[00:31] oh my gosh [00:31] if there's one reason to learn asterisk properly it's that support for other approaches is severely lacking. [00:38] and I hate flame wars :( === webpigeon_web is now known as webpigeon_laptop [01:00] any recommendations for a router with a decent range [01:01] & good at going through old walls :p [01:02] -80 dBm for both wireless APs in the house at the moment, one is downstairs in the conservatory and the next is on the 1st floor in the study - but signal where I am is terrible. We've got the HomePlugs - but ideally want wireless for all our handheld devices (ipad, ipod, android .etc) [01:03] I just thought - based on the website for #ubuntu-uk, I'm the only one in the north of england [01:04] if someone could ping me a reply tomorrow that'd be very useful - thanks! [01:05] aww, the uuk site has (very) mild breakage on mine :( [01:06] shauno: really? [01:06] like where? [01:06] 'loco directory' doesn't fit in it's box in the header menu, because I've got an enforced minimum font size [01:07] I did say very mild ;) [01:07] andylockran: btw dude, just get yourself a bigger antenna for your existing router - you'd be surprised how much wonders that will do ya [01:08] (I'm not exactly blind, but my screen has a silly native resolution; I have to bump the fonts to be able to read) [01:09] shauno: ouch, what resolution are you pumping out of your screen? [01:09] 1600x1200 [01:09] in what I believe is 19", possibly 21 [01:10] why not just use 1280x1024 ? [01:10] because then icons are face-sized [01:10] HazRPG: where do you get them from ? [01:10] andylockran: I usually buy off ebay [01:11] shauno: face-sized? Really... how :S? [01:11] my friend has a 19" or so monitor and he runs in 1280x1024 just fine [01:11] http://www.belkin.com/support/article/?lid=en&pid=f5d8231-4&aid=5927&scid=221 that's what I've got at the moment... [01:11] I like the UI to be as skinny as possible; leave the space for things I'm actually using. [01:12] and since OSX doesn't let me install themes that are a bit more trimmed down (or, themes at all), I just run the monitor native [01:12] andylockran: quick question, can you unscrew the antennas out of your router? [01:12] oh good lord, it's 17" [01:13] shauno: I have 2x17" monitors - I actually took the tape measure out and checked xD [01:13] I just had to google the part number [01:14] 17", 1600 x 1200 at 75 Hz .. so yeah I don't let web pages use 12px fonts ;) [01:15] shauno: I got my monitors from my old college for £10 a piece - so I'm not sure what monitors they are other than DELL that's written on the front - but hey I have a tape measure next to my computer at all times - always comes in handy [01:15] HazRPG: I'll run and check... [01:15] wow 1600x1200 native for a 17" monitor seems insane! [01:15] andylockran: cool [01:15] it's a fantastic monitor. I'll be sad when it dies. [01:16] crt & weighs more than I do. but it'll sync down far enough to run my amiga on it [01:16] andylockran: the antenna end should look somewhat like this - http://www.more-shop.co.uk/images/medium/DWL-50AT_MED.png [01:16] andylockran: that's assuming its not physically attached, if it is - then you can't simply replace it [01:17] andylockran: but if you can, you can just get yourself a longer antenna, with an extension cord so that you can move it to a more appropriate place [01:18] HazRPG: thanks for the tip [01:18] shauno: haha, yeah I think I've got a CRT that supports that sort of resolution too :P [01:18] my little bro is asleep in the same room as the router so can't check now. [01:18] will do so tomorrow morning. [01:19] andylockran: this is the one I got I think: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10-dBi-Wireless-WIFI-Booster-Antenna-WLAN-RP-SMA-Stand-/320644926871?pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item4aa7ed4d97#ht_2655wt_1139 [01:19] it looks similar [01:20] cheers dude, will have a look tomorrow [01:21] night all1 [01:21] that's the kind of answers I like. friendly and to the point. love #ubuntu-uk :) [01:21] :P [01:22] andylockran: since yours has 3 ports, you could always just get three of those I linked you to (they're cheap enough) and don't need to use the extension cord it comes with - but you can be a better judge on that one obviously [01:23] andylockran: also, night, hope you can get some better results with the bigger antennas [01:25] andylockran: btw, if your still about - I was just quickly looking through the manuals off the website, and it seems you should be able to replace those antennas :) - glhf (good luck, have fun) [01:26] shauno: still shocked you use it at full native resolution - I would have knocked it down a few [01:27] shauno: surely you should be able to customize your OSX a little bit... [01:27] you'd be surprised [01:27] shauno: I mean, the dock can be hidden until mouse is at the bottom can't it? [01:27] oh, yeah I have that hidden [01:28] oh, what's the issue with screen real