[01:53] <Curisu_> Well I'm a total starter here when it comes to OS-es. Is there any directions or anything someone can give me to installing Ubuntu to run side by side with my Windows 7 OS?
[01:54] <bioterror> Curisu_, "install side-by-side"
[01:54] <bioterror> http://www.situsinformasiinternet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/How-to-Install-Ubuntu-3.png
[01:55] <Curisu_> Ah I see, thank you, I assume this is in the installer with the USB way of booting?
[01:56] <bioterror> yes
[01:57] <Curisu_> Alright, thanks much, I
[01:57] <Curisu_> I'll pop back in if I have any issues*
[01:57] <bioterror> :D
[01:57] <bioterror> you're welcome
[01:57] <Curisu_> See ya
[02:01] <johnny77> does anyone know what this means: ** (pcmanfm:2137): DEBUG: FmJob error: No such file or directory
[02:01] <bioterror> that there's no such file or directory
[02:02] <johnny77> but I only opened pcmanfm in my home directory.... it has to exist.
[02:02] <bioterror> if you see it in pcmanfm, then it should exist
[02:03] <johnny77> then why am I getting that error?
[02:05] <johnny77> Sometimes, I loose my right-click menu. Could it be saying that pcmanfm can't find the file that holds the menu?
[02:06] <bioterror> I bealive so
[02:08] <johnny77> would you have any idea on how to fix? it's quite annoying. Thank you.
[02:10] <bioterror> good question
[02:12] <bioterror> you can start with duplicating the problem
[02:12] <bioterror> reproduce it
[02:12] <johnny77> bioterror: What really confuses me is that it appears to happen randomly.
[02:12] <johnny77> I have no idea how to reproduce.
[02:13] <bioterror> that's the art of fixing problems ;)
[02:15] <Elise001> How do I send screenshots to this ubuntu-beginners?
[02:16] <aveilleux> Elise001: Take the screenshot, upload it to an image host like http://imgur.com/ , and give us the link
[02:16] <Elise001> I just took 2 pictures with my cel phone of the crazy screen on my notebook when I was downloading ubuntu updates.
[02:16] <Elise001> Thanks.
[02:19] <bioterror> paste | Elise001
[02:20] <JoeMaverickSett> !paste | Elise001
[02:20] <ubot2> Elise001: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[02:20] <jasono> Hello.
[02:20] <bioterror> haha
[02:20] <bioterror> I fail
[02:20] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[02:20] <jasono> My XChat isn't working. Can anyone please help me?
[02:20] <JoeMaverickSett> jasono: how is it not working? define please.
[02:20] <jasono> It's not connecting.
[02:20] <bioterror> and it usually says reason
[02:21] <JoeMaverickSett> jasono: do you see any errors? and such?
[02:21] <jasono> Hold on.....
[02:21] <JoeMaverickSett> just like bioterror said, it leave breadcrumbs.. ;)
[02:22] <jasono> * Connecting to chat.freenode.net (.1.1..1...1.1..6.1...1) port 8001...
[02:22] <bioterror> why you're not using SSL ports?
[02:23] <jasono> I don't know.
[02:23] <jasono> How do I do that?
[02:23] <bioterror> jasono, but that's not a reason
[02:23] <bioterror> All freenode servers listen on ports 6665, 6666, 6667, 7000(SSL Only), 7070 (SSL Only), 8000, 8001 and 8002. Please be aware that the below list is at no time authoritative, and as such our advice is to connect using chat.freenode.net.
[02:24] <jasono> bioterror It doesn't connect it doesn't connect, just says connecting.........
[02:24] <bioterror> is your dns working okay?
[02:24] <jasono> Yes
[02:24] <bioterror> and you've tried reconnecting
[02:24] <jasono> yup
[02:24] <bioterror> to take another server
[02:24] <jasono> I did
[02:25] <bioterror> hard to say why
[02:26] <jasono> It won't even let me add the ports. JUst takes me back to 8001
[02:26] <aveilleux> jasono: Open your server properties (ctrl+s)
[02:26] <jasono> I've done that.
[02:26] <aveilleux> On FreeNode, hit Efit
[02:26] <JoeMaverickSett> jasono: go to network list, edit the server (probably ubuntu server) change the port to 7000 (press enter after that) then check the "Use SSL for all servers"
[02:26] <aveilleux> Edit*
[02:27] <JoeMaverickSett> jasono: or if you don't want to use SSL, just change the port to 6667 and press enter.
[02:27] <JoeMaverickSett> and don't check the "Use SSl" stuff
[02:27] <aveilleux> jasono: http://i.imgur.com/9srqc.png
[02:27] <jasono> THis is actually the server irc.freenode.net/8001
[02:27] <aveilleux> jasono: This is what my server configuration looks like
[02:28] <aveilleux> jasono: There is no irc.freenode.net
[02:28] <jasono> THanks
[02:28] <JoeMaverickSett> jasono: use other port then.
[02:28] <aveilleux> jasono: Thaw would be why the connection fails
[02:28] <aveilleux> jasono: s/Thaw/That
[02:28] <bioterror> aveilleux, Sat04:28  weechat   irc.server.Freenode.addresses = "irc.freenode.net/7070"
[02:28] <bioterror> ;)
[02:28] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[02:29] <bioterror> aveilleux, be my guest: dig irc.freenode.net
[02:29] <aveilleux> bioterror: According to the server list ( http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml ), there is no irc.freenode.net
[02:29] <aveilleux> bioterror: Except over Tor
[02:30] <aveilleux> bioterror: "Our main server rotation is chat.freenode.net. IPv6 users can specify ipv6.chat.freenode.net. Pointers to freenode currently include irc.ghostscript.com, irc.gnu.org, irc.handhelds.org, irc.linux.org, irc.kde.org and irc.redhat.com."
[02:30] <aveilleux> bioterror: No irc.freenode.net
[02:30] <bioterror> aveilleux, do you trust some webpage or do you trust dns
[02:32] <aveilleux> bioterror: I trust the fact that pinging irc.freenode.net redirects to chat.freenode.net, and it only works over 6667 and 7070
[02:32] <Elise001> Please take a look at the 2 screenshots at http://elise01.imgur.com.
[02:32] <aveilleux> Elise001: "elise01 does not have any public albums! Sorry!"
[02:32] <aveilleux> Elise001: Just give us the direct links to the images
[02:32] <jasono> aveilleux Your config didn't work
[02:32] <Elise001> Let me see what I can do. I'm new to the site.
[02:33] <Elise001> Not sure what it is.
[02:33] <aveilleux> jasono: make sure you don't have conflicting settings elsewhere. I think Freenode comes preconfigured in XChat.
[02:33] <JoeMaverickSett> Elise001: are you familiar with Flickr or Picasa? if so, upload it there and give us the public link.
[02:34] <aveilleux> I hate Flickr and Picasa.
[02:35] <terrorinbio> *** Connecting to port 8001 of server irc.freenode.net [refnum 0]
[02:35] <aveilleux> Elise001: http://i.imgur.com/ZZmyZ.png
[02:35] <terrorinbio> seems to work
[02:36] <Elise001> I have used Picassa about a year ago.
[02:37] <jasono> http://imagebin.org/137474
[02:37] <jasono> THat's my config
[02:37] <andrew_46> jasono: Oddly enough I just tried freenode with xchat and could not make an ssl connection either
[02:38] <jasono> andrew_46 Great, then it's not me.
[02:38] <jasono> *Not only me.
[02:38] <aveilleux> jasono: Try 7070
[02:38] <aveilleux> jasono: I'm connected over SSL right now
[02:39] <Elise001> Uploading 2 scrrenshots to Picassa now.
[02:39] <jasono> DO I check bypass proxy>?
[02:39] <bioterror> no
[02:39] <Elise001> Uploaded.
[02:40] <andrew_46> jasono: Success with xchat for me was with irc.freenode.net and no ssl options ticked
[02:40] <bioterror> jasono, open terminal: and type: traceroute chat.freenode.net
[02:40]  * andrew_46 still prefers irssi......
[02:40] <jasono> okey
[02:40] <jasono> andrew
[02:40] <Elise001> i"m elise.scher01@gmail.com. Elise Scher
[02:40] <jasono> andrew_46 I'll try if it doesn't work.
[02:40] <aveilleux> Elise001: Just give us a link
[02:41] <jasono> says i have to install traceroute chat.freenode.net
[02:42] <Elise001> Please bear with me. What would the link look like on Picassa? I gave my email address above because I think it ties in with Picassa.
[02:42] <aveilleux> Elise001: I know nothing about Picasa, but it should give you a set of links with each image you upload.
[02:42] <Elise001> How do I make a link on Picassa?
[02:42] <aveilleux> Elise001: I pointed out above on Imgur, that's what you look for ( http://i.imgur.com/ZZmyZ.png )
[02:42] <andrew_46> jasono: http://www.andrews-corner.org/tmp/xchat.png
[02:43] <cagriemer> Elise001: go to your screenshot, on the right side you will seelink to this photo click on it and it will give you a link
[02:44] <andrew_50> Just checking this xchat connection :)
[02:45] <andrew_46> That felt a little wrong :(
[02:46] <Elise001> Try this:   http://imgur.com/Nx9wXT/   http://imgur.com/56pi8
[02:46] <bioterror> second works
[02:46] <bioterror> has some messed up screen
[02:46] <jasono> andrew_46 Didn't work. :(
[02:46] <Elise001> I don't care if use imgur or Picassa web, as long as you all can see the 2 photos.
[02:48] <Elise001> Yes, when updating ubuntu, after 1/2 hour or so, screen gets messed up. And I have to remove battery after unplugging and lose what have already downloaded. Frustrated.
[02:48] <bioterror> your laptop is compaq: something
[02:48] <Elise001> Does not happen with Windows XP when I run that on same machine.
[02:49] <Elise001> Yes, compaq.
[02:49] <bioterror> and the model
[02:50] <Elise001> Model P/N: AT8-C2(C Test)  1AT8B5UTP20   from sticker on bottom.
[02:52] <Elise001> Also says that this device has not met all regulatory approvals therefore cannot be offered for sale or lease. I got it at a silent auction for my step-daughter's school.
[02:52] <jasono> Hello?
[02:52] <jasono> irc
[02:52] <Elise001> As is.
[02:52] <jasono> XChat
[02:53] <Elise001> So I guess I'd better take the battery out, because I can't do anything with the Compaq with it like this.
[02:54] <Elise001> But I am IRCing from my Samsung netbook. I am afraid to load Ubuntu on it. I need at least 1 good working computer for my graduate classes.
[02:55] <bioterror> samsungs has own problems with buttons and suspends
[02:55] <Elise001> +biterror: Did the model number help?
[02:55] <Elise001> I mean bioterror and aveilleux.
[02:55] <bioterror> Elise001, nope. problem might be that it's a test model, so there's no userbase for it
[02:56] <cagriemer> Elise001:  Can you boot into Ubuntu on your Compaq?
[02:56] <Elise001> cagreimer: Yes.
[02:56] <cagriemer> Elise001:  Do you use a proprietary driver foCOuld you please check "System" --> "Administration" --> "Additional Drivers" and see if there is a driver available for your graphics card.
