[00:03] <iheartubuntu> budapest looks very interesting
[00:03] <iheartubuntu> a river dividing the two cities
[00:03] <pleia2> it'll certainly be the most foreign place I've ever been
[00:04]  * crashsystems has been stuck in the US too long :/
[00:04] <iheartubuntu> budepest was a real hot spot 100 years ago in europe. even 50-70 years ago. some of the most trendiest nightclubs and dancehalls in all of europe
[00:04] <pleia2> I love the US
[00:05] <pleia2> but travel is fun, and I haven't had the opportunity to do so until these past couple years
[00:05] <iheartubuntu> the more i travel the more i appreciate the usa. things are maybe a bit too easy here and its easy to take it for granted
[00:05] <iheartubuntu> like 24 hour donuts :)
[00:05] <pleia2> same
[00:05] <pleia2> and big hotel rooms!
[00:05]  * crashsystems wants donuts now.
[00:07] <iheartubuntu> i have a donut place near me. run by a small little old japanese guy who has apparently been doing it since he was released from internment. the place is open 24/7 and he hand makes all the fillings every day. fresh cream, fresh strawberries, etc. there is always a line of people outside when i drive by! even at the oddest hours
[00:07] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: so you're bringing a box to scale, right?
[00:07] <pleia2> ;)
[00:07] <iheartubuntu> i am?? OK!
[00:08] <jtatum> that's neat
[00:08] <pleia2> I haven't had a donut in ages
[00:08] <iheartubuntu> I'll get him to autograpgh the box
[00:08] <pleia2> lol, that would be awesome
[00:08] <nhaines> pleia2: I had a custard-filled donut with chocolate frosting on Tuesday night!
[00:08] <crashsystems> 24/7? Wow, I'd end up getting donuts at crazy hours!
[00:09] <pleia2> there are a lot of donut shops in the city, I'm just never in a donut mood when I'm near one (and donuts from cafes aren't the same)
[00:10] <nhaines> Isn't that the truth!
[00:11] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 do you like going to music concerts?
[00:12] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: I haven't been to many, but I've enjoyed the ones I've been to :)
[00:13] <iheartubuntu> SF had an awesome one... somewhere south of market and fremont... called Maritime Hall
[00:14] <iheartubuntu> some legendary concert events there. i believe it closed up a few years back
[00:18] <pleia2> yeah, I moved to SF now that it's not cool anymore
[00:25] <iheartubuntu> ha
[00:26] <iheartubuntu> the website ive used for 5+ years to find live soccer game feeds was shut down... http://atdhe.net/
[00:26] <iheartubuntu> homeland security took it over. what a bunch of rubbish. i feel like we are in china now
[00:27] <pleia2> was it legal?
[00:27] <iheartubuntu> funny the gov doesnt shut down sites like justin.tv which is the site actually showing the feeds.
[00:27] <iheartubuntu> the site i was going to was just creating a page to find soccer links, not actual feeds themselves.
[00:27] <pleia2> I'd be mad at the companies pushing that for laws that make their content be protected, not the enforcers of those laws
[00:28] <iheartubuntu> i should probably be mad at both :)
[00:28] <pleia2> and write to your congressperson!
[00:28] <pleia2> :)
[00:29] <iheartubuntu> dear congressperson. where are my pseudo legal video feeds?
[00:29] <akk> Being mad at the enforcers makes sense too, if they enforce silly things like that but don't enforce, say, antispam laws
[00:29] <akk> or antitrust laws
[00:30] <pleia2> fair enough
[00:30] <iheartubuntu> i'll have to find some chinese links to watch los angeles games here in los angeles
[00:30] <iheartubuntu> :p
[00:31] <iheartubuntu> im worried now of monthly caps on data usage
[00:31] <iheartubuntu> thats going to squash companies who want to charge money for people watching movies online
[00:31] <pleia2> I didn't even realize until last year (when I started caring about a sport) how hugely locked down baseball and football and other sporting stuff was
[00:32]  * pleia2 pays royalties for talking about them
[00:32] <pleia2> ;)
[00:32] <iheartubuntu> locked down?
[00:32] <iheartubuntu> pays royalties?
