[03:00] <dmcglone> Boo!
[03:00] <Unit193> Hello dmcglone!
[03:00] <Cheri703> hello boys
[03:01] <dmcglone> how ya'll doing?
[03:01] <Cheri703> had a good day :)
[03:02] <dmcglone> Me too the jackets won ;-)
[03:03] <dmcglone> lol
[03:03] <dmcglone> movin' on up
[03:03] <dmcglone> lol
[03:04] <dmcglone> anyone seen that new safe auto insurance commercial?
[03:04] <dmcglone> all the guys getting kicked in the ballz
[03:05] <dmcglone> it's funny
[03:05]  * Cheri703 doesn't have tv
[03:05]  * Unit193 Doesn't have cable
[03:06] <dmcglone> it first aired during the super bowl
[03:08] <dmcglone> here ya go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5nP6AURrgY
[03:12] <dmcglone> did you think that was funny?
[03:13]  * Cheri703 didn't watch, is watching something else
[03:13] <Unit193> Cheri703: Started No Ordinary Family
[03:14] <dmcglone> oh
[03:14] <Cheri703> sorry dmcglone
[03:14] <Cheri703> Unit193: what do you think?
[03:14] <Unit193> dmcglone: I will watch it later
[03:15] <dmcglone> you don't have to be sorry, just thought you would think it's funny
[03:15] <Unit193> Cheri703: Not done, first thought was it's The Incredibles
[03:15] <Cheri703> heh, yeah
[03:16] <Unit193> I'm only 34min into it
[03:17] <Cheri703> we watched 14 episodes over wednesday/thursday
[03:17] <dmcglone> how long is an episode?
[03:17] <Unit193> 42min
[03:17] <Cheri703> 42 minutes
[03:17] <dmcglone> without commercials?
[03:18] <Unit193> Yeah
[03:18] <dmcglone> dang
[03:18] <dmcglone> it must be an hour long show
[03:18] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:19] <dmcglone> usually 1/2 hour shows are actually only 15 mins long
[03:19] <Cheri703> 20 or so
[03:19] <Unit193> 21
[03:19] <dmcglone> stupid commercials
[03:19] <Cheri703> yep
[03:20] <dmcglone> I remember years ago, we paid for cable tv because it had no commercial, now days you pay out the ass for cable and have commercials
[03:20] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:21] <Cheri703> http://consumerist.com/2010/09/spike-tv-home-of-the-10-minute-commercial-breaks.html
[03:26] <dmcglone> well if that happens, they gonna be losing a lot of viewers
[03:26]  * canthus13 drools.
[03:26] <canthus13> dmcglone: Blame the greedy content providers. :(
[03:26] <Cheri703> been happening
[03:27] <dmcglone> canthus13: in this world everybody is greedy
[03:27] <canthus13> dmcglone: True.
[03:27] <dmcglone> except me :-)
[03:27] <canthus13> I'm just sayin' don't blame the cable providers.  We've gotta make a living.
[03:28] <dmcglone> Oh i'm not blaming them
[03:28] <canthus13> Fucking rate hikes after every annual contract negoation sucks. :(
[03:28] <canthus13> Don't be surprised if subscription TV collapses under it's own weight sometime in the next 15-20 years.
[03:28] <dmcglone> I can see that happening
[03:29] <dmcglone> they are raising prices so high, people will do away with it
[03:29] <canthus13> Cable providers can't keep eating the costs, and the rate hikes are just gonna keep getting worse.
[03:29] <canthus13> dmcglone: that's part of the reason comcast is so eager to buy up content providers like NBC.
[03:30] <Unit193> And you can find anything online...
[03:30] <dmcglone> instead of cable providers eating costs they can learn to cut costs like everybody else
[03:30] <canthus13> dmcglone: there aren't any costs left to cut.
[03:31] <canthus13> TV margins are razor thin. Our money comes from internet and tel, mostly.
