tests in classic desktop and 279 in Unity16:07
jibelList of bugs found is at the bottom of page.16:08
jibelServer Automated Testing results16:08
jibelhttp://204.236.234.12/view/ISO-server-Natty/?16:08
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jibel3 failures under investigation by hggdh.16:08
jibel..16:08
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skaetthanks jibel!   any questions?16:09
skaet[Topic] Hardware Certification team update - victorp16:09
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victorpThis week we had to skip desktops for the weekly testing, as we were16:09
victorpshipping them from Montreal to Lexington.16:09
victorpThe report can be found, as usual, at:16:09
victorpleaks that are causing X to crash:16:09
victorp[LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/71482916:09
MootBotLINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/71482916:09
ubottuUbuntu bug 714829 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Xorg segfaults during LiveCD installation using preseed file" [High,Incomplete]16:09
victorpWe will provide Bryce the information he's asking for.16:09
victorpOn servers we got the best coverage to date :-) All the servers16:09
victorpscheduled to be certified for 11.04, except one, reported results. We16:09
victorpare investigating this one, that seems to be an infrastructure issue.16:09
victorpFrom the ones that reported back, one failed installation, because of a16:10
victorpweird memory leak that is causing a failure in grub-installer:16:10
victorp[LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox-satellite/+bug/71639716:10
MootBotLINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox-satellite/+bug/71639716:10
ubottu'Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized\nResponse headers:\n---\nconnection: close\ncontent-length: 21\ncontent-type: text/plain\ndate: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:10:05 GMT\nserver: zope.server.http (HTTP)\nstatus: 401\nvia: 1.1 wildcard.launchpad.net\nx-pad: avoid browser bug\nx-powered-by: Zope (www.zope.org), Python (www.python.org)\n---\nResponse body:\n---\nBug 716397 is private\n---\n (https://launchpad.net/bug16:10
ubottu'Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized\nResponse headers:\n---\ncontent-length: 21\ncontent-type: text/plain\ndate: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:10:06 GMT\nserver: zope.server.http (HTTP)\nstatus: 401\nvia: 1.1 wildcard.launchpad.net\nx-powered-by: Zope (www.zope.org), Python (www.python.org)\n---\nResponse body:\n---\nBug 716397 is private\n---\n (https://launchpad.net/bugs/716397)'16:10
victorpcjwatson is already on it, and we will provide the information he needs.16:10
victorpIn other areas:16:10
victorp* we are meeting next week to discuss the future of boot metrics16:10
victorp* we are suppose to start unity hw compatibility but we haven't got the test suite yet from Unity team.16:10
victorp..16:10
cjwatsono/16:10
cjwatsoner, what?16:10
victorp?16:10
cjwatsonI'm not on that bug, seeing as I can't read it16:10
skaeto/16:10
victorpoops - that is the link to the checkbox bug16:11
victorpI will send you the right one16:11
skaetvictorp,  cut/paste error? - not seeing report link.16:12
cjwatsonare you referring to bug 695842?16:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 695842 in grub-installer (Ubuntu Maverick) "Cannot install on HP Proliant DL385 G7 - dual RAID controllers" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69584216:12
victorpyes16:12
cjwatsonthere was an out-of-memory there, but it seems to have been transient16:12
victorpput the wrong bug ;)16:12
victorp[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/current16:13
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/current16:13
victorp^^ weekly report16:13
cjwatsonthe last comment indicates that the grub-installer patch fixed the problem, even though the out-of-memory error was well before grub-installer ran16:13
cjwatsonso I think that can only usefully be chalked up as unreproducible16:13
cjwatsonthe fix for 695842 is in -proposed queues and will be ready for testing after 10.04.216:13
victorpok16:14
skaetthanks for link. :)16:14
victorpskaet - no probs16:14
* victorp needs to find a better copy/paste way16:15
* skaet looks around, no hands, going on...16:15
skaetthanks victorp16:15
skaet[Topic] Security team update - jdstrand16:15
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jdstrandhi16:15
jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:15
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:15
jdstrand[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html16:15