[00:32] <iheartubuntu> im sure talking major league soccer they would pay YOU
[00:32] <pleia2> well, perhaps not soccer :)
[00:32] <pleia2> but the popular sporting things in the US
[00:32] <iheartubuntu> in fact its pretty easy to get a soccer press pass
[00:33] <pleia2> MLB, NFL
[00:33] <iheartubuntu> soccer has higher tv views and attendance than NHL now :)
[00:33] <iheartubuntu> woot woot
[00:33] <pleia2> hehe
[00:34] <iheartubuntu> i was a hockey fan for a couple years (some girl made me like it)
[00:34] <iheartubuntu> i didnt phrase that right :p
[00:35] <iheartubuntu> her cousin was paralyzed at boston U and wrote a book about it
[00:35] <iheartubuntu> i forget his name now
[00:35] <iheartubuntu> in his first ever uni game
[00:35] <iheartubuntu> ouch
[00:35] <pleia2> wow
[00:37] <akk> how awful!
[00:39] <iheartubuntu> i bought a few extra copies of his book to be autographed. i thought i bought them on amazon. cant seem to find it in my history
[00:40] <iheartubuntu> but i *DID* buy a black labrador beanie baby in 1997
[00:41] <iheartubuntu> ahh yes. his name was "travis roy"
[02:07] <iheartubuntu> Anyone know if seidos moved back to social?
[02:07] <iheartubuntu> Socal
[02:56] <iheartubuntu> isnt redhat a major player in the linux world?
[02:56] <pleia2> yep
[02:56] <iheartubuntu> did they create debian or is redhat designed off of debian?
[02:56] <pleia2> neither
[02:56] <iheartubuntu> their stock price has doubled in one year
[02:56] <iheartubuntu> from $20 to $44
[02:57] <pleia2> they were both started around the same time though, redhat developed the rpm packaging system that their distro (and fedora, and others) use, debian created debs (debian, ubuntu ,etc)
[02:57] <iheartubuntu> id like to ivnest in linux
[02:57] <iheartubuntu> related companies
[02:58] <iheartubuntu> i once tried redhat in thr 1990s when it was sold at compusa. could not figure patitioning so i gave up
[02:58] <pleia2> redhat 7.2 was my first linux
[02:59] <iheartubuntu> thankfully ubuntu got me back in
[02:59] <pleia2> :)
[03:02] <iheartubuntu> google is a major backer of linux these days
[03:02] <iheartubuntu> ohh hows that computer doing liz?
[03:05] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: it's great :) I am having a lot of fun with it (on it now!)
[03:05] <iheartubuntu> so how r u doing irc?
[03:05] <iheartubuntu> freenode webchat?
[03:05] <rww> irssi!
[03:06] <iheartubuntu> whats irssi?
[03:06] <rww> a terminal-based IRC client
[03:07] <iheartubuntu> ohh clever
[03:08] <pleia2> yeah, I ssh from the cr-48 into my server running irssi
[03:08] <pleia2> the terminal on this machine is very limited, but it does have ssh :)
[03:10] <iheartubuntu> im using freenode webchat at my wifes uni here since they block pidgin
[03:51] <nUboon2Age> yo people, we be here at Philz Coffee (been here since 7), jtatum is w/ me.  where's the rest of y'all.  akk, crashsystems, crashsystems1, jamalta
[03:52] <nUboon2Age> :-)
[03:52] <akk> I didn't even know about it. Last I heard you were telling us about one next Thursday in Mountain View.
[03:52] <akk> I need email reminders of this stuff!
[03:53] <akk> I hope to be in MV next Thursday, though.
[03:56] <nUboon2Age> yeah that's what hardly any time on-line will get me akk.  thing is i need others to pick a meeitng and THEY do the reminders.
[03:56] <pleia2> oops, yeah, I needed a reminder to update identica
[03:56] <nUboon2Age> James/ jtatum agreed to do MV and stburto is doing PA.  You wanna do SJ akk?
[03:56] <iheartubuntu> where are ya'll? bay area?
[03:56] <akk> Maybe a once a month "Here are the south bay ubuntu hours this month"?
[03:57] <nUboon2Age> yup, Silicon Valley iheartubuntu
[03:57] <nUboon2Age> yes, so would you like to do that akk?
[03:57] <iheartubuntu> is seidos there?
