[01:53] <bioterror> hey joe
[01:53] <MrChrisDruif> I love all those "testing" things :P
[01:54] <jmarsden> Maybe someone with appropriate powers could add a link to the Lubuntu Alpha2 ISO to the /topic of this channel?
[01:55] <JoeMaverickSett> hey bio
[01:55] <MrChrisDruif> Both the direct link AND the torrent :D
[01:56] <bioterror> jmarsden, you couple days ago said that i'm playing with fire if I use proposed and you're offering alpha2 which has some installation issues for people ;)
[01:56] <jmarsden> bioterror: For downloading and testing, not for production use on a workstation -- huge difference :)
[01:57] <jmarsden> bioterror: The point is that "where is the Alpha2 ISO" is becoming a frequently asked question, so a adding a link seems helpful to me.
[01:57] <jmarsden> It is more of a news item (Alpha2 was released, here it is) than a recommendation for real world use.
[01:58] <bioterror> jmarsden, just pip has asked ;)
[01:58] <jmarsden> Really?  Wasn't someone asking on the mailing list, or in -offtopic, or somewhere, recently?
[02:01] <MrChrisDruif> I've seen two requests if I'm not mistaken
[02:02] <bioterror> pip and you ;)
[02:04] <jmarsden> Well, #lubuntu is not an especially active channel... does two requests constitute a FAQ? :) :)
[02:04] <bioterror> I concider not
[02:04] <MrChrisDruif> Well....does that change the matter?
[02:05] <bioterror> and my 2cents is that if someone who is capable of running and using alpha, he is also capable to find it out too
[02:05] <MrChrisDruif> 2 people = 2 people right? :P
[02:05] <bioterror> I dont want to make anyone to think "oh here's alpha release, let's go for it!"
[02:06] <bioterror> and then screen is full of apport and he doesnt know what to do
[02:06] <MrChrisDruif> If he found it here....he'll know where to go for help right? ;)
[02:13] <bioterror> possible
[06:06] <negthorn> good morning
[06:11] <negthorn> does any of you have moved a linux distro from one partition to another
[06:11] <negthorn> ?
[06:21] <bioterror> I rather backup ~/ and do a installation than start playing
[06:23] <negthorn> I had some malfunctions at first boot ... but now everything is OK
[06:24] <negthorn> the thing I'm going to do
[06:24] <negthorn> is to delete my XP as just copy Lubuntu over it
[06:25] <negthorn> and I want to skip those malfunctions
[06:26] <negthorn> is there a way to do such a thing
[06:36] <bioterror> you can boot livecd, run gparted, remove windows partition and resize lubuntu partition
[06:37] <negthorn> yep, but there are 2 separate phisical drives
[06:38] <negthorn> here is it  (I'll draw now) :
[06:39] <negthorn> hd0 [ 10G WinXP ntfs][30G apps ntfs][30G files fat32]
[06:40] <bioterror> fat32 :G
[06:40] <negthorn> hd1 [38G ext4 Lubuntu][1G swap]
[06:40] <negthorn> yes
[06:41] <negthorn> why not ?
[06:41] <negthorn> fat16 supports only to 8G
[06:41] <negthorn> 32 has no limit
[06:43] <negthorn> whatever .... my idea is to delete both ntfs and replace them with "ext"-ed partition + swap
[06:44] <negthorn> and to try to copy/move the tux at that place
[06:45] <bioterror> you can start from 4GB filesize limit, nothing even close to journaling,  and was that
[06:45] <bioterror> just a moment
[06:46] <bioterror> fat32 has a bigger file allocation units than fo example ntfs
[06:47] <bioterror> negthorn, why not just make a new installation over XP, mount your old linux installation, move stuff from old ~/ to new ~/
[06:48] <negthorn> Oh! sHELL ...
[06:48] <negthorn> true ! ...
[06:49] <bioterror> you're welcome
[06:49] <negthorn> Now I'm realizing that all apps
[06:50] <bioterror> partition limit for FAT32 is 137GB
[06:50] <negthorn> are commonly installed in ~
[06:50] <bioterror> software is installed in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin usually in linux
[06:50] <negthorn> ha! I didn't know it
[06:51] <negthorn> and ....that is I want to keep
[06:51] <negthorn> may I 'cp' them too ?
[06:52] <bioterror> and how are you going to update them
[06:52] <bioterror> and all the libraries they require
[06:52] <negthorn> IDK  ..
[06:52] <negthorn> mmmhm ...
