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andylockranoh my gosh00:31
andylockranif there's one reason to learn asterisk properly it's that support for other approaches is severely lacking.00:31
andylockranand I hate flame wars :(00:38
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andylockranany recommendations for a router with a decent range01:00
andylockran& good at going through old walls :p01:01
andylockran-80 dBm for both wireless APs in the house at the moment, one is downstairs in the conservatory and the next is on the 1st floor in the study - but signal where I am is terrible.  We've got the HomePlugs - but ideally want wireless for all our handheld devices (ipad, ipod, android .etc)01:02
HazRPGI just thought - based on the website for #ubuntu-uk, I'm the only one in the north of england01:03
andylockranif someone could ping me a reply tomorrow that'd be very useful - thanks!01:04
shaunoaww, the uuk site has (very) mild breakage on mine :(01:05
HazRPGshauno: really?01:06
HazRPGlike where?01:06
shauno'loco directory' doesn't fit in it's box in the header menu, because I've got an enforced minimum font size01:06
shaunoI did say very mild ;)01:07
HazRPGandylockran: btw dude, just get yourself a bigger antenna for your existing router - you'd be surprised how much wonders that will do ya01:07
shauno(I'm not exactly blind, but my screen has a silly native resolution; I have to bump the fonts to be able to read)01:08
HazRPGshauno: ouch, what resolution are you pumping out of your screen?01:09
shauno1600x120001:09
shaunoin what I believe is 19", possibly 2101:09
HazRPGwhy not just use  1280x1024 ?01:10
shaunobecause then icons are face-sized01:10
andylockranHazRPG: where do you get them from ?01:10
HazRPGandylockran: I usually buy off ebay01:10
HazRPGshauno: face-sized? Really... how :S?01:11
HazRPGmy friend has a 19" or so monitor and he runs in 1280x1024 just fine01:11
andylockranhttp://www.belkin.com/support/article/?lid=en&pid=f5d8231-4&aid=5927&scid=221 that's what I've got at the moment...01:11
shaunoI like the UI to be as skinny as possible; leave the space for things I'm actually using.01:11
shaunoand since OSX doesn't let me install themes that are a bit more trimmed down (or, themes at all), I just run the monitor native01:12
HazRPGandylockran: quick question, can you unscrew the antennas out of your router?01:12
shaunooh good lord, it's 17"01:12
HazRPGshauno: I have 2x17" monitors - I actually took the tape measure out and checked xD01:13
shaunoI just had to google the part number01:13
shauno17", 1600 x 1200 at 75 Hz .. so yeah I don't let web pages use 12px fonts ;)01:14
HazRPGshauno: I got my monitors from my old college for £10 a piece - so I'm not sure what monitors they are other than DELL that's written on the front - but hey I have a tape measure next to my computer at all times - always comes in handy01:15
andylockranHazRPG: I'll run and check...01:15
HazRPGwow 1600x1200 native for a 17" monitor seems insane!01:15
HazRPGandylockran: cool01:15
shaunoit's a fantastic monitor.  I'll be sad when it dies.01:15
shaunocrt & weighs more than I do.  but it'll sync down far enough to run my amiga on it01:16
HazRPGandylockran: the antenna end should look somewhat like this - http://www.more-shop.co.uk/images/medium/DWL-50AT_MED.png01:16
HazRPGandylockran: that's assuming its not physically attached, if it is - then you can't simply replace it01:16
HazRPGandylockran: but if you can, you can just get yourself a longer antenna, with an extension cord so that you can move it to a more appropriate place01:17
andylockranHazRPG: thanks for the tip01:18
HazRPGshauno: haha, yeah I think I've got a CRT that supports that sort of resolution too :P01:18
andylockranmy little bro is asleep in the same room as the router so can't check now.01:18
andylockranwill do so tomorrow morning.01:18
HazRPGandylockran: this is the one I got I think: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10-dBi-Wireless-WIFI-Booster-Antenna-WLAN-RP-SMA-Stand-/320644926871?pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item4aa7ed4d97#ht_2655wt_113901:19
HazRPGit looks similar01:19
andylockrancheers dude, will have a look tomorrow01:20
andylockrannight all101:21
andylockranthat's the kind of answers I like.  friendly and to the point.  love #ubuntu-uk :)01:21
HazRPG:P01:21
HazRPGandylockran: since yours has 3 ports, you could always just get three of those I linked you to (they're cheap enough) and don't need to use the extension cord it comes with - but you can be a better judge on that one obviously01:22
HazRPGandylockran: also, night, hope you can get some better results with the bigger antennas01:23
HazRPGandylockran: btw, if your still about - I was just quickly looking through the manuals off the website, and it seems you should be able to replace those antennas :) - glhf (good luck, have fun)01:25
HazRPGshauno: still shocked you use it at full native resolution - I would have knocked it down a few01:26
HazRPGshauno: surely you should be able to customize your OSX a little bit...01:27
shaunoyou'd be surprised01:27
HazRPGshauno: I mean, the dock can be hidden until mouse is at the bottom can't it?01:27
shaunooh, yeah I have that hidden01:27
HazRPGoh, what's the issue with screen real estate?01:28
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HazRPGthought it would have been just the dock that was in the way01:29