[03:57] <akk> nUboon2Age: I've only been to one of the SJ ones ... I don't mind sending an email but for that you'd have to tell me when they're going to be. :)
[03:58] <akk> And if you tell me, I'm not sure it would be any harder to tell the whole list ...
[03:58] <nUboon2Age> akk: so the way it works is you would 'adopt' a meeting.  The SJ one is set for every 2nd Th of the month.
[04:00] <nUboon2Age> no akk i can't do it all.  it doesn't work that way.  the way it actually is functional is to delegate and people take responsibility for a single meeting.  that way we get a prolififeration of healthy meetings.  not ones all run by one person.
[04:01] <akk> nUboon2Age: I don't mind sending the mailing, but I'm hesitant to adopt SJ because I'm not sure I'm sold on that location (the one I went to was frustrating for me, I didn't get to talk to anyone).
[04:01] <nUboon2Age> you can change the location, no probl
[04:01] <akk> nUboon2Age: I don't mind sending an email reminder for it, though, if you need someone to do that.
[04:01] <nUboon2Age> akk: ^^
[04:01] <akk> I'd rather just go to the MV one -- it's right across the street from work and a good location.
[04:02] <nUboon2Age> you could help in any way you want, but i need someone to adopt the meeting.  you are the logical one because you are by far the closest.  but i'll understand if you don't want to akk
[04:02] <akk> I spend almost no time in downtown SJ, so I'm not a good person to find sites there.
[04:02] <jtatum> hallo
[04:02] <nUboon2Age> would you rather adopt the MV one akk?  maybe we can swap w/ jtatum.
[04:03] <jtatum> stay back, it's mine! haha
[04:03] <nUboon2Age> i get hardly ANY time on-line right now so i NEED to delegate akk
[04:04] <nUboon2Age> and by the way, i talked to you at the one you came to so you can't say NO ONE talked to you. :-) akk
[04:04] <akk> I don't mind sending email reminders for SJ ... I just don't want to be responsible for being there every time.
[04:04] <nUboon2Age> well how about MV then akk
[04:04] <nUboon2Age> ??
[04:05] <akk> I thought you said jtatum was doing that? But I plan to be there when I can.
[04:05] <nUboon2Age> i might be able to persuade jtatum to switch.  i need someone to ADOPT a meeting.  all the way,. akk
[04:06] <akk> If nobody's that interested in adopting SJ, maybe it's a sign that we're spreading ourselves too thin and should concentrate on MV?
[04:06] <nUboon2Age> its not like i won't come to it akk, i'll keep coming.  btw i was the ONLY one at MV AND SJ last month
[04:06] <nUboon2Age> wrong akk
[04:06] <nUboon2Age> its a sign that we need to delegate
[04:06] <akk> nUboon2Age: Hey, d and I were the only ones in MV the month before that, at least for the first 45 min. :)
[04:07] <nUboon2Age> take it from me akk i've been organizing events for many a year.  i know whereof i speak.
[04:07] <nUboon2Age> yeah and what do all  the low-turnout event have in common akk?
[04:07] <nUboon2Age> i'll tell you what they have in common.
[04:07] <nUboon2Age> no publicity
[04:08] <akk> Right. But a monthly announcement with a list of dates would help a lot.
[04:08] <nUboon2Age> as i said with a broken arm and many other probs getting time on-line i haven't been able to do proper PR. akk
[04:08] <nUboon2Age> that says zero about the viability of the meeting akk
[04:08] <nUboon2Age> it just says i haven't been able to do the PR and need to delegate.
[04:08] <nUboon2Age> so i'm asking for your help akk
[04:09] <akk> So what kind of PR are you trying to get people to do, if not email announcements?
[04:10] <nUboon2Age> adopting a meeting means #1 being committed to show to the meeting #2 create an event on our events list and on the forums #3 announce it here #4 send e-mail reminder akk
[04:11] <pleia2> I typically send out an email announcement (sometimes cross post to other lists who said I could announce Ubuntu Hours on their lists), update the california.ubuntuforums.org thread about hours, create a loco.ubuntu.com entry for it and then nudge myself to update identi.ca/ubuntucalifornia (which x-posts to twitter)
[04:11] <nUboon2Age> i'm not 'trying to get' anyone to 'do PR'.  i'm asking people to step up and adopt a meeting akk
[04:11] <pleia2> we have a facebook group too, but facebook confounds me :)
[04:11] <nUboon2Age> yes and the beauty is that when you are only dealing with a single meeting per month you could really go to town and e-mail many different lists and tweet and identi.ca, facebook, etc.