[02:57] <bioterror> cagriemer, problem is also totally slow download speed of updates
[02:58] <Elise001> bioterror: Yes, Compaq is slow in either ubuntu or windows.
[02:58] <cagriemer> bioterror:  maybe we can suggest a suitable mirror?
[02:59] <Elise001> cagreimer: I must remove battery, reboot in ubuntu, then tell you. Will take a while. Thanks to you and others.
[03:00] <andrew_46> jasono: Hmmm.... sorry, I am more of an irssi user than xchat :(
[03:02] <Elise001> modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.   and continues error msg twice per usual.
[03:02] <bioterror> someone has broken kernel
[03:02] <Elise001> Loging on to Ubuntu and got music.
[03:03] <Elise001> system->administration->additional drivers.
[03:03] <Elise001> Searching.
[03:05] <Elise001> Lots of words. Here goes: Proprietary drivers are being used to make this computer work properly.
[03:05] <bioterror> as clock is 05:05
[03:05] <Elise001> Proprietary drivers do not have public source code that Ubuntu developers are free to modify.
[03:06] <bioterror> I'm not at my best, but someone should assist you to dig dmesg
[03:06] <bioterror> search what's the problem on boot
[03:06] <Elise001> Security updates and corrections depend solely on the responsiveness of the manufacturer.
[03:07] <Elise001> Ubuntu cannot fix or improve these drivers.
[03:07] <Elise001> NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (version 173)
[03:08] <Elise001> Tested by Ubuntu developers
[03:08] <cagriemer> is it installed? there should be a green light on the left side
[03:08] <Elise001> License: Proprietary
[03:09] <Elise001> 3D-accelerated proprietary graphics driver for NVIDIA cards.
[03:09] <cagriemer> you don't have to write everything is  NVIDIA graphics driver installed?
[03:10] <Elise001> This driver is required to fully utilise the 3D potential of NVIDIA graphics cards,
[03:10] <bioterror> haha
[03:10] <bioterror> is that driver installed or not
[03:10] <Gskelling> wait whats the problem
[03:10] <bioterror> we know what it says, to be quite honest
[03:10] <Elise001> as well as provide 2D acceleration of newer cards.
[03:10] <Gskelling> sounds similar to a problem im having
[03:10] <Gskelling> i just came in
[03:11] <Elise001> I'll skip to last line:
[03:11] <JoeMaverickSett> 11:05 | Elise001 > Lots of words. Here goes: Proprietary drivers are being used to make this computer work properly.
[03:11] <Elise001> This driver is activated and currently in use.
[03:11] <JoeMaverickSett> that seems to me, as Proprietary driver is installed. :)
[03:11] <Gskelling> when i activate my nvidia accelerated graphics driver
[03:11] <Gskelling> after a reboot, x doesnt start
[03:13] <JoeMaverickSett> Elise001: i think you might want to disable that propreitary driver. and see if the issue still exists.
[03:13] <cagriemer> Elise001:  Remove the driver and check for the updates.
[03:16] <Elise001> I clicked on Remove. System wants me to authenticate.
[03:17] <Elise001> And says that system policy prevents installation/removal of device drivers.
[03:18] <Elise001> I clicked on Details and got Action: com.ubuntu.devicedriver.install
[03:18] <cagriemer> use your password and authenticate
[03:18] <JoeMaverickSett> Elise001: just remove the drive. give the password. :)
[03:18] <Elise001> Vendor: Jockey driver manager
[03:19] <Elise001> Taking a long time and/or won't do it.
[03:21] <Elise001> Clicked on link com.ubuntu.devicedriver.install    Nothing happened.
[03:21] <cagriemer> nope don't click on the links at the details section
[03:21] <JoeMaverickSett> Elise001: just click REMOVE, give your password, don't need to click details and such?
[03:21] <Elise001> Then clicked on link Jockey driver manager.
[03:21] <cagriemer> just enter your password and click authenticate
[03:22] <Elise001> I did when it talked about my network key.
[03:22] <JoeMaverickSett> Elise001: you don't need to click such things, if unless you really want to learn the history of Jockey Driver Manager:D
[03:23] <Elise001> I have to leave soon for friend's house for diner.
[03:24] <Elise001> It won't do it. Sigh.
[03:24] <bioterror> you wont do what
[03:24] <bioterror> remove the iivyl propietary driver?
[03:25] <bioterror> from polluting your opensource operating system ;)
[03:25] <cagriemer> Elise001:  here is a list for you to try when you have time: 1) remove the driver 2) change the repository from synaptic to a one in your country 3) check for and install updates 4) install nvidia driver
[03:26] <JoeMaverickSett> Elise001: and could you also give us the full error of the modprobe error message? :)
[03:29] <Elise001> A window says: Sorry the Jockey backend crashed. Please file a bug at: ubuntu-bug jockey-common
[03:29] <Elise001> Trying to recover by restarting backend
[03:29] <Elise001> Will close window now.
[03:30] <Elise001> My wireless network connection keeps going up and down.
[03:32] <Elise001> So get Authentication required by wrireless network
[03:32] <Elise001> What does that backend business mean?
[03:32] <Elise001> And cagriemer, what country are you in?
[03:33] <cagriemer> I'm in Australia
[03:33] <Elise001> I am in USA near Stanford.
[03:33] <Elise001> ok, just wondering.
[03:35] <Elise001> I think I'd best get ready to leave. Thanks for your help all.
[04:02] <AbhijiT> duanedesign, ping
[04:19] <andrew_46> cagriemer: Good to see a fellow Australian :)
[04:21] <cagriemer> andrew_46: Hey mate :) I'm actually Turkish but living in Australia
[04:22] <andrew_46> cagriemer: I wish my background was exotic at all :(
[04:23] <cagriemer> andrew_46: Isn't Australia exotic enough?  :)
[04:25] <andrew_46> cagriemer: Kangaroos, koalas, goannas, floods, bushfires, cyclones, droughts, deserts.... I guess so :)
[04:30] <cagriemer> andrew_46:  Australia has the best beer and that's more than enough for me. Viva la Carlton Draught! :)
[04:30] <JoeMaverickSett> guys, if i think you should move to #ubuntu-beginners-team ;)
[04:43]  * andrew_46 tries to remember that chit-chat is discouraged...
[04:55] <JoeMaverickSett> andrew_46: it is not discouraged, my friend, it is just that this channel is for support, chit-chat is at #ubuntu-beginners-team :)
[04:56] <andrew_46> JoeMaverickSett: The division of the channels was one of the reasons I left the UBT a while back, but of course I respect the new rules
[06:10] <YanksRule> !ops
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[06:11] <YanksRule> !ops
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[07:21] <Cheri703> is it remotely possible to use mac cups drivers on ubuntu?
[07:37] <kgroll> Hello. Anybody in here who might be able to help me enable my wireless ethernet card in k/ubuntu 10.10?
[07:38] <_CommandeR_> what card?
[07:38] <kgroll> Not sure. Would a lspci tell me that?
[07:39] <_CommandeR_> think it is lspci | grep wlan or something need to check on my archie
[07:40] <_CommandeR_> what kernel are you running ?
[07:41] <kgroll> How do I check that? :\
[07:42] <kgroll> To give a little more background:
[07:42] <_CommandeR_> ok first do a  lspci | grep Wireless
[07:42] <kgroll> no luck with that. I grepped for wireless, lan, wlan, ethernet
[07:42] <_CommandeR_> and then uname -r
[07:42] <kgroll> 2.6.35-25-generic
[07:43] <_CommandeR_> type grep wireless with captial W
[07:43] <kgroll> grep -i did the trick!
[07:43] <kgroll> Intel PRO Wireless 2915ABG
[07:44] <kgroll> And, I'm pretty sure I can see it in ifconfig
[07:44] <kgroll> As eth1
[07:44] <kgroll> The thing is, I've used wireless on this machine before
[07:44] <_CommandeR_> so it died or ?
[07:44] <kgroll> Well
[07:44] <kgroll> I don't think so
[07:45] <kgroll> I did ifconfig eth1 down
[07:45] <kgroll> then brought it back up
[07:45] <kgroll> Then just an iwconfig eth1 essid <mynetwork>
[07:45] <kgroll> But wasn't able to get dhcpclient to assign me an ip after that
[07:46] <_CommandeR_> oh
[07:46] <kgroll> (I normally just use the gui to connect to a wireless network)
[07:46] <kgroll> So, I thought okay, let me try to disable my wireless card and then turn it back on
[07:46] <kgroll> There's a button on my laptop to disable the card
[07:46] <_CommandeR_> and it is not going up ?
[07:46] <kgroll> I hit it, then hit it again to turn it back on, but it doesn't seem to go back up
[07:46] <kgroll> But, I can still see the eth1 in ifconfig
[07:48] <kgroll> The problem I have now, is that aside from not being able to connect to my network, I can't even see the Available Networks icon in my notification tray anymore
[07:48] <_CommandeR_> i see
[07:48] <_CommandeR_> does it have a led or something indicating that it is turned on or not ?
[07:49] <kgroll> As an aside, let me just tell you how nice it is to actually be talking to somebody about this, rather than just googling for answers
[07:49] <_CommandeR_> guessing that it is not turned on even when you switched the flip
[07:49] <kgroll> It's blinking
[07:49] <kgroll> Which I've never seen it do before
[07:49] <kgroll> But, I don't know if that means there's some sort of hardware failure or what
[07:50] <_CommandeR_> if the wifi led is blinking it is getting information..
[07:50] <_CommandeR_> or data*
[07:50] <kgroll> It's not blinking like Activity LEDs normally blink. I can't recall what it normally does
[07:50] <kgroll> But this is just a periodic blink every second
[07:51] <_CommandeR_> on and off all the time ?
[07:51] <kgroll> yep
[07:51] <_CommandeR_> its a feature that is anying but shows the data transfers
[07:51] <_CommandeR_> anoying*
[07:52] <kgroll> It doesn't appear to be sending or recieving any packets though
[07:52] <kgroll> You know how a lot of laptops have physical volume buttons on the case, but you can still control the volume through the os if you choose?
[07:53] <_CommandeR_> yea
[07:53] <kgroll> Is there something similar to that for wireless?
[07:53] <kgroll> IE, maybe the physical button isn't working correct, so I can check somewhere in the os to enable/disable the card?
[07:54] <_CommandeR_> well since is on it should find networks so you can go dmesg and check the last lines
[07:54] <kgroll> I think it's off altogether now
[07:54] <_CommandeR_> but to force it go up do a ifconfig wlan0 up or what the name of the wifi is
[07:55] <kgroll> I hit the button on the case a minute ago to see if I could cycle through more modes
[07:55] <kgroll> It stopped blinking (and disappeared from ifconfig), but I can't get it back on
[07:55] <_CommandeR_> how does the button work is it on/off or something more
[07:55] <kgroll> I thought it was just on/off
[07:55] <_CommandeR_> well I guess it is.
