[00:03] budapest looks very interesting [00:03] a river dividing the two cities [00:03] it'll certainly be the most foreign place I've ever been [00:04] * crashsystems has been stuck in the US too long :/ [00:04] budepest was a real hot spot 100 years ago in europe. even 50-70 years ago. some of the most trendiest nightclubs and dancehalls in all of europe [00:04] I love the US [00:05] but travel is fun, and I haven't had the opportunity to do so until these past couple years [00:05] the more i travel the more i appreciate the usa. things are maybe a bit too easy here and its easy to take it for granted [00:05] like 24 hour donuts :) [00:05] same [00:05] and big hotel rooms! [00:05] * crashsystems wants donuts now. [00:07] i have a donut place near me. run by a small little old japanese guy who has apparently been doing it since he was released from internment. the place is open 24/7 and he hand makes all the fillings every day. fresh cream, fresh strawberries, etc. there is always a line of people outside when i drive by! even at the oddest hours [00:07] iheartubuntu: so you're bringing a box to scale, right? [00:07] ;) [00:07] i am?? OK! [00:08] that's neat [00:08] I haven't had a donut in ages [00:08] I'll get him to autograpgh the box [00:08] lol, that would be awesome [00:08] pleia2: I had a custard-filled donut with chocolate frosting on Tuesday night! [00:08] 24/7? Wow, I'd end up getting donuts at crazy hours! [00:09] there are a lot of donut shops in the city, I'm just never in a donut mood when I'm near one (and donuts from cafes aren't the same) [00:10] Isn't that the truth! [00:11] pleia2 do you like going to music concerts? [00:12] iheartubuntu: I haven't been to many, but I've enjoyed the ones I've been to :) [00:13] SF had an awesome one... somewhere south of market and fremont... called Maritime Hall [00:14] some legendary concert events there. i believe it closed up a few years back [00:18] yeah, I moved to SF now that it's not cool anymore [00:25] ha [00:26] the website ive used for 5+ years to find live soccer game feeds was shut down... http://atdhe.net/ [00:26] homeland security took it over. what a bunch of rubbish. i feel like we are in china now [00:27] was it legal? [00:27] funny the gov doesnt shut down sites like justin.tv which is the site actually showing the feeds. [00:27] the site i was going to was just creating a page to find soccer links, not actual feeds themselves. [00:27] I'd be mad at the companies pushing that for laws that make their content be protected, not the enforcers of those laws [00:28] i should probably be mad at both :) [00:28] and write to your congressperson! [00:28] :) [00:29] dear congressperson. where are my pseudo legal video feeds? [00:29] Being mad at the enforcers makes sense too, if they enforce silly things like that but don't enforce, say, antispam laws [00:29] or antitrust laws [00:30] fair enough [00:30] i'll have to find some chinese links to watch los angeles games here in los angeles [00:30] :p [00:31] im worried now of monthly caps on data usage [00:31] thats going to squash companies who want to charge money for people watching movies online [00:31] I didn't even realize until last year (when I started caring about a sport) how hugely locked down baseball and football and other sporting stuff was [00:32] * pleia2 pays royalties for talking about them [00:32] ;) [00:32] locked down? [00:32] pays royalties? [00:32] im sure talking major league soccer they would pay YOU [00:32] well, perhaps not soccer :) [00:32] but the popular sporting things in the US [00:32] in fact its pretty easy to get a soccer press pass [00:33] MLB, NFL [00:33] soccer has higher tv views and attendance than NHL now :) [00:33] woot woot [00:33] hehe [00:34] i was a hockey fan for a couple years (some girl made me like it) [00:34] i didnt phrase that right :p [00:35] her cousin was paralyzed at boston U and wrote a book about it [00:35] i forget his name now [00:35] in his first ever uni game [00:35] ouch [00:35] wow [00:37] how awful! [00:39] i bought a few extra copies of his book to be autographed. i thought i bought them on amazon. cant seem to find it in my history [00:40] but i *DID* buy a black labrador beanie baby in 1997 [00:41] ahh yes. his name was "travis roy" === Administrator__ is now known as ryaxnb7 [02:07] Anyone know if seidos moved back to social? [02:07] Socal [02:56] isnt redhat a major player in the linux world? [02:56] yep [02:56] did they create debian or is redhat designed off of debian? [02:56] neither [02:56] their stock price has doubled in one year [02:56] from $20 to $44 [02:57] they were both started around