[00:31] <andylockran> oh my gosh
[00:31] <andylockran> if there's one reason to learn asterisk properly it's that support for other approaches is severely lacking.
[00:38] <andylockran> and I hate flame wars :(
[01:00] <andylockran> any recommendations for a router with a decent range
[01:01] <andylockran> & good at going through old walls :p
[01:02] <andylockran> -80 dBm for both wireless APs in the house at the moment, one is downstairs in the conservatory and the next is on the 1st floor in the study - but signal where I am is terrible.  We've got the HomePlugs - but ideally want wireless for all our handheld devices (ipad, ipod, android .etc)
[01:03] <HazRPG> I just thought - based on the website for #ubuntu-uk, I'm the only one in the north of england
[01:04] <andylockran> if someone could ping me a reply tomorrow that'd be very useful - thanks!
[01:05] <shauno> aww, the uuk site has (very) mild breakage on mine :(
[01:06] <HazRPG> shauno: really?
[01:06] <HazRPG> like where?
[01:06] <shauno> 'loco directory' doesn't fit in it's box in the header menu, because I've got an enforced minimum font size
[01:07] <shauno> I did say very mild ;)
[01:07] <HazRPG> andylockran: btw dude, just get yourself a bigger antenna for your existing router - you'd be surprised how much wonders that will do ya
[01:08] <shauno> (I'm not exactly blind, but my screen has a silly native resolution; I have to bump the fonts to be able to read)
[01:09] <HazRPG> shauno: ouch, what resolution are you pumping out of your screen?
[01:09] <shauno> 1600x1200
[01:09] <shauno> in what I believe is 19", possibly 21
[01:10] <HazRPG> why not just use  1280x1024 ?
[01:10] <shauno> because then icons are face-sized
[01:10] <andylockran> HazRPG: where do you get them from ?
[01:10] <HazRPG> andylockran: I usually buy off ebay
[01:11] <HazRPG> shauno: face-sized? Really... how :S?
[01:11] <HazRPG> my friend has a 19" or so monitor and he runs in 1280x1024 just fine
[01:11] <andylockran> http://www.belkin.com/support/article/?lid=en&pid=f5d8231-4&aid=5927&scid=221 that's what I've got at the moment...
[01:11] <shauno> I like the UI to be as skinny as possible; leave the space for things I'm actually using.
[01:12] <shauno> and since OSX doesn't let me install themes that are a bit more trimmed down (or, themes at all), I just run the monitor native
[01:12] <HazRPG> andylockran: quick question, can you unscrew the antennas out of your router?
[01:12] <shauno> oh good lord, it's 17"
[01:13] <HazRPG> shauno: I have 2x17" monitors - I actually took the tape measure out and checked xD
[01:13] <shauno> I just had to google the part number
[01:14] <shauno> 17", 1600 x 1200 at 75 Hz .. so yeah I don't let web pages use 12px fonts ;)
[01:15] <HazRPG> shauno: I got my monitors from my old college for £10 a piece - so I'm not sure what monitors they are other than DELL that's written on the front - but hey I have a tape measure next to my computer at all times - always comes in handy
[01:15] <andylockran> HazRPG: I'll run and check...
[01:15] <HazRPG> wow 1600x1200 native for a 17" monitor seems insane!
[01:15] <HazRPG> andylockran: cool
[01:15] <shauno> it's a fantastic monitor.  I'll be sad when it dies.
[01:16] <shauno> crt & weighs more than I do.  but it'll sync down far enough to run my amiga on it
[01:16] <HazRPG> andylockran: the antenna end should look somewhat like this - http://www.more-shop.co.uk/images/medium/DWL-50AT_MED.png
[01:16] <HazRPG> andylockran: that's assuming its not physically attached, if it is - then you can't simply replace it
[01:17] <HazRPG> andylockran: but if you can, you can just get yourself a longer antenna, with an extension cord so that you can move it to a more appropriate place
[01:18] <andylockran> HazRPG: thanks for the tip
[01:18] <HazRPG> shauno: haha, yeah I think I've got a CRT that supports that sort of resolution too :P
[01:18] <andylockran> my little bro is asleep in the same room as the router so can't check now.
[01:18] <andylockran> will do so tomorrow morning.
[01:19] <HazRPG> andylockran: this is the one I got I think: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10-dBi-Wireless-WIFI-Booster-Antenna-WLAN-RP-SMA-Stand-/320644926871?pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item4aa7ed4d97#ht_2655wt_1139
[01:19] <HazRPG> it looks similar
[01:20] <andylockran> cheers dude, will have a look tomorrow
[01:21] <andylockran> night all1
[01:21] <andylockran> that's the kind of answers I like.  friendly and to the point.  love #ubuntu-uk :)
[01:21] <HazRPG> :P
[01:22] <HazRPG> andylockran: since yours has 3 ports, you could always just get three of those I linked you to (they're cheap enough) and don't need to use the extension cord it comes with - but you can be a better judge on that one obviously
[01:23] <HazRPG> andylockran: also, night, hope you can get some better results with the bigger antennas
[01:25] <HazRPG> andylockran: btw, if your still about - I was just quickly looking through the manuals off the website, and it seems you should be able to replace those antennas :) - glhf (good luck, have fun)
[01:26] <HazRPG> shauno: still shocked you use it at full native resolution - I would have knocked it down a few
[01:27] <HazRPG> shauno: surely you should be able to customize your OSX a little bit...
[01:27] <shauno> you'd be surprised
[01:27] <HazRPG> shauno: I mean, the dock can be hidden until mouse is at the bottom can't it?
[01:27] <shauno> oh, yeah I have that hidden
[01:28] <HazRPG> oh, what's the issue with screen real estate?
[01:29] <HazRPG> thought it would have been just the dock that was in the way
[01:29] <shauno> I just don't like the UI being so bulky.  toolbars, tab bars, everything
[01:29] <HazRPG> since all windows use a global menu bar at the top doesn't it?
[01:29] <shauno> I'm still cheesed I can't turn the tab bar off in this irc client.  but I managed to edit everything else out of it
[01:30] <HazRPG> shauno: what client you using?
[01:30] <shauno> it's called 'colloquy'.  not fantastic, but the easiest to abuse I've found yet
[01:31] <HazRPG> oh, heh I think I know the one you mean
[01:31] <HazRPG> abuse how?
[01:31] <shauno> it has a menu entry to hide the tab bar.  it hasn't done anything for 3+ years now
[01:31] <shauno> silly little things like it has a bar at the top of the screen that shows you the topic.  constantly.
[01:31] <shauno> that's gone :)
[01:38] <HazRPG> shauno: what version of OSX are you using?
[01:38] <shauno> current, I believe
[01:38] <shauno> yup, 10.6.6
[01:47] <HazRPG> shauno: http://themechanger.sourceforge.net/
[01:48] <shauno> yeah, I used to use something similar.  gave up on them because it kept breaking OS updates
[01:48] <HazRPG> ah
[01:49] <HazRPG> just out of interest, why OSX?
[01:51] <HazRPG> tempted to order indian take-away food
[01:52] <shauno> eh, long story.  basically I wasn't happy with gnome was, or where it was going
[01:53] <shauno> and frankly, stuff like having to rebuild nvidia drivers every time there's a kernel update is for the birds
[01:55] <shauno> I used linux exclusively from slack 3.3 ('96, maybe '97) until apple went intel.  then defected.
[01:56] <HazRPG> shauno: woah, rebuilding drivers? Seriously?
[01:56] <HazRPG> I can't say I've ever had that issue
[01:57] <HazRPG> although saying that only been using linux since 2005
[01:57] <HazRPG> I couldn't sit and download distros on a 16.5Kbps connection in saudi :/
[01:58] <HazRPG> that and sites like sourceforge, etc were blocked because of various software that was on it
[01:58] <HazRPG> that the government didn't approve of
[01:58] <HazRPG> so they just blocked the whole site
[01:59] <shauno> I got my first few from a friend with a uni account.  then they started cropping up in books & on magazine covers
[01:59] <HazRPG> not in saudi :P
[01:59] <HazRPG> we had a few Mac based mags, but mainly windows based ones
[02:00] <shauno> eventually I ended up mail ordering them because debian was silly-sized  (I think it was 3 disks for potato and 7 for woody)
[02:00] <HazRPG> was rare to hear the world "linux" over there - except Unix - that was a popular word
[02:00] <HazRPG> seems a few servers out there still run on Unix
[02:01] <HazRPG> shauno: really debian was that big back then?
[02:01] <shauno> they do; mostly systems people are terrified to break
[02:01] <HazRPG> I know red hat was like 5-6 discs at one point
[02:01] <HazRPG> we learned how to install it at college lol
[02:02] <HazRPG> I was shocked to hear my dad said the current project over there is to get the systems from Unix over to Oracle for their databases
[02:02] <HazRPG> which seems odd as a sentence
[02:03] <HazRPG> but he's not tech-savvy when it comes to O/S
[02:03] <HazRPG> he can tell you what hardware he has - and what's good/bad, but operating systems - he still thinkings windows XP is the future lol
[02:04] <HazRPG> I told dad, that for what he uses his computer for - ubuntu or similar would actually be better for him
[02:04] <HazRPG> but like I said, hard to get copies of such things over there - plus would be better if I actually installed it for him myself (one day)
[02:04] <shauno> hm, they don't seem to have anything that old on cdimage.debian.org, but I'm pretty sure it was 3 for potato and 7 for woody (just for binaries)
[02:05] <shauno> you didn't need all of them, but if you're going to mail order them, it doesn't hurt :)
[02:05] <HazRPG> oh I don't doubt that dude :P
[02:05] <HazRPG> I remember red hat was a beast of storage at one point
[02:05] <shauno> I only ever had redhat on a one-disk install (5.2)
[02:06] <HazRPG> really?
[02:06] <HazRPG> I recall having it on 5-6 at college
[02:06] <shauno> that was one that came with a book; no idea what it looked like retail
[02:06] <HazRPG> again that was roughly 2004 ish
[02:06] <shauno> I think this woulda been around 99/2000
[02:07] <HazRPG> Red Hat before it became Fedora for the free version use to take up a whole dvd or more
[02:08] <HazRPG> Fedora still does if I recall :/
[02:08] <shauno> heh, pretty much everything does.  imagine if ubuntu put the entire repo in the images :)
[02:10] <shauno> hm, seems mirror.ac.uk is gone.  that used to be the easiest way I knew to see how big repos actually were
[02:10] <shauno> altho they symlink everything to /pool/ now, so not sure that'd work
[02:11] <shauno> still use ubuntu mind.  not on my 'main machine', but on pretty much everything else I can get my hands on
[02:15] <shauno> still bummed they stole jdub tho.  I miss garnome :)
[02:24] <shauno> 2.30 and I work in the morning.  think I'll leave it there.  night HazRPG
[07:46] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:48] <AlanBell> morning
[07:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning.
[07:55] <nigelb> morning
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> hah, it's 11-02-2011  today
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> palindrome date
[08:04] <ball> :-)
[08:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Excuse me while I go and throw up. http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/02/11/open-letter-from-ceo-stephen-elop-nokia-and-ceo-steve-ballmer-microsoft/ Don't watch the 39s video!
[08:12] <AlanBell> "There are other mobile ecosystems. We will disrupt them." business as usual then
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> "The 39s video" made me think of Queen 8-)
[08:17] <DJones> Morning all
[08:27] <DJones> Queen o/
[08:27] <dwatkins> Does he shout about developers?
[08:37] <daubers> Morning
[08:38] <automatical> mornin' all
[08:39]  * daubers mucks around with inotify
[08:45] <hoover> mornin all
[08:49] <ball> I'm really enjoying the Xubuntu machines I've been using lately
[09:00]  * BigRedS demands a strong coffee
[09:01] <MooDoo> morning
[09:01] <MooDoo> BigRedS: strong coffee with a espresso chaser :)
[09:01] <BigRedS> MooDoo: That sort of thing :)
[09:01]  * BigRedS gets a strong coffee
[09:01] <BigRedS> awesome!
[09:35] <danfish> a hoy hoy!
[09:36] <bigcalm> Hulloooo
[09:36] <popey> A hoy hoy!
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> howdy
[09:37] <bigcalm> Hi kids :)
[09:37] <popey> Hi dad!
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> dadbuntu?
[09:39] <bigcalm> Doesn't have the same ring to it
[09:42] <ZMo> Hi
[09:45] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone!
[09:45] <directhex> rip nokia
[09:46] <JamesTait> directhex: Indeed.
[09:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> moar coffee.
[09:51] <s-fox> Hello.
[09:53] <AlanBell> o/ s-fox
[09:54]  * popey does the wiki pages for last nights meeting
[09:54] <popey> bum
[09:54] <popey> need to fix mootbot.ubuntu-uk.org
[09:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> that would be night's meeting popey </dutchie="false">
[09:56] <popey> fixed
[09:56] <popey> :D
[09:57] <MooDoo> s-fox: morning
[09:57]  * popey hugs mootbot
[09:59] <s-fox> Hello AlanBell  :)
[09:59] <s-fox> Hi MooDoo :)
[09:59]  * MooDoo read mootbot as moodoo at a quick glance and got worried
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: you're a bot?!
[09:59] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: Unable to compute
[10:00] <MooDoo> ** WARNING ** Will Robinson
[10:01] <dwatkins> Danger, Will Robinson!
[10:01] <dwatkins> I wonder why we need to be afraid of him... it's not like we're lost in space or anything...
[10:01] <DaveMorris> So whats likely to happen to Qt now MS are teaming up with Nokia and providing development tools.  Are Nokia likely to drop it?
[10:02] <MooDoo> dwatkins: indeed your correct it's Danger lol
[10:04] <Knightwise> morning everyone
[10:04] <MooDoo> morning Knightwise
[10:05] <AlanBell> DaveMorris: it is LGPL so the code is safe
[10:05] <DaveMorris> yeah I know the code is, I was just under the impression that Nokia employed quite a few Qt devs
[10:05] <danfish> DaveMorris: but development of it at Nokian will probably stop
[10:06] <danfish> Nokia even
[10:06] <AlanBell> Surrey lug is at Nokia tomorrow
[10:06] <danfish> maybe libreQt will be born....
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> danfish: they'll need a new name probably? (trademarks)
[10:12] <Knightwise> i'm trying to revive an G3 imac here
[10:12] <Knightwise> got 10.10 server installed
[10:12] <Knightwise> whats the best gui ? Openbox ?
[10:12] <Knightwise> do i just do sudo apt-get install xorg openbox ? or do i need more ?
[10:13] <dutchie> surely openbox will depend on sufficient stuff to work
[10:13] <DJones> Knightwise: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox
[10:13] <Knightwise> yeah , but when i just do an apt-get install openbox .. it doesnt work
[10:14] <DJones> sudo aptitude install openbox obconf
[10:14] <Knightwise> thanx :) i'll give that a try
[10:14] <Knightwise> so no Xorg ?
[10:14] <DJones> Not according the help.ubuntu.com link
[10:15] <Knightwise> ok ;:) thanx
[10:17] <danfish> MartijnVdS: LibreCute?
[10:23] <DJones> Interesting, after Nokia & MS link up, is this a sign that RIM & Google are getting together http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/11/rim_putting_android_apps_on_playbook_tablet/
[10:24] <DJones> I guess its one of boosting the number of apps available
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> RIM *shudder*
[10:27] <popey> Well, that's the end of me ever buying a Nokia phone.
[10:27] <popey> I used to _only_ buy Nokias
[10:27] <dwatkins> popey: not all Nokia phones run WP7
[10:27] <popey> what else will their smartphones run?
[10:27] <dwatkins> I also used to only get Nokias, but that was before the invention of the smartphone.
[10:27] <dwatkins> Meego, I gather
[10:27] <popey> hahahahaha
[10:27] <popey> yeah, right
[10:28] <popey> come back in a year and show me all those handsets.. in one hand
[10:30] <andylockran> howdy
[10:30] <Laney> "MeeGo will place increased emphasis on longer-term market exploration of next-generation devices."
[10:32] <popey> like.. the n900?
[10:32] <popey> (as an example of Nokia exploring next-gen devices)
[10:32] <DJones> Laney: That sounds like they're saying that they have no current plans to do anything with MeeGo
[10:32] <popey> (and an example of my assertion that there is only one of them)
[10:32] <AlanBell> "we are going to sit on MeeGo for a few years until it just goes away"
[10:33] <DJones> AlanBell: That summarises what was going through my mind
[10:33] <AlanBell> "we are not going to let MeeGo go because it might compete with us"
[10:34] <danfish> it's kind of ironic that Nokia and Linus originate from the same country
[10:37] <daubers> Meh, I still want a nexus s to just play with NFC things
[10:37] <Knightwise> nope ,dont think xorg still supports the videocard in the G3
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> daubers: are there NFC things other than that phone?
[10:38] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Apparently (according to some people I've spoken too at various chip firms) NFC is massivley popular in the far east
[10:38] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Some companies are trying to retrofit handsets to have NFC chips in
[10:40] <daubers> I just want to NFC enable the company stand at trade shows :)
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> daubers: "we in the west" use qr codes ;)
[10:50] <AlanBell> I have NFC what NFC is
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: near field comms.. "Active rfid"
[10:51] <MooDoo> that's the one
[10:51] <MooDoo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication
[10:54] <daubers> MartijnVdS: NFC is _much_ cooler
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> daubers: it can read your bank details?