[03:31] <canthus13> we're busting our butts to squeeze the extra dime out from efficiency now. :(
[03:32] <Cheri703> canthus13: they need people to work from home so they don't have office overhead...and hire me so I can work from a distance :)
[03:32] <canthus13> Cheri703: Heh. we're trying to convince them to do that... :)
[03:32] <dmcglone> here's one, when I gave at&t's uverse a try I didn't like it, so they had me send the equipment back at my cost, but told me to keep all the remotes
[03:32] <dmcglone> money wasted there
[03:33] <canthus13> AT&T blows.
[03:33] <dmcglone> probably millions
[03:33] <canthus13> dmcglone: We're seeing u-verse refugees all the time. I've talked to several who cancelled u-verse mid-install.
[03:34] <dmcglone> TWC sent 2 techs out on 2 separate days to hook up internet and phone
[03:34] <canthus13> but SBC has an assload of cash to burn.
[03:34] <canthus13> dmcglone: Our installers handle all 3 services.
[03:34] <dmcglone> that was a waste
[03:34] <dmcglone> I see all kinds of waste from various companies
[03:34] <canthus13> dmcglone: Depends. It can be a waste, but overall, depending on the way you organize your installs, it might not be.
[03:35] <canthus13> The big problem with separate installers is that it annoys customers.
[03:35] <dmcglone> can you imagine how much gas they burned doing it on 2 seperate trips
[03:35] <canthus13> and then they might also have something stupid with the unions going on.
[03:35] <canthus13> dmcglone: Not really. if each of those installers has 10 installs to do in a given day, it evens out.
[03:36] <canthus13> dmcglone: You're t hinking like you're the only customer. TWC is thinking like "How can we do this the most efficient way overall?"
[03:36] <canthus13> if the unions they deal with say that different skillsets can't overlap, then they have to work around that.
[03:36] <dmcglone> last week I had my house insulated, they guys left their big half size semi truck running for 4 days for 8 hours
[03:36] <canthus13> Wow.
[03:37] <dmcglone> companies just keep on wasting
[03:37] <canthus13> That's nuts, unless the semi was also doubling as the power source for the insulation blower.
[03:37] <dmcglone> they didn't blow the insulation until the 4th day
[03:37] <canthus13> That's just stupid.
[03:37] <dmcglone> the first 3 days was prep work
[03:38] <dmcglone> now I know why it was so damn expensive to get it done
[03:39] <canthus13> teh idling prolly wasn't as expensive as it seems, but still.. 8 hours would be ~30 bucks or so.
[03:39] <dmcglone> 3, 6, 9 120.
[03:39] <canthus13> Yup.
[03:39] <dmcglone> imagine 5 trucks
[03:39] <canthus13> I know.. it adds up.
[03:40] <dmcglone> yup
[03:40] <dmcglone> all these big ass companies are just wasteful and they nickle and dime the consumer
[03:41] <dmcglone> I may be wrong, but I do think these cable companies can cut costs tremendously
[03:42] <dmcglone> but even if they did cut costs, they aren't going to let the consumer reap any benefits
[03:43] <dmcglone> they just continue to raise prices
[03:43] <Unit193> dmcglone: You got to think "How can I pocket more money?"
[03:43] <canthus13> Some companies may waste...
[03:43] <dmcglone> yup, and thats completely wrong Unit193
[03:43] <canthus13> we bust our asses to cut costs. we've gotta stay competitive.
[03:44] <canthus13> We're a regional company, and we've pretty much pushed verizon and AT&T out.
[03:44] <dmcglone> canthus13: I'm talking about these multi-billion dollar companies
[03:44] <canthus13> they just kinda hang on the fringes wondering why the fuck they can't get a decent foothold.
[03:45] <dmcglone> well I hope you win the war and not just the battle
[03:45] <dmcglone> because I hate AT&T and Verizon
[03:45] <canthus13> we've got 3/4 the TV market, 2/3 of the broadband market, and more than half the residential tel market.  and that's not including commercial. :)
[03:45] <dmcglone> good
[03:45] <canthus13> we're a little more expensive, but only because we're paying for home-grown support.
[03:45] <canthus13> no calling india. :)
[03:45] <dmcglone> I see
[03:46] <dmcglone> yeah
[03:46] <Unit193> Would you be able to cut internet costs?
[03:46] <canthus13> We generally do.
[03:46] <canthus13> just did recently.