[07:55] <_CommandeR_> do a ifconfig name up
[07:56] <_CommandeR_> name that is eth1 that i find odd
[07:56] <kgroll> "Operation not possible due to RF-kill"
[07:56] <_CommandeR_> eth1 should or used to be ethernet port
[07:56] <kgroll> yea, I think it's named weird
[07:56] <_CommandeR_> ok 1 sek need to check the driver for your card
[07:57] <kgroll> But I'm confident that's correct, because earlier (when it was working) I did a: iwlist eth1 scan and was able to see all the local networks
[07:59] <kgroll> hey _CommandeR_
[07:59] <kgroll> Are you connected via wifi right now?
[08:00] <_CommandeR_> yea
[08:00] <_CommandeR_> try do this
[08:00] <kgroll> what if you do:
[08:00] <kgroll> rfkill list
[08:00] <kgroll> You see anything?
[08:00] <_CommandeR_> rmod ipw2200
[08:01] <kgroll> I don't have rmod in my path
[08:01] <_CommandeR_> dont have rfkill
[08:01] <kgroll> :(
[08:01] <_CommandeR_> rmmod sorry :P
[08:01] <kgroll> What's ipw2200?
[08:02] <_CommandeR_> driver module for your card
[08:02] <kgroll> So if I do that, won't I no longer have the driver installed?
[08:02] <_CommandeR_> rmmod should reload it and modprobe ipw2200 should load it again
[08:02] <_CommandeR_> wait few seconds with the second command
[08:02] <kgroll> OH
[08:02] <kgroll> This is a good sign
[08:03] <kgroll> I just got "Disconnected - No Offline"
[08:03] <_CommandeR_> yea kills the driver
[08:03] <kgroll> _CommandeR_ I really like the looks of this
[08:04] <_CommandeR_> modprobe it
[08:04] <kgroll> yea
[08:04] <kgroll> So I just did that
[08:04] <kgroll> Now, in the Available Networks icon
[08:04] <kgroll> I see: Wired: No Networks
[08:04] <kgroll> Wireless: device not managed
[08:04] <_CommandeR_> and ifconfig wlan0 up
[08:04] <_CommandeR_> or eth1
[08:05] <_CommandeR_> should aktivate the wireless
[08:05] <kgroll> Operation not possible due to RF-kill
[08:05] <kgroll> I can do: rfkill list
[08:05] <kgroll> It shows me:
[08:05] <kgroll> hp-wifi: Wireless LAN
[08:05] <kgroll> Soft blocked: no
[08:05] <kgroll> Hard blocked: yes
[08:06] <kgroll> Which makes me think that button on my laptop is preventing any connection
[08:06] <_CommandeR_> is the switch on ?
[08:06] <_CommandeR_> because it is thinking that the wifi is set to off
[08:07] <kgroll> It's on
[08:07] <kgroll> alright
[08:07] <kgroll> It just let me bring eth1 up
[08:07] <kgroll> but still says "device not managed" in the available networks dropdown
[08:07] <_CommandeR_> btw you have anything connected to the ethernet port ?
[08:07] <kgroll> no
[08:08] <kgroll> I have a ethernet cable if you'd like me to connect it
[08:08] <_CommandeR_> nah just checking some laptops and computers have bios setting for only running eather one
[08:09] <_CommandeR_> not both
[08:10] <_CommandeR_> but hardblock is indicating that the swtich is set to off or it thinks so
[08:10] <kgroll> Not anymore
[08:10] <kgroll> Now it shows hardblocked: no
[08:10] <_CommandeR_> try to up it
[08:11] <kgroll> it's up
[08:11] <kgroll> ifconfig thinks it is
[08:11] <_CommandeR_> no networks ?
[08:11] <kgroll> This is when you wanna just smash the thing with a hammer
[08:11] <_CommandeR_> intel sucks somehow
[08:11] <kgroll> "Device not managed" is all it says under Wireless networks
[08:13] <kgroll> I just edited my /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf file, based on this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1109585
[08:13] <kgroll> Do I need to logoff to allow that to take effect?
[08:14] <_CommandeR_> not sure
[08:14] <kgroll> trying now
[08:15] <kgroll> I just logged out and logged back in. Now ifconfig shows:
[08:15] <kgroll> eth1
[08:15] <kgroll> and
[08:15] <kgroll> eth1:avahi
[08:15] <kgroll> I've never seen that second one before
[08:16] <_CommandeR_> could you pastebin your rc.conf and ifconfig ?
[08:16] <kgroll> I don't know how, since I don't have any connection on that machine
[08:16] <_CommandeR_> oh..
[08:16] <kgroll> I guess I can put it on a flash drive
[08:16] <_CommandeR_> no wait
[08:16] <kgroll> Or I can try to hook up the wired connection?
[08:18] <_CommandeR_> check rc.conf network section of interfaces
[08:19] <kgroll> Is that in /etc/?
[08:19] <kgroll> I can't find rc.conf
[08:19] <_CommandeR_> /etc/rc.conf
[08:20] <kgroll> Doesn't exist
[08:20] <_CommandeR_> running kubuntu yes?
[08:20] <kgroll> ubuntu
[08:20] <kgroll> Sorry if that's caused any confusion
[08:21] <kgroll> There's a bunch of /etc/rc[\d].d files
[08:21] <kgroll> Like, rc5.d, rc6.d, etc.
[08:22] <kgroll> oh they're directories
[08:22] <_CommandeR_> nah seems that arch is only using the old system...
[08:22] <bioterror> hahaha
[08:23] <_CommandeR_> ehm check /etc/network/interfaces
[08:23] <bioterror> keep _CommandeR_ your arch problems on #archlinux
[08:23] <_CommandeR_> i do not have problems bioterror
[08:23] <kgroll> I have all the problems
[08:24] <_CommandeR_> a common intel wifi problem...
[08:24] <kgroll> _CommandeR_ all I have in my interfaces file is the auto lo
[08:24] <kgroll> loopback?
[08:24] <kgroll> iface lo inet loopback
[08:25] <bioterror> _CommandeR_, Arch is not using old system, Arch is using BSD styled rc
[08:25] <bioterror> and ubuntu uses more common to linux
[08:26] <kgroll> Would installing arch linux solve all of my problems?
[08:26] <kgroll> :$
[08:26] <_CommandeR_> haha well no
[08:26] <_CommandeR_> this is a common problem on all distros from what i know
[08:27] <JackyAlcine> _CommandeR_: wireless?
[08:27] <_CommandeR_> yea
[08:27] <JackyAlcine> =/ so true.
[08:27] <kgroll> I've screwed it up though
[08:27] <kgroll> It was working fine just two hours ago
[08:27] <_CommandeR_> for some reason his wlan is eth1
[08:28] <_CommandeR_> and rf killed
[08:28] <kgroll> Not rfkilled anymore
[08:28] <JackyAlcine> Very odd, and I'm reading back; you edited your ./interfaces file which was my first idea.
[08:28] <kgroll> I'm willing to try anything at this point
[08:28] <_CommandeR_> wait a sec, kgroll, you only got lo in interfaces ?
[08:28] <kgroll> yea
[08:29] <kgroll> But it's always been that way
[08:29] <kgroll> Even before, when wireless worked
[08:29] <_CommandeR_> gonna boot to my ubutu box and check but I am pretty sure i have each interface there
[08:30] <_CommandeR_> ubuntu*
[08:30] <kgroll> How likely do you guys/gals think it is that this is actually a hardware issue?
[08:30] <bioterror> ofcourse it is listed in ifconfig
[08:30] <_CommandeR_> not likely
[08:30] <kgroll> Like, that button on my laptop isn't working or soemthing
[08:30] <Daniel0108> kgroll: lo is Local Loopback, it's impossible that you are online with just lo :P
[08:30] <kgroll> I'm typing on my desktop
[08:30] <kgroll> My laptop is one that's not working
[08:31] <bioterror> kgroll, did lspci find your chipset?
[08:31] <kgroll> yea
[08:31] <kgroll> it's an intel PRO something something
[08:31] <kgroll> let me pull that up again
[08:31] <bioterror> and dmesg tells you too?
[08:31] <kgroll> yea
[08:32] <_CommandeR_> my interfaces in ubuntu also only contains lo
[08:32] <bioterror> as lspci just tells "there's hardware", dmesg tells kernel finds it
[08:32] <kgroll> Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG
[08:32] <kgroll> I wish I could pastebin it :\
[08:32] <bioterror> kgroll, does dmesg tell if its wlan0 or eth1
[08:33] <kgroll> Where would it say that?
[08:33] <kgroll> Something I could grep for?
[08:33] <bioterror> dmesg |grep Wireless
[08:33] <kgroll> so
[08:33] <bioterror> possible
[08:33] <kgroll> dmesg | grep wlan returns nothing
[08:33] <kgroll> dmesg | grep eth1 returns:
[08:33] <kgroll> eth1: no ipv6 routers present
[08:33] <bioterror> hmmm
[08:33] <kgroll> and
[08:34] <bioterror> kgroll, sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[08:34] <kgroll> ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready
[08:34] <kgroll> eth1 is already up
[08:34] <_CommandeR_> not listed in ifconfig?
[08:34] <bioterror> should be listed as it's up
[08:34] <kgroll> it is
[08:34] <kgroll> I just took it down and back up
[08:34] <bioterror> good
[08:35] <bioterror> can you now connect to AP?
[08:35] <kgroll> ap?
[08:35] <bioterror> access point
[08:35] <kgroll> Not sure how
[08:35] <_CommandeR_> network
[08:35] <kgroll> oh
[08:35] <kgroll> like, using iwconfig?
[08:35] <kgroll> Or just the gui
[08:35] <bioterror> what ever you want
[08:35] <_CommandeR_> what she said
[08:35] <kgroll> No networks show up in the gui
[08:36] <kgroll> Because under the Available Networks icon, it just shows: Wireless - Device Not Managed
[08:36] <bioterror> kgroll, iwlist scan
[08:36] <kgroll> no results
[08:36] <kgroll> I was scanning on eth1 earlier today at a coffee shop and got plenty of results
[08:38] <bioterror> have you edited anything?
[08:38] <kgroll> No
[08:38] <kgroll> Oh
[08:38] <kgroll> wait
[08:38] <kgroll> I did edit /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf
[08:39] <kgroll> Based on this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1109585
[08:39] <kgroll> (Somebody who was also getting "Device not managed" had their problem fixed by editing that file)
[08:39] <kgroll> I just changed managed=false to true
[08:40] <kgroll> Didn't resolve my problem though
[08:40] <bioterror> you have you reversed the change?
[08:40] <kgroll> yes
[08:41] <kgroll> But I can reverse the reversal if you suggest I do so!
[08:41] <_CommandeR_> ^^
[08:41] <bioterror> no
[08:41] <bioterror> I have managed=false
[08:41] <kgroll> Question
[08:41] <kgroll> What if I reinstalled my OS
[08:41] <kgroll> You guys think that would fix my problem?
[08:42] <_CommandeR_> no need
[08:42] <bioterror> I would rather suggest to try livecd
[08:42] <bioterror> if it works
[08:42] <kgroll> That's a good idea
[08:42] <bioterror> but have you updated kernel
[08:42] <kgroll> I'm running 2.6.35-25
[08:42] <kgroll> generic
[08:42] <bioterror> yes you're, but have you done any system updates between the brakedown?
