[15:32] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:35] <mark76> Morning
[15:36] <mr_pouit> hey
[23:26] <ochosi> hi charlie-tca 
[23:29] <charlie-tca> Hello, ochosi 
[23:29] <charlie-tca> Hey, got a report that a couple of launchers are empty in today's image
[23:29] <charlie-tca> browser and something else are missing the actual launcher
[23:30] <ochosi> right, i just talked to mr_pouit and he said he's in the process of uploading them
[23:30] <ochosi> mr_pouit ^
[23:30]  * charlie-tca too slow, again
[23:30] <ochosi> nvm
[23:30] <ochosi> i haven't been able to test the new launchers yet
[23:30] <ochosi> but i can quickly do that later
[23:30] <charlie-tca> I am downloading the 10.04.2 images to test them
[23:31] <ochosi> i just wanted to ask you about the meeting minutes from this week
[23:31] <ochosi> nice
[23:31] <charlie-tca> I didn't get them posted yet
[23:31] <ochosi> k, np
[23:31] <charlie-tca> I am behind again
[23:31] <ochosi> just wanted to check what my todo-items are to be sure not to miss anything
[23:32] <ochosi> iirc the deadline for the UWN article is wednesday, correct?
[23:32] <charlie-tca> yes, if you can do it
[23:32] <ochosi> i'll try
[23:32] <charlie-tca> if not, it is fine to run over
[23:32] <ochosi> it'll be a bit hasty for sure, because from tomorrow till wednesday i'll be visiting my parents
[23:32] <ochosi> so not really time to write it there i suppose
[23:33] <charlie-tca> shoot for the end of the week then
[23:33] <mr_pouit> it's already uploaded
[23:33] <charlie-tca> Thank you, mr_pouit 
[23:33] <mr_pouit> but maybe the current elementary icon theme in natty doesn't contain the icons
[23:33] <mr_pouit> (I only use trunk from bzr, so I didn't check)
[23:34] <ochosi> yeah, same here mr_pouit 
[23:34] <ochosi> i haven't checked yet
[23:34] <ochosi> but i think browser and email icons should be there
[23:34] <ochosi> what icon-names did you use in the launchers?
[23:35] <ochosi> charlie-tca: ok, thanks, i think until the end of the week it's doable (UWN)
[23:35] <charlie-tca> That would be great
[23:35] <ochosi> k, i'll quickly reboot to natty and check whether the launchers work and also whether the icons are there... brb
[23:41] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i'm afraid it's true, something must've gone wrong, the three launchers are just empty
[23:41] <ochosi> mr_pouit: no icon, nothing else
[23:42] <mr_pouit> grmpf
[23:42] <mr_pouit> I hate that when that happens
[23:42] <ochosi> sry :)
[23:42] <ochosi> charlie-tca: btw, you said you
[23:42] <ochosi> 'd send another email to the ubuntu-art ml?
[23:42] <ochosi> is that still the plan?
[23:45] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:45] <ochosi> ok
[23:45] <charlie-tca> to try and get more color into the wallpapers, right?
[23:45] <ochosi> yes, i'm in favor of that
[23:46] <ochosi> another thought: i think that a darker wallpaper works better with the theme than one as bright as maverick's default
[23:46] <ochosi> i've been testing the maverick-wp for a while and then switched back to the one from karmic and it's a lot nicer
[23:46] <charlie-tca> I will suggest that, too, then. Let's see if we can get a mix of some kind
[23:46] <ochosi> yep
[23:47] <mr_pouit> ochosi: beh, I think this is due to the fact that I hide these .desktop from the main menu
[23:47] <ochosi> it's a good idea to give them some input now, because somehow after a short period of submissions the "trail has gotten cold" a bit now..…
[23:47] <ochosi> mr_pouit: awwh
[23:47] <mr_pouit> xfce4-panel queries this menu, and cannot find these desktop files, so the launcher is empty
[23:48] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I agree, ochosi. I will try to shake it up again
[23:48] <ochosi> mr_pouit: so we have to find a solution to integrate those default launchers in a meaningful way
[23:48] <charlie-tca> I seem pretty good at that ;-)
[23:48] <ochosi> charlie-tca: yep, go for it ;)
[23:49] <mr_pouit> ochosi: yeah ;] (I just tried here on Debian, and they are visible, because I didn't change my menu)
[23:49] <ochosi> right
[23:50] <ochosi> hm, what do you think about having an entry called "Default Web Browser" and "Default Email Client" in Internet?
[23:50] <ochosi> s/Internet/Network
[23:50] <charlie-tca> I like that idea
[23:51] <ochosi> btw, somehow the category-name Internet might even make more sense to most people than "Network"....
[23:51] <ochosi> (even though i'm aware that "internet" isn't correct for what can be in that category)
[23:51] <mr_pouit> ochosi: no, they are not called like that, and we can't change their name without breaking translations
[23:51] <ochosi> arrr
[23:52] <ochosi> so either "Web Browser" (with the "Default") or nothing?
[23:52] <mr_pouit> yeah
[23:52] <ochosi> not much room for ideas, hu?
[23:52] <mr_pouit> that's why I hide them by default, because it's a bit redundant
[23:52] <ochosi> we could also create a subcategory/menu of settings called "Default Applications"?
[23:53] <ochosi> including a launcher to the default app-settings (that you'd normally call through xfce4-settinsg)
[23:53] <ochosi> (i mean "Preferred Applications")
[23:53] <mr_pouit> yeah, I think we can
[23:53] <ochosi> btw, Preferred Applications is kinda misleading
[23:53] <mr_pouit> or we put them back at the top-level menu
[23:54] <ochosi> hmyeah, but i don't really like that too much
[23:54] <ochosi> feels like a step back
[23:54] <charlie-tca> Long as it is not going to screw people up when they change the default app
[23:54] <ochosi> i tested it after the last meeting
[23:55] <ochosi> charlie-tca: no, those launchers always use whatever is the exo-default
[23:55] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i mean i can imagine having default browser and mail-client in the top-lvl-menu, but with file-manager and terminal the list gets a bit long imo…+#
[23:56]  * ochosi doesn't like his old keyboard
[23:56] <mark76> What about using launchers within launchers?
[23:56] <ochosi> mark76: what's that?
[23:57] <mark76> You know how when you create a launcher you can add them to a sidebar in the launcher creation window
[23:57] <mark76> Look. Just add a launcher to your panel and you'll see
[23:57] <ochosi> mark76: we're talking about the menu
[23:57] <mark76> Oh right
[23:57] <ochosi> ;)
[23:58] <mark76> I think the menu should have what's installed in it
[23:58] <mr_pouit> ochosi: bwah, even a new category will need new translations (unless we call it like an existing desktop file, e.g. "Preferred Applications", so we can reuse translations from exo)…
[23:58] <ochosi> mr_pouit: hm, in terms of consistency we should either stick to "preferred" in both places or switch to "default" instead completely
[23:59] <ochosi> using "preferred" in xfce4-settings and "default" in the menu doesn't make any sense