[03:47] <canthus13> and we also boost speeds periodically at no charge.  recently moved the 3Mbit to 4, 8 to 10, 12 to 20, added 30 and 50. :)
[03:47] <canthus13> right now the 4Mbit is going for 14.95.
[03:47] <Cheri703> o.O
[03:48] <canthus13> that's 4 down, 1 up.
[03:48] <canthus13> federal broadband minimum.
[03:48] <dmcglone> cool
[03:48] <canthus13> Of course, it's 10 bucks more a month if internet is your only service, but basic cable is only ~15 bucks a month.
[03:48] <canthus13> (basic being the local channels and not much more.)
[03:48] <dmcglone> thats another thing, why does the gov. have a say in this?
[03:49] <canthus13> dmcglone: The government should have a little say, but not much.
[03:49] <canthus13> the federal minimum is a guideline, not a requirement.
[03:49] <dmcglone> Ok
[03:49] <canthus13> we also have a slower speed. (800k/200k)
[03:49] <canthus13> works great for grandma's email. :)
[03:49] <Cheri703> dmcglone: the government subsidized telephone service back in the day, they're considering doing it with internet to make sure that EVERYONE has internet access
[03:50]  * canthus13 remembers when he would have killed for an 800k connection... :)
[03:50] <dmcglone> Oh so I guess that was the idea of " the father of the internet" (Al fuckin gore)
[03:50] <dmcglone> lol
[03:51] <canthus13> Heh.
[03:52] <dmcglone> The only father he was to anything was "bullshit"
[03:53] <dmcglone> anyone believe in Armageddon?
[03:54] <Cheri703> that was a lame movie
[03:54] <Unit193> The movie?
[03:54] <dmcglone> Not the movie, how the world is going to end?
[03:55] <canthus13> With a whimper?
[03:55] <dmcglone> mark of the beast?
[03:55] <Cheri703> eh, either it's going to happen or it's not, I don't really have much say either way, so I'm not concerned
[03:55] <dmcglone> anybody read the bible?
[03:56] <canthus13> Read The Hollow Men
[03:56] <Unit193> dmcglone: Why do you ask?
[03:56] <Cheri703> I could die tomorrow, I could die 10 minutes from now, I could die 50 years from now....meh
[03:57] <dmcglone> well I think we've already been seeing the mark of the beast
[03:57] <dmcglone> chips implanted in hands
[03:58] <dmcglone> it's already started being put to use
[03:59] <dmcglone> anyway, my point is I believe our government is helping these things become reality
[03:59] <canthus13> bah. Everyone thinks they've seen the mark of the beast. At various times people have called the ashes on the forehead that the catholics do on Ash Wednesday the mark of the beast, the red dot on hindu forheads, the tattoos given to the jews in the concentration camps....
[03:59] <canthus13> people always find SOMETHING to freak out about.
[04:00] <steffen_> um, okay..
[04:00] <dmcglone> true canthus13
[04:01] <canthus13> dmcglone: Could be that Tux is the mark of the beast. :D
[04:01] <canthus13> Linus is teh Antichrist!
[04:01] <dmcglone> not that I believe the crap, it's just our Government scares the crap out of me at times... LOL
[04:02] <Unit193> Once I see tux on peoples foreheads I'm really going to start thinking stuff is a little off...
[04:02] <dmcglone> and the reason I brought that up is because we were talking about the gov. having a say in everything and like Cheri703 said, the Gov. wants EVERYONE to have computers and Internet. Hmmm I wonder why
[04:03] <Cheri703> they want everyone to have ACCESS to it
[04:03] <dmcglone> see what I'm getting at
[04:03] <Cheri703> poor areas shouldn't be left behind because they're poor
[04:03] <dmcglone> they do?? Or so we think
[04:03] <Cheri703> poor people shouldn't be left behind because they're poor
[04:03] <canthus13> Unit193: Just for that, I may get a temporary tat of Tux for my forehead for OLF.
[04:04] <Unit193> canthus13: Tell me if you do, I will want to see that! (if I be going)
[04:04] <canthus13> We should all do it. and refuse to talk about it.
[04:04] <dmcglone> LOL canthus13
[04:04] <canthus13> Just show up with Tux on our foreheads and pretend like we know nothing about it.
[04:04] <Unit193> That would be really funny...
[04:05] <Cheri703> or the circle of friends logo
[04:05] <dmcglone> well I don't trust our Gov. 100%
[04:05] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:05] <Cheri703> no one should trust anyone 100%
[04:05] <canthus13> Cheri703: People already think Ubuntu is a cult.
[04:05] <Cheri703> but there's a point where you can't just make crap up
[04:05] <dmcglone> the more electronic things are the better record they have of us
[04:06] <dmcglone> You see, I'm an alien from another planet
[04:06] <dmcglone> LMAO
[04:07] <dmcglone> I trust only obi-wan
[04:07] <dmcglone> and Yoda
[04:07] <dmcglone> Oh I trust canthus13 that the cable company he works for tries hard to cut costs too
[04:08] <dmcglone> wow that shut everyone up real quick
[04:09] <Unit193> When a loony starts talking, you just have nothing to say... ;)
[04:09] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:09] <dmcglone> lmao
[04:10] <dmcglone> someone's gotta get this room going. It's like walking into a funeral sometimes
[04:10] <dmcglone> lol
[04:10] <canthus13> That's because I hang in ##club-ubuntu. much more interesting most of the time. :)
[04:10] <Unit193> dmcglone: I just wait for you to show up and start a fight...
[04:10] <dmcglone> Oh I see, you done dumped this place
[04:10] <Unit193> club-ubuntu?
[04:10] <dmcglone> LOL Unit193 start a fight? with who?
[04:11] <canthus13> Unit193: Yeah. It's -offtopic without o4o rules.
[04:11] <dmcglone> rules? what rules?
[04:11] <dmcglone> ain't no rules in here I'm aware of
[04:11] <canthus13> dmcglone: -offtopic has family-friendly rules.
[04:12] <Unit193> This is the only ubuntu channel I'm in...
[04:12] <dmcglone> same here Unit193
[04:13] <dmcglone> Oh wait, I am in Ubuntu-Locoteams too, but very rarely utter any words there
[04:13] <Unit193> What's in there?
[04:13] <dmcglone> It's mostly developers
[04:13] <canthus13> LoCo team members, I'd guess. :)
[04:14] <dmcglone> yeah, the ones that work on the loco website etc, etc
[04:14] <Unit193> I was thinking maybe along the lines of meetings and stuff
[04:14] <dmcglone> nah
[04:15] <dmcglone> just a bunch of crazy guys that hate al gore
[04:15] <dmcglone> lol
[04:15] <Unit193> I also no dev
[04:17] <Unit193> canthus13: What all ubuntu channels are you in?
[04:17] <dmcglone> I just joined club-ubuntu
[04:18] <canthus13> Unit193: #ubuntu, ##club-ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic, here.
[04:20] <dmcglone> Oh lord, what a lively sex deprived bunch in that room... LOL
[04:21] <Unit193> Not going in there....
[04:21] <canthus13> deprived, depraved, whatever.
[04:21] <Cheri703> that's why as a female, I don't frequent many non-project related rooms :/
[04:21] <dmcglone> lol canthus13
[04:22] <dmcglone> Cheri703: there's females in there
[04:22] <dmcglone> lol
[04:22] <Cheri703> still, females + internet + idiot boys = harassment a lot of the time
[04:22] <Unit193> Cheri703: You're in here and beginners
[04:22] <Cheri703> it's unfortunate but true
[04:23] <Unit193> Cheri703: anything else? (I'm an idiot boy, I don't harass you too much :) )
[04:23] <canthus13> Cheri703: Not so much in there... they don't let stuff get too out of hand.
[04:24] <canthus13> but yeah, there's quite a bit of crude and crass talk...
[04:24] <Cheri703> accessibility, beginners, beginners-team, speechcontrol, women, zareason
[04:24] <Cheri703> on occasion others
[04:24] <Unit193> Wow...
[04:24] <Cheri703> canthus13: if it has LESS rules than offtopic, then...no
[04:25] <canthus13> Cheri703: Heh.
[04:26] <Cheri703> we get people coming into ubuntu-women to troll and harass women....so...not worth my effort
[04:26] <Cheri703> my life is not lacking anything by not being there
[04:27] <canthus13> Cheri703: ubuntu-women is a natural target for trolls, sadly. :(
[04:27] <Cheri703> yeah
[04:27] <Cheri703> but they don't seem to realize they're going to be banned FAST
[04:27] <dmcglone> well all, I'm going to hop off here and watch a little tv
[04:28] <Cheri703> but canthus13, unfortunately, simply having a female sounding nickname is a natural target for many trolls
[04:28] <dmcglone> hopefully I did my job and livened up the room for a while
[04:28] <Unit193> bye dmcglone!
[04:28] <dmcglone> g'night all
[04:28] <dmcglone> later Unit193
[04:28] <Cheri703> dmcglone: hang on a sec
[04:28] <canthus13> 'nite.
[04:28] <Cheri703> I'm going to pm you
[04:28] <dmcglone> ok
[04:29] <dmcglone> go ahead Cheri703
[04:30] <Unit193> And my first thought was postmortem...
[04:31] <Cheri703> so I got up for a few minutes, and my one dog charlie (the biggest), was laying on the couch next to me, when I got back, somehow she'd scooted her butt halfway into my spot, but still laying in the same body position....not sure how that was physically possible...
[04:32] <canthus13> Cheri703: They're sneaky like that.
[04:32] <Cheri703> I guess! the other night coco (the mid sized one) was GLUED to my side
[04:33] <canthus13> Puck has been that way for the last few months....
[04:34] <Cheri703> coco is a velcro dog, but also SUPER HYPER ENERGETIC OMGOMGOMGPEOPLEPETTINGMEOMG!
[04:34] <canthus13> She has her butt stuck to my side right now, and is slowly trying to work her way between me and my laptop.
[04:34] <Cheri703> heh
[05:43] <Unit193> If a HD isn't bad, why would a computers BIOS not detect one HD and not another? (newish so it shouldn't be disk size)
[05:43] <Cheri703> master/slave jumper?
[05:43] <canthus13> Sector size.
[05:44] <canthus13> SATA or IDE?
[05:44] <Cheri703> probably ide
[05:44] <Unit193> IDE
[05:44] <canthus13> cable position, jumpers, flaky BIOS.
[05:45] <Unit193> The one that doesn't work has no jumper
[05:46] <Cheri703> that might be your issue...
[05:48] <Unit193> One is 40G the other 80G
[05:51] <Unit193> Would one computer be fine with no jumper and another not?
[05:52] <Cheri703> you'd need to look at the hdd's themselves, it'll show where the jumper needs to be for master/slave
[05:56] <Unit193> I know that, I'm asking if one computer won't work if there is no jumper while another computer defaults to ??
[05:56] <Unit193> Sticking the jumper in the correct place worked
[05:57] <Cheri703> ok, cool
[05:59] <Unit193> Do you know my other question? The HD in this computer wasn't detected in the other computer... (Trying to swap comps)
[06:00] <Cheri703> so I'm confused
[06:00] <Cheri703> you're trying to ADD a hdd? or just put it into a different tower?
[06:00] <Unit193> Diff tower
[06:03] <Cheri703> ok, sometimes yeah, if a jumper is missing that motherboard might not auto detect master/slave
[06:06] <Unit193> Thank, that was killing me.... you can't clone an active boot partition can you? (that just doesn't sound like you can or a good idea...)
[06:06] <Cheri703> probably not, can you do it from a liveusb
[06:06] <Cheri703> ?
[06:07] <Unit193> USB I don't think so, but clonezilla will work (10G > 80G)
[06:07] <canthus13> Boot from USB.
[06:07] <canthus13> not copy to usb.
[06:09] <Unit193> Yes I understand; this computer is very old and it doesn't support USB boot
[06:09] <Cheri703> live cd?
[06:10] <Cheri703> plug the hdd into another computer that can?
[06:11] <Unit193> The computer supports cd (I was just asking if you can clone an active computer, the answer was no)
[08:07] <Cheri703> ugh headache :(