shaunoI just don't like the UI being so bulky.  toolbars, tab bars, everything01:29
HazRPGsince all windows use a global menu bar at the top doesn't it?01:29
shaunoI'm still cheesed I can't turn the tab bar off in this irc client.  but I managed to edit everything else out of it01:29
HazRPGshauno: what client you using?01:30
shaunoit's called 'colloquy'.  not fantastic, but the easiest to abuse I've found yet01:30
HazRPGoh, heh I think I know the one you mean01:31
HazRPGabuse how?01:31
shaunoit has a menu entry to hide the tab bar.  it hasn't done anything for 3+ years now01:31
shaunosilly little things like it has a bar at the top of the screen that shows you the topic.  constantly.01:31
shaunothat's gone :)01:31
HazRPGshauno: what version of OSX are you using?01:38
shaunocurrent, I believe01:38
shaunoyup, 10.6.601:38
HazRPGshauno: http://themechanger.sourceforge.net/01:47
shaunoyeah, I used to use something similar.  gave up on them because it kept breaking OS updates01:48
HazRPGah01:48
HazRPGjust out of interest, why OSX?01:49
HazRPGtempted to order indian take-away food01:51
shaunoeh, long story.  basically I wasn't happy with gnome was, or where it was going01:52
shaunoand frankly, stuff like having to rebuild nvidia drivers every time there's a kernel update is for the birds01:53
shaunoI used linux exclusively from slack 3.3 ('96, maybe '97) until apple went intel.  then defected.01:55
HazRPGshauno: woah, rebuilding drivers? Seriously?01:56
HazRPGI can't say I've ever had that issue01:56
HazRPGalthough saying that only been using linux since 200501:57
HazRPGI couldn't sit and download distros on a 16.5Kbps connection in saudi :/01:57
HazRPGthat and sites like sourceforge, etc were blocked because of various software that was on it01:58
HazRPGthat the government didn't approve of01:58
HazRPGso they just blocked the whole site01:58
shaunoI got my first few from a friend with a uni account.  then they started cropping up in books & on magazine covers01:59
HazRPGnot in saudi :P01:59
HazRPGwe had a few Mac based mags, but mainly windows based ones01:59
shaunoeventually I ended up mail ordering them because debian was silly-sized  (I think it was 3 disks for potato and 7 for woody)02:00
HazRPGwas rare to hear the world "linux" over there - except Unix - that was a popular word02:00
HazRPGseems a few servers out there still run on Unix02:00
HazRPGshauno: really debian was that big back then?02:01
shaunothey do; mostly systems people are terrified to break02:01
HazRPGI know red hat was like 5-6 discs at one point02:01
HazRPGwe learned how to install it at college lol02:01
HazRPGI was shocked to hear my dad said the current project over there is to get the systems from Unix over to Oracle for their databases02:02
HazRPGwhich seems odd as a sentence02:02
HazRPGbut he's not tech-savvy when it comes to O/S02:03
HazRPGhe can tell you what hardware he has - and what's good/bad, but operating systems - he still thinkings windows XP is the future lol02:03
HazRPGI told dad, that for what he uses his computer for - ubuntu or similar would actually be better for him02:04
HazRPGbut like I said, hard to get copies of such things over there - plus would be better if I actually installed it for him myself (one day)02:04
shaunohm, they don't seem to have anything that old on cdimage.debian.org, but I'm pretty sure it was 3 for potato and 7 for woody (just for binaries)02:04
shaunoyou didn't need all of them, but if you're going to mail order them, it doesn't hurt :)02:05
HazRPGoh I don't doubt that dude :P02:05
HazRPGI remember red hat was a beast of storage at one point02:05
shaunoI only ever had redhat on a one-disk install (5.2)02:05
HazRPGreally?02:06
HazRPGI recall having it on 5-6 at college02:06
shaunothat was one that came with a book; no idea what it looked like retail02:06
HazRPGagain that was roughly 2004 ish02:06
shaunoI think this woulda been around 99/200002:06
HazRPGRed Hat before it became Fedora for the free version use to take up a whole dvd or more02:07
HazRPGFedora still does if I recall :/02:08
shaunoheh, pretty much everything does.  imagine if ubuntu put the entire repo in the images :)02:08
shaunohm, seems mirror.ac.uk is gone.  that used to be the easiest way I knew to see how big repos actually were02:10
shaunoaltho they symlink everything to /pool/ now, so not sure that'd work02:10
shaunostill use ubuntu mind.  not on my 'main machine', but on pretty much everything else I can get my hands on02:11
shaunostill bummed they stole jdub tho.  I miss garnome :)02:15
shauno2.30 and I work in the morning.  think I'll leave it there.  night HazRPG02:24
MooDoohello all07:46
AlanBellmorning07:48
TheOpenSourcerermorning.07:50
nigelbmorning07:55
MartijnVdShah, it's 11-02-2011  today07:55
MartijnVdSpalindrome date07:56
ball:-)08:04
TheOpenSourcererExcuse me while I go and throw up. http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/02/11/open-letter-from-ceo-stephen-elop-nokia-and-ceo-steve-ballmer-microsoft/ Don't watch the 39s video!08:07
AlanBell"There are other mobile ecosystems. We will disrupt them." business as usual then08:12
MartijnVdS"The 39s video" made me think of Queen 8-)08:13
DJonesMorning all08:17
DJonesQueen o/08:27
dwatkinsDoes he shout about developers?08:27
daubersMorning08:37
automaticalmornin' all08:38
* daubers mucks around with inotify08:39