[04:12] <akk> I have a FB account, but I'm completely confused how group accounts are supposed to work.
[04:12] <nUboon2Age> but that's really only possible when you have only a single meeting to work on akk
[04:12] <rww> pleia2: it's a page now. this has not notably changed how often it's updated, though.
[04:12] <akk> Joining groups doesn't seem to put announcements from the group into your news feed or whatever it's called.
[04:12] <pleia2> rww: groups, pages, I don't actually know the difference :\
[04:13] <rww> Pages are more confusing.
[04:13] <nUboon2Age> yeah i haven't figured out all the FB stuff yet, but i'm planning on using Gwibber to help me get it done.  awesome app. akk
[04:14] <akk> I tried to use gwibber and it was even more confusing than the FB web interface (probably it's better now).
[04:14] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: back off a little please? she said she can't commit to full responsibility going to every one and that she just wants to help, surely that's useful too?
[04:14] <akk> Thanks! pleia2
[04:15] <pleia2> which reminds me, if others want to help keeping identi.ca updated, please let me know, I'm clearly awful at it :)
[04:15] <akk> Speaking of confusing web interfaces ... I have an identi.ca account but could never figure out how to post anything.
[04:15] <nUboon2Age> so tonight at Ubuntu Hour SJ i spoke with Sebastian who is a CS student at SJSU and one of his profs had *required* that everyone add another OS to their computer (in his case Ubuntu!!!) and he gave me some names of profs to contact to get this Ubuntu Hour connected w/ SJSJ
[04:16] <akk> Strangely, people are following me there even though I have no updates.
[04:16] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: thank you but you have your style and i have mine.
[04:16] <akk> nUboon2Age: That's great!
[04:16] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: mine is a little less gentle than yours but if you really watch me in action you'll come to trust that i do back off when i need to.
[04:17] <pleia2> identi.ca's interface confuses me too, I always end up clicking around a bit after logging in
[04:18] <akk> The other one I can't figure out is diaspora.
[04:18] <akk> Even with names of people I know are on it, I can't figure out how to find them and connect to them.
[04:19] <akk> I really want to support the open sites instead of FB/twitter ... but I think I'm not smart or technical enough to use them! :)
[04:19] <nUboon2Age> okay we're going to move over to Pizza My Heart now... catch you in a few.
[04:19]  * rww sighs
[04:19] <pleia2> I didn't even bother with diaspora, I'm only really on facebook so my non-techie friends and family can find me, and they aren't on diaspora :)
[04:19] <pleia2> my techie friends know how to contact me properly
[04:20] <rww> email?
[04:20] <akk> IRC?
[04:21] <crashsystems> I wish more people were on diaspora
[04:21] <rww> akk: that too. Anything created after I learned to talk is too newfangled!
[04:21]  * akk logs in to diaspora, and discovers there's a request from 3 days ago that it never bothered to email me about
[04:22] <akk> but it's from somebody I've never heard of about something I know nothing about, hmm
[04:22]  * crashsystems is on https://joindiaspora/crashsystems
[04:23] <pleia2> yeah, mostly email and IRC (but I do have my phone number online too)
[04:56] <nUboon2Age> Byron joined us at Pizza My Heart.
[04:57] <jtatum> Good news, everyone: Mountain View Ubuntu Hour, Thursday 2/17. See your email or any of the other ten thousand places I spammed it for details and such
[05:11] <nUboon2Age> If a group adopts a scarcity mentality and only works on the basis of the current membership and who they have right now its very unlikely they will grow very much.  akk,
[05:11] <nUboon2Age> whereas if we approach things from an Abundance mentality the sky is the limit.
[05:12] <nUboon2Age> Scarcity keeps us locked in fear-based limitations
[05:12] <nUboon2Age> Abundance allows us to expand without many limits.
[05:12] <nUboon2Age> If we say we are only going to run as many Ubuntu Hours as we currently can support we will not get very far.
[05:13] <nUboon2Age> if instead we adapt a huge vision of Ubuntu Hours in every city and operate accordingly then we can exceed all expectations.