estate? === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [01:29] thought it would have been just the dock that was in the way [01:29] I just don't like the UI being so bulky. toolbars, tab bars, everything [01:29] since all windows use a global menu bar at the top doesn't it? [01:29] I'm still cheesed I can't turn the tab bar off in this irc client. but I managed to edit everything else out of it [01:30] shauno: what client you using? [01:30] it's called 'colloquy'. not fantastic, but the easiest to abuse I've found yet [01:31] oh, heh I think I know the one you mean [01:31] abuse how? [01:31] it has a menu entry to hide the tab bar. it hasn't done anything for 3+ years now [01:31] silly little things like it has a bar at the top of the screen that shows you the topic. constantly. [01:31] that's gone :) [01:38] shauno: what version of OSX are you using? [01:38] current, I believe [01:38] yup, 10.6.6 [01:47] shauno: http://themechanger.sourceforge.net/ [01:48] yeah, I used to use something similar. gave up on them because it kept breaking OS updates [01:48] ah [01:49] just out of interest, why OSX? [01:51] tempted to order indian take-away food [01:52] eh, long story. basically I wasn't happy with gnome was, or where it was going [01:53] and frankly, stuff like having to rebuild nvidia drivers every time there's a kernel update is for the birds [01:55] I used linux exclusively from slack 3.3 ('96, maybe '97) until apple went intel. then defected. [01:56] shauno: woah, rebuilding drivers? Seriously? [01:56] I can't say I've ever had that issue [01:57] although saying that only been using linux since 2005 [01:57] I couldn't sit and download distros on a 16.5Kbps connection in saudi :/ [01:58] that and sites like sourceforge, etc were blocked because of various software that was on it [01:58] that the government didn't approve of [01:58] so they just blocked the whole site [01:59] I got my first few from a friend with a uni account. then they started cropping up in books & on magazine covers [01:59] not in saudi :P [01:59] we had a few Mac based mags, but mainly windows based ones [02:00] eventually I ended up mail ordering them because debian was silly-sized (I think it was 3 disks for potato and 7 for woody) [02:00] was rare to hear the world "linux" over there - except Unix - that was a popular word [02:00] seems a few servers out there still run on Unix [02:01] shauno: really debian was that big back then? [02:01] they do; mostly systems people are terrified to break [02:01] I know red hat was like 5-6 discs at one point [02:01] we learned how to install it at college lol [02:02] I was shocked to hear my dad said the current project over there is to get the systems from Unix over to Oracle for their databases [02:02] which seems odd as a sentence [02:03] but he's not tech-savvy when it comes to O/S [02:03] he can tell you what hardware he has - and what's good/bad, but operating systems - he still thinkings windows XP is the future lol [02:04] I told dad, that for what he uses his computer for - ubuntu or similar would actually be better for him [02:04] but like I said, hard to get copies of such things over there - plus would be better if I actually installed it for him myself (one day) [02:04] hm, they don't seem to have anything that old on cdimage.debian.org, but I'm pretty sure it was 3 for potato and 7 for woody (just for binaries) [02:05] you didn't need all of them, but if you're going to mail order them, it doesn't hurt :) [02:05] oh I don't doubt that dude :P [02:05] I remember red hat was a beast of storage at one point [02:05] I only ever had redhat on a one-disk install (5.2) [02:06] really? [02:06] I recall having it on 5-6 at college [02:06] that was one that came with a book; no idea what it looked like retail [02:06] again that was roughly 2004 ish [02:06] I think this woulda been around 99/2000 [02:07] Red Hat before it became Fedora for the free version use to take up a whole dvd or more [02:08] Fedora still does if I recall :/ [02:08] heh, pretty much everything does. imagine if ubuntu put the entire repo in the images :) [02:10] hm, seems mirror.ac.uk is gone. that used to be the easiest way I knew to see how big repos actually were [02:10] altho they symlink everything to /pool/ now, so not sure that'd work [02:11] still use ubuntu mind. not on my 'main machine', but on pretty much everything else I can get my hands on [02:15] still bummed they stole jdub tho. I miss garnome :) [02:24] 2.30 and I work in the morning. think I'll leave it there. night HazRPG [07:46] hello all [07:48] morning [07:50] morning. [07:55] morning [07:55] hah, it's 11-02-2011 today [07:56] palindrome date [08:04] :-) [08:07] Excuse me while I go and throw up. http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/02/11/open-letter-from-ceo-stephen-elop-nokia-and-ceo-steve-ballmer-microsoft/ Don't watch the 39s video! [08:12] "There are other mobile ecosystems. We will disrupt them." business as usual then [08:13] "The 39s video" made me think of Queen 8-) [08:17] Morning all [08:27] Queen o/ [08:27] Does he shout about developers? [08:37] Morning [08:38] mornin' all [08:39] * daubers mucks around with inotify [08:45] mornin all [08:49] I'm really enjoying the Xubuntu machines I've been using lately [09:00] * BigRedS demands a strong coffee [09:01] morning [09:01] BigRedS: strong coffee with a espresso chaser :) [09:01] MooDoo: That sort of thing :) [09:01] * BigRedS gets a strong coffee [09:01] awesome! [09:35] a hoy hoy! [09:36] Hulloooo [09:36] A hoy hoy! [09:36] howdy [09:37] Hi kids :) [09:37] Hi dad! [09:38] dadbuntu? [09:39] Doesn't have the same ring to it [09:42] Hi === SuperMatt is now known as RHCSAMatt [09:45] Happy Friday, everyone! [09:45] rip nokia [09:46] directhex: Indeed. [09:47] moar coffee. [09:51] Hello. [09:53] o/ s-fox [09:54] * popey does the wiki pages for last nights meeting [09:54] bum [09:54] need to fix mootbot.ubuntu-uk.org [09:55] that would be night's meeting popey [09:56] fixed [09:56] :D [09:57] s-fox: morning [09:57] * popey hugs mootbot [09:59] Hello AlanBell :) [09:59] Hi MooDoo :) [09:59] * MooDoo read mootbot as moodoo at a quick glance and got worried [09:59] MooDoo: you're a bot?! [09:59] MartijnVdS: Unable to compute [10:00] ** WARNING ** Will Robinson [10:01] Danger, Will Robinson! [10:01] I wonder why we need to be afraid of him... it's not like we're lost in space or anything... [10:01] So whats likely to happen to Qt now MS are teaming up with Nokia and providing development tools. Are Nokia likely to drop it? [10:02] dwatkins: indeed your correct it's Danger lol === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [10:04] morning everyone [10:04] morning Knightwise [10:05] DaveMorris: it is LGPL so the code is safe [10:05] yeah I know the code is, I was just under the impression that Nokia employed quite a few Qt devs [10:05] DaveMorris: but development of it at Nokian will probably stop [10:06] Nokia even [10:06] Surrey lug is at Nokia tomorrow [10:06] maybe libreQt will be born.... [10:07] danfish: they'll need a new name probably? (trademarks) [10:12] i'm trying to revive an G3 imac here [10:12] got 10.10 server installed [10:12] whats the best gui ? Openbox ? [10:12] do i just do sudo apt-get install xorg openbox ? or do i need more ? [10:13] surely openbox will depend on sufficient stuff to work [10:13] Knightwise: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox [10:13] yeah , but when i just do an apt-get install openbox .. it doesnt work [10:14] sudo aptitude install openbox obconf [10:14] thanx :) i'll give that a try [10:14] so no Xorg ? [10:14] Not according the help.ubuntu.com link [10:15] ok ;:) thanx [10:17] MartijnVdS: LibreCute? === denny_ is now known as denny [10:23] Interesting, after Nokia & MS link up, is this a sign that RIM & Google are getting together http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/11/rim_putting_android_apps_on_playbook_tablet/ [10:24] I guess its one of boosting the number of apps available [10:24] RIM *shudder* [10:27] Well, that's the end of me ever buying a Nokia phone. [10:27] I used to _only_ buy Nokias [10:27] popey: not all Nokia phones run WP7 [10:27] what else will their smartphones run? [10:27] I also used to only get Nokias, but that was before the invention of the smartphone. [10:27] Meego, I gather [10:27] hahahahaha [10:27] yeah, right [10:28] come back in a year and show me all those handsets.. in one hand [10:30] howdy [10:30] "MeeGo will place increased emphasis on longer-term market exploration of next-generation devices." [10:32] like.. the n900? [10:32] (as an example of Nokia exploring next-gen devices) [10:32] Laney: That sounds like they're saying that they have no current plans to do anything with MeeGo [10:32] (and an example of my assertion that there is only one of them) [10:32] "we are going to sit on MeeGo for a few years until it just goes away" [10:33] AlanBell: That summarises what was going through my mind [10:33] "we are not going to let MeeGo go because it might compete with us" [10:34] it's kind of ironic that Nokia and Linus originate from the same country [10:37] Meh, I still want a nexus s to just play with NFC things [10:37] nope ,dont think xorg still supports the videocard in the G3 [10:37] daubers: are there NFC things other than that phone? [10:38] MartijnVdS: Apparently (according to some people I've spoken too at various chip firms) NFC is massivley popular in the far east [10:38] MartijnVdS: Some companies are trying to retrofit handsets to have NFC chips in [10:40] I just want to NFC enable the company stand at trade shows :) === cking is now known as cking-afk [10:47] daubers: "we in the west" use qr codes ;) [10:50] I have NFC what NFC is [10:50] AlanBell: near field comms.. "Active rfid" [10:51] that's the one [10:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [10:54] MartijnVdS: NFC is _much_ cooler [10:54] daubers: it can read your bank details? [10:55] Hi all, just a quick pimp... Friend Ebaying an original eeePC. £60 including car charger and 8GB SD card... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200574804592&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT [10:55] MartijnVdS: You'd need an app from your bank to do that [10:56] I'm relativley certain the bump comms in the new palm devices will be NFC powered... but have no proof of that yet [10:59] hah - a good take on the nokia story from the newshump [10:59] http://newsthump.com/2011/02/11/phones-no-one-uses-to-run-operating-system-no-one-likes/ [10:59] haha [11:06] morning all [11:08] Hah - http://twitpic.com/3ylh2v [11:08] * daubers needs foods [11:10] TheOpenSourcerer: Didn't take long :) [11:10] Nope. [11:10] I think Microsoft should use the product red colour instead of blue ;) [11:11] nokia, i am disappoint [11:13] vmware has pink screens of death [11:13] xboxes have red rings of dearh [11:13] death [11:13] TheOpenSourcerer: good one [11:13] yeah, I have two of those, directhex [11:13] I loved yesterday's Dilbert though. Anyone saw that? [11:29] * BigRedS just had a support ticket asking him to fix IE [11:30] BigRedS, That will be where that Big 'S' will be needed... :) [11:30] * davmor2 prods czajkowski with a wake you sciving git stick [11:31] Haha [11:32] TheOpenSourcerer: I wonder if Nokia will do the sensible thing and have one button called "Any" [11:33] Think I've found Nokia's inspiration for their new strategy http://search.dilbert.com/search?p=R&srid=S3%2d2&lbc=dilbert&w=random&url=http%3a%2f%2fdilbert%2ecom%2fstrips%2fcomic%2f1996%2d09%2d13%2f&rk=47&uid=763453366&sid=2&ts=custom&rsc=jcrs::IVciqj0rxv&method=and&isort=date&view=list&filter=type%3acomic [11:35] moreati: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzZ86GYoxE0 [11:35] Did he go back and re-colour all of the old strips? [11:36] bigcalm: they were always in colour you just need to enable the colour this strip option? You mean you never did? [11:37] o.O [11:37] bigcalm: :D [11:37] * bigcalm kippers davmor2 [11:43] smoke me a kipper, i'll be home for breakfast [11:44] MooDoo: Hello [11:45] davmor2: good morning sir! [11:48] davmor2: how are you this fine friday? [11:49] MooDoo: Glad it's Friday :) You? [11:50] davmor2: same, it's been a hard week [11:53] hey guyz [11:53] hey [11:54] anybody know a good command line / ascii interface (like the dos menu's we had in the old days' for an old G3 system ? [11:54] my attempts of getting a GUI on it have failed horribly :) [11:55] knightwise: byobu :) [11:55] knightwise: have a look at ion2/3 it's a command line windows manager....not sure if it's available any more though [11:55] knightwise: mc ? [11:55] got those [11:55] knightwise: write something using "dialog"? [11:55] perhaps i'll try that [11:55] * BigRedS assumes 'G3' doesn't refer to a PPC mac [11:56] * MartijnVdS is afraid it does [11:56] Oh yes it does [11:56] its kinda cute though [11:56] Yeah, I have a few of those :) [11:56] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook [11:57] I guess it's not on that list, though [11:57] erm .. check out www.knightwise.com to see what i do with Ubuntu and macbooks [11:58] i think i need to make some adjustments to to xorg.conf to set the resolution right [11:58] however in 10.10 there is no xorg.conf anymore [11:58] knightwise: omg, YOU are sure_ill_draw_that?! :P [11:59] MartijnVdS: ? [11:59] lol :) naah [11:59] i'm not that geeky [11:59] knightwise: http://www.reddit.com/user/Sure_Ill_Draw_That [12:00] knightwise: neat, I was hoping grub would work [12:00] knightwise: he has the same glasses as you :) [12:00] be back later , have some work to do for the skunkworks : [12:00] lol [12:00] dwatkins: the dual boot was fairly easy to do , i'll never use that other bootloader that they recommend for dual booting macs and stuff [12:01] (forgot the name but mentioned it in the podcast) [12:20] woohoo apparently it's hug a tall person day, send me your hugs :D === cking-afk is now known as cking [12:36] MooDoo: how tall are you? ;) [12:37] nigelb: 6'6 [12:38] nigelb: i believe that counts :p [12:38] lol [12:39] bit akward for me, it's always like, Hello, I'm now hugging your waste line, akward.. [12:39] lol [12:45] czajkowski: My morning prod failed then [12:48] i kinda want to mark the fact that thunderbird has "Compose messages in HTML format" enabled by default as a bug... y'know, for the greater good [12:52] davmor2: prod harder [12:52] gord_: do it [12:53] gord_: in fact do it and mark it as a security risk :D [13:10] haha - comment of the day IMO regarding Nokia etc [13:10] I would say that iOS is a precious beauty queen, and Android is an Olympic athlete, WM7 is a tired old man in drag. [13:10] ^^ from comments on BBC website http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2011/02/is_the_nokiamicrosoft_horse_a.html [13:11] can libreoffice be installed side by side with openoffice.org on 10.04? [13:14] AlanBell: I've heard