hoovermornin all08:45
ballI'm really enjoying the Xubuntu machines I've been using lately08:49
* BigRedS demands a strong coffee09:00
MooDoomorning09:01
MooDooBigRedS: strong coffee with a espresso chaser :)09:01
BigRedSMooDoo: That sort of thing :)09:01
* BigRedS gets a strong coffee09:01
BigRedSawesome!09:01
danfisha hoy hoy!09:35
bigcalmHulloooo09:36
popeyA hoy hoy!09:36
MartijnVdShowdy09:36
bigcalmHi kids :)09:37
popeyHi dad!09:37
MartijnVdSdadbuntu?09:38
bigcalmDoesn't have the same ring to it09:39
ZMoHi09:42
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JamesTaitHappy Friday, everyone!09:45
directhexrip nokia09:45
JamesTaitdirecthex: Indeed.09:46
TheOpenSourcerermoar coffee.09:47
s-foxHello.09:51
AlanBello/ s-fox09:53
* popey does the wiki pages for last nights meeting09:54
popeybum09:54
popeyneed to fix mootbot.ubuntu-uk.org09:54
TheOpenSourcererthat would be night's meeting popey </dutchie="false">09:55
popeyfixed09:56
popey:D09:56
MooDoos-fox: morning09:57
* popey hugs mootbot09:57
s-foxHello AlanBell  :)09:59
s-foxHi MooDoo :)09:59
* MooDoo read mootbot as moodoo at a quick glance and got worried09:59
MartijnVdSMooDoo: you're a bot?!09:59
MooDooMartijnVdS: Unable to compute09:59
MooDoo** WARNING ** Will Robinson10:00
dwatkinsDanger, Will Robinson!10:01
dwatkinsI wonder why we need to be afraid of him... it's not like we're lost in space or anything...10:01
DaveMorrisSo whats likely to happen to Qt now MS are teaming up with Nokia and providing development tools.  Are Nokia likely to drop it?10:01
MooDoodwatkins: indeed your correct it's Danger lol10:02
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Knightwisemorning everyone10:04
MooDoomorning Knightwise10:04
AlanBellDaveMorris: it is LGPL so the code is safe10:05
DaveMorrisyeah I know the code is, I was just under the impression that Nokia employed quite a few Qt devs10:05
danfishDaveMorris: but development of it at Nokian will probably stop10:05
danfishNokia even10:06
AlanBellSurrey lug is at Nokia tomorrow10:06
danfishmaybe libreQt will be born....10:06
MartijnVdSdanfish: they'll need a new name probably? (trademarks)10:07
Knightwisei'm trying to revive an G3 imac here10:12
Knightwisegot 10.10 server installed10:12
Knightwisewhats the best gui ? Openbox ?10:12
Knightwisedo i just do sudo apt-get install xorg openbox ? or do i need more ?10:12
dutchiesurely openbox will depend on sufficient stuff to work10:13
DJonesKnightwise: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox10:13
Knightwiseyeah , but when i just do an apt-get install openbox .. it doesnt work10:13
DJonessudo aptitude install openbox obconf10:14
Knightwisethanx :) i'll give that a try10:14
Knightwiseso no Xorg ?10:14
DJonesNot according the help.ubuntu.com link10:14
Knightwiseok ;:) thanx10:15
danfishMartijnVdS: LibreCute?10:17
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DJonesInteresting, after Nokia & MS link up, is this a sign that RIM & Google are getting together http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/11/rim_putting_android_apps_on_playbook_tablet/10:23
DJonesI guess its one of boosting the number of apps available10:24
MartijnVdSRIM *shudder*10:24
popeyWell, that's the end of me ever buying a Nokia phone.10:27
popeyI used to _only_ buy Nokias10:27
dwatkinspopey: not all Nokia phones run WP710:27
popeywhat else will their smartphones run?10:27
dwatkinsI also used to only get Nokias, but that was before the invention of the smartphone.10:27
dwatkinsMeego, I gather10:27
popeyhahahahaha10:27
popeyyeah, right10:27
popeycome back in a year and show me all those handsets.. in one hand10:28
andylockranhowdy10:30
Laney"MeeGo will place increased emphasis on longer-term market exploration of next-generation devices."10:30
popeylike.. the n900?10:32
popey(as an example of Nokia exploring next-gen devices)10:32
DJonesLaney: That sounds like they're saying that they have no current plans to do anything with MeeGo10:32
popey(and an example of my assertion that there is only one of them)10:32
AlanBell"we are going to sit on MeeGo for a few years until it just goes away"10:32
DJonesAlanBell: That summarises what was going through my mind10:33
AlanBell"we are not going to let MeeGo go because it might compete with us"10:33
danfishit's kind of ironic that Nokia and Linus originate from the same country10:34
daubersMeh, I still want a nexus s to just play with NFC things10:37
Knightwisenope ,dont think xorg still supports the videocard in the G310:37
MartijnVdSdaubers: are there NFC things other than that phone?10:37
daubersMartijnVdS: Apparently (according to some people I've spoken too at various chip firms) NFC is massivley popular in the far east10:38
daubersMartijnVdS: Some companies are trying to retrofit handsets to have NFC chips in10:38
daubersI just want to NFC enable the company stand at trade shows :)10:40
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MartijnVdSdaubers: "we in the west" use qr codes ;)10:47
AlanBellI have NFC what NFC is10:50
MartijnVdSAlanBell: near field comms.. "Active rfid"10:50
MooDoothat's the one10:51
MooDoohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication10:51
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daubersMartijnVdS: NFC is _much_ cooler10:54
MartijnVdSdaubers: it can read your bank details?10:54
