[00:21] tonyyarusso / Pricey mis-addressed mail. [02:06] wait, is it !guidelines in the autoremove command that will throw guidelines to the user? [02:06] h00k: ubottu parses /remove messages and issues factoids appropriately in PM [02:07] rww: yes, so, would it grab !guidelines? [02:07] yes [02:07] I asked agu10^ not to ascii-art in a pm [02:07] and obviously got taunted. [02:07] it would also grab "people who dislike !pie are not welcome here" [02:07] sweet. [02:08] (assuming removal from -ot, since !pie is channel-specific) [02:10] yeah... [02:12] agu10^ is arguing there's nothing that says no ascii art of breasts. [02:12] I'm /querying. [02:14] there is something about being appropriate and not creppy [02:14] creepy* [02:14] paraphrasing ^^ [02:14] yes [02:15] This conversation will be in the bantracker, as well. [02:16] @login [02:16] The operation succeeded. [02:16] @btlogin [02:17] added [02:32] wait, those were /breasts/? [02:32] * rww saw eyes [02:32] rww: yes [02:32] rww: clearly you do not get troll pms from what i assume are teenagers with great frequency [02:33] And now is trying to argue about what they are in a PM. [02:33] rww: you had to give him ideas! [02:33] maco: they usually make stupid threats instead of drawing me pictures :( [02:33] I told him it is not up for debate, and to discuss it in here. [02:34] hi guys [02:34] agu10^: Do you understand why you were banned from #ubuntu-offtopic? [02:34] I guess you confused my text with the previous text [02:35] just a smiley [02:35] agu10^: I certainly am not confused. [02:35] ... [02:36] agu10^: you had done the first one, I had asked you not to continue. You did it again, I removed you and got you the links to the !codeofconduct and !guidelines. You did it a third time, clearly you're not understanding the point. [02:36] I didn't do anything like that [02:37] I changed the simley because of you [02:37] Just because it makes *you* smile to do it doesn't mean it qualifies as a "smiley". [02:37] besides, you never warned me the first time [02:37] tonyyarusso, it's an emoticon [02:38] ( . ) _ ( . ) [02:38] agu10^: Logs show different, which are recorded in the bantracker. [02:38] And what emotion would that be, pray tell? [02:38] just like :| [02:38] but bigger [02:38] Seems like a lot of extra work compared to writing :| [02:38] h00k, look at the logs again, you'll be surprised [02:38] *_* [02:39] tonyyarusso, not if you have set up shortcuts [02:39] agu10^: I'm not going to argue, this is not up for debate. [02:39] h00k, yes I know... retard police don't argue. ever [02:39] You must not have read"Please be considerate of everyone and keep all the #ubuntu channels friendly places for everyone. This means that you should avoid any language which may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such language" specifically this "which may be considered offensive". it offended at least 1 person who asked you not to do it again see "Please be respectful and take the discussion elsewhere if someone takes e [02:39] xception." [02:40] calling us retarded is also not acceptable [02:40] i didn't call you retarded [02:40] read the code of conduct again [02:40] I said retard police don't argue either [02:40] implying we are retarded is not acceptable [02:40] not you gpc [02:41] who then? [02:41] whoever won't even check the logs properly [02:41] so that would be h00k you are referring tong? [02:41] to* [02:41] depends [02:41] I see. [02:41] on if he looks at the log to see there's no warning [02:41] and if he doesn't? [02:41] agu10^: You're not helping your case, at all. [02:41] and also check the last smiley is not sex-related [02:42] whatever you say... you're so right!!! [02:42] thank you. glad you agree. [02:42] agu10^: You ascii art'ed breasts, I asked you not to, you deliberately did again, directed at me. Timestamps in both the chat logs and bantracker will show the order in which things happened. [02:43] not really [02:43] you never asked not to [02:43] 20:04 >> [ h00k] Don't be doing ascii art of that type in the channel again, please [02:43] We all saw him ask, so this really isn't worth pursuing further if that's the argument