[00:45] <DarkwingDuck> What was the reason of switching to LibreOffice from OpenOffice?
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> The Go-OO.o variant of OO.o switched to LO
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> or rather merged, since Go-OO.o and LO shared the same freeness ideals
[02:08] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: thanks
[05:18] <ScottK> Or to put it slightly differently, sucks less.
[08:05] <bambee> morning
[08:15] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: sucks less? When will KOffice be ready?
[08:15]  * DarkwingDuck glances at apachelogger 
[08:42] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: you mean Calligra?
[08:43] <DarkwingDuck> Tm_T: Hmm?
[08:43] <DarkwingDuck> No, I blame everything on apachelogger 
[08:43] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: I'm talking about your KOffice comment
[08:43] <DarkwingDuck> It just works better that way.. I used to blame everythign on nixternal but, figured that apachelogger is a better target... :P:P
[08:46] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: http://www.calligra-suite.org/
[08:47] <DarkwingDuck> Tm_T: is it ready for Distro deployment?
[08:48] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: when there's stable release
[08:49] <Tm_T> which, if I recall, isn't so far away
[08:49] <DarkwingDuck> Tm_T: Awesome. because I know at SCALE that question is going to come up in my talk.
[08:50] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: you prolly like to have some source for this information, and I'm not that (;
[08:50] <Tm_T> and personally, in short term I don't care if Calligra or KOffice is the one that has release and usage first
[08:51] <DarkwingDuck> What I will prolly say is that "The devs for KOffice to not believe that KOffice is stable enough for mass deployment on a distro level at this time.
[08:52] <valorie> they pretty much say exactly that on their website
[08:52] <DarkwingDuck> hey valorie 
[08:55] <skfin> Hey *
[08:59] <valorie> hi DarkwingDuck
[08:59] <valorie> how's it going?
[08:59] <DarkwingDuck> It's... going
[09:02] <valorie> sure it
[09:02] <valorie> is, I mean
[09:02] <valorie> Feb half gone!
[09:04] <skfin> Coffee half done!
[09:04] <DarkwingDuck> Heh. My birthday is this week
[09:05] <skfin> DarkwingDuck: happy bday!
[09:05] <skfin> I said it now because I would not remember it on a correct day
[09:05] <DarkwingDuck> :D 17th
[09:05] <skfin> And hmm... Its last day of the week so it has to be today?
[09:05] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[09:06] <skfin> Lol, mine is on 16th...
[09:06] <skfin> ....of april :D
[09:07] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[09:10] <valorie> you just missed V Day, DarkwingDuck
[09:11] <valorie> with your birthday, I mean
[09:11] <valorie> gosh I'm tired
[09:11] <valorie> way early for me to go to bed, but maybe.....
[09:11] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... So am I LOL.
[09:11] <skfin> You're not the only one valorie
[09:11] <DarkwingDuck> I'm heading ot bed in a few
[10:10] <shadeslayer> \o
[10:10] <ari-tczew> hi shadeslayer
[10:10] <shadeslayer> ssup ari-tczew :)
[10:56] <yofel> o/
[11:15] <bambee> except language-selector itself, which other process could use com.ubuntu.LanguageSelector ?
[16:01] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Since Koffice/Calligra are nowhere near OOo/LO in terms of MS Office compatibility I think we're not even close to calling them 'ready'.
[16:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: with regards to the KWallet issue in the TODO, i don't think it's possible, what could be done is, make network manager save passwords in plain text instead of kwallet a default
[16:24] <shadeslayer> ( assuming that's what the issue is about )
[16:27] <shadeslayer> bambee: around?
[16:27] <bambee> yup
[16:27] <shadeslayer> bambee: whatcha doing on qt-language selector?
[16:28]  * shadeslayer is bored of reading the KAuth page
[16:28] <shadeslayer> oh i should probably read the KCM page :P
[16:28] <bambee> I'm not sure that Kauth will be required... 
[16:29] <shadeslayer> and dbus ...
[16:29] <shadeslayer> bambee: no no ... i meant ... KAuth for the user management KCM
[16:29] <bambee> actually the underlying package manager is qapt-batch which uses kpackagekit and polkit
[16:29] <shadeslayer> righto
[16:29] <bambee> (so authentification is ok)
[16:29] <shadeslayer> probably handled by kpk itself
[16:29] <bambee> for setsystemlanguage using com.ubuntu.LanguageSelector polkit is implicitly used
[16:30] <bambee> but I don't understand HOW the dbus server is started (it should be started as root refering to its .conf)
[16:30] <shadeslayer> yeah i have to read dbus too
[16:30] <bambee> you could have a look at this part ?