[08:43] <_CommandeR_> since it is intel it is merged so if it is not really old kernel it should work
[08:43] <kgroll> no
[08:43] <bioterror> sounds really weird
[08:43] <_CommandeR_> it is intel wifi so it is standard..
[08:43] <kgroll> I agree
[08:43] <kgroll> Alright
[08:43] <kgroll> So how does this sound
[08:43] <kgroll> I try the live CD
[08:43] <kgroll> And then all of my problems are solved
[08:44] <bioterror> if they are
[08:44] <kgroll> then?
[08:44] <_CommandeR_> I had same problem that wifi would die and not up but weird name and not finding networks I did not
[08:45] <kgroll> question
[08:45] <_CommandeR_> shoot
[08:45] <kgroll> I have a / and a /home partition
[08:45] <kgroll> Can I reinstall the OS and not touch my /home?
[08:45] <_CommandeR_> yea
[08:45] <bioterror> yes
[08:45] <bioterror> but test that livecd first
[08:46] <bioterror> that you know it's not broken
[08:46] <bioterror> physically
[08:46] <kgroll> Yea
[08:46] <kgroll> I'ma give that a shot
[08:46] <_CommandeR_> try also plug something into etho
[08:47] <bioterror> eth0 doesnt matter
[08:47] <_CommandeR_> no but since it is waky it may redetect the card
[08:48] <_CommandeR_> had this issue on my laptop that plugging ethernet with a cable would kill/reboot the wifi
[08:48] <kgroll-onhislapt> How about that
[08:49] <_CommandeR_> do a ifconfig
[08:49] <kgroll-onhislapt> eth0 cooking
[08:49] <kgroll> You guys want a pastebin?
[08:49] <kgroll> I can do that now
[08:49] <_CommandeR_> sure
[08:50] <kgroll-onhislapt> http://pastebin.com/CnAL75sk
[08:51] <kgroll> Only two hours left on this 10.10 iso download =x
[08:52] <_CommandeR_>  what version of livecd are you running *
[08:52] <_CommandeR_> ?
[08:52] <bioterror> kgroll-onhislapt, change that "managed=false" to =true"
[08:52] <bioterror> and then do sudo killall nm-system-settings
[08:53] <kgroll-onhislapt> should I unplug eth0 first?
[08:53] <bioterror> doesnt matter
[08:53] <bioterror> :D
[08:53] <_CommandeR_> bioterror, is this some new way to handle wifi in ubuntu not naming wlan as wlan0 ?
[08:53] <bioterror> _CommandeR_, it happens some times with different chipsets
[08:53] <kgroll> No process found
[08:53] <bioterror> kgroll, what's your network manager
[08:54] <bioterror> in kde
[08:54] <kgroll> How?
[08:54] <kgroll> I'm in Gnome
[08:54] <bioterror> okay
[08:54] <_CommandeR_> probably standard gnome-network-manager
[08:54] <kgroll> I haven't changed it
[08:54] <kgroll> So yea
[08:56] <bioterror> but it's not working with LiveCD?
[08:56] <kgroll> I'm downloading it
[08:56] <kgroll> 1 hour 50 minutes left
[08:56] <kgroll> My connection is blazing fast
[08:56] <_CommandeR_> ^
[08:57] <kgroll> What's this eth1:avahi
[08:57] <bioterror> kgroll, can you change that manged=true
[08:57] <kgroll> Okay
[08:57] <kgroll> I've got it that way now
[08:57] <bioterror> and then sudo service networking restart
[08:57] <kgroll> (As of a couple minutes ago)
[08:57] <bioterror> and sudo service network-manager restart
[08:57] <kgroll> okay
[08:58] <kgroll> I'm gonna unplug my ethernet cable from the laptop
[08:58] <bioterror> if you want
[08:58] <kgroll> Well, I restarted it, and it just seemed to refresh the eth0
[08:58] <kgroll> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:58] <bioterror> wait for a moment
[08:58] <kgroll> bioterror:
[08:58] <kgroll> Where do you live
[08:58] <bioterror> Finland
[08:59] <kgroll> I need to send you a bouquet
[08:59] <kgroll> You know what that means right???
[08:59] <kgroll> Connected!
[08:59] <_CommandeR_> nice
[08:59] <kgroll> You forgot a few exclamation marks...
[09:00] <_CommandeR_> try not to play with the wifi switch when outside ^^
[09:00] <bioterror> :)
[09:00] <kgroll> Do you guys realize how excited I am right now?
[09:00] <kgroll> This is a huge relief
[09:00] <JoeMaverickSett> *sigh* :P
[09:00] <bioterror> kgroll, I know, you had a little adrenaline boost and now your brains are releasing some endorphine
[09:01] <kgroll> I need to break my wifi more often in that case...
[09:01] <bioterror> small things with linux that makes using it worth the small tweaking
[09:01] <_CommandeR_> sigh hate that my computer is the crappiest support for linux kernel
[09:01] <_CommandeR_> got*
[09:01] <kgroll> This is fantastic
[09:02] <kgroll> So, would you all say that we're on a roll now?
[09:02] <kgroll> Because I can fire off another question
[09:02] <bioterror> kgroll, it's like riding a bike with huge gear and you climb a hill with it
[09:02] <bioterror> ahh that feeling
[09:02] <kgroll> Thanks a million to both of you
[09:02] <bioterror> kgroll, what's the next question
[09:03] <_CommandeR_> np
[09:03] <kgroll> It gets back to what I originally wanted to do when I got into this mess
[09:03] <kgroll> I want to run xmonad
[09:03] <bioterror> oh no
[09:03] <kgroll> oh yea
[09:03] <bioterror> ohhhh no
[09:03] <kgroll> You see, I don't have a mouse
[09:03] <bioterror> buy one :D
[09:04] <kgroll> Super expensive in the United States
[09:04] <bioterror> tiling wm's are the most retardest thing
[09:04] <kgroll> WHAT?
[09:04] <kgroll> You better not say that vim is retarded too
[09:04] <bioterror> it's okay if you run glxgears and couple of terminals and you just want to run top
[09:04] <kgroll> My motivation is that
[09:04] <kgroll> I spend so much time resizing terminal windows
[09:05] <kgroll> Which is incredibly frustrating w/o a mouse
[09:05] <kgroll> (using the laptops trackpad)
[09:05] <bioterror> it's not that horrible
[09:05] <kgroll> I'd rather eat glass
[09:05] <kgroll> Alright, so pretend I didn't say xmonad
[09:05] <bioterror> I resize all the time my ircing terminal to ̃~150x24
[09:05] <kgroll> But, pretend I don't have any sort of gui for some unexplained reason
[09:06] <kgroll> And I want to connect to a wireless network
[09:06] <_CommandeR_> srsly what shitty touchpad you god lol
[09:06] <kgroll> It's one step above a inert piece of plastic
[09:06] <kgroll> Are these the steps I would take to connect via command line...
[09:07] <kgroll> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid mynetwork key s:myWPA2pass
[09:07] <kgroll> dhcpclient eth1
[09:07] <kgroll> That's it?
[09:08] <bioterror> dhclient
[09:08] <kgroll> oh yea
[09:08] <kgroll> That's what I meant
[09:08] <_CommandeR_> Im not sure, but you can enable auto connect so it would connect to a saved network
[09:08] <kgroll> tab complete always takes over for me by that point
[09:08] <_CommandeR_> or networks
[09:09] <bioterror> sudo echo "sudo iwconfig eth1 essid mynetwork key s:myWPA2pass && sudo dhclient eth1" > /usr/local/bin/gimmewirelez
[09:09] <bioterror> sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/gimmewirelez
[09:10] <kgroll> You continue to impress me bioterror
[09:10] <kgroll> especially since you called it gimmewirelez
[09:10] <bioterror> that's how I would do it
[09:10] <kgroll> oh
[09:11] <kgroll> about the key s:pass part
[09:11] <kgroll> I use "This is my pass"
[09:11] <bioterror> that's just example for the line
[09:11] <bioterror> you can find the working combination
[09:11] <kgroll> Er, I didn't really explain that well
[09:11] <kgroll> But, I mean, if my password was multiple words, I put it in quotes?
[09:12] <bioterror> yes, I think so
[09:12] <bioterror> I have only one word, as I am a fin, we have lots of compound words
[09:12] <_CommandeR_> hahha
[09:13] <bioterror> we can have a one word that's actually three words
[09:13] <_CommandeR_> wupmedhenderna
[09:13] <bioterror> bruteforce that
[09:13] <kgroll> Do you like those little black licorice candies?
[09:13] <bioterror> yes I like salmiakki
[09:13] <kgroll> ugh
[09:13] <_CommandeR_> ugh
[09:13] <kgroll> I'd rather try to fix my wifi than eat one of those
[09:13] <bioterror> kgroll, http://www.salmiyuck.com/
[09:14] <kgroll> That's my picture
[09:14] <kgroll> You probably like blood sausage too?
[09:14] <bioterror> nope
[09:14] <bioterror> I'm not from tampere :D
[09:14] <_CommandeR_> it is not bad really
[09:14] <kgroll> I better stick to ubuntu questions
[09:14] <bioterror> you seem to know these filthy secrets
[09:15] <_CommandeR_> me?
[09:15] <bioterror> I was actually wondering
[09:15] <bioterror> is there a tiling wm with systray
[09:15] <_CommandeR_> your country men dissapoint me bioterror
[09:15] <bioterror> or would it look stupid to have tint2 panel with minimal configurations
[09:15] <kgroll> Not in xmonad
[09:15] <bioterror> and then run nm-applet
[09:15] <JoeMaverickSett> dwm? :D
[09:15] <bioterror> or wicd, what ever is your choice
[09:16] <_CommandeR_> wicd is not great
[09:16] <bioterror> _CommandeR_, it's great if you dont to hussle with gnome dependencies, but lacks with mobile phones as a modem
[09:16] <_CommandeR_> btw you are talking about wicd as in network manager right?
[09:16] <bioterror> _CommandeR_, y
[09:17] <_CommandeR_> yea running wicd on my arch
[09:17] <_CommandeR_> but like gnome network manager more.
[09:17] <bioterror> why there's no ncurses based network manager
[09:18] <bioterror> wicd-curses !
[09:19] <bioterror> kgroll, try wicd-curses for your wireless needs to connect from terminal
[09:19] <kgroll> What is it?
[09:20] <bioterror> http://cdn.omgsuse.com/omg/images/wicd_opensusecurses.jpg
[09:20] <_CommandeR_> .37 kernel makes my shutdown freeze, damn Linus Torvald
[09:20] <kgroll> That looks promisng
[09:20] <bioterror> http://www.kubuntu-es.org/files/kubuntu-es.org/u2488/wicd-curses.jpeg
[09:20] <bioterror> but now my wife insists that I'll spend some with family
[09:20] <bioterror> laters
[09:20] <kgroll> Thanks again!
[09:20] <kgroll> I love you!
[09:20] <_CommandeR_> laters man
[09:24] <kgroll> _CommandeR_ have you used wicd-curses?