you're going with. [02:43] that was AFTER [02:43] agu10^: after the first one, yes. The the second came directed at me. [02:43] oh wait maybe I didn't check priv msgs [02:44] 20:05 < agu10^ > h00k, ( . )U( . ) [02:44] well if you're right, then it's because I don't INSTANTLY check private messages [02:44] I'm sorry for that [02:44] 1 minute difference [02:44] If you notice, 20:05 does come after 20:04. [02:45] get your math out of here [02:45] sure I should've read all my private messages before posting anywhere else [02:45] it's a pity I had more than one pending to read [02:45] you should have known not to do it again after being removed from the channel [02:45] ? [02:45] gpc, I wasn't removed from the channel because of that [02:45] I was removed because of an inoccent smiley [02:46] ( . ) _ ( . ) [02:46] If it was innocent, you wouldn't have been removed. [02:46] That should be rather obvious by now. [02:46] !appeals > agu10^ [02:46] agu10^, please see my private message [02:47] just getting it out of the way. [02:47] gpc: thanks, I was just about to [02:47] tonyyarusso, are you serious? lol [02:47] Of course. We all are. [02:47] you shouldn't think all smileys are the same smiley [02:48] clearly, this isn't going to get anywhere. [02:48] nope [02:48] so if I write ":P", you'd have banned me too? [02:48] nope [02:48] no [02:48] then wtf [02:48] because it's a longer smiley? [02:48] nope [02:49] or just because it looks a bit like the other smiley [02:49] agu10^: In the context of what you brought up in the /query with me, it was inappropriate. [02:49] h00k, uh?? [02:50] How about "because you deliberately modified it enough so that you could make this silly argument, but not enough that it wasn't obvious that you were fishing for reactions"? [02:50] h00k, what are you talking about now? [02:50] rww, not really [02:50] rww, I figured out I could make a face using similar characters. it seemed funny [02:50] One time, I nicely warned you in a /query. You did it again, directed at me, which I removed you and directed you to the !guidelines and !codeofconduct. After the third time, the message wasn't clear enough [02:50] funny we all agree and have the same opinion but we are all wrong. [02:50] and of course it's not outside the rules [02:50] so... why wouldn't I have posted that last smiley? [02:51] just 'cause? [02:51] Because you listened to h00k the first two times? [02:51] h00k, there was never a third time [02:51] agu10^: gpc did a nice job above summarizing where it violates our rules. [02:51] h00k, i heard you the first time. but it was after the second time [02:51] agu10^: So you did get the first /query? [02:51] h00k, sorry for the timing, dude [02:52] h00k, yes, after I did it twice [02:52] I thought you didn't get it. [02:52] i got it, but late [02:52] agu10^: Look, unless you have a point to make that you haven't already, this is just a waste of time. Please see the appeals link from ubottu and move along. [02:52] only when I was removed from chan [02:52] * h00k facepalms. [02:52] in which case, you did it again. [02:52] ? [02:53] So, please move along. This is a waste of my time. [02:53] I did it twice before even finding out it wasn't allowed [02:53] I had been directed to #ubuntu-offtopic for this [02:53] but you did find out [02:53] from #ubuntu [02:53] gpc, too late it seems [02:53] and did it a third time [02:53] agu10^: !guidelines are clearly displayed in the channel topic. [02:54] gpc, no third time, EVER [02:54] gpc, you just made that up [02:54] h00k, yes I read that [02:54] h00k, it doesn't disallow smileys [02:54] sorry, you are right, the third time you changed it just a little so it really isn't the third but becomes the first time for that "smiley" [02:55] not going to work. [02:55] I'm done discussing this. [02:55] me too. [02:55] gpc, it's not related to sex whatsoever anymore [02:55] Please move along. [02:55] gpc, so I don't see what the deal is [02:55] what if they are a bit similar? [02:55] agu10^: Please move along. [02:55] it's really impossible to think of that smiley as the same smiley [02:55] agu10^: in that case you were baiting which is also not allowed [02:56] baiting? [02:56] yes, trying to get a reaction [02:56] not really [02:56] anyway. I can't and wouldn't remove the ban. the people who can also said they won't. [02:57] I was hoping people would laught at the smiley because it looks a bit similar to the other one [02:57] discussion over. you have the link to appeal if you widh to do so. Please part this channel and have a nice evening. [02:57] didn't think any retard police was there [02:57] or are clueless enough that they don't feel comfortable dealing with the situation :( [02:57] Plus, well, your choice of nicknames is sub-par :( [02:58] please part. [02:58] yes. I told you before calling us retards is unacceptable. [02:59] had enough. [02:59] * persia idly notes that wikipedia claims "(´;ω;`)" means "terribly sad" and wonders at the wild variance of emoticon understandings. ("(・A・)" is defined as "That's bad" and isn't that different from the one considered inappropriate) [03:00] I would have opped a while ago, but have no permishuns [03:00] !chanserv [03:00] !chanserv.py [03:00] chanserv.py is a ChanServ helper script for !XChat | https://github.com/seveas/chanserv.py [03:01] just found a bug [03:01] I have /opme, which does... [03:01] OPME = "msg chanserv op $C $0"; [03:01] ps, they're called emoticons >.> [03:02] rww: IS THAT MADONNA, unacceptable [03:02] * h00k /kb rww [03:02] LOL [03:03] gpc: what does your scripty do different than that? [03:04] h00k: I use /cs op for opping [03:04] /opme does noting [03:04] gpc: I'm on the irssi [03:04] that splains it [03:05] like I said I found a bug in chanserv.py [03:08] gpc: go bug Seveas about it, then ;P [03:08] I am [03:08] hehe [03:08] make sure to wear armour, he bites [03:08] nah, Seveas is ok if you bring cookies and ask really nice [03:09] how do you think I got him to add the timed mutes to the script [03:11] I've been trying not to think about it. [03:11] * h00k rofls [03:11] you know it ways heavy on your mind [03:11] your English usage weighs heavily on my mind :( [03:11] Now agu10^ is threatening to DDoS me in PM [03:12] Oh, nice. Add that one to the bantracker [03:12] wats rong wit my english? [03:12] h00k: moose is robinetd. in case you didn't know. [03:12] oh right I see [03:12] it took me a while >.> [03:12] weighs [03:12] :P [03:13] You should correct me. Not make fun of me :( [03:13] rww: Yeah, I got that [03:14] * rww makes note, h00k is smarter than me [03:14] isn't that Hoober with the tmpfl host? [03:15] He has one, but it's not the same one. [03:15] * h00k akes note, rww is wrong at judging intelligence [03:16] * h00k adds a m to akes [03:16] * h00k can't even splel [03:16] You both agreed to be op. You're as stupid as each other :P [03:16] excellent point [03:17] elky: wins. [03:19] moo [03:20] point to elky! [03:21] yarp [03:24] gord_: oi [03:25] elky: as in game point, that is. [03:27] elky just wins, and leaves. [03:28] im at work, yo [03:28] oh, that thing :( [03:29] elky: "I asked to be a named op in #ubuntu, and for my sins they made me one." [03:30] hah [03:30] On a related note, when the call for staff volunteers went out originally I thought you'd have to be crazy to apply for freenode staff. Two years later I'm sure of it... [03:30] This is why I'm generally against asking for volunteers for jobs like this. [03:31] us poor suckers do it ourselves :( [03:44] elky, What other model works: only allow people to nominate others, and then select from some set with the largest number of nominations? [03:51] persia, previously the operators, the ones who already know what the job involves, asked people they saw who matched the particular characteristics that made a good op. [03:52] So, then, yes. [03:52] Not quite. [04:03] Hrm. ops nominate candidate ops: those with lots of nominations get selected to be new ops. [04:04] I don't think I ever remember seeing "NetHack" before. [04:04] Whether they like it or not! [04:05] 22:01 ::: NetHack #ubuntu-ops "+vvv Amaranth Pricey topyli" by card.freenode.net [04:05] Wow that was a long split [04:06] That was. [04:07] persia, it used to be more like "blah seems to fit the spec. seen anything to contradict that? no? i'll talk to them