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jdstrandFor the most part, this last week we have been very busy focusing on stable release updates and have also been fixing security issues in natty. We have no milestoned features or bugs for alpha-3.16:16
jdstrandIn terms of blueprints, I did manage to write and upload aa-disable, which complements aa-enforce and aa-complain for managing apparmor profiles and I wrote some preliminary profiles for telepathy backends. kees has worked on a kernel /proc/net leak patch and has completed updating existing upstart job files with apparmor integration to use the new apparmor-profile-load tool.16:16
jdstrandWe have started tracking a few bugs from other teams that are of particular interest to us. Specifically bug #344878, bug #712662, bug #714908 and bug #714958.16:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 344878 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "file name too long when creating new file (ecryptfs_lookup: lookup_one_len() returned [-36] on lower_dentry)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34487816:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 712662 in bash (Ubuntu Karmic) "network redirection has been enabled" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71266216:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 714908 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu Natty) "gnome-keyring reads unsafe SSH keys" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71490816:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 714958 in nautilus (Ubuntu Natty) "desktop should disable automounting when screen is locked" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71495816:16
jdstrandI'm not sure about how to approach these within the context of this meeting, but for now it is fine to simply mention we are watching those.16:16
jdstrandwrt 714958 we also filed a related bug #715874 which is apparmor profiles for various thumbnailers. All have been started and are available via bzr (and in the bug), but we have not committed to getting those in before feature freeze as it will require a lot of testing and there are other more pressing issues at the moment.16:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 715874 in totem (Ubuntu) "gnome thumbnailers should have an apparmor profile" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71587416:17
cjwatson712662> waiting for doko to return from holiday there16:17
* jdstrand nods16:17
jdstrand..16:17
skaetthanks jdstrand,  appreciate you mentioning the bugs you're watching.16:17
jdstrandnp :)16:18
* skaet looks around for o/'s, nope not seeing any moving on. :)16:18
skaet[Topic] Kernel team update - apw16:18
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apwo/16:19
apwOverall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:16:19
apw[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:19
apw[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-3.html16:19
apw[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg16:19
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:19
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-3.html16:19
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apwThe natty-alpha-2 kernel seemed to be holding up pretty well so far.  Since the freeze lifted we have uploaded two kernels with the latest v2.6.38-3.30 (v2.6.38-rc4 based).  These have brought a swathe of fixes for graphics.  Overall we are looking good on longer term tasks with most of the key deliverables complete.  There are few direct deliverabled for natty-alpha-3, we are now tracking mainline and fielding issues as they appear.16:19
apwOf the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as below:16:19
apw#344878 ecryptfs long filename prototype continues to evolve with a second push going to upstream, we will need to make a decision on disabling this shortly;16:19
apw#539467 SATA alpm is now disabled in userspace, upstream discussions are ongoing;16:19
apw#542660, #600453, and #681877 (all black screen issues) are in various stages of testing, results are a mixed bag;16:19
apw#630748 remains waiting on Intel for updated wireless firmware;16:19
apw#636091 is looking like a locking issue in USB, possibly to do with the BKL, investigation continues; and16:19
apw#702090 looks to be an interaction with vesafb, upstream are saying "don't do that".16:20
apwThe other bugs seem to be non-kernel packages, status is recorded on our status page where available (first link above).16:20
apw..16:20
skaetthanks apw!   appreciate the details on the bugs.16:20
cjwatsono/16:21
skaethave the the alpha-3 burn tasks been scrubbed?16:21