[05:13] <nUboon2Age> but delegation is the key
[05:14] <nUboon2Age> each Ubuntu Hour needs its own leadership who then make sure the PR happens and the relations stay good with the venue operators.
[05:15] <nUboon2Age> organizing events is my forte.  i've been doing if for many, many years and i've had enormous success.  These things i pass along are based on my expertise.
[05:16] <nUboon2Age> all it takes to get an Ubuntu Hour going initially is one committed individual who is willing to be at least enough outgoing to talk to others.
[05:18] <nUboon2Age> As long as one is willing to talk to strangers about something you are enthusiastic about you can be successful at starting an Ubuntu Hour or Lindependence Hour.
[05:19] <nUboon2Age> If you are kindy not so enthused about Ubuntu per se, then i encourage you akk to do it as a Lindependence Hour instead so you don't feel obligated to push Ubuntu, but open to whichever distro suits your fancy.
[05:19] <nUboon2Age> s/kindy/kinda
[05:20] <jtatum> haha
[05:20] <jtatum> nUboon2Age got quiet
[05:20] <jtatum> turns out he was writing a wall of text :)
[05:21] <akk> :) jtatum
[05:22] <nUboon2Age> :-)
[05:31] <MarkDude> nUboon2Age, I agree that having a mentality of *abundance* is a great way to proceed :)
[05:32]  * kdub will accept any & all help for san diego organizing :)
[05:35] <nUboon2Age> yup, MarkDude, Lindependence Hours everywhere!  Abundance!
[05:36] <nUboon2Age> yeah kdub!!!
[05:37] <nUboon2Age> maybe Flannel would help your kdub(???)
[05:37] <nUboon2Age> and how about DarkwingDuck kdub?
[05:37] <MarkDude> Create a wiki page for it kdub SD has people
[05:38] <nUboon2Age> great idea MarkDude, kdub
[05:38] <kdub> well, i've been organizing a few meetings, but i'm not very good at promotion i guess
[05:39]  * MarkDude knows a thing or two about promotion
[05:39] <nUboon2Age> wiki page for Ubuntu Hour SD kdub.  if you don't have access to the wiki yet kdub, pleia2 can help you with that, or DarkwingDuck for that matter or Flannel.
[05:39] <kdub> i think we've done 3 san diego hours already
[05:39] <rww> Everybody with an LP account has access to the wiki.
[05:39] <nUboon2Age> yes MarkDude does!!!
[05:39] <MarkDude> some might say tooo much ;)
[05:40] <kdub> but our max attendance was 4 :P
[05:40] <nUboon2Age> i thought to make team pages we needed some extra permission rww. no?
[05:40] <rww> nUboon2Age: no
[05:40] <MarkDude> kdub, half full glass much?
[05:40] <nUboon2Age> that's good to know rww.  ty for pointing that out.  i didn't realize that.
[05:40] <MarkDude> 4 people is enough to start a revolution
[05:40] <nUboon2Age> 4 people rocks kdub, i agree with MarkDude
[05:40] <rww> not technically, anyway. if there are social requirements, I'm unaware of them.
[05:41] <MarkDude> well that and/or beer/coffee
[05:41] <kdub> oh yeah, i'm hopeful about it, have a half-baked svg i was going to send to kinkos for copies
[05:41] <kdub> plus, i think we can meet downtown at the huge panera bread in the middle of the city
[05:41] <nUboon2Age> a single committed person can get it rolling initially and inspire a ripple effect, snowballing into something huge kdub.
[05:42] <kdub> oh yeah, i saw the michigan loco start up
[05:42] <kdub> and really, ubuntu is how i keep passionate about computers, sometimes work takes too much outta you :P
[05:44] <kdub> oh, and i have a handful of brewery-restaurant type of places that i'd feel safe bringing a computer
[05:44] <kdub> gotta call the management and see how comfortable they are with that though :P
[05:45] <nUboon2Age> sure kdub.  it sounds like you are on the right track.
[05:46] <MarkDude> kdub, not to sound all Ubuntuish but, by doing some of these geek events I have gained some real good friends
[05:46] <MarkDude> My events that have had the highest attendance are not somehow the best
[05:47] <nUboon2Age> goodnight y'all
[05:48] <MarkDude> later nUboon2Age
[05:49] <kdub> night nUboon2Age
[06:36] <iheartubuntu> testing out operas new built in mail program. its sleek. reminds me a bit like postler (which im interested in trying).