selinuxiumHi all, just a quick pimp... Friend Ebaying an original eeePC. £60 including car charger and 8GB SD card... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200574804592&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT10:55
daubersMartijnVdS: You'd need an app from your bank to do that10:55
daubersI'm relativley certain the bump comms in the new palm devices will be NFC powered... but have no proof of that yet10:56
danfishhah - a good take on the nokia story from the newshump10:59
danfishhttp://newsthump.com/2011/02/11/phones-no-one-uses-to-run-operating-system-no-one-likes/10:59
popeyhaha10:59
davmor2morning all11:06
TheOpenSourcererHah - http://twitpic.com/3ylh2v11:08
* daubers needs foods11:08
bigcalmTheOpenSourcerer: Didn't take long :)11:10
TheOpenSourcererNope.11:10
s-foxI think Microsoft should use the product red colour instead of blue ;)11:10
directhexnokia, i am disappoint11:11
dwatkinsvmware has pink screens of death11:13
directhexxboxes have red rings of dearh11:13
directhexdeath11:13
nigelbTheOpenSourcerer: good one11:13
dwatkinsyeah, I have two of those, directhex11:13
nigelbI loved yesterday's Dilbert though.  Anyone saw that?11:13
* BigRedS just had a support ticket asking him to fix IE11:29
selinuxiumBigRedS, That will be where that Big 'S' will be needed... :)11:30
* davmor2 prods czajkowski with a wake you sciving git stick11:30
BigRedSHaha11:31
davmor2TheOpenSourcerer: I wonder if Nokia will do the sensible thing and have one button called "Any"11:32
moreatiThink I've found Nokia's inspiration for their new strategy http://search.dilbert.com/search?p=R&srid=S3%2d2&lbc=dilbert&w=random&url=http%3a%2f%2fdilbert%2ecom%2fstrips%2fcomic%2f1996%2d09%2d13%2f&rk=47&uid=763453366&sid=2&ts=custom&rsc=jcrs::IVciqj0rxv&method=and&isort=date&view=list&filter=type%3acomic11:33
AlanBellmoreati: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzZ86GYoxE011:35
bigcalmDid he go back and re-colour all of the old strips?11:35
davmor2bigcalm: they were always in colour you just need to enable the colour this strip option?  You mean you never did?11:36
bigcalmo.O11:37
davmor2bigcalm: :D11:37
* bigcalm kippers davmor211:37
MooDoosmoke me a kipper, i'll be home for breakfast11:43
davmor2MooDoo: Hello11:44
MooDoodavmor2: good morning sir!11:45
MooDoodavmor2: how are you this fine friday?11:48
davmor2MooDoo: Glad it's Friday :)  You?11:49
MooDoodavmor2: same, it's been a hard week11:50
knightwisehey guyz11:53
MooDoohey11:53
knightwiseanybody know a good command line / ascii interface (like the dos menu's we had in the old days' for an old G3 system ?11:54
knightwisemy attempts of getting a GUI on it have failed horribly :)11:54
MartijnVdSknightwise: byobu :)11:55
MooDooknightwise: have a look at ion2/3 it's a command line windows manager....not sure if it's available any more though11:55
MartijnVdSknightwise: mc ?11:55
knightwisegot those11:55
MartijnVdSknightwise: write something using "dialog"?11:55
knightwiseperhaps i'll try that11:55
* BigRedS assumes 'G3' doesn't refer to a PPC mac11:55
* MartijnVdS is afraid it does11:56
knightwiseOh yes it does11:56
knightwiseits kinda cute though11:56
BigRedSYeah, I have a few of those :)11:56
dwatkinshttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook11:56
dwatkinsI guess it's not on that list, though11:57
knightwiseerm .. check out www.knightwise.com to see what i do with Ubuntu and macbooks11:57
knightwisei think i need to make some adjustments to to xorg.conf to set the resolution right11:58
knightwisehowever in 10.10 there is no xorg.conf anymore11:58
MartijnVdSknightwise: omg, YOU are sure_ill_draw_that?! :P11:58
knightwiseMartijnVdS:  ?11:59
knightwiselol :) naah11:59
knightwisei'm not that geeky11:59
MartijnVdSknightwise: http://www.reddit.com/user/Sure_Ill_Draw_That11:59
dwatkinsknightwise: neat, I was hoping grub would work12:00
MartijnVdSknightwise: he has the same glasses as you :)12:00
knightwisebe back later , have some work to do for the skunkworks :12:00
knightwiselol12:00
knightwisedwatkins: the dual boot was fairly easy to do , i'll never use that other bootloader that they recommend for dual booting macs and stuff12:00
knightwise(forgot the name but mentioned it in the podcast)12:01
MooDoowoohoo apparently it's hug a tall person day, send me your hugs :D12:20
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nigelbMooDoo: how tall are you? ;)12:36
MooDoonigelb: 6'612:37
MooDoonigelb: i believe that counts :p12:38
MooDoolol12:38
X3Nbit akward for me, it's always like, Hello, I'm now hugging your waste line, akward..12:39
MooDoolol12:39
davmor2czajkowski: My morning prod failed then12:45
gord_i kinda want to mark the fact that thunderbird has "Compose messages in HTML format" enabled by default as a bug... y'know, for the greater good12:48
MooDoodavmor2: prod harder12:52
davmor2gord_: do it12:52
davmor2gord_: in fact do it and mark it as a security risk :D12:53
danfishhaha - comment of the day IMO regarding Nokia etc13:10
danfishI would say that iOS is a precious beauty queen, and Android is an Olympic athlete, WM7 is a tired old man in drag.13:10
danfish^^ from comments on BBC website http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2011/02/is_the_nokiamicrosoft_horse_a.html13:10
AlanBellcan libreoffice be installed side by side with openoffice.org on 10.04?13:11
BigRedSAlanBell: I've heard claims that people have done it13:14