claims that people have done it [13:16] AlanBell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice Please note OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice don't coexist. Install LibreOffice following these instructions will effectively remove OpenOffice.org. [13:16] AlanBell: the computer says no here - mutters about unstable distribution [13:16] ok, thanks [13:16] makes things more interesting [13:17] Alfresco on one machine, libreoffice headless on another [13:17] Aloha [13:18] moo [13:20] popey: Don't do that or you may get farmed for leather [13:20] daubers: or milk [13:21] hah [13:25] ya happy friday :D [13:25] well it was till I got a call to do work on my day off [13:25] remind me next time someone to turn off phone [13:27] * Pendulum hugs czajkowski [13:27] *sigh* [13:27] I did explain I was on annual leave but the person was rather adamant stuff be changed today. [13:28] Nobody else able to do stuff? [13:29] nope not in this case [13:29] annoying [13:29] welcome to working in the UK [13:30] woking? [13:30] Welcome to Woking station [13:30] Pendulum: I suggest have a box of tissues to hand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tMsb8QeDCY [13:34] I will be in Woking tomorrow [13:35] Poop [13:36] Going to see Jimmy Carr [13:37] Oh, Woking, not working [13:37] :) [13:37] :D [13:37] Hayley and I saw Jimmy in Wolverhampton. Great fun [13:37] excellent [13:38] going out for food / booze before too [13:41] Pendulum: twins are 5 :D [13:42] popey: sounds like a good night planned [13:43] yeah :) [13:43] also, we have a possible venue for oggcamp :D [13:44] Woot [13:44] ohh [13:51] * BigRedS intends to get to oggcamp this year [13:51] again [13:52] Better set a date for oggcamp11 soon. This year is filling up already [13:52] popey are u allowed to say the possible venue? [13:52] I'd rather not yet. [13:52] not booked [13:52] * mungojerry hoping for london [13:52] not london :) [13:53] Phew [13:53] boo :( [13:53] Few would be able to afford the over night stay [13:53] outside term time, some uni's offer good accomodation, and obviously a good venue too [13:54] popey, near london? :P [13:54] south east perchance? [13:55] well, I live in Farnborough :) [13:56] roundabouts? [13:56] redhats :P [13:56] redhat is too small [13:56] I am obviously stupid and don't understand... ;/ [13:59] * mungojerry thinks he's probably not gonna get much more out of popey for the time being [14:00] oggcamp at popey's house \o/ [14:00] why do i have a tail today? === gord_ is now known as gord [14:00] Is it a tail or a no-tail? [14:00] C'mon tubbs! [14:05] anyone else here got tdu2? [14:05] btw when does the uupc podcast come back again? [14:05] "soon" [14:06] surviving on the LAS show for now, but bryan & chris keep having babies [14:06] hah [14:06] thats a miracle of science [14:12] I think there is a teensy weensy bug with the map on the new Loco site. [14:12] If you look at Farnham, you will see my pin. [14:13] Before I put my details there you could see AlanBell. Now I think I am totally covering his pin. [14:14] TheOpenSourcerer: step 10 yards further away from him and see if it moves :P [14:16] * BigRedS was briefly worried about cred card fraud there [14:17] There also seems to be no direct way to view the blog content from the home page. [14:21] hmm - the M25 is labelled 'Autoroute Britanique M25' on the map. [14:21] Zut alors! [14:22] Quelle Surprise! [14:22] TheOpenSourcerer: categories on the right [14:23] i.e. click news [14:23] Yeah - I know popey, but no single page for all recent blog posts. [14:24] true [14:24] AlanBell: http://www.rivercottage.net/shop/product/bee_keeping/ \o/ [14:24] danfish: Hey, the Boulevard Peripherique is called the Paris Ringroad :-) [14:24] * daubers is very tempted to dust off the credit card [14:28] TheOpenSourcerer: ha - when we were kids we broke down on the Peripherique towing a caravan. My dad started out all English and apologetic, but after 30mins was swearing his head off at the other drivers. One of my fondest memories as a kid ;) [14:29] It's a crazy road really. Too small, too many exits (portes) and just rammed with traffic. [14:30] Oooh shiny new phone... From Viewsonic: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/viewsonic-debuts-v350-smartphone-viewpad-10-pro-tablet/22313 [14:31] AlanBell, Favicon from wiki ubuntu.com and ubuntu-uk.org is a different colour... Not sure if this was intended... :) [14:32] lol, we broke down on there as well danfish [14:32] Great fun isn't it [14:32] the one at ubuntu-uk.org is right isnt it? [14:32] orange [14:32] We never used it again after [14:33] wonder where ours came from [14:33] popey, both are orange, the one from wiki.ubuntu.com is the same colour as the oen we use in the ubuntu-uk local team logo... the one on the site is a lighter orange.. [14:34] popey: Here: http://ubuntu-uk.org/favicon.ico :-) [14:34] TheOpenSourcerer, :) [14:34] which one is more right? [14:34] Sorry - coudn't resist that one. [14:35] diplo: indeedy [14:35] popey, neither is more wrong either... i just happened to have the tabs open with them next to each other.. [14:36] but the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/favicon.ico is the same colour as the on eused in the loco logo... [14:36] * selinuxium same to have a typing disorder... [14:36] * selinuxium same??? seems... need sleep... [14:38] ubuntu.com, wiki. and loco. all use exactly the same file (the md5sum match). so I'd assume that's the right orange [14:38] shauno ? [14:39] the favicon are all identical; except uuk's [14:39] ok [14:40] alan@www:/srv/ubuntu-uk.org/www/wp-content/themes/light-wordpress-theme/images$ diff favicon.ico /home/alan/favicon.ico [14:40] Binary files favicon.ico and /home/alan/favicon.ico differ [14:40] I concur! [14:40] fixed [14:41] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/787918/Screenshot.png [14:41] shauno, OK. Sorry. miss understood :) [14:51] * danfish still can't figure out nested screen sessions :( [14:52] ctrl-a goes one screen down [14:52] then you do the normal shortcut without the ctrl-a and it operates on the inner screen [14:55] thats not what I do [14:56] ctrl+a, a then whatever shortcut gets you the second one [14:56] ctrl+a, a, a then whatever shortcut gets you the third one [14:56] etc [14:57] Why would you want to put a screen within a screen? [14:57] if you're sshing to a machine behind another [14:57] I do it a lot [14:57] ditto [14:57] my laptop doesn't stay up, but the machine I ssh into does [14:57] so I ssh from that into others [14:57] and run screen on them too [14:58] 4 deep is the most I have done i think [15:01] ah - ctrl-a,a etc. Wasn't using enough 'a's. Tx [15:01] NEED MOAR AAAA! [15:01] AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [15:02] popey: you can copy/paste some of mine [15:02] thanks! [15:04] Afternoon everypeople :) [15:05] Kewl - Full 1080p recording coming to a phone near you soon... http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/samsung-releases-8-and-12-megapixel-cmos-smartphone-sensors-sho/ [15:16] * daubers puts on some ELO and tries to focus [15:16] daubers: on ELO? [15:18] MartijnVdS: On why on keeping track of which object is calling what in my code [15:18] daubers: Law of Demeter :) [15:18] MartijnVdS: Indeed [15:19] * MartijnVdS downloads the (legal!) SXSW torrent for '11 [15:19] http://torrentfreak.com/sxsw-2011-on-bittorrent-4-49-gb-of-free-music-110210/ [15:27] sudo doesn't seem to use my path [15:27] dwatkins: that's a feature :) [15:28] * bigcalm would like to kick Drupal squarely in the balls [15:28] dwatkins: should be possible to turn it off in sudoers [15:28] bigcalm: why? [15:28] wee netsplit [15:29] MartijnVdS: ok, maybe not Drupal itself. I'm extending a pre-made theme for a client. The CSS is proving annoying [15:30] bigcalm: CSS always is [15:30] it's why I do backends, not frontends [15:31] I prefer to do backends as well. Or something really fun with JS. [15:31] only if someone else gets to make it cross-browser :) [15:31] JS frameworks FTW! [15:32] AlanBell: ping [15:33] o/ [15:33] * AlanBell reads scrollback and will move farnham pin a bit [15:33] and I am sure there is a url for recent blog posts somewhere [15:34] daubers: are you going bee keeping? [15:35] AlanBell: If I can get the missus' approval.. [15:35] A day beekeeping at River Cottage sounds quite idyllic [15:35] so, how do I know if I get a new laptop (Alienware M11X to be specific), that ubuntu will run things everything like it's supposed to. I remember in the past people complaining that it doesnt run the correct fan speeds on some laptops, and sometimes dont shut down hard drives correctly. I dont want to pay a lot of money on a laptop that I'm just gonna kill, cause I use Ubuntu everyday [15:39] daubers: I was walking in Dorset last year near Bridport - walked round a corner in a quiet valley and tada - there was the original River Cottage [15:39] every time you mention beekeeping I just want to yell out "I'm covered in bees!". just fyi :) [15:40] danfish: Yup, they do events there! [15:40] danfish: I went to the Autumn Fair last year and is was fantastic [15:40] winterweaver: I suppose the only surefire way is to find a vendor, and ask if you can try a live usb [15:41] daubers: excellent. Is that the one just accoss the border in Devon? [15:41] true... i've been stalking the forums, the folks that have one dont seem to be complaining, other than the screen card issues. [15:46] danfish: It's the original river cottage in the valley, but they've got a cafe in axminster [15:47] danfish: Think it's called park farm [15:47] http://ubuntu-uk.org/blog/ [15:48] danfish: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=EX13+8TB&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.530974,34.453125&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Axminster+EX13+8TB,+United+Kingdom&ll=50.750332,-2.989397&spn=0.005919,0.033646&z=15&layer=c&cbll=50.750344,-2.989404&panoid=4lNBlaQIvS9V4bfIhziWdg&cbp=11,193.42,,0,-2.78 <- There [15:48] hi all [15:49] I have nautilus that keeps opening a menu bar on the desktop, I killed the process but it keeps coming up, what could be the problem? [15:50] a plugin in nautilus? [15:52] MartijnVdS, possibly [15:52] what's in the menu that opens? [15:52] which version of Ubuntu? [15:54] MartijnVdS, it's as if nautilus was open in the desktop folder and I get the simple File Edit View Places Help menu [15:55] daubers: I think there have been so many - this was the 1st http://www.panoramio.com/photo/34619835 [15:56] danfish: Ah, possibly [16:03] danfish: They did have the gastro wagon at the Autumn Fair [16:05] czajkowski: pong [16:06] AlanBell: tis ok [16:08] Mubarak has gone! === LjL-Temp` is now known as LjL-Temp [16:09] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest44016 [16:11] 'bout time to [16:11] where's HazRPG, i'm sure he has some insight to share [16:16] hehe [16:33] Nice wonder if this could make an Olympic event for 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12335960 [16:34] DJones: imac bowling? [16:35] MartijnVdS: Speed assembling of a PC [16:35] not as much fun as imac bowling :) [16:53] ♪ [16:53] :( [16:53] Ah ha! [16:53] daubers: ♫ [16:53] Why for does screen not like unicode no more [16:54] ♪ [16:54] daubers: ♫ [16:54] Stupid screen [16:54] ♪: command not found [16:54] ?Y? is not what I asked for [16:54] silly screen [16:55] I see musical notes [16:55] : command not found [16:55] but: [16:55] 17:54 < daubers> ?Y? is not what I asked for [16:56] Hmmm, byobu doesn't start with unicode enabled by default [16:56] fial [16:57] it doesnt? [16:57] ♪ WEEEEEEE [16:57] popey: Doesn't seem to on my vps [16:57] Had to create a new session to make it do so [16:57] Что? [16:57] Thats 10.04 [16:57] Does seem to in 10.10 though [16:58] byobu version 2.68 compared too 3.5 in 10.10 [16:59] my brain wants to play minecraft, but the body is too lazy to follow instructions on how to move in it === Guest44016 is now known as LjL-Temp [17:00] Myrtti: make a paper piggie :) === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest26742 [17:00] and then hit it to get ham? [17:00] http://yfrog.com/hsxkxhxj [17:01] it is indeed a paper pig [17:02] Was fun to make :) [17:08] bigcalm: my sisters printer is out of red ink and I've got only a bw laser at my apartment [17:08] Boo :( [17:08] I actually am considering going to bed [17:08] solution: colour laser [17:09] what would I do with a colour laser [17:09] print pigs. [17:09] I barely use my black and white [17:09] hth. hand. [17:09] i might make some this weekend [17:09] main purpose is to copy crossword puzzles to my mum and printing out ryanair boarding passes [17:09] I don't need colour laser for that [17:10] and scan sick leave certificates and such to HR [17:11] sudo fetch me an iskender döner plz [17:12] http://popey.com/minecraft/papercraft/ [17:12] need to do that this weekend [17:13] hi all. can anyone tell me what software i can use to create a mp3 cd for my car? [17:14] brasero? it's built in? [17:14] jonsaint, an mp3 cd is just a data disc filled with mp3 files. you don't need to do anything fancy [17:14] tried it. it will burn normal cd's [17:14] oh, mp3 cd [17:14] Black CD in your drive, drag files to it, finalise, put cd in car :) [17:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLPa4Fsh4ak is the answer [17:15] Azelphur: bit mean :) [17:16] wasn't meant to be mean, just funny :p [17:16] cheers folks il try that [17:51] graze.com do not seem to understand, they started providing me with chocolate, i came to depend on them for chocolate and now they send a box that has zero chocolate in it at all? this shall not stand. === Mattb90_ is now known as Mattb90 === mfraz74_ is now known as mfraz74 [17:57] gord: it's for your own good. Eat an olive instead. [17:58] their website makes it look like little packages of rabbit food. is it usually a bit more appealing? [18:00] * daubers goes home [18:00] silly question, 800MHz would be adequate for a (home) firewall? === Guest26742 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest80098 [18:01] shauno, there are a lot of things that look like rabbit food yes, if you don't like nuts, sunflower seeds and rasins, i wouldn't bother [18:02] just wasn't expecting to hear of chocolate based on what I'd seen :) [18:03] well you get chocolate coated things sometimes, but its still nuts, sunflower seeds and raisins ;) [18:03] and olives, lots of olives :( [18:03] i banished olives from my boxes [18:04] good move - in reality if I banished everything I don't like, I'd be left with only those korean rice crackers and flapjacks [18:13] danfish: meal of kings [18:23] MartijnVdS: true [18:23] argh [18:23] * MartijnVdS files another bug [18:23] I've disabled menus in gnome-terminal [18:24] but EVERY TIME I switch windows, it shows up === Seeker is now known as Seeker` [18:28] Dear jabber.org, stop