[16:22] <iheartubuntu> guten tag
[16:24] <iheartubuntu> so ive been mentioning Opera browser and testing it the last couple days. But someone told me its closed source?
[16:25] <iheartubuntu> if browsers were women... http://thenextweb.com/2009/03/16/browsers-women/
[16:28] <jdeslip> Meego is dead ...
[16:29] <jdeslip> http://goo.gl/9xhou
[16:30] <jdeslip> A bit of a sad day for linux. Presumably this means the Linux end-user ecosystem is now split into two (for 99% of users): Android and Ubuntu.
[16:31] <jdeslip> It'll be interesting to see if Ubuntu can fill in some of the roles Meego was targeting - tablets, in-vehicle systems etc...
[16:46]  * MarkDude knows some folks at Nokia that are most likely not too happy with all of this
[16:48] <jamiedmattingly> i like the women browser thing lol iheartubuntu i think i might have dated the ie girl lol
[16:48] <DarkwingDuck> I'm more worried about the Qt thing then the meego side of things.
[16:49]  * MarkDude thinks there are a few less known browsers that could have just been hot nerd girls
[16:49] <jdeslip> Ya, Nokia laying off most of the Linux devs affects a lot more than just Meego
[16:49] <MarkDude> Elinks, for example
[16:49] <DarkwingDuck> KDE and Kubuntu
[16:49] <DarkwingDuck> We are built on Qt
[16:49] <jdeslip> Well, KDE can fork Qt right?
[16:49] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, there was a transistion that started last year
[16:50] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: What transition?
[16:50] <MarkDude> Knut yrvin had his cards from Nokia
[16:50] <MarkDude> QT was crossed out
[16:50] <DarkwingDuck> Qt was crossed out of what?
[16:50]  * MarkDude did not think about that until now
[16:51] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, on his card
[16:51] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah...
[16:51] <DarkwingDuck> this is going ot hurt.
[16:51] <MarkDude> thats wierd - since Nokia could have made some without it
[16:51] <MarkDude> Knut *was* making a statemenet then
[16:51] <DarkwingDuck> jdeslip: I'm not sure... for Qt bugs we have to work with Nokia
[16:52] <MarkDude> I gathered there was some sort of gamble going on
[16:52] <DarkwingDuck> hence the reason we had 3 nokia Qt devs at UDS
[16:54] <DarkwingDuck> Well, the Qt devs seem to think that they will be okay for now.
[16:58] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, I found 1 person willing to help in SoCal
[16:58] <MarkDude> He will be in inland empire at least part time
[16:58] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[16:59] <MarkDude> Clint Savage from Fedora
[17:03] <DarkwingDuck> Will he be at Scale?
[17:03] <MarkDude> He will be pretty busy , but can meetup at Scale
[17:03] <MarkDude> Yep
[17:03] <DarkwingDuck> Becasue, while there I would love to have a improv meeting at scale.
[17:03] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: since you have put these on before and I have never attended one I would LOVE anything that you have to offer
[17:03] <MarkDude> So we can set up at least a coffee/drinks
[17:03] <MarkDude> Sure
[17:04]  * MarkDude is helping set up geeknics in Europe also
[17:04] <MarkDude> Socal- I know the area a bit better
[17:04] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: what day are you going to be down here?
[17:05] <MarkDude> Apparently Thursday- since 1 talk is early Friday
[17:11] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: maybe drinks/dinner/meeting friday night?
[17:11] <DarkwingDuck> I hvae plans for sat night already
[17:13] <MarkDude> He still is not sure when he wil be free
[17:14] <MarkDude> He thinks Im tryig to get him to be a main organizer
[17:14] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'm having dinner with some old friends that I have not seen in years on sat night.
[19:01] <iheartubuntu> nhaines what sort of topics are you thinking about for ubucon
[19:03] <jamiedmattingly> ubucon?
[19:06] <pleia2> nhaines: yay ubucon!
[19:07] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: nhaines wrote a mail to the list, and blogged about it here: http://nhaines.livejournal.com/58899.html
[19:10] <jamiedmattingly> oh thats at scale too huh?
[19:10] <pleia2> yeah, friday
[19:11] <jamiedmattingly> my wife will never let me go to la i had a hard enough time going to sf the other day lol
[19:12] <nhaines> pleia2: it was the best kind of notice from SCaLE... none whatsoever!  But that's what makes it fun.  :)
[19:12] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: Things that beginners would like.  I'm hoping to get three speakers (last year had 6, but we also had 5 weeks to plan).
[19:13] <nhaines> So in between I'll do open sessions.  I want to do one where we talk about setting up an Ubuntu computer for a kid.
[19:13] <nhaines> Like, early learning programs, office stuff, scientific stuff, what would you install, what do the programs look like, etc.
[19:13] <pleia2> nhaines: proposal sent, let me know if you need more details (it's pretty straight forward though :))
[19:14] <jamiedmattingly> that would be fun as well im trying to get my 9 year old daughter to use my ubuntu
[19:15] <jdeslip> nhaines: sent you a proposal. "Creating your first Ubuntu app with quickly".  If any programming at all is to advanced what what you have planned, I could do another subject if you need a speaker and have something in mind.
[19:16] <jamiedmattingly> she has been using windows since she was 6 so trying to get her on ubuntu isnt as easy as i would have hoped
[19:16] <nhaines> pleia2: I love it.  :)
[19:16] <nhaines> jamiedmattingly: book a ticket and she can give a presentation.  ;)
[19:16] <pleia2> \o/
[19:17] <nhaines> jdeslip: I walked through the Quickly tutorial last year.  It was very well received.
[19:17] <jamiedmattingly> my wife will never let me go to la although my daughter might like it
[19:17] <pleia2> my proposal was "Finding Help" (explaining to new users that they have forums, irc, google etc for learning about ubuntu)
[19:17] <nhaines> jamiedmattingly: bring your wife too.  ;)
[19:17] <pleia2> yeah, I'm dragging my boyfriend along ;)
[19:18] <jamiedmattingly> she hates computers except for face book :(
[19:18] <pleia2> my line was "even if you don't find anything on the schedule - we're in LA! go on adventures"
[19:18] <nhaines> jamiedmattingly: Also, although I was being snarky, three girls, 10, 11, and 13, I think, did give a presentation for the Women in Open Source track and it was standing-room only, overflow, and standing ovation afterwards.
[19:19] <pleia2> nice
[19:19] <jamiedmattingly> very nice nhaines
[19:19] <nhaines> In fact, if I hadn't been MCing the Ubucon thing I would have gone in.
[19:20] <nhaines> So snarky quips aside, I'd accept a younger presenter just as readily as an older one.
[19:32] <nhaines> Oh, also, if anyone here has already registered but wants to go to Ubucon (i.e., have the listing on your badge) just let me know your email address and I can get the registration updated.
[19:32] <nhaines> Or, first and last name works too.
[19:41] <nhaines> Ooh, snazzy: https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/special-events
[19:42] <pleia2> w00t
[19:49] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: david.wonderly@kubuntu.org
[19:49] <DarkwingDuck> Well wait... I'm getting a vendor badge... NM
[19:50] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: Vendor or exhibitor?  They can get those fields added too.  :)
[19:51] <DarkwingDuck> exhibitor
[19:51] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: I will actually have a working computer and be able to do a talk on KDE/Kubuntu this year.
[19:51] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: at Ubucon
[19:57] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: I'll draft up a little blurb for ya
[19:58] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: thanks!  :)
[19:58] <nhaines> That might actually be a good presentation.
[19:59] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[19:59] <nhaines> Err.. context-wise.  I'm sure the *presentation* will be good.  I meant I think it'll be a good fit.  :)
[20:00] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe.
[20:00] <DarkwingDuck> I knew what you were going for
[20:01] <MarkDude> nhaines, you did a great job with MC duties last year, IMHO
[20:01] <MarkDude> :)
[20:02] <nhaines> MarkDude: thanks!  I don't remember you being there but then I don't remember much of anything from last SCaLE... I never do afterward, haha.
[20:03]  * MarkDude spoke
[20:03] <MarkDude> had rww doubting I could do it in under 5 minutes
[20:03] <MarkDude> had 30 seconds to spare
[20:04] <DarkwingDuck> I remember a bit form Ubucon... My computer failed... there was that lightning talk about GRUB LOL
[20:09] <pleia2> doh :)
[20:13] <DarkwingDuck> It was... unique
[20:14] <jmgalloway> anyone know why the ubuntu freezes at the language selection screen?
[20:16]  * DarkwingDuck raises an eyebrow
[20:16] <DarkwingDuck> Total freeze or a delay?
[20:16] <jmgalloway> I've tried 2 cdr's and a dvd...It wont get past the language selection screen
[20:17] <DarkwingDuck> hmmmm, have you tried an ALT CD?
[20:17] <DarkwingDuck> Ubuntu 10.10?
[20:17] <nhaines> Check the MD5SUM on the ISO you downloaded.
[20:18] <jmgalloway> I'll check the checksum.  I assumed it was ok
[20:18] <jmgalloway> yea 10.10
[20:21] <MarkDude> pleia2, you were correct about bierte, he is a pretty cool person
[20:21] <pleia2> :D
[20:21] <MarkDude> very reasonable
[20:21] <MarkDude> Hella funny
[20:21] <pleia2> yeah he's awesome
[20:22] <MarkDude> He got a few jokes that JanC never understood
[20:23] <pleia2> did you get to meet him? he was plannin on coming to fudcon but couldn't make it
[20:23] <MarkDude> Not yet
[20:23] <MarkDude> He might be at OSCON
[20:23] <pleia2> cool
[20:24] <MarkDude> We are trying to see about getting all sorts of folks for this CLS also
[20:24] <pleia2> I first met him through paul mellors <3
[20:24] <pleia2> then he came out to UDS in Brussels
[20:24] <MarkDude> Paul is another cool person :)
[20:24] <pleia2> yes :) I heart him lots!
[20:24] <pleia2> haven't met though
[20:25]  * MarkDude already has some friends trying to get local non-profits to go to CLS'
[20:41] <DarkwingDuck> Hmmm, I may have to trim this presentation down a bit.
[20:52] <nhaines> There have been 22 SCaLE registrations with the UBUCA promo code thus far.
[20:58] <DarkwingDuck> AWESOME!
[20:58] <DarkwingDuck> I'm up to 33 slide ideas
[20:59] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: Will there be a computer hooked up to a projector?
[21:03] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: yes.
[21:03] <nhaines> And you'll have a over-the-ear loop mic.
[21:05] <DarkwingDuck> OO.org presentation or PDF correct?
[21:05] <nhaines> Correct.
[21:05] <DarkwingDuck> kk :)
[21:05] <nhaines> Oh, and if you want to show off Kubuntu and are bringing a computer we can use that.  :)
[21:07] <DarkwingDuck> :) Okay, I was just going to use screen shots and tell them if they want to use it they can come to our booth. :D
[21:08] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: you're free to do that as well.  :)
[21:08] <DarkwingDuck> Or see me afterward...
[21:08] <DarkwingDuck> Either or.
[21:09] <MarkDude> Tomorrow night 8:30pm the church of Jono will be having a loud music palooza in Concord
[21:09] <MarkDude> Severed Fifth will be at the Timeout
[21:10] <MarkDude> And most likely it will be myself and Dangerour grantbow
[21:21] <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=131088613622914
[23:27] <jdeslip> I just saw that there is now a vncviewer android app.  Works great with Ubuntu remote-desktop.
[23:27] <nhaines> It works okay.
[23:27] <nhaines> Input's a bit wonky sometimes.  :)
[23:27] <jdeslip> Took a bit of getting used to anyway ;)
[23:27] <jdeslip> But, I think I am going to use it as a remote mouse for my mythbox/media-box
[23:28] <jdeslip> Clicking seemed to be pretty robust.  Entering text was a bit more difficult
[23:34] <nhaines> It's pretty easy with a G1 or G2.  :)
[23:35]  * pleia2 misses the proper keyboard
[23:35] <pleia2> I haven't seen the g2 yet, I'm glad they came out with one
[23:37] <nhaines> It looks like a Nexus One with a slide-out keyboard.
[23:37] <nhaines> It's also very heavy.  :)
[23:38] <pleia2> I like heavy, the nexus s is all plasticy and not heavy, no likey
[23:38] <nhaines> Yeah, it feels like a nice, solid piece of kit.