DJonesAlanBell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice Please note OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice don't coexist. Install LibreOffice following these instructions will effectively remove OpenOffice.org.13:16
danfishAlanBell: the computer says no here - mutters about unstable distribution13:16
AlanBellok, thanks13:16
AlanBellmakes things more interesting13:16
AlanBellAlfresco on one machine, libreoffice headless on another13:17
czajkowskiAloha13:17
popeymoo13:18
dauberspopey: Don't do that or you may get farmed for leather13:20
MartijnVdSdaubers: or milk13:20
popeyhah13:21
czajkowskiya happy friday :D13:25
czajkowskiwell it was till I got a call to do work on my day off13:25
czajkowskiremind me next time someone to turn off phone13:25
* Pendulum hugs czajkowski 13:27
czajkowski*sigh*13:27
czajkowskiI did explain I was on annual leave but the person was rather adamant stuff be changed today.13:27
bigcalmNobody else able to do stuff?13:28
czajkowskinope not in this case13:29
czajkowskiannoying13:29
popeywelcome to working in the UK13:29
jpdswoking?13:30
bigcalmWelcome to Woking station13:30
czajkowskiPendulum: I suggest have a box of tissues to hand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tMsb8QeDCY13:30
popeyI will be in Woking tomorrow13:34
bigcalmPoop13:35
popeyGoing to see Jimmy Carr13:36
bigcalmOh, Woking, not working13:37
bigcalm:)13:37
popey:D13:37
bigcalmHayley and I saw Jimmy in Wolverhampton. Great fun13:37
popeyexcellent13:37
popeygoing out for food / booze before too13:38
czajkowskiPendulum: twins are 5 :D13:41
czajkowskipopey: sounds like a good night planned13:42
popeyyeah :)13:43
popeyalso, we have a possible venue for oggcamp :D13:43
bigcalmWoot13:44
czajkowskiohh13:44
* BigRedS intends to get to oggcamp this year13:51
BigRedSagain13:51
bigcalmBetter set a date for oggcamp11 soon. This year is filling up already13:52
mungojerrypopey are u allowed to say the possible  venue?13:52
popeyI'd rather not yet.13:52
popeynot booked13:52
* mungojerry hoping for london13:52
popeynot london :)13:52
bigcalmPhew13:53
mungojerryboo :(13:53
bigcalmFew would be able to afford the over night stay13:53
mungojerryoutside term time, some uni's offer good accomodation, and obviously a good venue too13:53
mungojerrypopey, near london? :P13:54
mungojerrysouth east perchance?13:54
popeywell, I live in Farnborough :)13:55
hamitronroundabouts?13:56
mungojerryredhats :P13:56
czajkowskiredhat is too small13:56
hamitronI am obviously stupid and don't understand... ;/13:56
* mungojerry thinks he's probably not gonna get much more out of popey for the time being13:59
gord_oggcamp at popey's house \o/14:00
gord_why do i have a tail today?14:00
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popeyIs it a tail or a no-tail?14:00
popeyC'mon tubbs!14:00
hamitronanyone else here got tdu2?14:05
mungojerrybtw when does the uupc podcast come back again?14:05
popey"soon"14:05
mungojerrysurviving on the LAS show for now, but bryan & chris keep having babies14:06
popeyhah14:06
popeythats a miracle of science14:06
TheOpenSourcererI think there is a teensy weensy bug with the map on the new Loco site.14:12
TheOpenSourcererIf you look at Farnham, you will see my pin.14:12
TheOpenSourcererBefore I put my details there you could see AlanBell. Now I think I am totally covering his pin.14:13
danfishTheOpenSourcerer: step 10 yards further away from him and see if it moves :P14:14
* BigRedS was briefly worried about cred card fraud there14:16
TheOpenSourcererThere also seems to be no direct way to view the blog content from the home page.14:17
danfishhmm - the M25 is labelled 'Autoroute Britanique M25' on the map.14:21
danfishZut alors!14:21
TheOpenSourcererQuelle Surprise!14:22
popeyTheOpenSourcerer: categories on the right14:22
popeyi.e. click news14:23
TheOpenSourcererYeah - I know popey, but no single page for all recent blog posts.14:23
popeytrue14:24
daubersAlanBell: http://www.rivercottage.net/shop/product/bee_keeping/ \o/14:24
TheOpenSourcererdanfish: Hey, the Boulevard Peripherique is called the Paris Ringroad :-)14:24
* daubers is very tempted to dust off the credit card14:24
danfishTheOpenSourcerer: ha - when we were kids we broke down on the Peripherique towing a caravan. My dad started out all English and apologetic, but after 30mins was swearing his head off at the other drivers. One of my fondest memories as a kid ;)14:28
TheOpenSourcererIt's a crazy road really. Too small, too many exits (portes) and just rammed with traffic.14:29
TheOpenSourcererOooh shiny new phone... From Viewsonic: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/viewsonic-debuts-v350-smartphone-viewpad-10-pro-tablet/2231314:30
selinuxiumAlanBell, Favicon from wiki ubuntu.com and ubuntu-uk.org is a different colour... Not sure if this was intended... :)14:31
diplolol, we broke down on there as well danfish14:32
diploGreat fun isn't it14:32
popeythe one at ubuntu-uk.org is right isnt it?14:32
popeyorange14:32
diploWe never used it again after14:32
popeywonder where ours came from14:33
selinuxiumpopey, both are orange, the one from wiki.ubuntu.com is the same colour as the oen we use in the ubuntu-uk local team logo... the one on the site is a lighter orange..14:33
TheOpenSourcererpopey: Here: http://ubuntu-uk.org/favicon.ico :-)14:34
selinuxiumTheOpenSourcerer, :)14:34
popeywhich one is more right?14:34
TheOpenSourcererSorry - coudn't resist that one.14:34