[09:25] <_CommandeR_> nah
[09:25] <kgroll> I don't know how to use it :\
[09:25] <_CommandeR_> -help works usualy
[09:25] <kgroll> you should see the errors it's dumping on me
[09:26] <_CommandeR_> dependensies ?
[09:26] <_CommandeR_> dependencies*
[09:26] <kgroll> daemon stuff
[09:26] <kgroll> dbus ifaces and other things I can't comprehend
[09:27] <_CommandeR_> hm
[09:28] <_CommandeR_> may check
[09:28] <kgroll> I just did a sudo apt-get install wicd-curses
[09:28] <kgroll> I wonder if I should have just done install wicd
[09:29] <_CommandeR_> makes sense
[09:36] <kgroll> If I do aptitude search <whatever>, the little A on the far left means I have that installed on my system?
[09:37] <_CommandeR_> I dont use apt so i do not know
[09:37] <kgroll> oh, rght
[09:40] <kgroll> Alright, I gotta get in bed. Thanks again. Have a great morning/day/evening
[09:40] <_CommandeR_> morning and yah y2
[09:40] <_CommandeR_> toodles
[10:10] <luke__> hi do
[10:10] <luke__> any one know how to install gimp shop on ubuntu10.10
[10:11] <luke__> j #ubuntu
[10:11] <luke__> join #ubuntu
[11:16] <proberos> it asks for login password to activate internet connection. how can I disable it and make it not to ask it ?
[11:19] <bioterror> fast guy
[11:22] <JackyAlcine> Wouldn't you have to unlock your password keyring for that, bioterror?
[11:23] <bioterror> JackyAlcine, that's easy greasy
[11:23] <JackyAlcine> Lol, yeah, seems like he needed to save his passwords in cleartext.
[11:23] <JackyAlcine> Or something that'd remove that authentication request.
[11:24] <bioterror> right click nm-applet icon in systray, edit connections, take wireless tab, edit current connection you're using, there you should see at the bottom of window a "available to all users", check that box and put your password
[11:24] <JackyAlcine> oh yeah, lol
[11:25]  * JackyAlcine does that now.
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[12:42] <AbhijiT> duanedesign, thats cool!
[12:42] <AbhijiT> :)
[12:42] <duanedesign> i have  a really awful website that still has a few pieces I have done
[12:42] <duanedesign> the site was the first website I ever did. Never took it down. But it has some of my work on it...
[12:42] <AbhijiT> duanedesign, link pease
[12:42] <AbhijiT> please
[12:43] <duanedesign> http://dhinnen.tripod.com/port.htm
[12:44] <AbhijiT> ok
[12:47] <JackyAlcine> duanedesign: Lol, that's the two majours I'm taking in high school right now.
[12:47] <JackyAlcine> Photography gives us such a better eye in application design, more than I thought graphic design would.
[12:50] <duanedesign> JackyAlcine:lu!!
[12:50] <duanedesign> oops
[12:50] <duanedesign> lukjad: !!
[12:50] <JackyAlcine> lol
[12:51] <duanedesign> JackyAlcine: typography is another skill that is under used in the design world. Particularly web and application design. Some of that is to do with the limitations  of the medium though
[12:52] <duanedesign> JackyAlcine: photography started out as purely for fun. However I agree it has helped in ways I did not imagine
[12:52] <MrChrisDruif> It's an important part into the total design of a website or other medium for that matter...
[13:59] <duanedesign> AbhijiT: did you need anything specific or just curious?
[14:00] <AbhijiT> duanedesign, i need actually but not now
[14:00] <AbhijiT> duanedesign, i was interested in taking design course. but that is nut graphics design it was product desin which include graphics too. but i am not sure if i should take or not etc
[14:02] <AbhijiT> so wanted to talk about your experience,expertise, etc hows the market etc duanedesign
[14:04] <AbhijiT> duanedesign, from which college you take that course? i mean in my case its master course and needs bachelor course as eligiblity so whtas your case?
[14:05] <AbhijiT> ??
[14:05] <AbhijiT> duanedesign, ??
[14:08] <duanedesign> AbhijiT: sorry was on phone
[14:08] <AbhijiT> ok
[14:09] <duanedesign> AbhijiT: product design would be fun. I did packaging design, but not product design. Design is udeful because it teaches you to solve problems.
[14:10] <duanedesign> useful*
[14:10] <AbhijiT> yeah
[14:10] <AbhijiT> duanedesign, the thing i am worried about is the time. that master course is 2 years. so i was confused whether to invest those 2 years in master course or just be with bachlor degre\e
[14:11] <duanedesign> AbhijiT: most jobs I have experience with require a bachelors. Have not seen many that require masters
[14:13] <AbhijiT> funny thing is my bachelor degree is of computers and i wish to take master course in degisn!!!!
[14:13] <AbhijiT> :)
[14:15] <duanedesign> there is no such thing as too much education though :)
[14:16] <AbhijiT> yeah!
[14:16] <AbhijiT> if i finalize to take that course i would like to talk to you at that tijme! i hope you will guide me! duanedesign ? :D
[14:20] <duanedesign> AbhijiT: any help i can be at all just let me know
[14:20] <AbhijiT> sure! duanedesign :) thanks! :)
[14:21] <duanedesign> AbhijiT: what kind of computers classes are you taking for your Bachelors?
[14:21] <AbhijiT> computer engineering
[14:36] <egossett> join #launchpad
[14:57] <kgroll> Hello
[14:58] <bioterror> how's your wicd-curses doing
[14:58] <kgroll> Aha!
[14:58] <kgroll> I was just hoping you would see this
[14:58] <kgroll> I didn't sleep very well
[14:58] <bioterror> I slept 1h40min last night
[14:59] <kgroll> So, did I want to install wicd and wicd-curses ?
[14:59] <kgroll> You've got me beat
[14:59] <kgroll> I slept about 5
[14:59] <bioterror> Depends: python, python-urwid, wicd-daemon (= 1.7.0+ds1-5ubuntu1)
[15:00] <bioterror> you should be just fine with the wicd-curses as it fetches the daemon
[15:00] <kgroll> As an aside
[15:00] <kgroll> If I do an aptitude search wicd
[15:00] <kgroll> What do the prefixes (or whatever you call it) stand for in the column before the results
[15:00] <kgroll> IE:
[15:00] <kgroll> i A  python-wicd
[15:00] <kgroll> pi  wicd
[15:00] <kgroll> p    wicd-cli
[15:00] <kgroll> etc.
[15:01] <bioterror> I dunno, I dont use aptitude
[15:01] <kgroll> Oh
[15:01] <kgroll> Do you run ubuntu?
[15:01] <bioterror> yes
[15:01] <kgroll> Do you use a package manager?
[15:01] <kgroll> Or just source
[15:02] <bioterror> ofcourse I use dpkg
[15:02] <kgroll> Of course
[15:03] <JackyAlcine> kgroll: Does apt-get count as a package manager?
[15:04] <kgroll> You're asking a ubuntu-beginner!
[15:04] <kgroll> But I guess the answer you're looking for is no?
[15:05] <JackyAlcine> lol, I didn't know, but I think I should; it provides the same functionality as Synaptic and Software Centre
[15:05] <kgroll> Oh, yea
[15:05] <kgroll> I thought maybe it was a trick
[15:05] <kgroll> The non-beginners are free to scoff here, but I think the software centre is just a gui on top of aptitude
[15:06] <kgroll> bioterror, after I install wicd-curses, do I just want to launch it with wicd-client -n ?
[15:06] <bioterror> I bet man page tells
[15:06] <kgroll> Touche
[15:07] <kgroll> By the way
[15:07] <bioterror> I'm not the one who wants to use tiling wm ;))
[15:07] <kgroll> Have you given it more thought since then??
[15:07] <kgroll> (And was that a smilie with a chin?)
[15:07] <JackyAlcine> lol, good question, kgroll.
[15:08] <bioterror> it just tells me I weight 130kg and I have double neck
[15:08] <bioterror> -me
[15:08] <bioterror> or chin
[15:08] <bioterror> what ever that is :D
[15:09] <bioterror> cant remember every bodypart in english
[15:09] <a2wari2> Will any one tell me where is Ubuntu-Beginner wiki page? Going on Ubuntu site one comes across many things like "Absolute beginners talk" on Ubuntu Forum and there is Launchpad, OpenID, Ubuntu Wiki and may be many more. Is Ubuntu Wiki, Ubuntu Forum and Launchpad one and the same?
[15:09] <kgroll> It's generally called a double chin
[15:10] <bioterror> a2wari2, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/
[15:10] <kgroll> It looks like I'm due for a trip to #wicd
[15:10] <bioterror> oh look, it was in the topic too
[15:11] <a2wari2> ﻿bioterror, thank you
[15:11] <kgroll> When I start my session w/ Gnome, wicd connects to my network fine. But in xmonad it stalls trying to validate my wpa key
[15:12] <kgroll> hey bioterror
[15:12] <kgroll> What made you suggest wicd?
[15:13] <bioterror> I suggested that curses
[15:13] <kgroll> Is it like the goto wired/wireless manager?
[15:13] <kgroll> wicd-curses I mean
[15:13] <bioterror> becouse tiling wm's doesnt have a systray by default
[15:13] <bioterror> there's no idea to run nm-applet or gui wicd
[15:14] <kgroll> I'm with you there
[15:14] <kgroll> Are there alternatives to wicd-curses? (Just out of curiousity)
[15:16] <kgroll> wicd-curses is great though
[15:22] <kgroll> bioterror, when you get a chance, could you do me a favor
[15:22] <bioterror> what kind of?
[15:23] <kgroll> About 7 hours ago, you showed me a suggested method and saved it as a script called gimmeinternetz
[15:23] <kgroll> I don't have the history though since I'm in a browser irc client
[15:23] <kgroll> Could you either go copy/paste that for me, or recreate it now?
[15:24] <kgroll> Please
[15:24] <bioterror> Sat11:09*<+bioterror> sudo echo "sudo iwconfig eth1 essid mynetwork key s:myWPA2pass && sudo dhclient eth1" > /usr/local/bin/gimmewirelez
[15:24] <bioterror> Sat11:09*<+bioterror> sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/gimmewirelez
[15:24] <kgroll> Oh
[15:24] <kgroll> That's it
[15:24] <kgroll> Ok, thank you
[15:25] <kgroll> How do I make scripts run at startup?
[15:25] <kgroll> (If there's a quick answer to that. I can google it if not)
[15:25] <bioterror> I dunno about xmonad
[15:26] <bioterror> if you were a lxde or wmaker user, or even fluxbox, I could guide you
[15:26] <kgroll> So it that depends on your window manager?
[15:26] <bioterror> possible .config/autostart or something
[15:29] <kgroll> What terminal emulator do you use bioterror ?
[15:29] <bioterror> urxvt
[15:30] <bioterror> mostly urxvtd and I launch urxvtc's
[15:41] <kgroll> Bizarre
[15:41] <kgroll> When I run wicd-curses in my Gnome session, my network shoes 98% strength and I connect fine
[15:42] <kgroll> But in an xmonad session, I'm at 76% strength and I can't connect (Won't validate)
[15:52] <kgroll> I'm wondering if wicd is working in my gnome session based on some services that gnome starts in the background
[15:52] <kgroll> How would I see what services those are?