[06:52] <bioterror> why not just apt-get install <what ever is needed>
[06:53] <bioterror> takes like 20mins
[06:53] <bioterror> and since you dont have exact same size disks, you cant dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sda
[06:54] <negthorn> you're right, but I like experimets (exept the case I'm here)
[06:54] <negthorn> aha ...
[06:55] <negthorn> it means - "don't try this at home (/home) "
[06:56] <bioterror> if I were you, I would buy a bigger disk than 70GB
[06:56] <bioterror> and use it
[06:58] <negthorn> this machine is 7 y.o. the only up I've made is to put this 70G HDD and 256MB RAM (total 512)
[06:59] <bioterror> okay
[06:59] <bioterror> trash that XP, make some more space in other drive so that you can get rid of FAT32
[07:00] <negthorn> 'cause there are all my files
[07:00] <negthorn> (personaly created)
[07:00] <negthorn> for anything else - I don't care
[07:02] <negthorn> and 'cause Iknow that fat is visible form all normal distros - I made this space "fat"
[07:02] <bioterror> seems like you havent heard of NTFS-3G
[07:02] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS-3G
[07:05] <negthorn> hah! thanks for the info but I've never before used Linux seriously ... mean - installsome. try it, then remove ... and when I decide - Install something else ...
[07:09] <negthorn> I was looking for "my" distro ..
[07:11] <negthorn> there is nothing more beautyful than to Install XP
[07:11] <negthorn> twice a week
[07:12] <negthorn> in a period of a half year
[07:14] <negthorn> whatever ... I'll not experiment with copying ...
[07:14] <negthorn> thanks for everything
[07:14] <negthorn> must go
[11:23] <kosaidpo-|> hello world
[11:24] <kosaidpo-|> after installin lubuntu 10.10 nad upgrade it i lost my windows entry in the grub menu
[11:27] <bioterror> kosaidpo-|, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[11:27] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: okies tnx
[11:36] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: i aleady tied that last night
[11:36] <kosaidpo-|> n still not wokin
[11:37] <bioterror> and is there somekind of error message
[11:37] <kosaidpo-|> when i launch os-prober it return the windows but not when i do update grub
[11:38] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: no no errors eturned at all :P
[11:39] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: http://pastebin.com/5E2fNjxP
[11:41] <kosaidpo-|> any idea why it doesnt work bioterror
[11:43] <bioterror> this doesnt make sense
[11:44] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: btw to let you kno this hapaned jst after th upgrade
[11:44] <kosaidpo-|> after the upgrade
[11:44] <bioterror> I'll reboot
[11:46] <kosaidpo-|> ill do too mybe the wnidowns enty decide to show up who knows :D
[11:48] <bioterror> haha
[11:49] <bioterror> 10.10 doesnt have os-prober, so it's not run on installation
[11:49] <bioterror> I had to install and run it, works like a charm
[11:51] <bioterror> Timo, cant you put your password for server password?
[11:51] <bioterror> kosaidpo-|, did you get it?
[11:51] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: noo :P
[11:51] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: iread somewhere on the web that ican add manuley that entry can you pls link me to some ressource
[11:52] <bioterror> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/566274/
[11:52] <bioterror> mine
[11:52] <bioterror> ~% sudo blkid                        .:13:52:30 on 11-02-12:.
[11:52] <bioterror> [sudo] password for sad157:
[11:52] <bioterror> /dev/sda1: LABEL="Windows" UUID="3EE0E0DEE0E09D81" TYPE="ntfs"
[11:53] <bioterror> replace that UUID in that with your own
[11:54] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: and wht file shud i edit to add the entry
[11:54] <bioterror> guess
[11:55] <kosaidpo-|> memu.list or sumthin
[11:55] <kosaidpo-|> in the boot/grub dir right ?
[11:55] <bioterror> menu.list is for legacy grub
[11:55] <bioterror> grub.cfg and /boot/grub/
[11:55] <bioterror> you got it right! ;D
[11:55] <kosaidpo-|> okies thnx bioterror
[11:56] <kosaidpo-|> but how can i get my uid ??
[11:57] <bioterror> I gave you command 5 mins ago
[11:57] <kosaidpo-|> got it
[12:01] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: i added the windows pat in the end of the file
[12:04] <bioterror> good
[12:04] <bioterror> then reboot
[12:04] <bioterror> dont run update-grub
[12:04] <kosaidpo-|> ahh okies
[12:04] <kosaidpo-|> i was abt to ask
[12:21] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: it doesnt wok
[12:21] <kosaidpo-|> :P
[12:21] <bioterror> kosaidpo-|, did you get that menu entry?
