[00:03] <maco> do belgian beers have strawberries and whipped cream, like belgian waffles?
[00:08] <doctormo> maco: I don't think belgian waffles even have strawberries and whipped cream from a can.
[00:21] <mhall119> I'm not entirely sure belgian waffles are actually belgian
[00:21] <sense> Partially, probably, like everything originates from different places.
[00:24] <JanC> maco: Oudbeitje is brwed with strawberries
[00:25] <JanC> and waffles from Brussels or Liège don't have strawberries"
[00:26] <JanC> in Brussels they often have whipped cream, in Liège they have apple syrup (or maybe other syrup)
[00:29] <JanC> in West Flanders we have "lukken" which are somewhat like thin, hard waffles: http://belgiancookieiron.com/cookie.htm  ;)
[00:40] <mhall119> mmmm, apple syrup
[00:51] <doctormo> JanC: In England they have baked beans.
[00:51] <JanC> doctormo: lol
[00:51] <JanC> doctormo: unless you bake those too hard they don't look like cookies I presume  :P
[00:59] <doctormo> JanC: Didn't I give you a cookie before?
[01:00] <JanC> doctormo: does that mean I need to give you a cookie beer?  :P
[01:00] <doctormo> No thanks
[01:00] <JanC> you don't like cookie beer?
[01:01] <JanC> https://belgianbeershrimper.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/23-cookie-beer/  ;-)
[01:03] <JanC> maco: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/636/5586 for the strawberry beer BTW
[01:03] <JanC> maco: if you don't like sour beers, add some honey (or sugar) to it  ;)
[01:23] <doctormo> JanC: I don't like beer
[01:23] <JanC> hehe
[01:23] <maco> JanC: i dont drink
[01:23] <JanC> dammit
[01:26] <JanC> maco: we also have chocolate with strawberries?  :P
[01:27] <JanC> and chocloate with "speculaas" cookies
[01:27] <JanC> (like the cookie beer)
[01:27] <JanC> problem solved?  :P
[01:33] <paultag> JanC: thanks, man
[01:33] <paultag> JanC: I need it, dude :)
[01:34] <paultag> JanC: I've got a belgian style IPA right now, it's quite nice
[01:34]  * JanC wonders what a Belgian Style Indian Pale Ale tastes like  :P
[01:35] <paultag> JanC: it's nice. It's mostly like any other IPA, but with a bit of spice that's quite nice after the bitterness cuts down. It's also got a nice hint of fruit, I think aprocot
[01:35] <paultag> JanC: the beer's called "Raging Bitch", I recomend it totally
[01:35] <paultag> I'll BRB, need to make another beer run :)
[01:36] <JanC> paultag: do you mean "Dulle Teve" ?
[01:37] <JanC> from the "Dolel Brouwers" in Esen?
[01:37] <JanC> "Dolle Brouwers"
[01:38] <JanC> that's a brewery close to where I grew up and where my parents live (and I visited that brewery once)
[01:38] <JanC> their beers are generally well-hopped and rather strong  ;)
[01:42] <JanC> http://www.dedollebrouwers.be/en/dulleteve.htm
[01:51] <JanC> searching around shows up a US beer "raging bitch"  ;)
[02:04] <paultag> JanC: that beer is from a brewery called Flying Dog
[02:05] <paultag> it's very nice :)
[02:05] <JanC> stealing names so close to belgian beer names isn't so nice though  ;)
[02:05] <paultag> JanC: ja :)
[02:06] <JanC> but AFAIk that US brewery is pretty good
[02:06] <paultag> JanC: yes, it's one of the better ones. If you're interested, I'd send you some beer, if you send me some
[02:07] <paultag> JanC: I swear it won't be bad :)
[02:09] <paultag> JanC: I'm going to head back with my friends, but let me know if you want to swap beer :)
[02:09] <paultag> /away!