the same time though, redhat developed the rpm packaging system that their distro (and fedora, and others) use, debian created debs (debian, ubuntu ,etc) [02:57] id like to ivnest in linux [02:57] related companies [02:58] i once tried redhat in thr 1990s when it was sold at compusa. could not figure patitioning so i gave up [02:58] redhat 7.2 was my first linux [02:59] thankfully ubuntu got me back in [02:59] :) [03:02] google is a major backer of linux these days [03:02] ohh hows that computer doing liz? [03:05] iheartubuntu: it's great :) I am having a lot of fun with it (on it now!) [03:05] so how r u doing irc? [03:05] freenode webchat? [03:05] irssi! [03:06] whats irssi? [03:06] a terminal-based IRC client [03:07] ohh clever [03:08] yeah, I ssh from the cr-48 into my server running irssi [03:08] the terminal on this machine is very limited, but it does have ssh :) [03:10] im using freenode webchat at my wifes uni here since they block pidgin [03:51] yo people, we be here at Philz Coffee (been here since 7), jtatum is w/ me. where's the rest of y'all. akk, crashsystems, crashsystems1, jamalta [03:52] :-) [03:52] I didn't even know about it. Last I heard you were telling us about one next Thursday in Mountain View. [03:52] I need email reminders of this stuff! [03:53] I hope to be in MV next Thursday, though. [03:56] yeah that's what hardly any time on-line will get me akk. thing is i need others to pick a meeitng and THEY do the reminders. [03:56] oops, yeah, I needed a reminder to update identica [03:56] James/ jtatum agreed to do MV and stburto is doing PA. You wanna do SJ akk? [03:56] where are ya'll? bay area? [03:56] Maybe a once a month "Here are the south bay ubuntu hours this month"? [03:57] yup, Silicon Valley iheartubuntu [03:57] yes, so would you like to do that akk? [03:57] is seidos there? [03:57] nUboon2Age: I've only been to one of the SJ ones ... I don't mind sending an email but for that you'd have to tell me when they're going to be. :) [03:58] And if you tell me, I'm not sure it would be any harder to tell the whole list ... [03:58] akk: so the way it works is you would 'adopt' a meeting. The SJ one is set for every 2nd Th of the month. [04:00] no akk i can't do it all. it doesn't work that way. the way it actually is functional is to delegate and people take responsibility for a single meeting. that way we get a prolififeration of healthy meetings. not ones all run by one person. [04:01] nUboon2Age: I don't mind sending the mailing, but I'm hesitant to adopt SJ because I'm not sure I'm sold on that location (the one I went to was frustrating for me, I didn't get to talk to anyone). [04:01] you can change the location, no probl [04:01] nUboon2Age: I don't mind sending an email reminder for it, though, if you need someone to do that. [04:01] akk: ^^ [04:01] I'd rather just go to the MV one -- it's right across the street from work and a good location. [04:02] you could help in any way you want, but i need someone to adopt the meeting. you are the logical one because you are by far the closest. but i'll understand if you don't want to akk [04:02] I spend almost no time in downtown SJ, so I'm not a good person to find sites there. [04:02] hallo [04:02] would you rather adopt the MV one akk? maybe we can swap w/ jtatum. [04:03] stay back, it's mine! haha [04:03] i get hardly ANY time on-line right now so i NEED to delegate akk [04:04] and by the way, i talked to you at the one you came to so you can't say NO ONE talked to you. :-) akk [04:04] I don't mind sending email reminders for SJ ... I just don't want to be responsible for being there every time. [04:04] well how about MV then akk [04:04] ?? [04:05] I thought you said jtatum was doing that? But I plan to be there when I can. [04:05] i might be able to persuade jtatum to switch. i need someone to ADOPT a meeting. all the way,. akk [04:06] If nobody's that interested in adopting SJ, maybe it's a sign that we're spreading ourselves too thin and should concentrate on MV? [04:06] its not like i won't come to it akk, i'll keep coming. btw i was the ONLY one at MV AND SJ last month [04:06] wrong akk [04:06] its a sign that we need to delegate [04:06] nUboon2Age: Hey, d and I were the only ones in MV the month before that, at least for the first 45 min. :) [04:07] take it from me akk i've been organizing events for many a year. i know whereof i speak. [04:07] yeah and what do all the low-turnout event have in common akk? [04:07] i'll tell you what they have in common. [04:07] no publicity [04:08] Right. But a monthly announcement with a list of dates would help a lot. [04:08] as i said with a broken arm and