apwskaet, everything pushed out of a2 is in a3, but i suspecd thtats not your question16:22
skaetheh,  nup16:22
skaetjust need to know if the list that's there is complete for summarizing up at this point.16:23
apwi think so yes16:23
cjwatson702090> "don't do that" - is that something plymouth needs to do differently?16:23
skaetcool thanks!   cjwatson your turn.  :)16:23
apwcjwatson, not sure as yet.  i think its more fundamental16:24
apwwe would need to hold off injecting vesafb until we know that drm isn't coming16:24
apwor perhaps stopping plymouth opening it is enough, but definatly16:25
apwnot open /dev/fb0 before it gets swizzled to drm16:25
cjwatsonright, that complicated mess16:25
apwand thats not a trivial change16:25
cjwatsonhoping to finally dive into some of that this week16:25
apwcjwatson, then perhaps we can sync up when you do, as i think we are aready waiting for "no more devices" which16:26
apwmight mean we can inject vesafb at that point and avoid this mess16:26
* cjwatson nods16:26
apw..16:26
skaet[Topic] Foundations team update - cjwatson16:26
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cjwatsonhttp://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html16:27
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cjwatsonStill just below the trend line, with half a dozen work items removed this week, but we'll need to accelerate again soon.  We seem to have got pulled into a lot of bug-fixing instead, on the whole.16:27
cjwatsonInteresting progress this week:16:27
cjwatson - btrfs installs now confirmed to work properly again, with subvolumes set up so that the upgrade tools will be able to do interesting rollback things.16:27
cjwatson - Agreement on Upstart branch maintenance, so the major remaining pieces of work there should start landing soon.16:27
cjwatson - Upstart visualisation and interactive boot work.16:27
cjwatson - Timezone widget discussions with GNOME; looks like much of Ubiquity's widget will be going upstream.16:27
cjwatson - We've been doing some early bootstrapping work on a new ppc64 architecture.  This is still in stage1 bootstrapping but going well so far.16:27
cjwatsonI've been trying to keep the agenda up to date with bug work.  If you care about anything specific, please ask.16:27
cjwatson..16:27
skaetthanks cjwatson,  appreciate you updating the agenda directly.  :)16:28
skaetare the a3 tasks accurate at this stage for foundations, or do they still need some scrubbing?16:28
cjwatsonas far as work items go, I'm afraid this cycle I've largely only been paying any attention at all to the whole-cycle chart.16:29
cjwatsonI hope that once we have a dedicated manager again, we'll have time to improve this16:29
* skaet nods16:29
skaetthanks, that answers my question.16:29
cjwatsonon bugs, I think they're OK16:30
skaet[Topic] Server team update - zul16:31
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zul[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:31
zulHi,16:31
zulWork items are a bit behind according to the graph, But alot of things are happening behind the scene include working on awstrial, new openstack snapshot, working on LXC on openstack, and new packages including Handbreak plugin for mysql. Eucalyptus still remains to be a problem in Natty.16:31
zulNew Bugs this week:16:31
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:31
zul * 590201 - qemu-kvm - OpenSolaris (previously working) no longer boots: kernel panics early16:31
zul...16:31
skaeto/16:31
skaetany update on the bugs called out in the agenda?  is the status there accurate for them?16:31
zuli think so but ill double check right after the meeting16:32
skaetthanks.16:32
skaetalso, is the a3 tasks in its burn down accurate?16:32
skaets/is/are/16:32
zulno..i think robbiew still has to go through them16:32
robbiewtasks are good16:33
skaet:)16:33
zuli stand corrected :)16:33
skaetthanks zul.  any other questions?16:33
robbiewheh...might do minor swizzles..but that's par for the course16:33
skaet[Topic] Desktop team update - pitti16:34
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pittiBlueprint implementation:16:34
pitti- On track for entire cycle16:34
pitti- Not much progress on alpha-3 yet; called for updating WI status and dropping 'bonus' ones, but not finished cleanup yet16:34
pitti- feature development has slowed down a bit, we spent a lot of time doing bug fixing last week16:34
pittiGeneral status:16:34
pitti- Most annoying compiz bug about invisible windows should be fixed now16:34
pitti- python-gobject ABI breakage has been hotfixed, so pygtk apps are running normally again; a better workaround has now landed on the stable pygobject upstream branch16:34