[15:59] <bioterror> kgroll, you have gnome-network-manager still running?
[16:04] <kgroll> yea
[16:04] <kgroll> I do bioterror
[16:04] <bioterror> remove it
[16:04] <kgroll> I can do that
[16:04] <bioterror> sudo apt-get purge gnome-network-manager
[16:06] <kgroll> Purge is the same as remove, except it removes config files as well?
[16:07] <bioterror> da
[16:08] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[16:08] <kgroll> I've got a network manager
[16:08] <kgroll> and a network-manager-gnome
[16:08] <kgroll> Do I wanna purge em both?
[16:08] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror: Does it also remove unused deps?
[16:09] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: No
[16:09] <MrChrisDruif> aptitude does?
[16:09] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: If you're talking about apt-get, that is. Aptitude does by default.
[16:09] <MrChrisDruif> aveilleux: Yeah, was talking about apt-get
[16:10] <aveilleux> what is kgroll trying to do, install Wicd?
[16:10] <bioterror> aveilleux, yes
[16:10] <aveilleux> bioterror: Nailed it
[16:10] <bioterror> actually wicd-curses
[16:10] <aveilleux> ahh
[16:10] <bioterror> as he wants to use xmonad
[16:10] <bioterror> and it lacks with built-in systrays
[16:10] <bioterror> and oh well, I wouldnt suggest tint2
[16:11] <bioterror> so, easiest way to configure wlan might be wicd-curses
[16:11] <kgroll> aveilleux, I'm able to connect to my network using wicd-curses under a gnome session
[16:11] <bioterror> kgroll, you cant have both
[16:11] <bioterror> wicd and gnome-network-manager
[16:11] <kgroll> I just removed network-manager-gnome
[16:11] <aveilleux> bioterror: Technically you CAN have both, they both just won't work and they'll conflict
[16:11] <bioterror> and network-manager too
[16:11] <kgroll> yes
[16:12] <kgroll> Oh so this is interesting
[16:13] <kgroll> Now that I've removed network-manager-gnome and network-manager, wicd is no longer able to connect to my network
[16:13] <kgroll> Even in the gnome session, where it was working before I removed those
[16:13] <bioterror> soon it is!
[16:13] <bioterror> sudo service wicd restart
[16:13] <bioterror> or something
[16:14] <kgroll> That restarted it
[16:14] <kgroll> It still won't validate though :\
[16:14] <bioterror> maybe you have wpa2 and it tries wpa
[16:14] <kgroll> Connection Failed: Bad password
[16:14] <bioterror> hahaha
[16:14] <bioterror> there you go
[16:14] <kgroll> I know the password is correct
[16:15] <kgroll> 1. It works on the desktop I'm currently typing in
[16:15] <bioterror> is the encryption and so on
[16:15] <kgroll> 2. It was working as the password in network-manager-gnome
[16:15] <bioterror> wicd usually offers something else as default, not like gnome-manager
[16:15] <kgroll> Use Encryption is on
[16:15] <bioterror> and the encryption is correct
[16:16] <bioterror> there's a drop down menu
[16:16] <kgroll> yea
[16:16] <kgroll> WPA2
[16:17] <kgroll> Which is accurate according to my other connected machines, and ifconfig
[16:25] <kgroll> Hey bioterror
[16:25] <kgroll> You know anything about apparmor config?
[16:33] <bioterror> hmmm
[16:34] <bioterror> kgroll, our great leader has made a nice tutorial: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1008906
[16:35] <kgroll> oh
[16:35] <kgroll> That should be some nice reading, thanks for sharing the link
[16:35] <kgroll> I just keep going deeper and deeper into this rabbit hole
[16:35] <kgroll> All for tiling
[16:52] <bioterror> kgroll, follow the white rabbit!
[17:15] <rokyronnie> Hi there :)
[17:18] <ddecator> rokyronnie: hi
[17:19] <rokyronnie> can u help me with something?
[17:20] <gpc> depends what that something is
[17:20] <ddecator> we will certainly try :)
[17:20] <rokyronnie> I have some troubles with Guitar Pro 6
[17:21] <ddecator> hm, i know what that is, but i'm not sure i can personally help with that since i don't use the program myself
[17:21] <gpc> rokyronnie: what sort of troubles?
[17:21] <rokyronnie> probably it's not a particular problem, but...... I install it ( with the trial from their website ) and... now when I launch it, appears just a splash screen and then dissapear
[17:21] <rokyronnie> and this is it
[17:21] <rokyronnie> no guitar pro :(
[17:22] <ddecator> rokyronnie: try launching it from a terminal and copy/paste the output into a pastebin for us
[17:22] <rokyronnie> ok
[17:22] <gpc> !pastebin
[17:22] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[17:23] <rokyronnie> hm, the adress is /opt/GuitarPro6/GuitarPro , I must add something else in terminal?
[17:24] <ddecator> that's the command executed when you launch it from the applications menu?
[17:25] <rokyronnie> no, that's the adrees for the launch application, but I guess it's the same, cause it open the same thing
[17:26] <rokyronnie> anywai, this is that I recieve :
[17:26] <ddecator> you can try running that and see if the same thing happens, otherwise right-click the applications menu, select to edit the menu, then find the Guitar Pro entry, highlight it, click properties, and see what command it's executing
[17:26] <rokyronnie> '/opt/GuitarPro6/GuitarPro'
[17:26] <rokyronnie> /opt/GuitarPro6/GuitarPro: error while loading shared libraries: libGPCore.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:27] <rokyronnie> but the library is there
[17:27] <ddecator> did the splash show up?
[17:27] <rokyronnie> no
[17:27] <ddecator> see what command is being used by the applications menu. it might be different
[17:29] <rokyronnie> I tried to reinstall it and now I discovered that in applications menu is no icon.Is there a program ( like tuneup utilities in windows ) or something, to make some cleaning?
[17:29] <rokyronnie> I guess there were some problems at the installation
[17:29] <ddecator> does it use a .deb to install?
[17:29] <rokyronnie> yes yes
[17:30] <ddecator> good, that makes things easier
[17:30] <ddecator> it should show up in the ubuntu software center, or you can find it using synaptic
[17:30] <rokyronnie> it's not a free software, so it's not in synaptic, I try again with software center
[17:31] <ddecator> right, but if you installed it using a .deb then it will show up in synaptic so you can remove it
[17:31] <ddecator> also, i should just plug, TuxGuitar is an opensource alternative to Guitar Pro :)
[17:32] <rokyronnie> yes, is there
[17:32] <rokyronnie> should I unnistal it?
[17:32] <szczur> rokyronnie, but before you do this, try this
[17:32] <szczur> cd /opt/GuitarPro6
[17:32] <szczur> ./GuitarPro
[17:33] <szczur> if it will give the error about the library
[17:33] <szczur> then reinstall it
[17:33] <rokyronnie> yes, there is an error
[17:33] <rokyronnie> ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[17:33] <rokyronnie> RtMidiOut::initialize: error creating ALSA sequencer client object.
[17:33] <rokyronnie> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'rtmidi::RtError'
[17:33] <rokyronnie> Aborted
[17:34] <rokyronnie> what should I do?
[17:34] <ddecator> also
[17:34] <ddecator> !pastebin | rokyronnie
[17:34] <ubot2> rokyronnie: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[17:34] <ddecator> :)
[17:35] <rokyronnie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/566385/
[17:35] <rokyronnie> there it is, sorry
[17:37] <gpc> you may want to give tuxguitar a try if you can't get guitar pro working
[17:38] <szczur> rokyronnie, try sudo modprobe snd-seq
[17:38] <szczur> and then run the program
[17:38] <rokyronnie> yes yes
[17:38] <rokyronnie> it works :D:D
[17:39] <rokyronnie> can I add that command to start-up ? I don't wanna enter it every time I will open the GP
[17:39] <szczur> check if you have sound
[17:40] <szczur> if it works flawlessly then do this
[17:40] <szczur> sudo echo snd-seq >> /etc/modules
[17:40] <szczur> and then this module willl be loaded at boot
[17:40] <szczur> or wait
[17:40] <szczur> 5 sec
[17:40] <szczur> i'll just check something
[17:41] <szczur> just like i thought
[17:42] <szczur> rokyronnie, sudo su
[17:42] <szczur> and then echo snd-seq >> /etc/modules
[17:42] <szczur> then it will work at boot time
[17:43] <rokyronnie> thank you :D, I'll try that immediatly, just let me see if it works, for the first :P
[17:50] <rokyronnie> I have to download soundbanks first, but... in the Audio Settings I see no Midi Out Devices
[17:50] <rokyronnie> why? I must say I use OSS4
[17:51] <rokyronnie> at Soundcard it show me PulseAudio output, but my defaut device is OSS4, why isn't it there ? :-?
[17:54] <bioterror> szczur, you make my cry, I'm so proud!
[17:55] <szczur> huh?
[17:55] <bioterror> :D
[17:55] <JoeMaverickSett> szczur: his way of saying, you're an awesome padawan ;D
[17:56] <szczur> rokyronnie, unfortunately i have no experience with Pulseaudioi'll search for something
[17:56] <szczur> JoeMaverickSett, yeah... :P
[17:56] <rokyronnie> thank you :)
[18:09] <szczur> rokyronnie, you can try using timidity as your midi sound server
[18:09] <szczur> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Midi/SoftwareSynthesisHowTo#Installing%20TiMidity++
[18:09] <rokyronnie> oh, I'll try that :D
[18:10] <szczur> but don't know if it works well since i don't have the way to check it
[18:11] <rokyronnie> ok, but, what command I must use for repositories?
[18:12] <rokyronnie> oh, nevermind :D
[18:12] <szczur> you don't have to add teh repositories
[18:13] <szczur> you can donwload the package with the link below
[18:13] <szczur> ad for the future, you can add repositories by going to synaptic. Clicking on Settings > Repositories
[18:14] <rokyronnie> I aded in the file
[18:15] <szczur> click on the other sources tab and click add button. then paste the repository line and that's all
[18:16] <szczur> you can update the package list after this
[18:16] <szczur> this will be for the future
[18:16] <szczur> if some command will require adding a repository
[18:18] <Goog_Josh1> can anybody help me to install and run kylix 3 on my ubuntu 1010
[18:18] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1010 in drivel "out-of-date" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010
[18:19] <rokyronnie> szczur: stll here?
[18:20] <rokyronnie> I have  a problem
[18:20] <szczur> yes
[18:20] <rokyronnie> in that tutorial at point where I must set up timidity++ ...
[18:20] <rokyronnie> there are 5 commands
[18:21] <rokyronnie> everything is fine, just at the sudo modprobe snd-seq-oss I recieve: FATAL: Module snd_seq_oss not found.
[18:21] <rokyronnie> the rest of them are fine
[18:26] <rokyronnie> I think I've done, but I see no Timidity in Midi out settings in GP
[18:28] <szczur> hmm :/
[18:39] <rokyronnie> what can I do ?