many other probs getting time on-line i haven't been able to do proper PR. akk [04:08] that says zero about the viability of the meeting akk [04:08] it just says i haven't been able to do the PR and need to delegate. [04:08] so i'm asking for your help akk [04:09] So what kind of PR are you trying to get people to do, if not email announcements? [04:10] adopting a meeting means #1 being committed to show to the meeting #2 create an event on our events list and on the forums #3 announce it here #4 send e-mail reminder akk [04:11] I typically send out an email announcement (sometimes cross post to other lists who said I could announce Ubuntu Hours on their lists), update the california.ubuntuforums.org thread about hours, create a loco.ubuntu.com entry for it and then nudge myself to update identi.ca/ubuntucalifornia (which x-posts to twitter) [04:11] i'm not 'trying to get' anyone to 'do PR'. i'm asking people to step up and adopt a meeting akk [04:11] we have a facebook group too, but facebook confounds me :) [04:11] yes and the beauty is that when you are only dealing with a single meeting per month you could really go to town and e-mail many different lists and tweet and identi.ca, facebook, etc. [04:12] I have a FB account, but I'm completely confused how group accounts are supposed to work. [04:12] but that's really only possible when you have only a single meeting to work on akk [04:12] pleia2: it's a page now. this has not notably changed how often it's updated, though. [04:12] Joining groups doesn't seem to put announcements from the group into your news feed or whatever it's called. [04:12] rww: groups, pages, I don't actually know the difference :\ [04:13] Pages are more confusing. [04:13] yeah i haven't figured out all the FB stuff yet, but i'm planning on using Gwibber to help me get it done. awesome app. akk [04:14] I tried to use gwibber and it was even more confusing than the FB web interface (probably it's better now). [04:14] nUboon2Age: back off a little please? she said she can't commit to full responsibility going to every one and that she just wants to help, surely that's useful too? [04:14] Thanks! pleia2 [04:15] which reminds me, if others want to help keeping identi.ca updated, please let me know, I'm clearly awful at it :) [04:15] Speaking of confusing web interfaces ... I have an identi.ca account but could never figure out how to post anything. [04:15] so tonight at Ubuntu Hour SJ i spoke with Sebastian who is a CS student at SJSU and one of his profs had *required* that everyone add another OS to their computer (in his case Ubuntu!!!) and he gave me some names of profs to contact to get this Ubuntu Hour connected w/ SJSJ [04:16] Strangely, people are following me there even though I have no updates. [04:16] pleia2: thank you but you have your style and i have mine. [04:16] nUboon2Age: That's great! [04:16] pleia2: mine is a little less gentle than yours but if you really watch me in action you'll come to trust that i do back off when i need to. [04:17] identi.ca's interface confuses me too, I always end up clicking around a bit after logging in [04:18] The other one I can't figure out is diaspora. [04:18] Even with names of people I know are on it, I can't figure out how to find them and connect to them. [04:19] I really want to support the open sites instead of FB/twitter ... but I think I'm not smart or technical enough to use them! :) [04:19] okay we're going to move over to Pizza My Heart now... catch you in a few. [04:19] * rww sighs [04:19] I didn't even bother with diaspora, I'm only really on facebook so my non-techie friends and family can find me, and they aren't on diaspora :) [04:19] my techie friends know how to contact me properly [04:20] email? [04:20] IRC? [04:21] I wish more people were on diaspora [04:21] akk: that too. Anything created after I learned to talk is too newfangled! [04:21] * akk logs in to diaspora, and discovers there's a request from 3 days ago that it never bothered to email me about [04:22] but it's from somebody I've never heard of about something I know nothing about, hmm [04:22] * crashsystems is on https://joindiaspora/crashsystems [04:23] yeah, mostly email and IRC (but I do have my phone number online too) [04:56] Byron joined us at Pizza My Heart. [04:57] Good news, everyone: Mountain View Ubuntu Hour, Thursday 2/17. See your email or any of the other ten thousand places I spammed it for details and such === nuboon2age_ is now known as nUboon2Age [05:11] If a group adopts a scarcity mentality and only works on the basis of the current membership and who they have right now its very unlikely they will grow