then!" [04:07] gord didnt rejoin [04:08] maco, he did, just not id'd [04:08] i dont see the /join [04:08] elky, Ah. Same thing, except less formal and doesn't scale. Feels nicer though. [04:08] thats how forum mods happen too [04:09] developers mostly too, although we've added a process layer, to everyone's confusion. [04:09] persia, well it does scale if there isn't a wall of "buuuut you didn't consider myyyyyy opinion" [04:10] Yeah, but that inevitably happens once the team size gets above 16, because people no longer inherently know everyone else's opinion. [04:11] persia, nono, this was people outside the team [04:11] And once you get twice that, the majority participates in the wall of "buuuuttt...", which gets ugly and awkward :( [04:12] That's not a scaling issue: that's a presentation issue. [04:12] Somewhat related, in that presenting to a large audience is different than a small one, but you need a good few hundred entitled folk before you end up with that sort of issue. [04:30] oh sorry you all somehow i have another ban what a weird thing. guess you know what you are doing. I just want to know why is all [04:31] so i can move on [04:32] its-me-again: asking for Mint support in #ubuntu [04:32] rally when did i do that [04:33] i might have once i cant remember [04:33] the day you were banned [04:33] o well as long as its only for a month or so i am not going to be to bothered about it [04:33] approximately, yep. [04:33] i dont know when ay [04:34] i will not annoy you to much here. but i understane i might have done it. [04:34] i dont know if its perminant or just tempory [04:34] but i trust your ops judgment [04:37] its-me-again: It appears that this isn't the first time you've been actioned for this. I wonder about the thought process that leads you to trust the judgement of operators but disregard when they tell you about rules :\ [04:37] But, I guess you'd have to talk to ikonia about that. I don't have enough insight into the situation. [04:38] oh well i wont bother you again unless i need access when i start using ubuntu again. [04:39] #ubuntu is verry strict adn i know alot of ubuntu users put of for just trying to ask simnple questions. so they hate irc cause of the way they as noobs get treated. but you run a busy channel so i guess you are tough. [04:39] i think he wont like me to much fter doing it again [04:42] Having common-sense rules and enforcing them isn't really tough. There are a few thinga we need to do to keep #ubuntu usable. One of them is limiting #ubuntu to actual Ubuntu users, to reduce confusion. [04:42] sometimes when problems are ubuntu related not mint related its not ok to ask in #ubuntu [04:42] And yes, I imagine that pretending to use Ubuntu while actually using Mint, then being banned for it, then saying you won't do it again, then doing it again anyway, then getting banned for it again, is not the best way to endear yourself to the people who enforce those rules :\ [04:43] i have found in my use that if the problems are ubuntu related then i get better heklp from #ubuntu [04:43] Perhaps you should have considered that #ubuntu does support better than Linux Mint's IRC channel when you chose to use Linux Mint. Which support avenues you may use are a function of your choice of distribution. [04:44] You can't have your minty-fresh cake and eat Ubuntu's too, though. [04:44] i find even in mint when there are bugs with apps they say report it in the ubuntu bug report channel [04:44] not the mint one [04:44] If they say this, they are wrong. [04:45] rww: do you use mint [04:45] No. [04:45] ok [04:51] i ws banned for breaking the rules is all that is the basic point its not even how i broke them the fact is i did. [05:03] its-me-again: Was there anything else we could help you with? [05:04] gpc: no cause i probabbly will not get n unban now at least for a fair while. because i broake the rules. i do get tons of help from #ubuntu [05:05] but still i ws stupid so you cant help me about that. [05:05] you know this is not my first offence and i may not ever now get lifted so you are free to go [05:05] ok, I am glad you understand the reason you were banned. Please