[02:54] <Adys> is there a package for libdrm-2.4.24?
[02:54] <durt> hey folks, any pointers to why I don't have 3d running anymore? (i915). And I do believe 'intel' is running ok from Xorg.0.log
[02:58] <Adys> durt: see link in /topic, it's a transition phase wrt xorg atm, lots of issues with 3d
[03:00] <durt> Adys, I see...explains what I'm seeing today, but I lost compiz quite some time ago... oh well.
[03:27] <gpc> !info libdrm2
[03:37] <Adys> Is the package plymouth-x11 still needed?
[03:37] <Adys> i see it's not marked as supported anymore
[03:47] <hv> is the window placement in the new compiz slightly screwed? the shadow of the windows seems to be treated like its border.
[03:48] <hv> or perhaps there is some configuration baggage from compiz 0.8 that is causing it?
[07:25] <twager> !nvidia
[07:41] <rxd> what's with with applications menu it disappears
[10:25] <Lynoure> hello.
[10:26] <Lynoure> My natty cannot find mpeg etc codecs, what repo / package are they from?
[10:26] <Lynoure> It proposes to install them and then does not find them
[10:26] <bazhang> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:26] <bazhang> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:28] <Lynoure> Yup, there we go. Thanks
[10:28] <bazhang> welcome
[11:57] <kklimonda> hey, did the nvidia power support sheduled for 2.6.38?
[11:57] <kklimonda> is*
[11:58] <kklimonda> I shall not change the sentence in the middle
[12:02] <om26er> where can I find unity-2d developers? is there an IRC ?
[12:02] <coz_> om26er,  #ayanta  I believe
[12:03] <coz_> wrong spelling
[12:03] <coz_> hold on
[12:03] <coz_> om26er,    #ayatana
[12:04] <coz_> om26er,  is there an issue you need to dicuss?
[12:04] <coz_> discuss
[12:04] <om26er> hmm -2d developers are there too ?
[12:04] <om26er> na
[12:04] <om26er> no issue just wanted to see the discussions and stuff, have not seen em in #ayatana
[12:04] <coz_> om26er,   that would be the place then
[12:05] <om26er> #ubuntu-arm
[12:05] <om26er> oops
[12:05] <coz_> :)
[12:06] <coz_> mm hey guys.  I did notice this  "fake"  gnome panel across the secondary monitor  ,, a bit  alarming at first...although I only did partial update because of the nvidia issue
[12:07] <coz_> I am also noticing...after logging in ..as things are starting up...the unity /gnome panel and the it being quickly overlayed by the classic gnome panel... also could be as a result of partial updates
[14:30] <root_> hello after I've installed updates via update manager ubuntu is not loading anymore
[14:31] <penguin42> how far does it get?
[14:32] <root_> also i have installed nvidia drivers, last message in console  says starting CUPS [OK] I'm writing from tty2
[14:33] <penguin42> ok, lets go back a step - what exactly did you do between it working and it stopping working?
[14:33] <root_> run update manager installed updates
[14:33] <root_> then installed nvidia driver and rebooted
[14:33] <penguin42> ok, so it's booted just X isn't starting?
[14:34] <root_> yes
[14:34] <penguin42> what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log have to say?
[14:35] <root_> NOUVEAU (0) : Closed GPU channel 2
[14:35] <root_> i've tried nvidia-xconfig and startx
[14:35] <root_> but it says that there is no /usr/bin/X
[14:36] <penguin42> I don't know much about the nvidia drivers; can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[14:37] <penguin42> there is a command line program called pastebiniit which should be able to do it for you
[14:37] <root_> how to do that from console is there any wgetpaste like prog?
[14:37] <root_> oh thanks
[14:40] <root_> paste.ubuntu.com/566318
[14:41] <root_> how i can try to manually start xorg? restarting gdm doesn't makes sence
[14:42] <penguin42> root_: OK, reading that log, it couldn't find the closed source nvidia module, and is trying nouveau
[14:42] <root_> how to fix that?