[02:09] <JanC> you bring some to Belgium next time you come to an open source event here   ;)
[02:29] <doctormo> JanC: When is there ever likely to be an other event in Belgium that I can afford to come to :-(
[02:29] <doctormo> Hey paultag, having a good night I see
[02:34] <JanC> doctormo: maybe one they UDS will be here again?  ;)
[02:34] <JanC> one day
[02:36] <JanC> doctormo: are you going to LGM 2011 ?
[02:36] <JanC> in Montreal
[02:39] <JanC> http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/
[02:40] <JanC> doctormo: I think you would love LGM  ☺
[02:40] <doctormo> I think it would be easier to get to than most things
[02:40] <doctormo> Thanks for reminding me about it
[02:40] <JanC> they really love artists/users to be around
[02:41] <JanC> or even to give a talk
[02:41] <doctormo> JanC: I don't think UDS will ever be in either Boston or Belgium again. It's likey to be Florida forever.
[02:42] <JanC> forever is a long time  :P
[02:43] <pleia2> boston is cooold in november :)
[02:43] <JanC> anyway, maybe you could even make a proposal for a talk at LGM
[02:43] <maco> pleia2: maybe if it was at mit so we could use the steam tunnels...
[02:45] <pleia2> hehe
[02:49] <doctormo> JanC: It's at exactly the same time as UDS in Budapest
[02:49] <JanC> doctormo: ugh, didn't think about that
[02:50] <doctormo> I guess it might work as a consolation prize if I don't get to go to Hungry :-()
[02:50]  * maco gives doctormo an 'a'
[02:50] <maco> though they are the same in ASL
[02:50] <JanC> doctormo: lots of good people at LGM too though!
[02:52] <doctormo> true
[02:52] <JanC> http://gallery.constantvzw.org/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=32545&g2_serialNumber=1  --> has lots of Ubuntu users, even if most are not really actively participating
[02:52] <doctormo> I guess I really have no need to go to UDS, I didn't feel very useful at the last UDS.
[02:57] <JanC> even if you are only useful for some discussions, that's at least something
[02:58] <JanC> OTOH, if you get no funding, I'm sure the LGM people would be happy to get your input too  ☺
[03:04] <pleia2> doctormo: sent an email to hajni in hungary, if she can't help uds.ubuntu.com/travel/ does give a link to making reservations at the same hotel so if all else fails we could see about just going with the same hotel and tring to get $$$ for that
[03:05] <doctormo> pleia2: We should certainly have a price for the hotel too, try and get a price for with and without association.
[03:05] <pleia2> doctormo: ok, will do
[03:05] <doctormo> JanC: I don't understand what you mean bu funding.
[03:06] <JanC> doctormo: if you don't get sponsorship or whatever to come to Europe
[03:07] <doctormo> JanC: I understand now.
[03:07] <maco> pleia2: the official uds hotel is going to ridiculously expensive
[03:07] <doctormo> UDS is fun for me though, I'm an ideas person, if not the greatest person for finishing anything.
[03:08] <maco> pleia2: the barcelona one was 250€/night
[03:08] <pleia2> maco: yeah, that's why we're asking some ubuntu-hu folks for alternate suggestions
[03:08] <doctormo> pleia2: I normally also use a google map search of the area with hotel as the keyword
[03:08] <pleia2> but it may not be cheaper elsewhere, or difficult to arrange logistically (I imagine Orlando was much easier!)
[03:08] <pleia2> doctormo: *nod* I'd hate to put people up in like, the red light district of budapest, and not realize it ;)
[03:08] <doctormo> Orlando was hard, there's no public transport, no walkways.
[03:09] <doctormo> So while my Barcelona hotel was further away, it was easier to walk to UDS than in Orlando.
[03:09] <pleia2> sucky
[03:09] <doctormo> I did walk in Dallas though... well for as long as I wasn't hoping around.
[03:10] <doctormo> And that was much further, 3 miles.
[03:10]  * maco still thinks dc would be a great uds spot and would be surprised if any uds attendee could not find food from their native country
[03:10] <doctormo> But UDS was running a bus back, so getting back into town was easy.
[03:11] <doctormo> pleia2: So transport is certainly important.
[03:11]  * pleia2 nods
[03:11] <JanC> maco: somehow I suspect DC is quite expensive  ;)
[03:12] <doctormo> But I think Europe will be easier there, except if UDS in in the middle of a Belgian forrest.
[03:12] <JanC> there is e reason UDS in Belgium was outside of Brussels  ;)
[03:12] <maco> JanC: thre are certainly hotels here cheaper than the ones uds normally happens at...
[03:12] <doctormo> JanC: All I know is, it's a good job that was my one and only sponsored UDS, there was no hotels in the area.
[03:12] <pleia2> UDS should come back to the bay area \o/
[03:13] <pleia2> then they don't need to go to the trouble of shipping jono out
[03:13] <pleia2> (or me)
[03:13]  * doctormo is lucky
[03:13] <doctormo> pleia2: They should bring it back to Boston, then they don't have to ship out 12 people from Lexington.
[03:13] <maco> JanC: letting a flat is expensive here. and starbucks costs like 25¢ more than elsewhere in the US.  thats all i got
[03:14] <JanC> doctormo: there were 1 or 2 other hotels, but nothing cheap I think  :-(
[03:14] <doctormo> maco: But the politics is cheap, right?
[03:14] <maco> doctormo: heh yeah...
[03:14] <maco> oh the entertainment is cheap...all the museums are free!
[03:14] <JanC> maco: I mean for the conference venue
[03:14] <doctormo> maco: So, just like England then?
[03:14] <JanC> actually, if UDS is in Ter Hulpen, Belgium again, I can offer some people a free place to sleep  ;)
[03:15] <maco> doctormo: i havent looked at flat prices in england, but edinburgh? a 2-bedroom flat there costs HALF what my one-bedroom does here!
[03:15] <JanC> (a limited number though)
[03:17] <doctormo> maco: Edinburgh is Scotland and it's population is small. Consider London, and prepare hair dye, because your hair will surely go white.
[03:29] <maco> hahaha
[03:29] <maco> doctormo: over £1000/mo?
[03:30] <doctormo> maco: absolutely, £1k might get you a shoddy room in a share somewhere in Fulham, nothing in London propper.
[03:31] <maco> (i said 1000, because thats how much, in pounds, i pay for my place)
[03:31] <JanC> ugh
[03:32] <JanC> that's insane...   :-/
[03:36] <maco> im used to it
[03:37] <maco> for about.... $1200/£800/1000€ could get a studio (no bedroom, just a big room with a stove and a wc and a closet if you're lucky) with cockroaches
[03:37] <maco> (voice of experience...)
[03:38] <maco> doctormo: do people in london earn better than the rest of the uk? because if you're paying well over 1000 quid, youd need to earn 40K or so to live comfortably (partly because you lose 20% on taxes...)
[03:39] <maco> (or does the "your rent/mortgage should not be more than 1/3 your income" rule not exist over there?)
[03:39] <pleia2> some people are content to be house poor :)
[03:39] <pleia2> especially to live in a city
[03:40] <pleia2> 1/3 is pretty conservative
[03:40] <maco> O_o
[03:40] <maco> my dad is shocked that *an entire third omg* is going to my rent
[03:40] <pleia2> I pay 100% to live here, it's a good thing I live with my boyfriend ;)
[03:41] <maco> meanwhile i usually hear financial planning people say "try to get your mortgage payments down to under 1/3...."
[03:41] <maco> wow
[03:41] <pleia2> I couldn't afford to live in SF alone
[03:41] <maco> how much is rent there?
[03:41] <maco> ive heard its horribly expensive, but then my parents say the same about dc and im used to it, so...
[03:42] <pleia2> my boyfriend paid $2400 for his 2 bedroom place
[03:42] <maco> a month?
[03:42] <pleia2> owning is more, and we own now
[03:42] <pleia2> yeah
[03:42] <maco> O_O
[03:42] <maco> hm wait well i gues thats not actually a whole lot more than here
[03:42] <maco> about $300 difference probably
[03:44]  * JanC pays around 420 EUR / month on his mortgage for a small house (and it's really small, but still...)