[18:39] <bioterror> as it's saturday, have a beer
[18:39] <szczur> rokyronnie, don't know, i'm out of ideas. Maybe you should try tuxguitar as someone stated before
[18:40] <bioterror> rokyronnie, Tony Iommi didnt use Guitar Pro when he played Iron Man and N.I.B. ;)
[18:41] <rokyronnie> I know :)))
[18:41] <bioterror> neither did Josh Homme with Kyuss ;)
[18:41] <szczur> or maybe try guitar pro for windows running through wine
[18:41] <szczur> maybe it will help a little
[18:42] <szczur> don't know
[18:42] <gpc> I doubt that will work
[18:42] <gpc> guitar pro probably needs a bunch of dll's that will just be a headache to try and get working but give it a try if you want
[18:43] <gpc> if you do decide to go the wine way #winehq will be the place to ask
[18:44] <gpc> I think tuxguitar is probably your best bet
[18:44] <szczur> !
[18:49] <rokyronnie> I'll try tuxguitar, thanks
[19:02] <rokyronnie> how can I navigate as the root?
[19:02] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: navigate what?
[19:03] <rokyronnie> There are many places where you can't create a folder, for example, if you are not the root
[19:03] <bioterror> !sudo | rokyronnie
[19:03] <ubot2> rokyronnie: sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[19:03] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: yea like your files system folder where you probaly shouldnt go messing with ;)
[19:04] <rokyronnie> yes, but If I want to modify something? I don't know how to do that from terminal
[19:05] <bioterror> rokyronnie, read what ubot told ya
[19:05] <bioterror> !cli | rokyronnie
[19:05] <ubot2> rokyronnie: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal or type in it: man intro
[19:06] <ddecator> bioterror: somebody learned the factoids..
[19:06] <luc_> somebody can tell me why ubunto doesn't recognize my usb memory stick?
[19:06] <bioterror> ddecator, those should be first thing to learn when becomes a UBT member
[19:07] <stlsaint> luc_: you sure its not there and your just not seeing?
[19:07] <bioterror> luc_, in terminal: dmesg
[19:07] <ddecator> helpful yes, but there are a few of us who don't like to use factoids too much :)
[19:07] <bioterror> luc_, it should tell you something
[19:07] <szczur> rokyronnie, you can also became a root user by doing "sudo su" and confirming with your password
[19:07] <stlsaint> bioterror: run from terminal the command "mount"
[19:07] <stlsaint> minus the ""
[19:08] <stlsaint> its a shame that i even have to say that but you would be amazed
[19:08] <bioterror> stlsaint, I'm not running anything ;)
[19:08] <szczur> rokyronnie, or "su root" and then entering the root password
[19:08] <bioterror> szczur, sudo passwd root, first
[19:08] <aveilleux> szczur: Ubuntu does not have root enabled by default and it shouldn't be disabled anyway ;-)
[19:08] <stlsaint> LOL
[19:08] <aveilleux> er
[19:08] <stlsaint> bioterror: i didnt mean you
[19:08] <aveilleux> enabled*
[19:08] <szczur> by default the rpoot password isn't set. you can set it by running sudo passwd and entering the password twice
[19:09] <stlsaint> luc_: from terminal run "mount"
[19:09] <szczur> heh
[19:10] <aveilleux> szczur: But there's no reason to enable root and it opens a security hole.
[19:10] <rokyronnie> ok, I kew about sudo su, but this is not gonna help me if I navigate through directories with "explorer" I don't know how it's called in Ubuntu
[19:10] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: from terminal run: sudo nautilus
[19:11] <rokyronnie> thx
[19:11] <aveilleux> rokyronnie, stlsaint: gksudo nautilus # not sudo
[19:12] <luc_> mount and dmesg already done, and nothing...:-((
[19:13] <bioterror> luc_, what did dmesg say
[19:13] <bioterror> did it inform about sdX ?
[19:14] <stlsaint> aveilleux: the gk is not required
[19:14] <rokyronnie> got to go, be right back
[19:14] <stlsaint> aveilleux: maybe alright practice but sudo is not a wrong command to use when wanting to use any graphical interface
[19:15] <luc_> dmesg say a lot of things, where I can found sdX?
[19:15] <bioterror> at the end
[19:15] <bioterror> I assume
[19:15] <bioterror> if you have just plugged the usb drive in
[19:16] <bioterror> usb 2-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7
[19:16] <bioterror> sd 14:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg11 type 0
[19:16] <aveilleux> stlsaint: It may work properly but some programs' configurations get royally screwed up if you use sudo instead of gksudo.
[19:16] <bioterror> sd 14:0:0:0: [sdk] 3932160 512-byte logical blocks: (2.01 GB/1.87 G
[19:16] <bioterror> something like that
[19:17] <luc_> Attached SCSI removable disk is the last. I can't see any sdX...
[19:17] <bioterror> X is any letter
[19:17] <bioterror> that's why  capitalized it
[19:19] <meerkat> hi
[19:19] <luc_> and ,please,how can install brasero, I can t see any setup file...
[19:19] <bioterror> one thing at the time
[19:19] <stlsaint> meerkat: yo yo
[19:20] <stlsaint> bioterror: hehe, i was just about to post command ;)
[19:20] <meerkat> i have some troubles here
[19:20] <meerkat> on meerkat
[19:21] <luc_> sdb?
[19:21] <bioterror> luc, sudo mount /dev/sdb<tab> /mnt/
[19:21] <bioterror> possible sdb1
[19:21] <bioterror> thats why you press tab to complete
[19:21] <stlsaint> aveilleux: aye, i have never had an issue with using it with any app but i will stick to defacto standards
[19:22] <luc_> (sdb) only
[19:23] <aveilleux> stlsaint: the de facto standard for graphical apps is gksudo :P
[19:23] <aveilleux> stlsaint: Or kdesu
[19:23] <bioterror> luc_, after that command: ls /mnt/
[19:23] <bioterror> luc_, you should see your files
[19:24] <bioterror> unless you get error message which would be nice to know
[19:24] <stlsaint> aveilleux: aye, thus i said i will stick to it when giving support
[19:27] <duanedesign> hmm
[19:28] <luc_> i can see now sdb1
[19:28] <bioterror> we know it as you told us it was in dmesg
[19:28] <luc_> but still not yet usb ...
[19:29] <bioterror> do you see files under /mnt
[19:29] <JackyAlcine> like a charm, duanedesign.
[19:29] <paultag> 'grats JackyAlcine
[19:29] <duanedesign> coolio
[19:30] <JackyAlcine> do I have to say thanks again? lol
[19:30] <duanedesign> your very welcome
[19:31] <luc_> can't find mnt
[19:32] <bioterror>  /mnt
[19:32] <bioterror> not mnt, /mnt
[19:32] <luc_> yes, /mnt
[19:32] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_directory_structure
[19:33] <bioterror> after you said "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt", did you say "ls /mnt"?
[19:33] <bioterror> without ""
[19:35] <luc_> run /mnt? sorry, I've just installed ubuntu,...
[19:35] <luc_> and I start to hate it...
[19:36] <bioterror> yeah, it sucks to check wheter your usb stick is broken or something else is the problem
[19:37] <luc_> usb works fine in windows...
[19:37] <bioterror> but there are things that needs to be done to investigate
[19:38] <luc_> anyway, thanks for your time. :-)
[19:40] <luc_> leaving
[19:40] <bioterror> stlsaint, seems like we never got into the brasero
[19:41] <bioterror> tomorrow someone can tell how to remove ubuntu partition
[19:41] <stlsaint> hehe
[19:46] <s-fox> Hello.
[19:48] <JackyAlcine> Hey s-fox
[19:48] <s-fox> Hello JackyAlcine
[19:48] <s-fox> How are you?
[19:49] <JackyAlcine> A bit excited, I've just earned UBT membership.
[19:49] <JackyAlcine> And working on a few applications, how about you?
[19:50] <s-fox> Congratulations JackyAlcine .
[19:51] <dairpo> Hi, I am having trouble reverting from my trial version of Ubuntu 10.10 to my normal OS (Mac OSX)
[19:51] <stlsaint> dairpo: theres a trial version of Ubuntu?
[19:51] <stlsaint> wow, ive missed that much eh ?? hehe
[19:52] <dairpo> I downloaded the .ISO and burned it to disc, when the disc booted I could "try Ubuntu" or Install. I selected "try" but can no longer boot from my harddrive, only from the cd
[19:52] <dairpo> I'm probably just using the wrong terminology :)
[19:53] <stlsaint> dairpo: then select to boot to the hdd or go into bios and ensure the hdd is set as the primary boot medium
[19:53] <dairpo> where would I go to select boot?
[19:53] <stlsaint> dairpo: dont macs have some sort of bios?
[19:54] <bioterror> stlsaint, no
[19:54] <bioterror> stlsaint, OpenFirmware or EFI
[19:54] <stlsaint> LOL, that sucks
[19:54] <bioterror> no it does not
[19:54] <stlsaint> bioterror: well i mean it sucks cause i have no idea how to help get to boot medium now
[19:55] <bioterror> 1980's just called and they said that they want their anciet bios back
[19:55] <stlsaint> lol
[19:55] <stlsaint> i like bios
[19:55] <stlsaint> simple yet effective
[19:55] <stlsaint> bioterror: well maybe you are better suited to tell op how to boot to internal drive
[19:56] <dairpo> I know to hit "c" during boot to get to an option before the OS gets going, but it only lets me jump to the CD
[19:57] <stlsaint> dairpo: um did you take the cd out the system?
[19:57] <bioterror> dairpo, press "option" key
[19:57] <dairpo> It tells me then that there is no drive available to boot from, so I have to turn off and reboot with the disc in
[19:57] <bioterror> it's the one with "alt"
[19:58] <dairpo> When I start up the computer?
[19:58] <bioterror> yes
[19:58] <aveilleux> dairpo: Do you have your OSX install CD? Or the recovery CD?
[19:58] <stlsaint> really, all that is requried to get back to master drive??
[19:59] <dairpo> I might--the computer is getting old and I<ve moved a few times, so it's probably buried. I am going to try to option button--is there anything else I should know before signing off?
[19:59] <aveilleux> stlsaint: This is EFI we're talking about here :P
[20:00] <aveilleux> stlsaint: A ridiculously complicated method for performing boot operations
[20:00] <stlsaint> oh dear
[20:00] <aveilleux> dairpo: I only ask because you can open Terminal on the install CD and re-bless your hard drive so it's bootable
[20:01] <stlsaint> oh wait i think i use efi on our newest desktops at work
[20:01] <bioterror> aveilleux, should be done with the option key
[20:01] <stlsaint> i dunno but i know im heading to bed folks...night night
[20:02] <aveilleux> bioterror: You can't re-bless drives from EFI
[20:02] <dairpo> alright, i"ll give it a try. thanks!!
[20:02] <bioterror> Startup Disk - Holding the Option Key at boot time activates a boot manager built in to the firmware, where the user may choose from which drive/partition to boot the computer from, including Mac OS and Mac OS X partitions or drives on PowerPC-based Macs, and Mac OS X and Microsoft Windows partitions or drives on Intel-based Macs (running Mac OS X 10.4.6 and later with Boot Camp from Apple
[20:02] <bioterror> Inc. installed). The built in bootloader can also boot other operating systems such as Linux; however, these are labeled as "Windows" in the bootloader.