don't idle in here. [05:08] there comes a time when enough is enough and you have to be hard no matter the individual users reasons and pleadings. its about the channel as a hole not the individual users. [05:09] gpc: if you want to let the op who banned me know what i said its up to you. [05:09] * its-me-again is out now for a long time untillhe seriously desides to use ubuntu again. [05:10] thanks all for your patience and time to let me understand my ways [05:46] its-me-again: Please don't idle here, read the topic [05:48] wow epic lag [05:59] hi gpc, why the change in nickname? [05:59] gpc: what should be dome with its-me-again ? [06:00] cdbs: its-me-again is not in #ubuntu-ops. [06:00] gpc: oops, unping [06:01] rww: yep, I am currently fiddling with my ZNC and the way it recognises nicks [06:01] according to my client its on this channel but a simple /whois says not [06:01] hehe. there's a reason I keep it simple and just ssh to my irc client. bouncers give me a headache. [06:01] rww: hmm, ssh is irritating over a slow connection [06:02] rww: I tried that earlier [06:02] Not so much if you can keep a handle on what's in the I/O buffer but not on your screen yet. I'm fortunate to be using a VPS rather near me, though, so it's not much of a problem. [06:08] rww: well, I am used to keep switching across my irssi screens using alt+{1,2,etc} commands and this becomes slow in irssi+screen+ssh [06:15] irssi also has a proxy mode, so you can connect local irssi over ssh to remote irssi, which connects to servers. You get local response time for buffer controls, and remote reliability (and remote lag for buffer content) [06:57] RFC: Is it wise to use the word "appeals" for our appeals process? I'm wondering if that incurs too much of a legal "some higher body will either affirm or overturn a ruling", rather than "take this to a less emotionally-involved group to discuss further. I'm assuming the latter is more of what we intend. [06:58] s/further/further"/ [06:58] tonyyarusso: any thoughts about what it could be changed to? [06:58] jussi: Magical Unicorns Process. [06:59] hahah [06:59] right, Im offf to sweden. see you all later. [06:59] * tonyyarusso wonders if English even has a suitable word [06:59] Sadly, "continuance" also has legal meaning :( [07:00] uence? iurno [07:00] Elevation is still less than ideal, but at least possible. [07:02] Recourse? Referral? [07:02] Oooo, I like referral. [07:07] or review, that would work too. [07:50] YankDownUnder notified of his behaviour [08:55] thoughts on atomicspark's noise? [08:56] I'm personally quite over it. === gord_ is now known as gord [14:00] nhandler: I don't see the new IRCC meeting time on the fridge calendar. [14:34] Pici: we havent changed it yet - I sent the mail from my phone - Ill get to it soon. (if no one else does first) [14:41] 14:41 -!- IRCAnswersBot [~IRCAnswer@207-126-122-147.ip.openhosting.com] has [14:41] looks interesting [14:41] Its an allwoed bot. [14:42] I've never seen it before [14:52] !prayer [14:52] Dear $DEITY, Give me strength to understand and work with users who question my logic, the rules, netiquette, and common sense. Give me resilience to teach them the basics of Linux, Ubuntu, Community Guidelines and IRC. Allow me not to stray to nitpicking, argument, foul language, or leisurely op abuse. Deliver me my daily xkcd, User Friendly, LWN, /. and Planet Ubuntu, and guard over my encrypted drives. Let it be so. [14:52] Hey! That's offensive to atheists and pantheists! [14:52] [14:53] :P [14:57] * genii-around sips his coffee and waits for the daily delivery of xkcd [15:00] daily? I want your xkcd feed: I only get three a week. [15:29] Are we under attack? [15:31] genii-around: looks like KB1JWQ unplugged the wrong wire again [15:31] hm [16:03] * Pici sends ikonia some faces [16:03] or foxes [16:03] I'd rather have something that stops this guy wanting to be spoon fed [16:11] ikonia: A drink [16:11] ? [16:12] I'll take it [16:20] So freenode welcomed mubarak's stepping down with netsplits? [16:21] huh? [16:21] gpc: mubarak stepped down [16:21] yes, I heard [16:21] and freenode is netsplitting out the wazoo [16:21] wondering