[10:55] <selinuxium> Hi all, just a quick pimp... Friend Ebaying an original eeePC. £60 including car charger and 8GB SD card... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200574804592&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
[10:55] <daubers> MartijnVdS: You'd need an app from your bank to do that
[10:56] <daubers> I'm relativley certain the bump comms in the new palm devices will be NFC powered... but have no proof of that yet
[10:59] <danfish> hah - a good take on the nokia story from the newshump
[10:59] <danfish> http://newsthump.com/2011/02/11/phones-no-one-uses-to-run-operating-system-no-one-likes/
[10:59] <popey> haha
[11:06] <davmor2> morning all
[11:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hah - http://twitpic.com/3ylh2v
[11:08]  * daubers needs foods
[11:10] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: Didn't take long :)
[11:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope.
[11:10] <s-fox> I think Microsoft should use the product red colour instead of blue ;)
[11:11] <directhex> nokia, i am disappoint
[11:13] <dwatkins> vmware has pink screens of death
[11:13] <directhex> xboxes have red rings of dearh
[11:13] <directhex> death
[11:13] <nigelb> TheOpenSourcerer: good one
[11:13] <dwatkins> yeah, I have two of those, directhex
[11:13] <nigelb> I loved yesterday's Dilbert though.  Anyone saw that?
[11:29]  * BigRedS just had a support ticket asking him to fix IE
[11:30] <selinuxium> BigRedS, That will be where that Big 'S' will be needed... :)
[11:30]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski with a wake you sciving git stick
[11:31] <BigRedS> Haha
[11:32] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: I wonder if Nokia will do the sensible thing and have one button called "Any"
[11:33] <moreati> Think I've found Nokia's inspiration for their new strategy http://search.dilbert.com/search?p=R&srid=S3%2d2&lbc=dilbert&w=random&url=http%3a%2f%2fdilbert%2ecom%2fstrips%2fcomic%2f1996%2d09%2d13%2f&rk=47&uid=763453366&sid=2&ts=custom&rsc=jcrs::IVciqj0rxv&method=and&isort=date&view=list&filter=type%3acomic
[11:35] <AlanBell> moreati: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzZ86GYoxE0
[11:35] <bigcalm> Did he go back and re-colour all of the old strips?
[11:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: they were always in colour you just need to enable the colour this strip option?  You mean you never did?
[11:37] <bigcalm> o.O
[11:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: :D
[11:37]  * bigcalm kippers davmor2
[11:43] <MooDoo> smoke me a kipper, i'll be home for breakfast
[11:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: Hello
[11:45] <MooDoo> davmor2: good morning sir!
[11:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: how are you this fine friday?
[11:49] <davmor2> MooDoo: Glad it's Friday :)  You?
[11:50] <MooDoo> davmor2: same, it's been a hard week
[11:53] <knightwise> hey guyz
[11:53] <MooDoo> hey
[11:54] <knightwise> anybody know a good command line / ascii interface (like the dos menu's we had in the old days' for an old G3 system ?
[11:54] <knightwise> my attempts of getting a GUI on it have failed horribly :)
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: byobu :)
[11:55] <MooDoo> knightwise: have a look at ion2/3 it's a command line windows manager....not sure if it's available any more though
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: mc ?
[11:55] <knightwise> got those
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: write something using "dialog"?
[11:55] <knightwise> perhaps i'll try that
[11:55]  * BigRedS assumes 'G3' doesn't refer to a PPC mac
[11:56]  * MartijnVdS is afraid it does
[11:56] <knightwise> Oh yes it does
[11:56] <knightwise> its kinda cute though
[11:56] <BigRedS> Yeah, I have a few of those :)
[11:56] <dwatkins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook
[11:57] <dwatkins> I guess it's not on that list, though
[11:57] <knightwise> erm .. check out www.knightwise.com to see what i do with Ubuntu and macbooks
[11:58] <knightwise> i think i need to make some adjustments to to xorg.conf to set the resolution right
[11:58] <knightwise> however in 10.10 there is no xorg.conf anymore
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: omg, YOU are sure_ill_draw_that?! :P
[11:59] <knightwise> MartijnVdS:  ?
[11:59] <knightwise> lol :) naah
[11:59] <knightwise> i'm not that geeky
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: http://www.reddit.com/user/Sure_Ill_Draw_That
[12:00] <dwatkins> knightwise: neat, I was hoping grub would work
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: he has the same glasses as you :)
[12:00] <knightwise> be back later , have some work to do for the skunkworks :
[12:00] <knightwise> lol
[12:00] <knightwise> dwatkins: the dual boot was fairly easy to do , i'll never use that other bootloader that they recommend for dual booting macs and stuff
[12:01] <knightwise> (forgot the name but mentioned it in the podcast)
[12:20] <MooDoo> woohoo apparently it's hug a tall person day, send me your hugs :D
[12:36] <nigelb> MooDoo: how tall are you? ;)
[12:37] <MooDoo> nigelb: 6'6
[12:38] <MooDoo> nigelb: i believe that counts :p
[12:38] <MooDoo> lol
[12:39] <X3N> bit akward for me, it's always like, Hello, I'm now hugging your waste line, akward..
[12:39] <MooDoo> lol
[12:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: My morning prod failed then
[12:48] <gord_> i kinda want to mark the fact that thunderbird has "Compose messages in HTML format" enabled by default as a bug... y'know, for the greater good
[12:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: prod harder
[12:52] <davmor2> gord_: do it
[12:53] <davmor2> gord_: in fact do it and mark it as a security risk :D
[13:10] <danfish> haha - comment of the day IMO regarding Nokia etc
[13:10] <danfish> I would say that iOS is a precious beauty queen, and Android is an Olympic athlete, WM7 is a tired old man in drag.