[03:44] <maco> yeah, my mom says $600 (which is about that) would get a 2 bedroom flat in her area
[03:46] <JanC> I'm pretty sure i can pay half of that when I move to the south of the province...
[03:48] <JanC> of course there is totally no jobs over there eitehr  ;)
[03:53] <nigelb> morning
[03:54] <doctormo> maco: It's normally a 50% rule, 50% tax, 50% rent
[03:55] <doctormo> maco: Although my personal inner financial adviser is recommending as close to 100% as possible on mortgages.
[04:12] <doctormo> pleia2: I plan on contacting various Ubuntu news outfits asking for support with the idea of community sponsorship.
[05:29] <jono> can someone message me - testing the xchat indicator
[10:49] <duanedesign> morning all
[13:54] <mhall119> morning
[13:54] <Pendulum> hiya mhall119
[13:54] <mhall119> hi Pendulum, how goes it?
[13:55] <Pendulum> not bad, how're you?
[13:55] <mhall119> alright
[13:55] <mhall119> firing up the BBQ this morning
[13:55] <Pendulum> :D
[13:56] <duanedesign> hello mhall119  Pendulum
[13:57] <Pendulum> hiya duanedesign
[13:57] <duanedesign> Pendulum: i missed you the other day. Did you still need to talk to me about something?
[13:57] <Pendulum> duanedesign: I'm trying to figure out the right words, but I will poke you :)
[13:58] <duanedesign> okies
[14:15] <mhall119> hi duanedesign
[14:15] <duanedesign> hey there mhall119
[14:16] <duanedesign> mhall119: doing well today? Up too anything exciting?
[14:17] <mhall119> smoking meat
[14:17] <mhall119> doing naughty things with Django
[14:17] <mhall119> drinking probably unhealthy amounts of coffee
[14:17] <mhall119> you?
[14:24] <duanedesign> drinking unhealthy amounts of coffee
[14:24] <duanedesign> triaging some bugs
[14:25] <duanedesign> mhall119: I started trying to learn Django last week
[14:27] <duanedesign> it is on my VPS and I had trouble being able to access the site
[14:29] <duanedesign> i tried 'python manage.py runserver 0.0.0.0:8000' instead of localhost but still no luck.
[14:29] <duanedesign> i assume its something in my apache2.conf...
[14:30] <mhall119> if you're using manage.py runserver, you're not even using apache
[14:32] <mhall119> have you tried using the public IP?
[14:33] <duanedesign> ohhh, that is right
[14:33]  * duanedesign facepalms
[14:33] <duanedesign> mhall119: yeah i tried the public ip.
[14:35] <mhall119> no errors from runserver?
[14:36] <mhall119> who's your vps?
[14:39] <duanedesign> a friend of mine
[14:40] <mhall119> ah
[14:40] <mhall119> maybe it's not allowing incoming on port 8000?
[14:42] <duanedesign> mhall119: that is a good one to check. I thought I changed the iptable....but maybe not :)
[14:57] <nigelb> morning
[14:59] <mhall119> morning nigelb
[14:59] <nigelb> hola mhall119
[15:00] <nigelb> mhall119: I fixed that summit branch,if you've got time...
[15:00] <mhall119> not right now, but probably later today
[15:00] <nigelb> :D
[15:00] <mhall119> I've got to re-review cjohnston's too
[15:00] <nigelb> I did something neat with python-gdata today
[15:01] <mhall119> what?
[15:01] <nigelb> how'd you like to keep clicking to add things to calender? So I made a script that would process a python config file and add to google calender
[15:02] <nigelb> so events like UDW or things like patch pilot is going to be much easier :)
[15:04]  * mhall119 still thinks a classroom webapps would be better
[15:05] <duanedesign> hello nigelb
[15:05] <nigelb> hey duanedesign
[15:06] <duanedesign> mhall119: boy i am stumped. Thanks though for your help