very much. akk, [05:11] whereas if we approach things from an Abundance mentality the sky is the limit. [05:12] Scarcity keeps us locked in fear-based limitations [05:12] Abundance allows us to expand without many limits. [05:12] If we say we are only going to run as many Ubuntu Hours as we currently can support we will not get very far. [05:13] if instead we adapt a huge vision of Ubuntu Hours in every city and operate accordingly then we can exceed all expectations. [05:13] but delegation is the key [05:14] each Ubuntu Hour needs its own leadership who then make sure the PR happens and the relations stay good with the venue operators. [05:15] organizing events is my forte. i've been doing if for many, many years and i've had enormous success. These things i pass along are based on my expertise. [05:16] all it takes to get an Ubuntu Hour going initially is one committed individual who is willing to be at least enough outgoing to talk to others. [05:18] As long as one is willing to talk to strangers about something you are enthusiastic about you can be successful at starting an Ubuntu Hour or Lindependence Hour. [05:19] If you are kindy not so enthused about Ubuntu per se, then i encourage you akk to do it as a Lindependence Hour instead so you don't feel obligated to push Ubuntu, but open to whichever distro suits your fancy. [05:19] s/kindy/kinda [05:20] haha [05:20] nUboon2Age got quiet [05:20] turns out he was writing a wall of text :) [05:21] :) jtatum [05:22] :-) [05:31] nUboon2Age, I agree that having a mentality of *abundance* is a great way to proceed :) [05:32] * kdub will accept any & all help for san diego organizing :) [05:35] yup, MarkDude, Lindependence Hours everywhere! Abundance! [05:36] yeah kdub!!! [05:37] maybe Flannel would help your kdub(???) [05:37] and how about DarkwingDuck kdub? [05:37] Create a wiki page for it kdub SD has people [05:38] great idea MarkDude, kdub [05:38] well, i've been organizing a few meetings, but i'm not very good at promotion i guess [05:39] * MarkDude knows a thing or two about promotion [05:39] wiki page for Ubuntu Hour SD kdub. if you don't have access to the wiki yet kdub, pleia2 can help you with that, or DarkwingDuck for that matter or Flannel. [05:39] i think we've done 3 san diego hours already [05:39] Everybody with an LP account has access to the wiki. [05:39] yes MarkDude does!!! [05:39] some might say tooo much ;) [05:40] but our max attendance was 4 :P [05:40] i thought to make team pages we needed some extra permission rww. no? [05:40] nUboon2Age: no [05:40] kdub, half full glass much? [05:40] that's good to know rww. ty for pointing that out. i didn't realize that. [05:40] 4 people is enough to start a revolution [05:40] 4 people rocks kdub, i agree with MarkDude [05:40] not technically, anyway. if there are social requirements, I'm unaware of them. [05:41] well that and/or beer/coffee [05:41] oh yeah, i'm hopeful about it, have a half-baked svg i was going to send to kinkos for copies [05:41] plus, i think we can meet downtown at the huge panera bread in the middle of the city [05:41] a single committed person can get it rolling initially and inspire a ripple effect, snowballing into something huge kdub. [05:42] oh yeah, i saw the michigan loco start up [05:42] and really, ubuntu is how i keep passionate about computers, sometimes work takes too much outta you :P [05:44] oh, and i have a handful of brewery-restaurant type of places that i'd feel safe bringing a computer [05:44] gotta call the management and see how comfortable they are with that though :P [05:45] sure kdub. it sounds like you are on the right track. [05:46] kdub, not to sound all Ubuntuish but, by doing some of these geek events I have gained some real good friends [05:46] My events that have had the highest attendance are not somehow the best [05:47] goodnight y'all [05:48] later nUboon2Age [05:49] night nUboon2Age [06:36] testing out operas new built in mail program. its sleek. reminds me a bit like postler (which im interested in trying). [16:22] guten tag [16:24] so ive been mentioning Opera browser and testing it the last couple days. But someone told me its closed source? [16:25] if browsers were women... http://thenextweb.com/2009/03/16/browsers-women/ [16:28] Meego is dead ... [16:29] http://goo.gl/9xhou [16:30] A bit of a sad day for linux. Presumably this means the Linux end-user ecosystem is now split into two (for 99% of users): Android and Ubuntu. [16:31] It'll be interesting to see if Ubuntu can fill in some of the roles Meego was targeting - tablets, in-vehicle systems etc... [16:46] * MarkDude knows some folks at Nokia that are most likely not too happy with all of this [16:48] i like the women browser thing lol iheartubuntu i think i might have dated the ie girl lol [16:48] I'm more worried about the Qt thing then the meego side of things. [16:49] * MarkDude thinks there are a few less known browsers that could have just been hot nerd girls [16:49] Ya, Nokia laying off most of the Linux devs affects a lot more than just Meego [16:49] Elinks, for example [16:49] KDE and Kubuntu [16:49] We are built on Qt [16:49] Well, KDE can fork Qt right? [16:49] DarkwingDuck, there was a transistion that started last year [16:50] MarkDude: What transition? [16:50] Knut yrvin had his cards from Nokia [16:50] QT was crossed out [16:50] Qt was crossed out of what? [16:50] * MarkDude did not think about that until now [16:51] DarkwingDuck, on his card [16:51] Yeah... [16:51] this is going ot hurt. [16:51] thats wierd - since Nokia could have made some without it [16:51] Knut *was* making a statemenet then [16:51] jdeslip: I'm not sure... for Qt bugs we have to work with Nokia [16:52] I gathered there was some sort of gamble going on [16:52] hence the reason we had 3 nokia Qt devs at UDS [16:54] Well, the Qt devs seem to think that they will be okay for now. [16:58] DarkwingDuck, I found 1 person willing to help in SoCal [16:58] He will be in inland empire at least part time [16:58] kk [16:59] Clint Savage from Fedora [17:03] Will he be at Scale? [17:03] He will be pretty busy , but can meetup at Scale [17:03] Yep [17:03] Becasue, while there I would love to have a improv meeting at scale. [17:03] MarkDude: since you have put these on before and I have never attended one I would LOVE anything that you have to offer [17:03] So we can set up at least a coffee/drinks [17:03] Sure [17:04] * MarkDude is helping set up geeknics in Europe also [17:04] Socal- I know the area a bit better [17:04] MarkDude: what day are you going to be down here? [17:05] Apparently Thursday- since 1 talk is early Friday [17:11] MarkDude: maybe drinks/dinner/meeting friday night? [17:11] I hvae plans for sat night already [17:13] He still is not sure when he wil be free [17:14] He thinks Im tryig to get him to be a main organizer [17:14] Okay, I'm having dinner with some old friends that I have not seen in years on sat night. [19:01] nhaines what sort of topics are you thinking about for ubucon [19:03] ubucon? [19:06] nhaines: yay ubucon! [19:07] jamiedmattingly: nhaines wrote a mail to the list, and blogged about it here: http://nhaines.livejournal.com/58899.html [19:10] oh thats at scale too huh? [19:10] yeah, friday [19:11] my wife will never let me go to la i had a hard enough time going to sf the other day lol [19:12] pleia2: it was the best kind of notice from SCaLE... none whatsoever! But that's what makes it fun. :) [19:12] iheartubuntu: Things that beginners would like. I'm hoping to get three speakers (last year had 6, but we also had 5 weeks to plan). [19:13] So in between I'll do open sessions. I want to do one where we talk about setting up an Ubuntu computer for a kid. [19:13] Like, early learning programs, office stuff, scientific stuff, what would you install, what do the programs look like, etc. [19:13] nhaines: proposal sent, let me know if you need more details (it's pretty straight forward though :)) [19:14] that would be fun as well im trying to get my 9 year old daughter to use my ubuntu [19:15] nhaines: sent you a proposal. "Creating your first Ubuntu app with quickly". If any programming at all is to advanced what what you have planned, I could do another subject if you need a speaker and have something in mind. [19:16] she has been using windows since she was 6 so trying to get her on ubuntu isnt as easy as i would have hoped [19:16] pleia2: I love it. :) [19:16] jamiedmattingly: book a ticket and she can give a presentation. ;) [19:16] \o/ [19:17] jdeslip: I walked through the Quickly tutorial last year. It was very well received. [19:17] my wife will never let me go to la although my daughter might like it [19:17] my proposal was "Finding Help" (explaining to new users that they have forums, irc, google etc for learning about ubuntu) [19:17] jamiedmattingly: bring your wife too. ;) [19:17] yeah, I'm dragging my boyfriend along ;) [19:18] she hates computers except for face book :( [19:18] my line was "even if you don't find anything on the schedule - we're in LA! go on adventures" [19:18] jamiedmattingly: Also, although I was being snarky, three girls, 10, 11, and 13, I think, did give a presentation for the Women in Open Source track and it was standing-room only, overflow, and standing ovation afterwards. [19:19] nice [19:19] very nice nhaines [19:19] In fact, if I hadn't been MCing the Ubucon thing I would have gone in. [19:20] So snarky quips aside, I'd accept a younger presenter just as readily as an older one. [19:32] Oh, also, if anyone here has already registered but wants to go to Ubucon (i.e., have the listing on your badge) just let me know your email address and I can get the registration updated. [19:32] Or, first and last name works too. [19:41] Ooh, snazzy: https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/special-events [19:42] w00t [19:49] nhaines: david.wonderly@kubuntu.org [19:49] Well wait... I'm getting a vendor badge... NM [19:50] DarkwingDuck: Vendor or exhibitor? They can get those fields added too. :) [19:51] exhibitor [19:51] nhaines: I will actually have a working computer and be able to do a talk on KDE/Kubuntu this year. [19:51] nhaines: at Ubucon [19:57] nhaines: I'll draft up a little blurb for ya [19:58] DarkwingDuck: thanks! :) [19:58] That might actually be a good presentation. [19:59] :) [19:59] Err.. context-wise. I'm sure the *presentation* will be good. I meant I think it'll be a good fit. :) [20:00] hehehe. [20:00] I knew what you were going for [20:01] nhaines, you did a great job with MC duties last year, IMHO [20:01] :) [20:02] MarkDude: thanks! I don't remember you being there but then I don't remember much of anything from last SCaLE... I never do afterward, haha. [20:03] * MarkDude spoke [20:03] had rww doubting I could do it in under 5 minutes [20:03] had 30 seconds to spare [20:04] I remember a bit form Ubucon... My computer failed... there was that lightning talk about GRUB LOL [20:09] doh :) [20:13] It was... unique [20:14] anyone know why the ubuntu freezes at the language selection screen? [20:16] * DarkwingDuck raises an eyebrow [20:16] Total freeze or a delay? [20:16] I've tried 2 cdr's and a dvd...It wont get past the language selection screen [20:17] hmmmm, have you tried an ALT CD? [20:17] Ubuntu 10.10? [20:17] Check the MD5SUM on the ISO you downloaded. [20:18] I'll check the checksum. I assumed it was ok [20:18] yea 10.10 [20:21] pleia2, you were correct about bierte, he is a pretty cool person [20:21] :D [20:21] very reasonable [20:21] Hella funny [20:21] yeah he's awesome [20:22] He got a few jokes that JanC never understood [20:23] did you get to meet him? he was plannin on coming to fudcon but couldn't make it [20:23] Not yet [20:23] He might be at OSCON [20:23] cool [20:24] We are trying to see about getting all sorts of folks for this CLS also [20:24] I first met him through paul mellors <3 [20:24] then he came out to UDS in Brussels [20:24] Paul is another cool person :) [20:24] yes :) I heart him lots! [20:24] haven't met though [20:25] * MarkDude already has some friends trying to get local non-profits to go to CLS' [20:41] Hmmm, I may have to trim this presentation down a bit. [20:52] There have been 22 SCaLE registrations with the UBUCA promo code thus far. [20:58] AWESOME! [20:58] I'm up to 33 slide ideas [20:59] nhaines: Will there be a computer hooked up to a projector? [21:03] DarkwingDuck: yes. [21:03] And you'll have a over-the-ear loop mic. [21:05] OO.org presentation or PDF correct? [21:05] Correct. [21:05] kk :) [21:05] Oh, and if you want to show off Kubuntu and are bringing a computer we can use that. :) [21:07] :) Okay, I was just going to use screen shots and tell them if they want to use it they can come to our booth. :D [21:08] DarkwingDuck: you're free to do that as well. :) [21:08] Or see me afterward... [21:08] Either or. [21:09] Tomorrow night 8:30pm the church of Jono will be having a loud music palooza in Concord [21:09] Severed Fifth will be at the Timeout [21:10] And most likely it will be myself and Dangerour grantbow [21:21] http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=131088613622914 === crashsystems is now known as crash|party-hat [23:27] I just saw that there is now a vncviewer android app. Works great with Ubuntu remote-desktop. [23:27] It works okay. [23:27] Input's a bit wonky sometimes. :) [23:27] Took a bit of getting used to anyway ;) [23:27] But, I think I am going to use it as a remote mouse for my mythbox/media-box [23:28] Clicking seemed to be pretty robust. Entering text was a bit more difficult [23:34] It's pretty easy with a G1 or G2. :) [23:35] * pleia2 misses the proper keyboard [23:35] I haven't seen the g2 yet, I'm glad they came out with one [23:37] It looks like a Nexus One with a slide-out keyboard. [23:37] It's also very heavy. :) [23:38] I like heavy, the nexus s is all plasticy and not heavy, no likey [23:38] Yeah, it feels like a nice, solid piece of kit.