falling over, kthxbye, [18:28] \o/ gtalk [18:59] noswaith dda everyone. === Guest80098 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest34505 [19:30] * jacobw is stuck in screen [19:30] jacobw: ctrl+a k [19:30] Friday night = pub night. Ta Da all. :-D [19:30] ta MartijnVdS [19:31] ah, I should rephrase, I'm stuck in irssi in screen [19:31] jacobw: aren't we all :P [19:31] irssi is eating the escape sequences [19:31] hehe [19:31] * MartijnVdS changed the escape to Ctrl+X === cbx333 is now known as cbx33 [19:45] annoying, how can my dad not know how to cook couscous, :( [19:47] isn't it printed on the packet? :) [19:47] yes, it is. [19:47] he didnt look. [19:47] brobostigon: what did he try to do? [19:48] bigcalm: he failled to consider the fact to seal it,while steaming, and to add flavoring to infuse it. [19:49] At least it wont take long to make some more :) [19:49] bigcalm: very true, yes. :) === Guest34505 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest44956 [20:29] one of my mates is showing me the minecraft server she uses and someone built a giant carrot on it. very odd. [20:30] giant carrots are always fun. [20:30] * brobostigon goes to watch QI [20:30] it's an old one [20:30] MartijnVdS: dont matter, it the only thing on. [20:30] brobostigon: rachmaninoff doc on 4 [20:30] bbc4* [20:31] MartijnVdS: umm, interesting. [20:39] cool, i just noticed in gwibber that brian cox uses android. [20:40] brobostigon: you follow him as well? :) [20:40] brobostigon: you might like these people: http://twitter.com/#!/periodicvideos [20:40] MartijnVdS: yeah, :), i have a majoy physics interest, [20:41] brobostigon: well.. you'll love periodicvideos, 60symbols and other channels from the Uni of Nottingham :) [20:41] MartijnVdS: :) === Guest44956 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest12892 [21:05] If Windows 7 was my idea, I think I'd kill myself. [21:05] me too [21:05] lol [21:06] satire, :) [21:06] I wish Windows 7 was my idea, I could have crippled it...oh wait... [21:06] :) [21:06] i've got nothing agains windows 7 === denny- is now known as denny [21:13] hustle is also pretty good, [21:15] Hello all [21:16] noswaith dda warddr [21:16] Do you have by any chance a page explaining how to use the live-cd? Something I can print for if I give someone a live-cd? [21:17] brobostigon, I don't think I understand what you're telling me [21:17] warddr: "Put it in the CD drive" [21:18] xD [21:18] warddr: good evening, in welsh. :) [21:18] tell bios to boot of cd. [21:18] Oh, hello :D I'm from belgium, just here to ask about the paper [21:19] warddr: MartijnVdS is a fellow country then. [21:19] hi warddr [21:19] country man* [21:19] * AlanBell hands brobostigon a map [21:20] doh [21:20] We've got a page in Dutch and French explaining some first steps and where to find help, I thought maybe you had one as well. My engish teacher is interested in ubuntu, and I prefere to give him an english version [21:20] thanks AlanBell :( [21:23] warddr: http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/en/get-materials/packaging [21:23] stuff there might be of interest for putting with a CD [21:24] however I can see a first steps article would be a handy thing and I don't know where one is [21:24] AlanBell, I'll translate ours in English, I can send it to you if you like [21:25] I can read French [21:25] i think a few of us might be interested, inreading it. [21:26] This is the frensh version for who speaks frensh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntu-cd-flyer-A4-FR-BE.odt [21:26] Merci [21:26] * brobostigon admits defeat. [21:26] Alan Cocks has some flyers he hands out, not sure where the online version is [21:27] But I'll try to translate the dutch version to English [21:27] * brobostigon gets warddr a leffe. [21:28] nice document warddr [21:29] No credits to me for that [21:29] but indeed a nice document [21:37] Pendulum: like the video :D [21:38] so cute! [21:39] Pendulum: aye such a tear jerker [21:39] I can't believe they're 5! [21:40] neither can I [21:40] seeing as they nearly didnt live, and she had to resuscitate cillian after a few days. [21:40] yeah [21:40] been a rough but entertaining few years [21:41] heh [21:44] not been able to get the song out of my head today [21:45] Pendulum: I watched the video, and they look like fabulous kids who obviously adore each other. If twin births were more common I think we'd be much better off as a society. Best luck for the next 5 years. [21:46] moreati: they're not my kids [21:46] moreati: they my mates. [21:46] she lives in canada now [21:46] fyi for others : weapy video but sooo cute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tMsb8QeDCY&feature [21:46] Pendulum: czajkowski apologies, I misunderstood [21:46] np [21:47] moreati: not a problem :) [21:52] aloha ahiahi === Guest12892 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest4016 === Guest4016 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest73761