[20:03] <aveilleux> bioterror: Yes, I'm aware you can get to the boot menu from EFI. That's not what "blessing" a drive means.
[20:04] <JackyAlcine> aveilleux: Like reinstalling the MBR/GUID to it?
[20:05] <aveilleux> JackyAlcine: ...kind of. You know how the GRUB files are in /boot, while GRUB itself is installed into the MBR? Since the EFI is the bootloader (no MBR on a proper OSX drive), it searches for the system files on the "blessed" drive.
[20:05] <bioterror> aveilleux, you can do that from os x after succesfull boot
[20:06] <aveilleux> bioterror: Ah, but they aren't successfully booting, are they?
[20:06] <JackyAlcine> Lol, touché.
[20:06] <bioterror> aveilleux, I think we'll see
[20:10] <bioterror> 8 minutes, I think he would have returned if in that time if the option -key has failed
[20:11] <bioterror> minus first if
[20:13] <bioterror> dairpo, didnt work?
[20:13] <dairpo> it did, I'm back in OSX now. I wanted to jump back to say "Thanks"... so thanks for the help!
[20:13] <bioterror> you're welcome
[20:13] <JackyAlcine> cheers dairpo
[20:14] <bioterror> dairpo, aveilleux thinks you have to "bless" your os x partition
[20:14] <dairpo> I'm going to go into the start up tool next and make sure that I have my Harddrive as #1 option, and write the "option" button thing on the CD for when I try to test again tomorrow (incase I forget). Cheers!
[20:15] <aveilleux> dairpo: That blesses the drive too.
[20:15] <bioterror> aveilleux, so mine suggetion was faster than finding a OS X DVD somewhere
[20:15] <bioterror> +s
[20:16] <dairpo> Yup. Alright, hopefully I've learned my lesson and won't be back here any time soon :) Have a good one and thanks again
[20:20] <aveilleux> bioterror: If yours hadn't worked then mine would have been the alternative :P
[20:21] <bioterror> :--)
[20:21] <acesofsky87> i am new to linux can you guys suggest me some good IDE like visual studio for windows
[20:22] <aveilleux> acesofsky87: Not many IDEs exist on Linux... Eclipse is the only one that comes to mind.
[20:23] <acesofsky87> is there any way if building gui with eclipse
[20:23] <acesofsky87> i have used it for development in java
[20:23] <aveilleux> acesofsky87: There's only a few GUI builders around, I can't remember the names though
[20:23] <aveilleux> acesofsky87: What language are you going to be programming in?
[20:23] <acesofsky87> C++
[20:24] <aveilleux> acesofsky87: You'll really want to get used to programming with text then... Microsoft's Visual C++ uses the .NET environment to build the GUIs, which doesn't exist on Linux
[20:25] <aveilleux> acesofsky87: I believe there's one called Glade... let me grab a link
[20:25] <aveilleux> acesofsky87: http://glade.gnome.org/
[20:25] <jimmycross> is there any reason that a module listed in /etc/modules and /etc/modules.conf would not load on boot (besides spelling error)
[20:25] <jimmycross> ?
[20:25] <aveilleux> jimmycross: Is it in /etc/modules/blacklist.conf?
[20:26] <jimmycross> pretty sure it isn't
[20:26] <jimmycross> modified blacklist not to include
[20:26] <jimmycross> double checking...
[20:27] <acesofsky87> thanx aveilleux am looking into it
[20:27] <szczur> acesofsky87, there's anjuta too > http://www.anjuta.org/features.html
[20:27] <aveilleux> acesofsky87: You'll want to look into the Gtk+ bindings for C++ as well. http://www.gtkmm.org/en/
[20:32] <jimmycross> +aveilleux: the module is not blacklisted
[20:39] <jimmycross> One of the steps included in the installation did require me to create a directory in /etc called sysconfig
[20:40] <aveilleux> jimmycross: What module did you install?
[20:41] <jimmycross> ralink rt3572sta.ko for the wusb600n v2 from cisco
[20:41] <jimmycross> I've been on forums for days- following instructions to install
[20:41] <jimmycross> it works, but I have to load the module each time
[20:43] <aveilleux> jimmycross: A kludgy solution that comes up right away in my mind is to put the module load code into /etc/rc.local so it runs on boot
[20:43] <aveilleux> jimmycross: That's not an ideal solution though
[20:43] <jimmycross> kludgy
[20:44] <jimmycross> excuse my lack of knowledge, but would that code be the same 'insmod rtxxxxxxx.ko'
[20:44] <jimmycross> that I use anyway
[20:44] <jimmycross> ?
[20:46] <aveilleux> that doesn't seem right...
[20:47] <jimmycross> The README tells me that if I want the driver to load on boot i need to edit a file in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts
[20:47] <jimmycross> I had to create those two directories, and the file
[20:48] <jimmycross> it felt counter-intuitive, because if the directories weren't there to begin with, then nothing would be pointing to them in the first place
[20:57] <aveilleux> jimmycross: Then the readme is incorrect
[21:02] <jimmycross> +aveilleux: ah.
[21:03] <jimmycross> then I suppose I shall continue searching
[21:04] <aveilleux> jimmycross: Can you pastebin the readme?
[21:04] <jimmycross> pastebin?
[21:04] <jimmycross> not paste the entire readme here, right?
[21:05] <jimmycross> here are those instructions
[21:05] <jimmycross> If you want for rt3572 driver to auto-load at boot time: A) choose ra0 for first RT3572/RT2870 WLAN card, ra1 for second RT3572/RT2870 WLAN card, etc.     B) create(edit) 'ifcfg-ra0' file in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/,          edit( or add the line) in /etc/modules.conf:        alias ra0 rt3572sta     C) edit(create) the file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ra0      DEVICE='ra0'    ONBOOT='yes'
[21:08] <jimmycross> lightbulb
[21:08] <aveilleux> jimmycross: ......no, I meant use Pastebin. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[21:09] <jimmycross> just discovered that I had created the file 'ifconfig-ra0' not 'ifcfg-ra0'
[21:09] <jimmycross> but I will learn pastebin now anyway
[21:11] <jimmycross> here you go: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/566452/
[21:11] <jimmycross> In the mean time, I'll follow the instructions correctly
[21:12] <jimmycross> (having possibly discovered the root of my problem
[21:15] <jimmycross> I am going down for reboot to try it. If it doesn't work, It will be a whie before I return. Have you anything to say before I go?
[21:17] <hajour> jimmycross,  its better to put the name in line from the person most of us have more channels we are in :)
[21:17] <hajour> if the name is in line the channel name lights up jimmycross :)
[21:18] <jimmycross> +hajour: excuse me. That message was for +aveilleux
[21:19] <hajour> that i thought already jimmycross  and you dont have to excuse for it.i said it to help you :)
[21:19] <jimmycross> +aveilleux: going down for reboot to see if I've solved my own problem. If not, it may be a while before I return. Have you anything to say before I go?
[21:20] <jimmycross> +hajour: thank you very much.
[21:20] <hajour> your welcome jimmycross :)
[21:22] <jimmycross> I will return
[21:26] <Jaak> hello
[21:31] <jimmycross> +aveilleux: renaming the file did nothing
[21:49] <szczur> jimmycross, load the module manually and do sudo /sbin/depmod -a
[21:49] <szczur> then reboot the pc and tell me if it changed anything
[21:50] <jimmycross> szczur: will do
[21:52] <jimmycross> szczur: do I need to be in the directory of the module I want to map, or in / ?
[21:54] <jimmycross> szczur: nevermind- done. logging out
[21:57] <bioterror> Elise001, did you uninstall those propietary graphics drivers?
[22:01] <jimmycross> szczur: no dice- still have to load driver manually
[22:02] <szczur> :/
[22:10] <jimmycross> szczur: should I have run that command from the directory containing the module? I did it from /
[22:54] <Elise001> bioterror: Not yet. Tried to.
[22:55] <Elise001> Getting interesting screen output on my old Compaq portable running netbook Ubuntu.
[22:56] <Elise001> Here is some of it:
[22:57] <Elise001> BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s! [compiz:1501]
[22:58] <Elise001> Stack:
[22:58] <Elise001> Call Trace:
[22:59] <Elise001> Code: 66 90 e8 fb ce aa ff 66 90 c9 c3 eb 05 90 90 90 90 90 55 48
[23:00] <Elise001> 89 e5 53 0f 1f 44 00 00 48 89 and so on.
[23:00] <Elise001> Ctrl alt delete won't do anything.
[23:00] <Elise001> Esc won't do anything either.
[23:01] <Elise001> Thinking of unplugging unit, removing battery, and then rebooting.
[23:03] <charlie-tca> Elise001: there should be a kerneloops log too. There is not much you can do with that
[23:07] <Elise001> kerneloops log?
[23:08] <Elise001> Restarting Compaq with Ubuntu.
[23:08] <charlie-tca> yeah, that bug is usually a kernel lockup, and it generates what is called a kerneloops, sometimes accompanied by flashing capslock and numlock keyboard lights
[23:08] <Elise001> By the way, has anyone "seen" Seidos?
[23:09] <Elise001> I've been trying to contact him. We are both students at Civil Hackers School of San Francisco.
[23:09] <Elise001> But I still have a lot to learn about Ubuntu.
[23:10] <UndiFineD> hello Elise001
[23:11] <Elise001> UndiFineD: Is that you Seidos?
[23:12] <UndiFineD> no no :)
[23:12] <MrChrisDruif> Elise001: No, I haven't seen seidos today...
[23:14] <Elise001> Ubuntu is back up on  my old Compaq nonstandard (I think) portable.
[23:15] <MrChrisDruif> We can't see, can we? O:-)
[23:17] <Elise001> Having trouble getting on internet.
[23:18] <Elise001> This netbook running windows xp can communicate with my zwire493. But my compaq running ubuntu seems not to.
[23:19] <Elise001> Just got msg 2wire 493 connection established. So will try again on Compaq.
[23:19] <Elise001> But it is very slow.
[23:20] <UndiFineD> Sorry Elise001 I do not know the hardware
[23:20] <Elise001> Trying latest headlines.
[23:21] <Elise001> Firefox can't find server at www.bbc.co.uk. I'll try on this computer.
[23:22] <Elise001> Comes up fine on this Samsung netbook running windows xp.
[23:25] <MrChrisDruif> Elise001: I only saw something about a Compaq, not a model :)
[23:33] <Elise001> Page fianlly coming up on Fifrefox on compaq.
[23:47] <nightangel> hey i have a quck nub question about loading ubuntu
[23:47] <nightangel> quick**
[23:48] <nightangel> how do i load ubuntu along side my current OS with out deleting it
[23:55] <UndiFineD> nightangel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays/01292011/Tips%20and%20tricks%20for%20multi-booters
[23:56] <UndiFineD> that is a recent user days session
[23:56] <UndiFineD> !dualboot
[23:56] <ubot2> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot