| rlameiro | ScottL: yea, [lsd] rocks, he is awesome with synths an stuff | 00:02 |
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| ScottL | there seems to be a lot of excitement about mixbus, but i wonder how many from our community will buy it? | 15:21 |
| holstein | o/ | 15:23 |
| ailo | ScottL: About possible outdated or unwanted packages in UbuntuStudio. Where could we list those up? | 16:39 |
| ailo | Right now I'm thinking of padevchooser and pavucontrol | 16:40 |
| ScottL | ailo, i think avucontrol is still needed, isn't it? | 17:15 |
| ScottL | or maybe not | 17:15 |
| ScottL | i have had to use it but that was when i had onboard, SB, and delta 44 audio | 17:16 |
| ScottL | i would have to tell pulse to route audio to the sound blaster from youtube or rhythmbox or whatnot | 17:16 |
| ScottL | but that might have been just because i had 3 audio interfaces, which is not a typical use case i would imagine :P | 17:17 |
| ailo | ScottL: I haven't installed UbuntuStudio from DVD, so I don't have the original settings. I would think that there's no need for Pavucontrol since it only opens up "Sound Preferences" from the Volume control in the indicator area | 17:17 |
| ailo | And padevchooser is not starting at all | 17:18 |
| ailo | Both of those packages I think belong to an earlier version of PA | 17:18 |
| ailo | delta 44 is probably not working with PA. At least it didn't the last time I checked. I have delta-66 and delta-1010 (same chips), and they won't work with PA without some tweaking with config files | 17:21 |
| ailo | What's up rlameiro? | 20:10 |
| rlameiro | hey | 20:10 |
| rlameiro | just booted directly into irc :D | 20:10 |
| rlameiro | lol | 20:10 |
| rlameiro | it is a saved session on kxstudio :D | 20:10 |
| ailo | A Desktop session? What program do you use for that? | 20:11 |
| rlameiro | well, dont know | 20:11 |
| rlameiro | it just started Konversation | 20:11 |
| rlameiro | i assume it saved my last session | 20:11 |
| rlameiro | but i dont really get KDE so i am not sure | 20:12 |
| ailo | I always want to try KDE and I want to like it, but it never happens.. | 20:13 |
| ailo | I think one thing I don't like is all the programs starting with K. | 20:13 |
| ailo | Shouldn't be a factor, but still | 20:13 |
| ailo | btw, I find that the latest -lowlatency is performing slightly less reliably than before. | 20:33 |
| persia | re: pavucontrol and friends: if they aren't working, we ought fix them. The GNOME mixer presumes you want to use all your devices by default, but JACK users tend to have multiple, specialised, audio interfaces. | 22:40 |
| persia | Without these tools (or replacements), either the user must completely disable desktop sounds, or potentially end up with issues related to interface choice. | 22:41 |
| persia | The issue with the delta-* devices is due to the flexibility of the ICE1712 (and ICE1724) chipsets: the current drivers don't have enough information to be able to determine the mixing and select an appropriate channel map to feed JACK. | 22:42 |
| ailo | persia: I don't understand. I don't see any use for those tools. I have multiple sound cards. | 22:42 |
| ailo | persia: Yes, I've been told there needs to be some work done on the Alsa end to get those cards working with PA. | 22:43 |
| persia | The use case is wanting to not disable pulse when you run JACK when you have multiple cards, and not have the desktop sounds feed through something like pulseaudio-module-jack | 22:43 |
| ailo | persia: qjackctl disables PA, but not jackd. I can run jackd with one cards, while PA is still running on another card | 22:44 |
| persia | The issue is with ALSA, but more complicated: different interface makers map the ICE17xx cards sufficiently differently there isn't a sane default. Needs investigation and quirking, and after that, still perhaps defaults to the less ideal place. | 22:44 |
| persia | ailo, Let me guess: you have one audio interface that is PCI or USB, and another that is firewire. | 22:45 |
| ailo | No, all either pci or builtin | 22:45 |
| persia | And they don't all get grabbed by pulse by default? Is one ICE17xx-based? | 22:45 |
| ailo | hmm, let me do a quick test | 22:46 |
| persia | If you're running pulse, it *should* attempt to control and route to all your devices by default. | 22:46 |
| persia | pavucontrol and pavudevchooser are supposed to let you work around that. | 22:46 |
| ailo | persia: I just played a youtube video with a Soundblaster pci card while using jack and puredata with builtin HDA Intel | 22:50 |
| persia | With default settings: no special configuration for either of them? | 22:51 |
| ailo | No configurations made | 22:51 |
| persia | Hmm. Well, maybe we don't need those anymore. The rationale above is *why* they were there. | 22:51 |
| ailo | Also, jackd disables pulseaudio when using the same card (in Maverick jack would fail to start) | 22:52 |
| persia | Well, why they were still there. They were originally there because pulse was kinda cool, and pulse simply didn't work for many years without them. | 22:52 |
| persia | Right. The new jack/pulse negotiation in natty may make them no longer required. | 22:52 |
| ailo | Pulse has two programs in System menu: "Sound", and "Pulseaudio Preferences" | 22:53 |
| persia | Still nifty tools for doing things like slinging pulse over the network, etc., but that's separate. | 22:53 |
| persia | "Sound" is the GNOME Mixer, which also configures pulse. | 22:53 |
| persia | "Pulseaudio Preferences" is part of the same suite that provides pavucontrol. | 22:53 |
| ailo | Maybe that is the replacement? | 22:54 |
| persia | "replacement" isn't quite correct. | 22:54 |
| persia | But it may be enough. Send a mail to the list asking for opinions, etc. See if anyone has a critical use case for the PA UI suite that isn't handled in another way in natty. | 22:55 |
| ailo | It has network options and virtual outputs on all sound cards. I remember those features from before, but not where they used to be | 22:55 |
| ailo | If someone would have needed the padevchooser, I think someone would have mailed about it already. I'm not sure, but I think it wasn't working already in Lucid/Maverick. Somewhere around there. | 22:57 |
| ailo | I know I haven't needed to use it for a while. I'm also thankful that PA has stopped crashing as it always used to do ;) | 22:57 |
| ailo | Just works now. | 22:58 |
| persia | Sounds like it might not be needed anymore. I just like to ask folk. | 22:59 |
| persia | I once tried to drop one of mixxx or terminatorx, and ended up with a long mail thread explaining, in detail, why they were different tools and both essential. | 23:00 |
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