danfishdiplo: indeedy14:35
selinuxiumpopey, neither is more wrong either... i just happened to have the tabs open with them next to each other..14:35
selinuxiumbut the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/favicon.ico is the same colour as the on eused in the loco logo...14:36
* selinuxium same to have a typing disorder... 14:36
* selinuxium same??? seems... need sleep...14:36
shaunoubuntu.com, wiki. and loco. all use exactly the same file (the md5sum match).  so I'd assume that's the right orange14:38
selinuxiumshauno ?14:38
shaunothe favicon are all identical; except uuk's14:39
popeyok14:39
popeyalan@www:/srv/ubuntu-uk.org/www/wp-content/themes/light-wordpress-theme/images$ diff favicon.ico /home/alan/favicon.ico14:40
popeyBinary files favicon.ico and /home/alan/favicon.ico differ14:40
popeyI concur!14:40
popeyfixed14:40
selinuxiumhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/787918/Screenshot.png14:41
selinuxiumshauno, OK. Sorry. miss understood :)14:41
* danfish still can't figure out nested screen sessions :(14:51
Laneyctrl-a goes one screen down14:52
Laneythen you do the normal shortcut without the ctrl-a and it operates on the inner screen14:52
popeythats not what I do14:55
popeyctrl+a, a then whatever shortcut gets you the second one14:56
popeyctrl+a, a, a then whatever shortcut gets you the third one14:56
popeyetc14:56
jpdsWhy would you want to put a screen within a screen?14:57
popeyif you're sshing to a machine behind another14:57
dwatkinsI do it a lot14:57
popeyditto14:57
dwatkinsmy laptop doesn't stay up, but the machine I ssh into does14:57
dwatkinsso I ssh from that into others14:57
dwatkinsand run screen on them too14:57
popey4 deep is the most I have done i think14:58
danfishah - ctrl-a,a etc. Wasn't using enough 'a's. Tx15:01
popeyNEED MOAR AAAA!15:01
MartijnVdSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA15:01
MartijnVdSpopey: you can copy/paste some of mine15:02
popeythanks!15:02
s-foxAfternoon everypeople :)15:04
TheOpenSourcererKewl - Full 1080p recording coming to a phone near you soon... http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/samsung-releases-8-and-12-megapixel-cmos-smartphone-sensors-sho/15:05
* daubers puts on some ELO and tries to focus15:16
MartijnVdSdaubers: on ELO?15:16
daubersMartijnVdS: On why on keeping track of which object is calling what in my code15:18
MartijnVdSdaubers: Law of Demeter :)15:18
daubersMartijnVdS: Indeed15:18
* MartijnVdS downloads the (legal!) SXSW torrent for '1115:19
MartijnVdShttp://torrentfreak.com/sxsw-2011-on-bittorrent-4-49-gb-of-free-music-110210/15:19
dwatkinssudo doesn't seem to use my path15:27
MartijnVdSdwatkins: that's a feature :)15:27
* bigcalm would like to kick Drupal squarely in the balls15:28
MartijnVdSdwatkins: should be possible to turn it off in sudoers15:28
MartijnVdSbigcalm: why?15:28
Seekerwee netsplit15:28
bigcalmMartijnVdS: ok, maybe not Drupal itself. I'm extending a pre-made theme for a client. The CSS is proving annoying15:29
MartijnVdSbigcalm: CSS always is15:30
MartijnVdSit's why I do backends, not frontends15:30
bigcalmI prefer to do backends as well. Or something really fun with JS.15:31
MartijnVdSonly if someone else gets to make it cross-browser :)15:31
bigcalmJS frameworks FTW!15:31
czajkowskiAlanBell: ping15:32
AlanBello/15:33
* AlanBell reads scrollback and will move farnham pin a bit15:33
AlanBelland I am sure there is a url for recent blog posts somewhere15:33
AlanBelldaubers: are you going bee keeping?15:34
daubersAlanBell: If I can get the missus' approval..15:35
daubersA day beekeeping at River Cottage sounds quite idyllic15:35
winterweaverso, how do I know if I get a new laptop (Alienware M11X to be specific), that ubuntu will run things everything like it's supposed to. I remember in the past people complaining that it doesnt run the correct fan speeds on some laptops, and sometimes dont shut down hard drives correctly. I dont want to pay a lot of money on a laptop that I'm just gonna kill, cause I use Ubuntu everyday15:35
danfishdaubers: I was walking in Dorset last year near Bridport - walked round a corner in a quiet valley and tada - there was the original River Cottage15:39
shaunoevery time you mention beekeeping I just want to yell out "I'm covered in bees!".  just fyi :)15:39
daubersdanfish: Yup, they do events there!15:40
daubersdanfish: I went to the Autumn Fair last year and is was fantastic15:40
danfishwinterweaver: I suppose the only surefire way is to find a vendor, and ask if you can try a live usb15:40
danfishdaubers: excellent. Is that the one just accoss the border in Devon?15:41
winterweavertrue... i've been stalking the forums, the folks that have one dont seem to be complaining, other than the screen card issues.15:41
daubersdanfish: It's the original river cottage in the valley, but they've got a cafe in axminster15:46
daubersdanfish: Think it's called park farm15:47
AlanBellhttp://ubuntu-uk.org/blog/15:47
daubersdanfish: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=EX13+8TB&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.530974,34.453125&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Axminster+EX13+8TB,+United+Kingdom&ll=50.750332,-2.989397&spn=0.005919,0.033646&z=15&layer=c&cbll=50.750344,-2.989404&panoid=4lNBlaQIvS9V4bfIhziWdg&cbp=11,193.42,,0,-2.78 <- There15:48
pr0ph3thi all15:48
