=== j1mc_ is now known as j1mc [15:32] Good morning [15:35] Morning [15:36] hey [23:26] hi charlie-tca [23:29] Hello, ochosi [23:29] Hey, got a report that a couple of launchers are empty in today's image [23:29] browser and something else are missing the actual launcher [23:30] right, i just talked to mr_pouit and he said he's in the process of uploading them [23:30] mr_pouit ^ [23:30] * charlie-tca too slow, again [23:30] nvm [23:30] i haven't been able to test the new launchers yet [23:30] but i can quickly do that later [23:30] I am downloading the 10.04.2 images to test them [23:31] i just wanted to ask you about the meeting minutes from this week [23:31] nice [23:31] I didn't get them posted yet [23:31] k, np [23:31] I am behind again [23:31] just wanted to check what my todo-items are to be sure not to miss anything [23:32] iirc the deadline for the UWN article is wednesday, correct? [23:32] yes, if you can do it [23:32] i'll try [23:32] if not, it is fine to run over [23:32] it'll be a bit hasty for sure, because from tomorrow till wednesday i'll be visiting my parents [23:32] so not really time to write it there i suppose [23:33] shoot for the end of the week then [23:33] it's already uploaded [23:33] Thank you, mr_pouit [23:33] but maybe the current elementary icon theme in natty doesn't contain the icons [23:33] (I only use trunk from bzr, so I didn't check) [23:34] yeah, same here mr_pouit [23:34] i haven't checked yet [23:34] but i think browser and email icons should be there [23:34] what icon-names did you use in the launchers? [23:35] charlie-tca: ok, thanks, i think until the end of the week it's doable (UWN) [23:35] That would be great [23:35] k, i'll quickly reboot to natty and check whether the launchers work and also whether the icons are there... brb [23:41] mr_pouit: i'm afraid it's true, something must've gone wrong, the three launchers are just empty [23:41] mr_pouit: no icon, nothing else [23:42] grmpf [23:42] I hate that when that happens [23:42] sry :) [23:42] charlie-tca: btw, you said you [23:42] 'd send another email to the ubuntu-art ml? [23:42] is that still the plan? [23:45] yes [23:45] ok [23:45] to try and get more color into the wallpapers, right? [23:45] yes, i'm in favor of that [23:46] another thought: i think that a darker wallpaper works better with the theme than one as bright as maverick's default [23:46] i've been testing the maverick-wp for a while and then switched back to the one from karmic and it's a lot nicer [23:46] I will suggest that, too, then. Let's see if we can get a mix of some kind [23:46] yep [23:47] ochosi: beh, I think this is due to the fact that I hide these .desktop from the main menu [23:47] it's a good idea to give them some input now, because somehow after a short period of submissions the "trail has gotten cold" a bit now..… [23:47] mr_pouit: awwh [23:47] xfce4-panel queries this menu, and cannot find these desktop files, so the launcher is empty [23:48] Yeah, I agree, ochosi. I will try to shake it up again [23:48] mr_pouit: so we have to find a solution to integrate those default launchers in a meaningful way [23:48] I seem pretty good at that ;-) [23:48] charlie-tca: yep, go for it ;) [23:49] ochosi: yeah ;] (I just tried here on Debian, and they are visible, because I didn't change my menu) [23:49] right [23:50] hm, what do you think about having an entry called "Default Web Browser" and "Default Email Client" in Internet? [23:50] s/Internet/Network [23:50] I like that idea [23:51] btw, somehow the category-name Internet might even make more sense to most people than "Network".... [23:51] (even though i'm aware that "internet" isn't correct for what can be in that category) [23:51] ochosi: no, they are not called like that, and we can't change their name without breaking translations [23:51] arrr [23:52] so either "Web Browser" (with the "Default") or nothing? [23:52] yeah [23:52] not much room for ideas, hu? [23:52] that's why I hide them by default, because it's a bit redundant [23:52] we could also create a subcategory/menu of settings called "Default Applications"? [23:53] including a launcher to the default app-settings (that you'd normally call through xfce4-settinsg) [23:53] (i mean "Preferred Applications") [23:53] yeah, I think we can [23:53] btw, Preferred Applications is kinda misleading [23:53] or we put them back at the top-level menu [23:54] hmyeah, but i don't really like that too much [23:54] feels like a step back [23:54] Long as it is not going to screw people up when they change the default app [23:54] i tested it after the last meeting [23:55] charlie-tca: no, those launchers always use whatever is the exo-default [23:55] mr_pouit: i mean i can imagine having default browser and mail-client in the top-lvl-menu, but with file-manager and terminal the list gets a bit long imo…+# [23:56] * ochosi doesn't like his old keyboard [23:56] What about using launchers within launchers? [23:56] mark76: what's that? [23:57] You know how when you create a launcher you can add them to a sidebar in the launcher creation window [23:57] Look. Just add a launcher to your panel and you'll see [23:57] mark76: we're talking about the menu [23:57] Oh right [23:57] ;) [23:58] I think the menu should have what's installed in it [23:58] ochosi: bwah, even a new category will need new translations (unless we call it like an existing desktop file, e.g. "Preferred Applications", so we can reuse translations from exo)… [23:58] mr_pouit: hm, in terms of consistency we should either stick to "preferred" in both places or switch to "default" instead completely [23:59] using "preferred" in xfce4-settings and "default" in the menu doesn't make any sense