[13:10] <danfish> ^^ from comments on BBC website http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2011/02/is_the_nokiamicrosoft_horse_a.html
[13:11] <AlanBell> can libreoffice be installed side by side with openoffice.org on 10.04?
[13:14] <BigRedS> AlanBell: I've heard claims that people have done it
[13:16] <DJones> AlanBell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice Please note OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice don't coexist. Install LibreOffice following these instructions will effectively remove OpenOffice.org.
[13:16] <danfish> AlanBell: the computer says no here - mutters about unstable distribution
[13:16] <AlanBell> ok, thanks
[13:16] <AlanBell> makes things more interesting
[13:17] <AlanBell> Alfresco on one machine, libreoffice headless on another
[13:17] <czajkowski> Aloha
[13:18] <popey> moo
[13:20] <daubers> popey: Don't do that or you may get farmed for leather
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> daubers: or milk
[13:21] <popey> hah
[13:25] <czajkowski> ya happy friday :D
[13:25] <czajkowski> well it was till I got a call to do work on my day off
[13:25] <czajkowski> remind me next time someone to turn off phone
[13:27]  * Pendulum hugs czajkowski 
[13:27] <czajkowski> *sigh*
[13:27] <czajkowski> I did explain I was on annual leave but the person was rather adamant stuff be changed today.
[13:28] <bigcalm> Nobody else able to do stuff?
[13:29] <czajkowski> nope not in this case
[13:29] <czajkowski> annoying
[13:29] <popey> welcome to working in the UK
[13:30] <jpds> woking?
[13:30] <bigcalm> Welcome to Woking station
[13:30] <czajkowski> Pendulum: I suggest have a box of tissues to hand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tMsb8QeDCY
[13:34] <popey> I will be in Woking tomorrow
[13:35] <bigcalm> Poop
[13:36] <popey> Going to see Jimmy Carr
[13:37] <bigcalm> Oh, Woking, not working
[13:37] <bigcalm> :)
[13:37] <popey> :D
[13:37] <bigcalm> Hayley and I saw Jimmy in Wolverhampton. Great fun
[13:37] <popey> excellent
[13:38] <popey> going out for food / booze before too
[13:41] <czajkowski> Pendulum: twins are 5 :D
[13:42] <czajkowski> popey: sounds like a good night planned
[13:43] <popey> yeah :)
[13:43] <popey> also, we have a possible venue for oggcamp :D
[13:44] <bigcalm> Woot
[13:44] <czajkowski> ohh
[13:51]  * BigRedS intends to get to oggcamp this year
[13:51] <BigRedS> again
[13:52] <bigcalm> Better set a date for oggcamp11 soon. This year is filling up already
[13:52] <mungojerry> popey are u allowed to say the possible  venue?
[13:52] <popey> I'd rather not yet.
[13:52] <popey> not booked
[13:52]  * mungojerry hoping for london
[13:52] <popey> not london :)
[13:53] <bigcalm> Phew
[13:53] <mungojerry> boo :(
[13:53] <bigcalm> Few would be able to afford the over night stay
[13:53] <mungojerry> outside term time, some uni's offer good accomodation, and obviously a good venue too
[13:54] <mungojerry> popey, near london? :P
[13:54] <mungojerry> south east perchance?
[13:55] <popey> well, I live in Farnborough :)
[13:56] <hamitron> roundabouts?
[13:56] <mungojerry> redhats :P
[13:56] <czajkowski> redhat is too small
[13:56] <hamitron> I am obviously stupid and don't understand... ;/
[13:59]  * mungojerry thinks he's probably not gonna get much more out of popey for the time being
[14:00] <gord_> oggcamp at popey's house \o/
[14:00] <gord_> why do i have a tail today?
[14:00] <popey> Is it a tail or a no-tail?
[14:00] <popey> C'mon tubbs!
[14:05] <hamitron> anyone else here got tdu2?
[14:05] <mungojerry> btw when does the uupc podcast come back again?
[14:05] <popey> "soon"
[14:06] <mungojerry> surviving on the LAS show for now, but bryan & chris keep having babies
[14:06] <popey> hah
[14:06] <popey> thats a miracle of science
[14:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think there is a teensy weensy bug with the map on the new Loco site.
[14:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> If you look at Farnham, you will see my pin.
[14:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Before I put my details there you could see AlanBell. Now I think I am totally covering his pin.
[14:14] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: step 10 yards further away from him and see if it moves :P
[14:16]  * BigRedS was briefly worried about cred card fraud there
[14:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> There also seems to be no direct way to view the blog content from the home page.
[14:21] <danfish> hmm - the M25 is labelled 'Autoroute Britanique M25' on the map.
[14:21] <danfish> Zut alors!
[14:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Quelle Surprise!
[14:22] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: categories on the right
[14:23] <popey> i.e. click news
[14:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - I know popey, but no single page for all recent blog posts.
[14:24] <popey> true
[14:24] <daubers> AlanBell: http://www.rivercottage.net/shop/product/bee_keeping/ \o/
[14:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> danfish: Hey, the Boulevard Peripherique is called the Paris Ringroad :-)
[14:24]  * daubers is very tempted to dust off the credit card
[14:28] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: ha - when we were kids we broke down on the Peripherique towing a caravan. My dad started out all English and apologetic, but after 30mins was swearing his head off at the other drivers. One of my fondest memories as a kid ;)
[14:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a crazy road really. Too small, too many exits (portes) and just rammed with traffic.
[14:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh shiny new phone... From Viewsonic: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/viewsonic-debuts-v350-smartphone-viewpad-10-pro-tablet/22313
[14:31] <selinuxium> AlanBell, Favicon from wiki ubuntu.com and ubuntu-uk.org is a different colour... Not sure if this was intended... :)
[14:32] <diplo> lol, we broke down on there as well danfish
[14:32] <diplo> Great fun isn't it
[14:32] <popey> the one at ubuntu-uk.org is right isnt it?
[14:32] <popey> orange
[14:32] <diplo> We never used it again after
[14:33] <popey> wonder where ours came from
[14:33] <selinuxium> popey, both are orange, the one from wiki.ubuntu.com is the same colour as the oen we use in the ubuntu-uk local team logo... the one on the site is a lighter orange..
[14:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Here: http://ubuntu-uk.org/favicon.ico :-)
[14:34] <selinuxium> TheOpenSourcerer, :)
[14:34] <popey> which one is more right?
[14:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sorry - coudn't resist that one.
[14:35] <danfish> diplo: indeedy
[14:35] <selinuxium> popey, neither is more wrong either... i just happened to have the tabs open with them next to each other..
[14:36] <selinuxium> but the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/favicon.ico is the same colour as the on eused in the loco logo...
[14:36]  * selinuxium same to have a typing disorder... 
[14:36]  * selinuxium same??? seems... need sleep...
[14:38] <shauno> ubuntu.com, wiki. and loco. all use exactly the same file (the md5sum match).  so I'd assume that's the right orange
[14:38] <selinuxium> shauno ?
[14:39] <shauno> the favicon are all identical; except uuk's
[14:39] <popey> ok
[14:40] <popey> alan@www:/srv/ubuntu-uk.org/www/wp-content/themes/light-wordpress-theme/images$ diff favicon.ico /home/alan/favicon.ico
[14:40] <popey> Binary files favicon.ico and /home/alan/favicon.ico differ
[14:40] <popey> I concur!
[14:40] <popey> fixed
[14:41] <selinuxium> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/787918/Screenshot.png
[14:41] <selinuxium> shauno, OK. Sorry. miss understood :)
[14:51]  * danfish still can't figure out nested screen sessions :(
[14:52] <Laney> ctrl-a goes one screen down
[14:52] <Laney> then you do the normal shortcut without the ctrl-a and it operates on the inner screen
[14:55] <popey> thats not what I do
[14:56] <popey> ctrl+a, a then whatever shortcut gets you the second one
[14:56] <popey> ctrl+a, a, a then whatever shortcut gets you the third one
[14:56] <popey> etc
[14:57] <jpds> Why would you want to put a screen within a screen?
[14:57] <popey> if you're sshing to a machine behind another
[14:57] <dwatkins> I do it a lot
[14:57] <popey> ditto
[14:57] <dwatkins> my laptop doesn't stay up, but the machine I ssh into does
[14:57] <dwatkins> so I ssh from that into others
[14:57] <dwatkins> and run screen on them too
[14:58] <popey> 4 deep is the most I have done i think
[15:01] <danfish> ah - ctrl-a,a etc. Wasn't using enough 'a's. Tx
[15:01] <popey> NEED MOAR AAAA!
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: you can copy/paste some of mine
[15:02] <popey> thanks!
[15:04] <s-fox> Afternoon everypeople :)
[15:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Kewl - Full 1080p recording coming to a phone near you soon... http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/samsung-releases-8-and-12-megapixel-cmos-smartphone-sensors-sho/
[15:16]  * daubers puts on some ELO and tries to focus
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> daubers: on ELO?
[15:18] <daubers> MartijnVdS: On why on keeping track of which object is calling what in my code
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Law of Demeter :)
[15:18] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Indeed
[15:19]  * MartijnVdS downloads the (legal!) SXSW torrent for '11
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> http://torrentfreak.com/sxsw-2011-on-bittorrent-4-49-gb-of-free-music-110210/
[15:27] <dwatkins> sudo doesn't seem to use my path
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: that's a feature :)
[15:28]  * bigcalm would like to kick Drupal squarely in the balls
[15:28] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: should be possible to turn it off in sudoers
[15:28] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: why?
[15:28] <Seeker> wee netsplit
[15:29] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: ok, maybe not Drupal itself. I'm extending a pre-made theme for a client. The CSS is proving annoying
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: CSS always is
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> it's why I do backends, not frontends
[15:31] <bigcalm> I prefer to do backends as well. Or something really fun with JS.
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> only if someone else gets to make it cross-browser :)
[15:31] <bigcalm> JS frameworks FTW!
[15:32] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ping
[15:33] <AlanBell> o/
[15:33]  * AlanBell reads scrollback and will move farnham pin a bit
[15:33] <AlanBell> and I am sure there is a url for recent blog posts somewhere
[15:34] <AlanBell> daubers: are you going bee keeping?
[15:35] <daubers> AlanBell: If I can get the missus' approval..
[15:35] <daubers> A day beekeeping at River Cottage sounds quite idyllic
[15:35] <winterweaver> so, how do I know if I get a new laptop (Alienware M11X to be specific), that ubuntu will run things everything like it's supposed to. I remember in the past people complaining that it doesnt run the correct fan speeds on some laptops, and sometimes dont shut down hard drives correctly. I dont want to pay a lot of money on a laptop that I'm just gonna kill, cause I use Ubuntu everyday
[15:39] <danfish> daubers: I was walking in Dorset last year near Bridport - walked round a corner in a quiet valley and tada - there was the original River Cottage
[15:39] <shauno> every time you mention beekeeping I just want to yell out "I'm covered in bees!".  just fyi :)
[15:40] <daubers> danfish: Yup, they do events there!
[15:40] <daubers> danfish: I went to the Autumn Fair last year and is was fantastic
[15:40] <danfish> winterweaver: I suppose the only surefire way is to find a vendor, and ask if you can try a live usb
[15:41] <danfish> daubers: excellent. Is that the one just accoss the border in Devon?
[15:41] <winterweaver> true... i've been stalking the forums, the folks that have one dont seem to be complaining, other than the screen card issues.
[15:46] <daubers> danfish: It's the original river cottage in the valley, but they've got a cafe in axminster
[15:47] <daubers> danfish: Think it's called park farm
[15:47] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/blog/
[15:48] <daubers> danfish: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=EX13+8TB&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.530974,34.453125&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Axminster+EX13+8TB,+United+Kingdom&ll=50.750332,-2.989397&spn=0.005919,0.033646&z=15&layer=c&cbll=50.750344,-2.989404&panoid=4lNBlaQIvS9V4bfIhziWdg&cbp=11,193.42,,0,-2.78 <- There
[15:48] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[15:49] <pr0ph3t> I have nautilus that keeps opening a menu bar on the desktop, I killed the process but it keeps coming up, what could be the problem?
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> a plugin in nautilus?
[15:52] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, possibly
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> what's in the menu that opens?
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> which version of Ubuntu?
[15:54] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, it's as if nautilus was open in the desktop folder and I get the simple File Edit View Places Help menu
[15:55] <danfish> daubers: I think there have been so many - this was the 1st http://www.panoramio.com/photo/34619835
[15:56] <daubers> danfish: Ah, possibly
[16:03] <daubers> danfish: They did have the gastro wagon at the Autumn Fair
[16:05] <AlanBell> czajkowski: pong
[16:06] <czajkowski> AlanBell: tis ok
[16:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mubarak has gone!
[16:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698
[16:11] <danfish> 'bout time to
[16:11] <directhex> where's HazRPG, i'm sure he has some insight to share
[16:16] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:33] <DJones> Nice wonder if this could make an Olympic event for 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12335960
[16:34] <MartijnVdS> DJones: imac bowling?
[16:35] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Speed assembling of a PC
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> not as much fun as imac bowling :)
[16:53] <daubers> ♪
[16:53] <daubers> :(
[16:53] <daubers> Ah ha!
[16:53] <MartijnVdS> daubers: ♫
[16:53] <daubers> Why for does screen not like unicode no more
[16:54] <daubers> ♪
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> daubers: ♫
[16:54] <daubers> Stupid screen
[16:54] <daubers> ♪: command not found
[16:54] <daubers> ?Y? is not what I asked for
[16:54] <daubers> silly screen
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> I see musical notes
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> <note char>: command not found
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> but:
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> 17:54 < daubers> ?Y? is not what I asked for
[16:56] <daubers> Hmmm, byobu doesn't start with unicode enabled by default
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> fial
[16:57] <popey> it doesnt?
[16:57] <daubers> ♪ WEEEEEEE
[16:57] <daubers> popey: Doesn't seem to on my vps
[16:57] <daubers> Had to create a new session to make it do so
[16:57] <jpds> Что?
[16:57] <daubers> Thats 10.04
[16:57] <daubers> Does seem to in 10.10 though
[16:58] <daubers> byobu version 2.68 compared too 3.5 in 10.10
[16:59] <Myrtti> my brain wants to play minecraft, but the body is too lazy to follow instructions on how to move in it
[17:00] <bigcalm> Myrtti: make a paper piggie :)
[17:00] <Baikonur> and then hit it to get ham?
[17:00] <bigcalm> http://yfrog.com/hsxkxhxj
[17:01] <Baikonur> it is indeed a paper pig
[17:02] <bigcalm> Was fun to make :)
[17:08] <Myrtti> bigcalm: my sisters printer is out of red ink and I've got only a bw laser at my apartment
[17:08] <bigcalm> Boo :(
[17:08] <Myrtti> I actually am considering going to bed
[17:08] <directhex> solution: colour laser
[17:09] <Myrtti> what would I do with a colour laser
[17:09] <directhex> print pigs.
[17:09] <Myrtti> I barely use my black and white
[17:09] <directhex> hth. hand.
[17:09] <popey> i might make some this weekend
[17:09] <Myrtti> main purpose is to copy crossword puzzles to my mum and printing out ryanair boarding passes
[17:09] <Myrtti> I don't need colour laser for that
[17:10] <Myrtti> and scan sick leave certificates and such to HR
[17:11] <Myrtti> sudo fetch me an iskender döner plz
[17:12] <popey> http://popey.com/minecraft/papercraft/
[17:12] <popey> need to do that this weekend
[17:13] <jonsaint> hi all. can anyone tell me what software i can use to create a mp3 cd for my car?
[17:14] <Azelphur> brasero? it's built in?
[17:14] <directhex> jonsaint, an mp3 cd is just a data disc filled with mp3 files. you don't need to do anything fancy
[17:14] <jonsaint> tried it. it will burn normal cd's
[17:14] <Azelphur> oh, mp3 cd
[17:14] <bigcalm> Black CD in your drive, drag files to it, finalise, put cd in car :)
[17:14] <Azelphur> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLPa4Fsh4ak is the answer
[17:15] <bigcalm> Azelphur: bit mean :)
[17:16] <Azelphur> wasn't meant to be mean, just funny :p
[17:16] <jonsaint> cheers folks il try that
[17:51] <gord> graze.com do not seem to understand, they started providing me with chocolate, i came to depend on them for chocolate and now they send a box that has zero chocolate in it at all? this shall not stand.
[17:57] <danfish> gord: it's for your own good. Eat an olive instead.
[17:58] <shauno> their website makes it look like little packages of rabbit food.  is it usually a bit more appealing?
[18:00]  * daubers goes home
[18:00] <shauno> silly question, 800MHz would be adequate for a (home) firewall?
[18:01] <gord> shauno, there are a lot of things that look like rabbit food yes, if you don't like nuts, sunflower seeds and rasins, i wouldn't bother
[18:02] <shauno> just wasn't expecting to hear of chocolate based on what I'd seen :)
[18:03] <gord> well you get chocolate coated things sometimes, but its still nuts, sunflower seeds and raisins ;)
[18:03] <danfish> and olives, lots of olives :(
[18:03] <gord> i banished olives from my boxes
[18:04] <danfish> good move - in reality if I banished everything I don't like, I'd be left with only those korean rice crackers and flapjacks
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> danfish: meal of kings
[18:23] <danfish> MartijnVdS: true
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> argh
[18:23]  * MartijnVdS files another bug
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> I've disabled menus in gnome-terminal
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> but EVERY TIME I switch windows, it shows up
[18:28] <jpds> Dear jabber.org, stop falling over, kthxbye,
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> \o/ gtalk
[18:59] <brobostigon> noswaith dda everyone.
[19:30]  * jacobw is stuck in screen
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: ctrl+a k
[19:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Friday night = pub night. Ta Da all. :-D
[19:30] <jacobw> ta MartijnVdS
[19:31] <jacobw> ah, I should rephrase, I'm stuck in irssi in screen
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: aren't we all :P
[19:31] <jacobw> irssi is eating the escape sequences
[19:31] <jacobw> hehe
[19:31]  * MartijnVdS changed the escape to Ctrl+X
[19:45] <brobostigon> annoying, how can my dad not know how to cook couscous, :(
[19:47] <mgdm> isn't it printed on the packet? :)
[19:47] <brobostigon> yes, it is.
[19:47] <brobostigon> he didnt look.
[19:47] <bigcalm> brobostigon: what did he try to do?
[19:48] <brobostigon> bigcalm: he failled to consider the fact to seal it,while steaming, and to add flavoring to infuse it.
[19:49] <bigcalm> At least it wont take long to make some more :)
[19:49] <brobostigon> bigcalm: very true, yes. :)
[20:29] <Pendulum> one of my mates is showing me the minecraft server she uses and someone built a giant carrot on it. very odd.
[20:30] <Azelphur> giant carrots are always fun.
[20:30]  * brobostigon goes to watch QI
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> it's an old one
[20:30] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: dont matter, it the only thing on.
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: rachmaninoff doc on 4
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> bbc4*
[20:31] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: umm, interesting.
[20:39] <brobostigon> cool, i just noticed in gwibber that brian cox uses android.
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you follow him as well? :)
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you might like these people: http://twitter.com/#!/periodicvideos
[20:40] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yeah, :), i have a majoy physics interest,
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: well.. you'll love periodicvideos, 60symbols and other channels from the Uni of Nottingham :)
[20:41] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[21:05] <domjohnson> If Windows 7 was my idea, I think I'd kill myself.
[21:05] <Azelphur> me too
[21:05] <brobostigon> lol
[21:06] <brobostigon> satire, :)
[21:06] <Azelphur> I wish Windows 7 was my idea, I could have crippled it...oh wait...
[21:06] <brobostigon> :)
[21:06] <Baikonur> i've got nothing agains windows 7
[21:13] <brobostigon> hustle is also pretty good,
[21:15] <warddr> Hello all
[21:16] <brobostigon> noswaith dda warddr
[21:16] <warddr> Do you have by any chance a page explaining how to use the live-cd? Something I can print for if I give someone a live-cd?
[21:17] <warddr> brobostigon, I don't think I understand what you're telling me
[21:17] <Azelphur> warddr: "Put it in the CD drive"
[21:18] <Azelphur> xD
[21:18] <brobostigon> warddr: good evening, in welsh. :)
[21:18] <brobostigon> tell bios to boot of cd.
[21:18] <warddr> Oh, hello :D I'm from belgium, just here to ask about the paper
[21:19] <brobostigon> warddr: MartijnVdS is a fellow country then.
[21:19] <AlanBell> hi warddr
[21:19] <brobostigon> country man*
[21:19]  * AlanBell hands brobostigon a map
[21:20] <brobostigon> doh
[21:20] <warddr> We've got a page in Dutch and French explaining some first steps and where to find help, I thought maybe you had one as well. My engish teacher is interested in ubuntu, and I prefere to give him an english version
[21:20] <brobostigon> thanks AlanBell :(
[21:23] <AlanBell> warddr: http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/en/get-materials/packaging
[21:23] <AlanBell> stuff there might be of interest for putting with a CD
[21:24] <AlanBell> however I can see a first steps article would be a handy thing and I don't know where one is
[21:24] <warddr> AlanBell, I'll translate ours in English, I can send it to you if you like
[21:25] <AlanBell> I can read French
[21:25] <brobostigon> i think a few of us might be interested, inreading it.
[21:26] <warddr> This is the frensh version for who speaks frensh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntu-cd-flyer-A4-FR-BE.odt
[21:26] <AlanBell> Merci
[21:26]  * brobostigon admits defeat.
[21:26] <AlanBell> Alan Cocks has some flyers he hands out, not sure where the online version is
[21:27] <warddr> But I'll try to translate the dutch version to English
[21:27]  * brobostigon gets warddr a leffe.
[21:28] <AlanBell> nice document warddr
[21:29] <warddr> No credits to me for that
[21:29] <warddr> but indeed a nice document
[21:37] <czajkowski> Pendulum: like the video :D
[21:38] <Pendulum> so cute!
[21:39] <czajkowski> Pendulum: aye such a tear jerker
[21:39] <Pendulum> I can't believe they're 5!
[21:40] <czajkowski> neither can I
[21:40] <czajkowski> seeing as they nearly didnt live, and she had to resuscitate cillian after a few days.
[21:40] <Pendulum> yeah
[21:40] <czajkowski> been a rough but entertaining few years
[21:41] <Pendulum> heh
[21:44] <czajkowski> not been able to get the song out of my head today
[21:45] <moreati> Pendulum: I watched the video, and they look like fabulous kids who obviously adore each other. If twin births were more common I think we'd be much better off as a society. Best luck for the next 5 years.
[21:46] <Pendulum> moreati: they're not my kids
[21:46] <czajkowski> moreati: they my mates.
[21:46] <czajkowski> she lives in canada now
[21:46] <czajkowski> fyi for others : weapy video but sooo cute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tMsb8QeDCY&feature
[21:46] <moreati> Pendulum: czajkowski apologies, I misunderstood
[21:46] <czajkowski> np
[21:47] <Pendulum> moreati: not a problem :)
[21:52] <danfish> aloha ahiahi