pr0ph3tI have nautilus that keeps opening a menu bar on the desktop, I killed the process but it keeps coming up, what could be the problem?15:49
MartijnVdSa plugin in nautilus?15:50
pr0ph3tMartijnVdS, possibly15:52
MartijnVdSwhat's in the menu that opens?15:52
MartijnVdSwhich version of Ubuntu?15:52
pr0ph3tMartijnVdS, it's as if nautilus was open in the desktop folder and I get the simple File Edit View Places Help menu15:54
danfishdaubers: I think there have been so many - this was the 1st http://www.panoramio.com/photo/3461983515:55
daubersdanfish: Ah, possibly15:56
daubersdanfish: They did have the gastro wagon at the Autumn Fair16:03
AlanBellczajkowski: pong16:05
czajkowskiAlanBell: tis ok16:06
TheOpenSourcererMubarak has gone!16:08
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TheOpenSourcererhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-1230769816:09
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danfish'bout time to16:11
directhexwhere's HazRPG, i'm sure he has some insight to share16:11
Azelphurhehe16:16
DJonesNice wonder if this could make an Olympic event for 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-1233596016:33
MartijnVdSDJones: imac bowling?16:34
DJonesMartijnVdS: Speed assembling of a PC16:35
MartijnVdSnot as much fun as imac bowling :)16:35
daubers16:53
daubers:(16:53
daubersAh ha!16:53
MartijnVdSdaubers: ♫16:53
daubersWhy for does screen not like unicode no more16:53
daubers16:54
MartijnVdSdaubers: ♫16:54
daubersStupid screen16:54
daubers♪: command not found16:54
daubers?Y? is not what I asked for16:54
dauberssilly screen16:54
MartijnVdSI see musical notes16:55
MartijnVdS<note char>: command not found16:55
MartijnVdSbut:16:55
MartijnVdS17:54 < daubers> ?Y? is not what I asked for16:55
daubersHmmm, byobu doesn't start with unicode enabled by default16:56
MartijnVdSfial16:56
popeyit doesnt?16:57
daubers♪ WEEEEEEE16:57
dauberspopey: Doesn't seem to on my vps16:57
daubersHad to create a new session to make it do so16:57
jpdsЧто?16:57
daubersThats 10.0416:57
daubersDoes seem to in 10.10 though16:57
daubersbyobu version 2.68 compared too 3.5 in 10.1016:58
Myrttimy brain wants to play minecraft, but the body is too lazy to follow instructions on how to move in it16:59
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bigcalmMyrtti: make a paper piggie :)17:00
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Baikonurand then hit it to get ham?17:00
bigcalmhttp://yfrog.com/hsxkxhxj17:00
Baikonurit is indeed a paper pig17:01
bigcalmWas fun to make :)17:02
Myrttibigcalm: my sisters printer is out of red ink and I've got only a bw laser at my apartment17:08
bigcalmBoo :(17:08
MyrttiI actually am considering going to bed17:08
directhexsolution: colour laser17:08
Myrttiwhat would I do with a colour laser17:09
directhexprint pigs.17:09
MyrttiI barely use my black and white17:09
directhexhth. hand.17:09
popeyi might make some this weekend17:09
Myrttimain purpose is to copy crossword puzzles to my mum and printing out ryanair boarding passes17:09
MyrttiI don't need colour laser for that17:09
Myrttiand scan sick leave certificates and such to HR17:10
Myrttisudo fetch me an iskender döner plz17:11
popeyhttp://popey.com/minecraft/papercraft/17:12
popeyneed to do that this weekend17:12
jonsainthi all. can anyone tell me what software i can use to create a mp3 cd for my car?17:13
Azelphurbrasero? it's built in?17:14
directhexjonsaint, an mp3 cd is just a data disc filled with mp3 files. you don't need to do anything fancy17:14
jonsainttried it. it will burn normal cd's17:14
Azelphuroh, mp3 cd17:14
bigcalmBlack CD in your drive, drag files to it, finalise, put cd in car :)17:14
Azelphurhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLPa4Fsh4ak is the answer17:14
bigcalmAzelphur: bit mean :)17:15
Azelphurwasn't meant to be mean, just funny :p17:16
jonsaintcheers folks il try that17:16
gordgraze.com do not seem to understand, they started providing me with chocolate, i came to depend on them for chocolate and now they send a box that has zero chocolate in it at all? this shall not stand.17:51
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danfishgord: it's for your own good. Eat an olive instead.17:57
shaunotheir website makes it look like little packages of rabbit food.  is it usually a bit more appealing?17:58
* daubers goes home18:00
shaunosilly question, 800MHz would be adequate for a (home) firewall?18:00
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gordshauno, there are a lot of things that look like rabbit food yes, if you don't like nuts, sunflower seeds and rasins, i wouldn't bother18:01
shaunojust wasn't expecting to hear of chocolate based on what I'd seen :)18:02
gordwell you get chocolate coated things sometimes, but its still nuts, sunflower seeds and raisins ;)18:03
danfishand olives, lots of olives :(18:03
gordi banished olives from my boxes18:03
danfishgood move - in reality if I banished everything I don't like, I'd be left with only those korean rice crackers and flapjacks18:04
MartijnVdSdanfish: meal of kings18:13
danfishMartijnVdS: true18:23
MartijnVdSargh18:23
* MartijnVdS files another bug18:23
MartijnVdSI've disabled menus in gnome-terminal18:23
MartijnVdSbut EVERY TIME I switch windows, it shows up18:24
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jpdsDear jabber.org, stop falling over, kthxbye,18:28
MartijnVdS\o/ gtalk18:28
brobostigonnoswaith dda everyone.18:59