[12:21] <kosaidpo-|> noo
[12:21] <bioterror> okey
[12:22] <bioterror> then update-grub
[12:22] <bioterror> and reboot
[12:22] <kosaidpo-|> thees no risque runin it ??
[12:22] <bioterror> why would be
[12:22] <lksdjfgl> Are there any printer problems specific to lubuntu?
[12:23] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: im jst womdein and run it and still doesnt appear after updatin
[12:23] <bioterror> MrOne, what kind of problems?
[12:23] <bioterror> kosaidpo-|, run update-grub
[12:23] <MrOne> I have a printer and it shows up as if drivers have been found but then when I print a test page
[12:24] <MrOne> it is added to the print list
[12:24] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: did it and still no succes with that windows entry
[12:24] <MrOne> then vanishes without a page printing
[12:24] <bioterror> MrOne, related to GRUB
[12:24] <bioterror> asdasdasd
[12:24] <bioterror> CUPS
[12:24] <MrOne> really?
[12:24] <MrOne> what can I do?
[12:24] <bioterror> check launchpad with your printer?
[12:26] <bioterror> kosaidpo-|, you have not booted after running update-grub
[12:26] <kosaidpo-|> noo
[12:26] <kosaidpo-|> i jst read hee thati shud add custom entry to this ect/grub.d/40_custom 
[12:26] <bioterror> why
[12:26] <kosaidpo-|> ill try it first : ]
[12:26] <bioterror> that's where I have my entry
[12:26] <bioterror> not in there
[12:27] <kosaidpo-|> why didnt eboot yet ?? or why i ll add it
[12:27] <bioterror> add that windows menu entry after memtest 86
[12:27] <bioterror> run update-grub
[12:27] <bioterror> and reboot
[12:27] <kosaidpo-|> well now i added the entry to /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[12:27] <kosaidpo-|> ok
[12:28] <bioterror> and you've double checked the uuid?
[12:28] <bioterror> it does match?
[12:30] <MrOne> bioterror: Is there nothing I could have messed up at my end?
[12:31] <bioterror> MrOne, I dont think so
[12:31] <kosaidpo-|> m checkin now bioterrorq
[12:31] <kosaidpo-|> ill let u kno : ]thnaks
[12:42] <kosaidpo-|> bioterror: can i re-make an grub.cfg ??
[12:42] <bioterror> what
[12:43] <bioterror> make .cfg.bak and run os-prober and update-grub
[12:43] <kosaidpo-|> i guess i messed up my grub.cfg
[12:43] <kosaidpo-|> ok
[12:43] <bioterror> how can you mess it up
[12:44] <bioterror> if you just add few lines below memtest
[12:44] <bioterror> which I gave you on a silver platter
[12:45] <kosaidpo-|> cus i mistakes things i guess
[12:45] <kosaidpo-|> i copied he wrong portion
[12:46] <bioterror> but laters
[12:46] <bioterror> I'm off, going out
[12:46] <bioterror> to catch some fresh air
[12:46] <kosaidpo-|> okies have fun
[12:46] <kosaidpo-|> peace out
[12:46] <kosaidpo-|> n tnx
[12:46] <bioterror> been helping people whole morning n day :D
[12:48] <MrChrisDruif> Good going bioterror :D
[12:48] <MrChrisDruif> We love people like you around :D
[13:14] <NRWlion> hello every1
[13:15] <NRWlion> need help ^^ just installed Lubuntu this morning and failed to set Teamspeak Soundsettings... anybody there to help me out? I am returning to linux after working with MS because my system doesnt work properly
[13:16] <MrChrisDruif> TeamSpeak? That's like Mumble right?
[13:17] <NRWlion> ähm... havent any clue what mumble is *laugh*
[13:17] <NRWlion> teamspeak is a voip client
[13:17] <MrChrisDruif> Me for TeamSpeak....but TeamSpeak is for having audio conversation during gaming etc.?
[13:17] <NRWlion> richt
[13:17] <NRWlion> right
[13:18] <MrChrisDruif> Well...Mumble does the same O:-)
[13:18] <NRWlion> am i able to access a teamspeak server with mumble?
[13:19] <MrChrisDruif> That...I don't know :)
[13:19] <NRWlion> already asking google ;)
[13:19] <MrChrisDruif> :D
[13:19] <MrChrisDruif> I love those n00bs that can do their own google searches :D
[13:20] <NRWlion> noobs are greenhorns right?
[13:20] <NRWlion> sorry my english isnt that good :/
[13:21] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, they are...(I'm still a n00b thou O:-))
[13:22] <MrChrisDruif> Where are you from NRWlion?
[13:22] <NRWlion> Good old Germany
[13:22] <MrChrisDruif> Hai neighbor :) I'm from Holland :D
[13:22] <NRWlion> goede middag
[13:22] <MrChrisDruif> Dankuwel :D
[13:23] <MrChrisDruif> Insgelijk
[13:23] <NRWlion> im able to speak it but writing and reading are horrible ^^ so if you dont mind, i keep on english ;)
[13:24] <MrChrisDruif> As this is an English channel I was about to say it :)
[13:24] <NRWlion> ive been to holland for nearly half of my life to spend my vacations there
[13:26] <MrChrisDruif> Alright....so our conception that German like our beaches is pretty spot on :)
[13:27] <NRWlion> well always went to a little camping spot called Hylpen
[13:27] <NRWlion> need to leave for the moment to get lunch with family
[13:28] <NRWlion> but as i do like lubuntu more and more, i will return after this weekend to maybe help with german translations ,)
[13:51] <leszek> hi
[13:51] <MrChrisDruif> Hai leszek :)
[13:55] <NRWlion|LUNCH> re
[13:55] <NRWlion|LUNCH> bin gone for the weekend
[13:55] <NRWlion|LUNCH> have a nice1 every1
[14:17] <kosaidpo-|> hello guys i cant make it to wok
[14:18] <kosaidpo-|> i ve tried to add an  entry to my grub list manuelly but no succes
[14:19] <kosaidpo-|> i've added this to my /etc/grub.d/40_custom but it doesnt wok when i do update-grub
[14:44] <kosaidpo-|> hello again
[14:44] <kosaidpo-|> phillw: the way u showed didnt work too :P
[14:46] <phillw> kosaidpo-|: I'm stuck. I do not dual boot. if you are patient on here - or ask on the mailing list one of those who dual boot will help you.
[14:46] <kosaidpo-|> phillw: sure im still here and thanks :D
[15:04] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: i have three Os working including Lubuntu 11.04 alpha. Can u summarize your problem to me? i may help.
[15:05] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: hii : ]
[15:05] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Hi
[15:05] <kosaidpo-|> well after a lubuuntu upgrade i lost my windows entry in grub
[15:05] <kosaidpo-|> and i kind of tried all ways ic ud find in the net
[15:06] <kosaidpo-|> the os-prober one n added the portion code to the 40_custom file but doesnt work idk wht im doin wing when i did those ways
[15:06] <kosaidpo-|> :P
[15:08] <wolfpack> Cann u paste the output of sudo fdisk  -l
[15:08] <wolfpack> paste it in pastebin
[15:10] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: ^
[15:11] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: okies
[15:12] <kosaidpo-|> http://pastebin.com/vy5bFmrv wolfpack
[15:12] <kosaidpo-|> here you go dude
[15:13] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: soy thats blkid im sorry
[15:14] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: no problem :)
[15:14] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: here you go http://pastebin.com/3zBHkSmd im srry
[15:16] <wolfpack> Also paste output of update-grub
[15:18] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: u got me ?
[15:18] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Which is other linux distro u have installed
[15:18] <wolfpack> ?
[15:19] <kosaidpo-|> jst lubuntu n windows thats all
[15:19] <wolfpack> Your partition table is showing 2 linux distro
[15:21] <kosaidpo-|> uhmm :P well i have only dual boot tho
[15:21] <kosaidpo-|> ahh i have the home sperated
[15:22] <kosaidpo-|> uhm i jst noticed too thats weird
[15:23] <kosaidpo-|> the extended one  its /home and sda6 its the / but the sda7 idk it :P
[15:24] <wolfpack> You can try this . It has worked lot of time for me : sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/sda5 /dev/sda
[15:25] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: replace sda5 with your linux partition
[15:25] <wolfpack> oh sooru I copied wrong commnad
[15:25] <wolfpack> sorry *
[15:26] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Do not use the above command
[15:26] <kosaidpo-|> sda5 its the swap
[15:26] <kosaidpo-|> okies im not
[15:28] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: wht cmmd wud i use /
[15:28] <kosaidpo-|> ?
[15:32] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[15:32] <kosaidpo-|> i use this one ?
[15:33] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Yes, You can try this as it worked for me once :)
[15:33] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: well done ; ]
[15:33] <kosaidpo-|> and  now wolfpack
[15:34] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: type sudo update-grub
[15:35] <kosaidpo-|> done but still cannnot see the windows entry btw i got this
[15:35] <kosaidpo-|> http://pastebin.com/f5E2ixKa
[15:36] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: It hasd worked for me
[15:38] <kosaidpo-|> :P it didnt for me
[16:22] <pip__> so Lubuntu 10.10 is on this month's Linux Format cover disc - sweeeeeeeeeeeet
[16:27] <leszek> nice
[16:35] <bioterror> what a shame that the default installation is far from complete :(
[16:46] <esing> hi
[16:46] <esing> apache2 installed here but when running localhost it says no permisson to access /index.php
[16:46] <esing> i deleted the index.html which was in there before tho
[16:47] <esing> i tried to set chmod for the whole www folder to 755 and 777 but neither works
[16:48] <kosaidpo-|> esing: make sure its owned by root or www-data im not sure if not ucan install lampp via tasksel
[16:50] <bioterror> public_html and root www are 755
[16:55] <esing> ????????????????????ß
[16:55] <esing> what do you mean "owned by root" or owned by www-data?
[16:55] <bioterror> www-data
[16:56] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Did you had a fresh installtion of lubuntu and then tried to upgrade its packages ?
[16:56] <kosaidpo-|> wolfpack: yesh
[16:56] <esing> well i put www to 755
[16:56] <esing> then even to 777
[16:56] <esing> but nothing happens
[16:57] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Then I think during installtion you have specified incorrect boot point.
[16:57] <kosaidpo-|> yeh i guess so cus i have an extended partion in it two partition and now im wondein how ican fix it
[16:59] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Well I did the same thing by mounting boot point at my other linux distro partition. I had to reinstall the lubuntu :(
[17:00] <wolfpack> kosaidpo-|: Do you have any important data on lubuntu ?
[17:00] <kosaidpo-|> :P thats the hard part and tnx tho
[17:06] <phillw> esing: I do tire of this... read and use http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=119 I held a classroom a while back, the information on the internet that you will have used is just wrong.
[17:07] <phillw> It really does annoy me that people have incorrect instructions up on sites.
[17:09] <esing> mhm
[17:09] <esing> I even tried to add the www directory to apach2.conf but it still doesnt work
[17:09] <esing> imho a program should work after installation without configuration ^^
[17:11] <phillw> esing: if you use tasksel, it will 'work out of the box', that is what tasksel is there for.
[17:31] <esing> gosh
[17:31] <esing> taskel doesnt exist on my os
[17:34] <esing> "taskel command not found"
[17:35] <esing> phillw !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:35] <JoeMaverickSett> esing: it's "tasksel"
[17:36] <esing> yes
[17:36] <esing> it doesnt work
[17:36] <esing> in terminal i wrote it correct wise
[17:36] <phillw> esing:  sudo tasksel
[17:36] <esing> yes
[17:36] <esing> i did tihs
[17:36] <esing> phillw you use ubuntu 9.1 and not lubuntu?
[17:37] <phillw> esing: those notes were made via lubuntu!
[17:38] <esing> well then this is weird
[17:38] <esing> maybe this is a big bug in here
[17:38] <phillw> I've been asked to make a new new set for ubuntu standard version.
[17:38] <phillw> -new
[17:39] <esing> HMMM
[17:45] <esing> ive got to go off
[17:45] <esing> head is burning
[17:45] <esing> thx tho
[17:53] <arkanabar> anyone know how to bring up the menu bar in lxterminal? alternately, how to change lxterminal fonts?
[18:12] <arkanabar> anyone know how to bring up the menu bar in lxterminal? alternately, how to change lxterminal fonts?
[18:13] <bioterror> right click the terminal
[18:13] <bioterror> and choose preferences
[18:13] <bioterror> then display tab
[18:13] <bioterror> and there's a checkbox
[18:13] <bioterror> I believe it's the middle one
[18:14] <arkanabar> that's done it!  TYVM!
[18:14] <bioterror> np
[18:14] <bioterror> that was fast
[18:14] <bioterror> NEXT!
[18:14] <wolfpack> hahah :)
[18:30] <BR41N1> hello
[18:31] <wolfpack> BR41N1: hi
[18:31] <BR41N1> ^^
[18:32] <BR41N1> To answer to somebody, do you simply type the name and add ":" or do you click somewhere?
[18:34] <wolfpack> BR41N1: type few letter and press tab
[18:34] <BR41N1> wolfpack, oh, ok! Thanks a lot. (it gives me a coma though)
[18:35] <BR41N1> wolfpack: I changed it. Perfect
[18:35] <bioterror> I prefer nick,
[18:36] <BR41N1> bioterror: I prefer : =P
[18:36] <wolfpack> me too :P
[18:36] <BR41N1> I just installed Lubuntu and did an update. I need to reboot. brb