pittiRC bugs:16:34
pitti- from this week: 5 fixed, 2 fix committed, 2 new on radar16:34
pitti- standing out here is bug 637827 which is blocked on Mozilla allowing us to ship the global menu bar extension for Firefox; rest of the bugs are making reasonable progress at this stage16:34
pitti- details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs16:34
pitti..16:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 637827 in firefox (Ubuntu Natty) "Firefox and Thunderbird (XUL) menus don't appear in the global menu bar" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63782716:34
skaetthanks pitti!  :)   when o you think the wi status will be updated?16:35
skaets/o/do/16:35
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pittichasing people; certainly next week16:35
skaetthanks.  :)16:36
* skaet looking around....16:36
pittiwe currently don't have a team manager either, so I guess the whip cracking is on me16:36
skaetindeed.  :/16:37
skaet[Topic] Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover16:37
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joshuahoover[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus16:37
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joshuahooverdetails on where we're at with blueprints and releases are in the link above16:37
joshuahooverupdates on items at risk:16:37
joshuahoover1) u1 shotwell integration is likely not going to happen for natty...we're down a person and the integration with shotwell is going to be harder for us than we originally thought/estimated...i'll have a definitive answer on this by wed. next week16:37
joshuahoover2) syncdaemon resumable uploads should be ready on wed., february 16th ...they were blocked for a couple weeks but we've found a way forward and have made good progress16:38
joshuahoover3) unity integration has started...we've got the API's we need and are now putting in the progress indicator and testing it all out so we're looking good here16:38
joshuahoover4) u1 music store in banshee...we still need to add the ability to tweet about a song and ensure u1 purchases automatically show up like they do in rbox...going to be tight to make it in time for feature freeze...i may be filing freeze exception next week16:38
joshuahooveroverall, with dropping shotwell integration, we're looking pretty good with the exception of the banshee work16:38
joshuahooverand that's about it16:38
joshuahoover..16:38
skaetthanks joshuahoover!  appreciate the details.16:39
skaeto/16:39
skaetis the A3 WI list up to date for your team?16:39
joshuahooverskaet: yes, should be :)16:40
skaetthanks!  :)16:40
* skaet has slide making to do today, hence the questions...16:41
skaet[Topic] Kubuntu Team update - Riddell16:41
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Riddellhi16:41
Riddell * Alpha 2 out, plenty of bugs but nothing worrying for this stage in the cycle16:41
Riddell * libindicate-qt updated for new API16:41
Riddell * Qt now being built with gcc 4.4 to fix issues on ARM16:41
Riddell * various space saving changes mean we have some space on the CDs for language packs now (except PowerPC)16:41
Riddell * kubuntu mobile mostly working again, seeds split into new collection, some change to launchpad needed to update16:41
Riddell * 11 bugs milestoned for alpha 3 http://goo.gl/yGhJd16:41
Riddell..16:42
skaetthanks Riddell!   Is the A3 WI list the one I should look at for the summary,  or Kubuntu to do?16:43
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo is the one we care about, and the milestoned bugs above16:43
skaetthanks.  will reference that then.  :)16:44
skaet[Topic] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth_16:44
MootBotNew Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth_16:44
dbarth_hi16:44
dbarth_weekly status update at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/NattyReleaseStatus16:44
dbarth_hightlights for the week16:45
* victorp cjwatson this is the bug in our report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/71587116:45
dbarth_for unity shell16:45
ubottuUbuntu bug 715871 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "During our weekly testing in the certification servers, in one of the servers, the installation failed when installing grub2 in one of the servers" [Undecided,New]16:45
dbarth_All of our key targets were reached16:45
dbarth_The Dash is in this week, a lot of bug fixes allowed the Shell team to land the full Dash experience; the slow scroll is fixed as well16:45
dbarth_Progress indicators and counts for the Launcher are there: U1 & FF should soon shine on the new Unity Launcher!16:45
dbarth_Keyboard navigation for the launcher16:45