what a freenode netsplit has to do with that [16:22] a joke? [16:24] I am glad Egypt is going to get new and hopefully democratic leadership. I don't see how it is relevant to anything Ubuntu. especially when we just kicked 3-4? users for mentioning it in #ubuntu. First we kick users for talking about it then we make "jokes" in here? :/ [16:24] or maybe I am taking it the wrong way. apologies if I am. [16:25] I didn't kick them for mentioning it, I kicked them for continuing to mention it after I told them to stop [16:25] ikonia: yes, that is what i meant [16:25] and one guy who was joining channels spamming it, then leaving [16:49] @btlogin [16:56] wow [16:56] ? [16:57] ikonia: induz [16:57] I know I know [16:59] ughh phix is back [16:59] I thought he was banned [17:02] that was quick. [17:03] he has over 40 entries in BT - he knows the score [17:03] I did 'tell phix about !ot' and I think ubottu should be able to parse that and understand what I meant [17:03] alternatively, I could just use the correct syntax. [17:05] tell me about !your_childhood [17:12] mneptok: I've never lived in a house more than four years. [17:12] it's good to get out sometimes. [17:15] * h00k stares longingly at the windows from his desk [17:18] ikonia: the allowed bots are listed on the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots :) [17:18] I'd just not noticed it before [17:19] ok :) [17:19] maybe they'll let me outside today. [17:20] h00k: a dangerous character like you? definately not... [17:20] :P [17:20] * gpc waits outside h00k's window with the motor running [17:21] make sure you grab the stapler before you escape [17:21] I have to collect all of the BuckyBalls, too. Can I bring my whiteboard? [17:22] I got a sentra not a cube van [17:22] * gpc drives off slowly. [17:22] jussi: although, it was -17F out this morning, I don't know that I want to get out. [17:22] h00k: do you even want to hear how cold it was here? ;) :P [17:23] jussi: probably not but yes definitely. [17:23] -29.7 ... My car complained lots. [17:24] Yeah...jussi, are you in the States? [17:24] h00k: no. Northern finland.... [17:24] jussi: Ah, okay, that is what I thought. Was that C or F? [17:25] C [17:26] we had around -32.7C here yesterday :( [17:26] So, Northern Finland = Wisconsin. [17:26] basically. [17:26] haha [17:26] Except we probably have more cheese. [17:26] Nasty though. [17:26] and we are closer to the arctic circle. [17:27] h00k: it was particularly bad that it was cold this morning - I had to go to sweden. Im just glad it warmed up during the day. [17:28] My feet got cold driving, my heater wouldn't keep them warm. [17:28] @btlogin [20:21] In #ubuntu, openbees said: ubottu: no need for this now ....because jdk is working correctely === KB1JWQ_ is now known as KB1JWQ [20:56] rww's bad idea for today: Trollopoly, a version of Monopoly with #ubuntu* namespace channels as properties and "!guidelines", "/remove", "+q", and "+b" instead of houses and hotels. [20:57] comes with gamepieces representing our most infamous problem users [21:03] Sounds like an interesting project. [21:04] would you like me to contact Canonical and find out if we can use the logo? [21:04] I think we may need to talk to freenode legal dept. also [21:04] I think I may need to talk to a psychologist. [21:05] that is a given [21:05] you can talk to me instead [21:14] Cheri703 called the ops in #ubuntu-women () [21:14] sorted ^ [21:16] although keeping an eye on suzu is probably a good idea, timestamps considered. [21:16] * pleia2 nods [21:19] you were mentioned on #defocus [21:19] joy [21:19] suzu *probably* joined via that (being an innocent bystander) [21:21] and when I say "mentioned" I mean: [21:21] 22:12:29 <+~Sarajevo> Any girls here? [21:22] 22:12:55 <+~Sarajevo> Let me discover u a dirty secret [21:22] and you should be able to figure out the rest [21:23] oh boy [21:29] !no, cake-#ubuntu-offtopic is The cake is a !pie! [21:29] I'll remember that rww [21:29] gpc: ubottu just hates you. [21:30] prossibly [21:30] or user error ;P [21:30] probably === kloeri_ is now known as kloeri [22:29] LjL called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()