[16:31] <shadeslayer> bambee: i'm reading up on dbus too ... never used it
[16:31] <shadeslayer> bambee: your nick keeps reminding of Scurbs :P
[16:31] <shadeslayer> *Scrubs
[16:33] <bambee> that's why it's my nick :D
[16:33] <shadeslayer> hehehe 
[16:33] <bambee> I love scrubs, and I love JD :D
[16:33] <bambee> hehe
[16:33] <shadeslayer> who doesn't <3 scrubs
[16:33] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Plain text passwords aren't a solution.
[16:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yes, they're a workaround
[16:33] <ScottK> shadeslayer: They are a gaping wound.
[16:34] <shadeslayer> but that's the only solution i could come around
[16:34] <shadeslayer> s/around/up with
[16:34] <ScottK> OK.  Cure should not be worst than the disease.
[16:35] <shadeslayer> true ... but i talked to pinotree in #kde-devel, and it's not possible to unlock kwallet without prompting the user for a pass
[16:53] <bambee> shadeslayer: have a look at LanguageSelector/qt/QtLanguageSelector.py
[16:54] <shadeslayer> i've seen it
[16:54] <bambee> onPushButtonOk()
[16:54] <bambee> what do you think about session reloading ?
[16:55] <bambee> In my humble opinion, we've to ask the user before restarting session
[16:56] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> http://www.msqt.org/
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> trolololol
[16:57] <bambee> and invoke-rc.d is not correct anymore
[16:57] <bambee> (strange warnings on stderr when you launch kcm from a terminal)
[17:06] <bambee> JontheEchidna:  #include <MSQt™DBus/MSQt™DBus>  lool :D
[17:06] <bambee> ;)
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[17:45] <Quintasan> sheytan: ping
[17:45] <sheytan> Quintasan pong
[17:45] <Quintasan> sheytan: #project-neon
[17:51] <bambee> Does someone know which other process uses com.ubuntu.LanguageSelector ?
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> only language-selector-gtk should use that iirc
[18:00] <bambee> JontheEchidna: ok thanks
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> The Qt language-selector frontend makes a call to qapt-batch, which uses the QApt Worker's polkit settings for installation
[18:01] <bambee> for packages yes, but not for set system language
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> If the Qt frontend were to get the ability to set system language, it would need some form of priviledge as well as a small worker app to do the writing
[18:01] <bambee> qt-language-selector use writeSysLang methods
[18:01] <bambee> (from LanguageSelectorBase)
[18:01] <bambee> (which uses dbus)
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> oh, cool
[18:02] <bambee> I meant, why use a dbus backend for that ?
[18:02] <bambee> ohh ok
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> wait, so does the langaugeselectorbase use polkit from writeSysLang?
[18:03] <bambee> yes it does
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> (I've not looked at the language-selector source code in ~9 months since my GSoC proposal for last year didn't get approved)
[18:03] <bambee> not the code itself but polkit authentification is automatically handled
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> in that case writing system lang settings should just work with the qt frontend
[18:04] <bambee> (a password is asked to the user and authentification works)
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> It's using DBus to talk with a root-running worker that actually writes the system lang settings
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> so that the frontend doesn't have to run as root
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> I think the qt frontend still has a check for running as root that should probably be removed if the polkit stuff does indeed work
[18:07] <rbelem_> afiestas: ping
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> bambee: ...and it looks like it does work :)
[18:10] <bambee> JontheEchidna: we could also use kcmodule with kauth (kcm part works) nop ?
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> I don't think we have to bother doing anything auth-wise, language-selector-common does all the auth work
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> are you planning a language-selector kcm?
[18:11] <bambee> JontheEchidna: I working on it, it's almost finished ;)
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> oh, neat!
[18:12] <bambee> and language-selector is now completly translated (listView language too)
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> but yeah, I don't think you'll have to do anything with KAuth since LanguageSelectorBase's writeSysLang stuff does the auth
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> and the writing, etc
[18:12] <bambee> ok
[18:14] <bambee> btw :  qt-language-selector has the same features as gnome-language-selector
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> Basically how it works is: 1) User clicks "set as system lang", 2) LanguageSelector Base calls the root worker service via DBus, 3) root worker checks for auth via polkit, 4) polkit invokes the KDE Polkit frontend, 5) user gives pass, 6) root worker writes changes
[18:14] <bambee> (translations, writing aids, fonts can be selected)
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> That's really cool, great work. :)
[18:15] <bambee> JontheEchidna: mhhh interesting... polkit seriously rocks!!! :)
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's great for cross desktop environment stuff
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> bbiab, I have to go in to town
[18:32] <c2tarun> need help in creating symbol file
[18:39] <bambee> JontheEchidna: One boring stuff is session restarting : invoke-rc.d kdm reload (without being root)
[18:41] <bambee> can we make a request to the session manager or to kdm itself , or something like that ?
[18:43] <yofel> c2tarun: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
[19:15] <bambee> http://imageupload.org/?di=912976236781 => the gui is simple enough for a noob ?
[19:17] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: thanks!