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* jacobw is stuck in screen19:30
MartijnVdSjacobw: ctrl+a k19:30
TheOpenSourcererFriday night = pub night. Ta Da all. :-D19:30
jacobwta MartijnVdS19:30
jacobwah, I should rephrase, I'm stuck in irssi in screen19:31
MartijnVdSjacobw: aren't we all :P19:31
jacobwirssi is eating the escape sequences19:31
jacobwhehe19:31
* MartijnVdS changed the escape to Ctrl+X19:31
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brobostigonannoying, how can my dad not know how to cook couscous, :(19:45
mgdmisn't it printed on the packet? :)19:47
brobostigonyes, it is.19:47
brobostigonhe didnt look.19:47
bigcalmbrobostigon: what did he try to do?19:47
brobostigonbigcalm: he failled to consider the fact to seal it,while steaming, and to add flavoring to infuse it.19:48
bigcalmAt least it wont take long to make some more :)19:49
brobostigonbigcalm: very true, yes. :)19:49
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Pendulumone of my mates is showing me the minecraft server she uses and someone built a giant carrot on it. very odd.20:29
Azelphurgiant carrots are always fun.20:30
* brobostigon goes to watch QI20:30
MartijnVdSit's an old one20:30
brobostigonMartijnVdS: dont matter, it the only thing on.20:30
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: rachmaninoff doc on 420:30
MartijnVdSbbc4*20:30
brobostigonMartijnVdS: umm, interesting.20:31
brobostigoncool, i just noticed in gwibber that brian cox uses android.20:39
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: you follow him as well? :)20:40
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: you might like these people: http://twitter.com/#!/periodicvideos20:40
brobostigonMartijnVdS: yeah, :), i have a majoy physics interest,20:40
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: well.. you'll love periodicvideos, 60symbols and other channels from the Uni of Nottingham :)20:41
brobostigonMartijnVdS: :)20:41
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domjohnsonIf Windows 7 was my idea, I think I'd kill myself.21:05
Azelphurme too21:05
brobostigonlol21:05
brobostigonsatire, :)21:06
AzelphurI wish Windows 7 was my idea, I could have crippled it...oh wait...21:06
brobostigon:)21:06
Baikonuri've got nothing agains windows 721:06
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brobostigonhustle is also pretty good,21:13
warddrHello all21:15
brobostigonnoswaith dda warddr21:16
warddrDo you have by any chance a page explaining how to use the live-cd? Something I can print for if I give someone a live-cd?21:16
warddrbrobostigon, I don't think I understand what you're telling me21:17
Azelphurwarddr: "Put it in the CD drive"21:17
AzelphurxD21:18
brobostigonwarddr: good evening, in welsh. :)21:18
brobostigontell bios to boot of cd.21:18
warddrOh, hello :D I'm from belgium, just here to ask about the paper21:18
brobostigonwarddr: MartijnVdS is a fellow country then.21:19
AlanBellhi warddr21:19
brobostigoncountry man*21:19
* AlanBell hands brobostigon a map21:19
brobostigondoh21:20
warddrWe've got a page in Dutch and French explaining some first steps and where to find help, I thought maybe you had one as well. My engish teacher is interested in ubuntu, and I prefere to give him an english version21:20
brobostigonthanks AlanBell :(21:20
AlanBellwarddr: http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/en/get-materials/packaging21:23
AlanBellstuff there might be of interest for putting with a CD21:23
AlanBellhowever I can see a first steps article would be a handy thing and I don't know where one is21:24
warddrAlanBell, I'll translate ours in English, I can send it to you if you like21:24
AlanBellI can read French21:25
brobostigoni think a few of us might be interested, inreading it.21:25
warddrThis is the frensh version for who speaks frensh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntu-cd-flyer-A4-FR-BE.odt21:26
AlanBellMerci21:26
* brobostigon admits defeat.21:26
AlanBellAlan Cocks has some flyers he hands out, not sure where the online version is21:26
warddrBut I'll try to translate the dutch version to English21:27
* brobostigon gets warddr a leffe.21:27
AlanBellnice document warddr21:28
warddrNo credits to me for that21:29
warddrbut indeed a nice document21:29
czajkowskiPendulum: like the video :D21:37
Pendulumso cute!21:38
czajkowskiPendulum: aye such a tear jerker21:39
PendulumI can't believe they're 5!21:39
czajkowskineither can I21:40
czajkowskiseeing as they nearly didnt live, and she had to resuscitate cillian after a few days.21:40
Pendulumyeah21:40
czajkowskibeen a rough but entertaining few years21:40
Pendulumheh21:41
czajkowskinot been able to get the song out of my head today21:44
moreatiPendulum: I watched the video, and they look like fabulous kids who obviously adore each other. If twin births were more common I think we'd be much better off as a society. Best luck for the next 5 years.21:45
Pendulummoreati: they're not my kids21:46
czajkowskimoreati: they my mates.21:46
czajkowskishe lives in canada now21:46
czajkowskifyi for others : weapy video but sooo cute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tMsb8QeDCY&feature21:46
moreatiPendulum: czajkowski apologies, I misunderstood21:46
czajkowskinp21:46
Pendulummoreati: not a problem :)21:47
danfishaloha ahiahi21:52
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