dbarth_The invisible windows bug in compiz is still an issue16:45
dbarth_however, we've slowed down since the nvidia drivers got broken; it's really hurting the team16:45
dbarth_foundations got some nice action for this week as well:16:46
dbarth_Sound menu goes into libunity, consolidating new stable APIs16:46
dbarth_Calendar integration from EDS16:46
dbarth_More appmenu stabilization and fixes16:46
dbarth_Thunderbird support for the global menu is in Natty (after Firefox last week, yeah!)16:46
dbarth_LibreOffice globalmenu support started this week: aiming for a universe release around natty-beta16:46
dbarth_More API docs preparation with the Community team16:46
dbarth_last on the qa front, the Bug Pilot program starting to bear fruits16:46
skaet..?16:47
dbarth_...16:48
dbarth_(sorry)_16:48
skaetthanks dbarth_16:48
skaet;)16:48
skaeto/16:48
cjwatsonvictorp: oh, ok, an entirely different one from what I thought then.  Has ara seen my message?  The ball is in her court16:48
victorpcjwatson, she is off for the day I will ping her on monday16:48
victorp0/16:48
victorpo/16:48
skaetthe link on your NattyStatus refers to the entire burndown, not just the a3.    Are the WI's targetted to A3 accurate?16:49
skaetdbarth_, ^^16:49
victorpI had a question in my update before about when will be unity test scripts ready so hw cert can test compatibility. dbarth_ any ideas?16:49
dbarth_i've updated them, but we're now getting to the bug level16:49
pittio/16:49
skaetthanks dbarth_ .  pitti go ahead16:50
dbarth_skaet: let me get back to you on the wi after the meeting16:50
pittidbarth_: how much does current unity development rely on natty libraries/X.org?16:50
pittii. e. woudl it be feasible to do the nvidia development/testing on maverick?16:50
dbarth_victorp: they are, but you need to ping lamalex to get them, it's the autopilot/testdrive module16:50
pittior at least installing X.org 1.9 on natty?16:50
dbarth_pitti: well, we're running natty has you know16:50
dbarth_all of us16:50
apwpitti, i wondered if the xorg-retro thingy might be made to work for natty with the older ones in it16:51
pittiwhich is a good thing :) so perhaps natty with older X?16:51
dbarth_and we have a lot of nvidia users in the team16:51
victorpdbarth_,  thanks16:51
dbarth_so if the policy is to break nvidia because they're closed source, then you're breaking 50% of our dev machines...16:51
apwheh we're doing that to our users too16:51
pittiusers> well, we were promised to get a build against current X in time for natty16:52
pittidbarth_: would it help if we wrote a script/wiki page/etc to install 1.9 X.org on current natty and apt-pin it?16:52
dbarth_pitti: i fthere is a fallback plan, yes16:52
pittisome "wget from lauchpad/dpkg -i/create /etc/apt/preferences kind of thing16:52
dbarth_that would really help16:52
dbarth_or getting beta drivers earlier from nvidia16:53
apwdbarth_, oh have you tried the experimental gallium stuff ?16:53
pittiso the experimental nouveau 3D drivers don't work?16:53
dbarth_pitti: ted is on this16:53
pittiwe even have a jockey handler for that these days16:53
dbarth_ie, reaching out to the xorg team or helping with a fallback plan16:53
pittiok, cool16:53
dbarth_meaning, get in touch with him, so that you don't duplicate efforts16:54
pitti*nod*16:54
dbarth_i'll mention that on #ayatana16:54
ogradoes that really help if you need to develop against the recent xorg version though ?16:54
ogra(rolling back i mean)16:54
* ogra has the feeling the feature expectations might be to high if development can really only be done on the closed nvidia drivers instead of i.e. intel16:55
* skaet notes that we're probably not going to be solving this here16:56
skaettime to more on...16:57
skaet[Topic] ARM team update - ogra16:57
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM team update - ogra16:57
ograo/16:57
ograStatus is at:16:57
ograhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:57
ogra..16:57
ograSummary:16:57
ogra - 705689 root cause was identified as gcc bug (kudos to janimo and NCommander for awesome tireless debugging work), a patch exists in the linaro gcc branch already but no test with a binary QT package from the archive has happened yet.16:57
ogra - 2.6.38 tree was set up on git.ubuntu.com, a kernel package for OMAP 4 was uploaded to a PPA by the kernel team so we can do tests. A first patchset for getting the display driver is supposed to hit the tree next week.16:58
ogra - WI work is still well going forward, workitems were shuffled around inside the team to get to a better balanced workload, the ARM thin client spec has been dropped.16:58
ogra - QA work for better bug assignment strategy is currently going on16:58