[14:43] <penguin42> root_: Not sure, I don't know the nvidia stuff (I use Intel and ATI) startx should work for trying X
[14:43] <penguin42> root_: I think you might  try jockey-text  to install the Nvidia driver
[14:44] <kklimonda> did nvidia release a working driver for new X
[14:44] <kklimonda> ?
[14:47] <root_> what driver is used by default?
[14:47] <root_> nouveau?
[14:47] <penguin42> root_: Yeh, it looks like it tries the closed source one, then nouveau, thenthe 2d nv then ood old fashoned fb
[14:49] <root_> if i will uninstall that closed source nvidia driver that shall help?
[14:49] <penguin42> root_: I'd try to get the basics working without that first
[14:50] <penguin42> root_: How did you install it?
[14:50] <root_> with additional drivers gui
[14:50] <penguin42> ok
[14:52] <root_> as i understand i shall remove that nvidia-current package and generated xorg.conf right?
[14:52] <penguin42> I think I'd use jockey-text to remove it
[14:53] <root_> sorry what is jockey-text?
[14:53] <root_> ah got it :)
[14:54] <penguin42> root_: The 'additional driver' gui is a front end to jockey
[14:54] <root_> it just searches drivers and returns nothing
[14:54] <penguin42> ok, then as you say, nuke the package
[14:54] <root_> no man page too
[14:54] <penguin42> and the xorg.conf
[14:55] <root_> i used "purge" option
[14:55] <root_> that's right?
[14:55] <penguin42> yeh
[14:55] <root_> penguin42: thank you very much for help, gonna reboot
[14:55] <penguin42> thank me when it works!
[15:01] <root_> removing nvidia-current and xorg.conf doesn't helped
[15:01] <root_> why on startx it says /usr/bin/X not found?
[15:02] <root_> and now console has higher resolution and can't parse cyrillic chars
[15:04] <penguin42> root_: Do you have the xserver-xorg package installed?
[15:04] <root_> it says no
[15:05] <root_> how to search with apt?
[15:05] <Daekdroom> sudo apt-cache search
[15:05] <root_> thanks
[15:05] <penguin42> not having xserver-xorg installed is odd
[15:09] <root_> xserver-xorg is in list when i try apt-cache search xserver-xorg --installed
[15:10] <root_> ah it's in /usr/bin/X11/startx
[15:10] <kklimonda> root_: apt-cache search --installed doesn't mean it's installed
[15:11] <kklimonda> see what apt-cache policy        --installed
[15:11] <kklimonda> argh
[15:11] <kklimonda> what apt-cache policy xserver-xorg returns
[15:12] <root_> 1:7.6~3ubuntu4 natty/main
[15:13] <root_> damn can't see letters
[15:13] <root_> smthing with codepage
[15:17] <root_> guys i'm sorry but could u tell what paste.ubuntu.com/566335 says about X server?
[15:19] <penguin42> root_: Could not start command /usr/bin/X -br -verbose
[15:19] <kklimonda> root_: what does ls -l /usr/bin/X return?
[15:20] <kklimonda> if you don't have this file then you don't have xserver-xorg properly installed.
[15:22] <penguin42> root_: What happens if you do apt-get install xserver-xorg
[15:26] <root_> kklimonda: no such file or dir
[15:26] <root_> damn i can't read output at all
[15:27] <kklimonda> launch bash with LC_ALL=C
[15:27] <kklimonda> LC_ALL=C bash
[15:27] <kklimonda> (which won't help, as I don't know which output you can't read)
[15:28] <root_> wow
[15:28] <root_> apt-cache says it's not installed
[15:29] <root_> apt-get install xserver-xorg shows list of packages that would be installed
[15:30] <root_> how that happend? I've got gnome fully installed and working, could nvidia-driver uninstalled xserver?
[15:30] <Daekdroom> Given that nvidia driver is currently broken, it's possible
[15:32] <penguin42> root_: Might be best to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop just to make sure you have the full set of normal stuff
[15:33] <root_> X started woohoo
[15:34] <root_> thank you much for help guys
[15:34] <penguin42> no prob
[15:36] <root_> emm maybe that sounds weird but i uninstalled ubuntu-desktop as dep of indicator-applet, could be the reason of missing xorg server? :D
[15:38] <penguin42> no, shouldn't take out xserver-xorg
[15:40] <root_> ok thanks
[15:57] <ImGangsta> !ops
[15:58] <tsimpson> fail
[16:53] <vish> tsimpson: goosh! he is such a bother.. atleast the tiniest of trolls have something to troll about :/
[16:54] <vish> maybe ops should just ignore his "!o-ps"
[16:54] <Daekdroom> vish, I don't think that a flashing window is easy to ignore.
[16:55] <Daekdroom> I recall this person that used !ops three times just to realize what it did, and then got kicked.
[16:56] <vish> Daekdroom: nah, he knows what he is doing. he has bee at it atleast twice in the past couple of weeks
[16:56] <vish> been*
[16:56] <tsimpson> they hit multiple channels multiple times, I don't think we should ignore that
[16:56] <vish>  it is totally redundant to just keep pinging ops, when you have nothing to troll about :/
[16:57] <vish> tsimpson: it seems it is his fun to just get banned.. so banning him only entices him more :)
[16:59] <tsimpson> maybe, but not banning him allows him to constantly disrupt channels
[17:00] <vish> maybe, yea..
[17:01] <penguin42> change the bot to do something more interesting for him?
[17:01] <BUGabundo> ohay
[17:02] <vish> bugabuga! ;)
[17:02] <BUGabundo> VISSSSHHHHH
[18:01] <pr0ph3t> anyone have problems with the microphone using empathy/telepathy over msn conversations?
[18:17] <Goog_Josh1> can anybody help me to install and run kylix 3 on my ubuntu 1010
[18:21] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> anyone having microphone issues with Natty?
[18:21] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> my laptop mic worked fine in maverick, but doesn't work in natty
[18:26] <nailora> i have some problems that the selected theme is not applied (except for window borders). any ideas?
[18:27] <nailora> http://nailor.devzero.de/oneshot/2011-02-12/Screenshot.png/8efd168320b79a12/Screenshot.png
[18:45] <coz_> nailora,  I have had this issue in the past  did you restart x and try again
[18:50] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> anyone having microphone issues with Natty?
[18:50] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> my laptop mic worked fine in maverick, but doesn't work in natty
[19:43] <Pici> Can someone confirm a gnome-terminal issue before I report a bug?
[19:43] <penguin42> what is it?
[19:43] <Pici> My g-t profile has the menubar off by default, but when I open g-t, its on, and the setting is unchecked in the menu itself.  I need to toggle the checkbox twice before it will turn the menubar off.
[19:46] <penguin42> well, for me if I turn it off in the profile and then open a new terminal the menubar is off
[19:46] <Pici> Hm.
[19:46] <Daekdroom> If I turn it off in the profile and open a new terminal, it's on :(
[19:46] <Daekdroom> Classic Gnome, btw.
[19:47] <Pici> me too. Okay.
[19:47] <Pici> oh, thats annoying too.  I just opened a new terminal, and the menu bar showed up there, and on my old terminal that I was using before.
[19:57] <nekoCAT> I just did a fresh install of Xubuntu daily.  First, its nice that the gtk resize handle on the desktop is gone.
[19:57] <nekoCAT> The multiple menu entries are gone as well.
[19:57] <Daekdroom> nekoCAT, The thing on the bottom right of every window?
[19:57] <Pici> bug #717859 logged
[19:57] <nekoCAT> No, there was a bug with the resize handle showing up on the corner of the desktop.
[19:58] <nekoCAT> That was fixed and I thank the developers for that.
[19:59] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[19:59] <Daekdroom> I recall it showing up in the gnome panel
[19:59] <nekoCAT> In this particular Xubuntu daily build, some of the shortcuts in the bottom panel are broken.
[20:02] <nekoCAT> The Firefox/Thunderbird launchers are just empty placeholders.
[20:03] <charlie-tca> report a bug for that against xfce4-panel
[20:03] <nekoCAT> charlie-tca: Okay, can do.
[20:06] <nekoCAT> jockey shows up in the systray without an icon.  Is this a known problem?
[20:07] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> anyone having microphone issues with Natty?
[20:07] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> my laptop mic worked fine in maverick, but doesn't work in natty
[20:07] <charlie-tca> yeah, sort of. Jockey has some issues since stuff is still broken
[20:08] <nekoCAT> Quick question, is it safe to install the nvidia drivers yet?  Has anyone tried?
[20:09] <charlie-tca> they are broken yet, as far as I know
[20:09] <nekoCAT> Thank you.  I will hold off on that then.
[20:10] <nekoCAT> I must be off.  I will report the panel icon bug in launchpad later today.
[20:11]  * penguin42 notes that xorg-edgers is broken on Radeon for me on Natty as of an update sometime in the last week
[20:12] <robin0800> penguin42, define broken please?
[20:12] <penguin42> robin0800: gdm won't render the login box properly - didn't get any further; logs full of 'r600_packet3_check:1330 invalid cmd stream 408'
[20:13] <penguin42> sorry, kdm
[20:13] <penguin42> sorry^2, gdm!
[20:13] <robin0800> penguin42, does r600 use gallium driver?
[20:14] <penguin42> robin0800: I don't know
[20:14] <robin0800> penguin42, do glxinfo will tell you
[20:15] <Daekdroom> r600 does not use gallium by default.
[20:15] <Daekdroom> (not even xorg-edgers)
[20:15] <penguin42> robin0800: I've dropped back to the standard natty packages and I don't see any sign of the word 'gallium' in glxinfo output
[20:15] <penguin42> what is Gallium?
[20:15] <penguin42> the card is an HD4350 rv710
[20:16] <Daekdroom> Gallium is some replacement for classic Mesa.
[20:16] <Daekdroom> r300 driver uses gallium by default already. Faster, better, smaller code.
[20:16] <Daekdroom> The mesa driver that uses gallium is called r300g. The one that uses classic mesa code is called r300 or r300c
[20:16] <penguin42> ah ok
[20:17] <robin0800> Daekdroom, only up to 500 I guess and has a tearing issue with compiz
[20:17] <Daekdroom> robin0800, r300 driver also handles r400 and r500 cards ;)
[20:18] <robin0800> Daekdroom, yes but it still needs some work I think
[20:19] <Daekdroom> robin0800, nah. r300g is way better than r300c at this point. r600c, on the other hand, is more stable than r600g, however slower
[20:20] <robin0800> Daekdroom, well I've got tearing in compiz with it
[20:27] <penguin42> oh dear - that's a good crash - it's stuck playing the last ~3 seconds of audio
[20:28] <hellyeah> ubuntu 11.10 exist ?
[20:28] <penguin42> repeatedly, in a loop saying 'move the bodies, No Doctor'
[20:30] <Pici> Which Doctor?
[20:30] <penguin42> Ducky
[20:31] <Pici> Oh that show.
[20:31] <penguin42> NCIS
[20:31] <Pici> Yeah, that show/.
[20:32] <penguin42> is not having a good day for video related issues
[20:41] <arand> hellyeah: no, all current development is happening on 11.04
[20:43] <Omega> "Preferred Applications" isn't detecting Opera as a browser
[20:44] <Omega> so I can't seem to set it as my default browser
[20:45] <penguin42> also seems to be kicing a few radeon_cs_ioctl *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation -35! crashes
[20:48] <ImGangsta> !ops
[20:48] <ImGangsta> im gangsta
[20:48] <ImGangsta> !ops
[20:53] <raknorak> hi there
[20:53] <raknorak> it's funny that the bug reporting tool, is unstable and crash by collecting details for a bug report :D
[20:58] <penguin42> ah that's not good - which one - KDE or gnome?
[20:59] <raknorak> gnome
[20:59] <penguin42> how did it crash?
[21:00] <raknorak> first did compiz crash, and after pressing send report the app itself crashing
[21:01] <raknorak> compiz crashes after clicking the ubuntu logo und the top left
[21:01] <raknorak> *on
[21:02] <penguin42> out of interest which graphics card?
[21:02] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> anyone having microphone issues with Natty?
[21:03] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> my laptop mic worked fine in maverick, but doesn't work in natty
[21:03] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> raknorak
[21:03] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> lol
[21:03] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> same thing happens to me
[21:03] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> i am using an asus laptop with intel graphics
[21:03] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> it crashes, and while i attempt to bug report i get like crash after crash and the screen fills up with boxes lol
[21:05] <raknorak> it's a macbook 2.1 with intel gma950
[21:06] <raknorak> and sometimes the window decoration disappears
[21:07] <raknorak> the application folder in unity 3d, is not scrollable with the touchpad (any other app works fine with that) und it's kinda laggy with scrolling with the scrollbar itself
[21:08] <penguin42> X does seem very flaky at the moment
[21:09] <raknorak> and it would be nice, that the toolbar on the left would not hide if a window comes to the border
[21:09] <raknorak> maybe as an option
[21:41] <Guest34735> the interface crashs if a flash video plays and banshee will start
[21:46] <penguin42> I don't seem to get anything logged to /var/log/messages any more - is everyone else seeing that?
[21:46] <Daekdroom> cat /var/log/messages doesn't display anything in here
[21:47] <penguin42> bug or feature?
[21:48] <Daekdroom> Who knows? *dun dun dun dun*
[22:03] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> will natty have gnome 3.0?
[22:03] <Daekdroom> Ibn_Ali_al-Turki, Yes, but its default desktop interface will be Unity instead of Gnome Shell
[22:04] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Feature - found the changelog comment
[22:04] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> Daekdroom thanks, i know that...but i was wondering if the classic desktop will be 3.0, or remain as 2.30
[22:04] <Daekdroom> Ibn_Ali_al-Turki, Classic Desktop will be 2.32, because 3.0 is Gnome Shell already, and that is not "Classic Desktop"
[22:05] <Daekdroom> Ibn_Ali_al-Turki, but I'd expect them to compile everything to GTK+3 if it's possible.
[22:05] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> thanks
[23:25] <lithpr> hi- i've tried to add the kubuntu backports repo, but am getting this error:  W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backportsv/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/source/Sources.gz  404  Not Found
[23:26] <Daekdroom> lithpr, why are you using a maverick PPA on a natty install anyway?
[23:26] <lithpr> i'm trying to get the natty updates into maverick
[23:26] <Daekdroom> lithpr, this is not exactly the channel for that
[23:27] <Daekdroom> lithpr, but what happens is: the link is wrong
[23:27] <lithpr> hmmm
[23:27] <Daekdroom> lithpr, there's a "backportsv" there. It's only backports
[23:27] <lithpr> Daekdroom: okay, thank you.  it is what got added with "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports"
[23:28] <lithpr> weird.   thank you Daekdroom, i will try changing that url
[23:44] <nekoCAT> I would just like to extend my support for the integration of gmusicbrowser in xubuntu.
[23:47] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[23:47] <charlie-tca> it is nice, isn't it?
[23:48] <nekoCAT> charlie-tca:  It is, and it recognizes and sorts the tags better than other music players I have tried.