ogra - Work for upgrading bootloaders from commandline has started.16:58
ogra - Last minor changes to the libqtdee and libqtgconf packages pending, once these are done all MIR team requirements for unity-2d should be fulfilled. Packages are to be seeded to the arm images by this weekend.16:58
ogra..16:58
ograSpecs:16:58
ograEntire status: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html16:58
ograMilestone: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html16:58
ograDropped: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-arm-n-arm-thin-clients16:58
ogra..16:58
ograSerious Bugs:16:58
ograbug 70568916:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 705689 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Natty) "QT applications crash with segfault error on armel when QT is built with gcc 4.5 on natty" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70568916:58
ograthe actual bugfix is waiting for the next gcc upload16:58
ograbut seems we have it done :)16:59
ogra..16:59
skaetthanks ogra!   good to hear that the gcc bug has been found.16:59
ograyeah, janimo and NCommander really deserve team beer :)17:00
JamieBennett\o/17:00
ograand linaro was awesomely fast to add a proper fix ;)17:00
skaet:)17:00
JamieBennettbeers all around ;)17:00
ogra:)17:00
skaetogra, the dropped arm-thin-clients,  for alpha3 or entire release?17:01
ograi postponed it to N+117:01
skaetogra,  thanks!17:01
ograit trivial to implement for me as former ltsp upstream but i'm lacking the time17:01
ogra..17:01
skaet[Topic] MOTU team update - ScottK17:02
MootBotNew Topic:  MOTU team update - ScottK17:02
ScottKNothing of significance to report.17:02
ScottKIt'd be nice to have a final decision on Python 2.6/2.7 or 2.7 only for Natty.17:02
ScottK...17:03
skaetThanks ScottK,  what's the blockage on the decision?17:03
ScottKskaet: Someone making the decision.17:04
ScottKbarry had a thread on u-devel recently, but no conclusion/decision AFAIK.17:04
skaetsaw that thread,  ok will see if I can help get some resolution17:05
ScottKBTW, I think 2.7 only would be a bad idea.17:05
wendarbarry, matthias and I are meeting next week to discuss17:05
wendarand, ScottK, I agree with your concerns17:05
ScottKThanks.17:05
skaetwendar, you ok with taking an action to make sure a conclusion is posted to u-devel?17:06
wendarskaet: yes17:06
skaetwendar,  thanks!17:06
skaet[ACTION] wendar to post resolution on the Python 2.6/2.7 vs Python 2.7 inclusion in Natty17:07
MootBotACTION received:  wendar to post resolution on the Python 2.6/2.7 vs Python 2.7 inclusion in Natty17:07
skaet[Topic] Linaro update - JamieBennett17:07
MootBotNew Topic:  Linaro update - JamieBennett17:07
JamieBennett\o17:08
JamieBennetthttps://wiki.linaro.org/Releases/WeeklyReleaseMeeting/2011-02-1017:08
JamieBennettSo, we have a few releases this week17:08
JamieBennettLinaro GDB 7.2 2011.02 released17:08
JamieBennettLinaro GCC 4.4 and 4.5 2011.02 released17:08
JamieBennettand Linaro QEMU17:08
JamieBennettnot sure on whether doko will pick up the toolchain stuff for Ubuntu before FF or not at this stage17:09
JamieBennettprobably too late but its there17:09
JamieBennettBug wise we are in pretty good shape, nothing really for Ubuntu to worry about17:09
skaet..?17:10
JamieBennettOur Alpha-2 gained another platform, Samsung Orion bringing our total to 7 architectures17:10
JamieBennett..17:10
skaetThanks JamieBennett!17:11
skaetI'll follow up with doko, when he returns next week, and see what the outlook is.17:11
skaet[ACTION] skaet follow up with doko after he returns on Linaro toolchain inclusion.17:11
MootBotACTION received:  skaet follow up with doko after he returns on Linaro toolchain inclusion.17:11
skaetany other questions?17:12
* skaet looks around...17:12
skaet[Topic] any other kudos/comments/questions?17:12
MootBotNew Topic:  any other kudos/comments/questions?17:12
skaetgoing once...17:12
skaettwice...17:12
skaetthanks everyone!17:13
skaet#endmeeting17:13
MootBotMeeting finished at 11:13.17:13
pittithanks everyone! and have a nice weekend17:13
JamieBennettthanks skaet17:13
skaetthanks pitti, JamieBennett, jibel, victorp, jdstrand, cjwatson, apw, zul, pitti, joshuahoover, Riddell, dbarth, ogra, ScottK,  appreciate your prep, and the details.  :)   Have a good weekend.17:15
ograthanks skaet17:15
jdstrandskaet: thanks, you too :)17:15
joshuahooverthanks skaet!17:15
jibelthanks skaet, have a nice week end17:15
apwJFo, hey ... can you drop the 'kernel-tracking-bug' bugs from the tag search ... they are no use to the stable team so lets drop them17:36
JFoyep, can do17:38
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