| erkan^ | I have installed Jaaa and Sonic Visualizer.. i don't understand that :S | 00:12 |
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| hajour | good night all:) | 00:33 |
| erkan^ | good night hajour (-: | 00:34 |
| phillw | hiyas AlanBell you still awake? | 01:37 |
| cprofitt | charlie-tca: ping | 02:23 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: mind if I PM you? | 02:23 |
| cprofitt | hey Pendulum | 02:23 |
| Pendulum | hi cprofitt | 02:24 |
| cprofitt | you might be able to answer my question as well | 02:24 |
| Pendulum | cprofitt: shoot | 02:24 |
| cprofitt | I am looking at Alpha 3 stage of our blueprint | 02:24 |
| cprofitt | and there is an item for me to identify missing wiki pages | 02:24 |
| cprofitt | I do not remember what that is... | 02:25 |
| cprofitt | but want to get started onit | 02:25 |
| Pendulum | cprofitt: I think the idea is to look at things that would be useful to have on the wiki that aren't there right now (just so we have a list) | 02:25 |
| * cprofitt nods | 02:25 | |
| cprofitt | ok... I will get started on that | 02:25 |
| charlie-tca | Pendulum: go ahead | 02:26 |
| cprofitt | FYI -- we have our first 'mentor' for accessibility approved on the Beginners Team | 02:26 |
| Pendulum | oh? | 02:26 |
| Pendulum | cprofitt: who? | 02:26 |
| cprofitt | so I hope to expose BT members and developers passing through the BT a good dose of accessibility -- so they understand it | 02:27 |
| cprofitt | hajour | 02:27 |
| cprofitt | I think you know her | 02:27 |
| cprofitt | UndiFineD and JackyAlcine could also be mentors -- assuming you guys approve of them being mentors for either developers or testers | 02:28 |
| charlie-tca | cprofitt: we have references to pages that do not actually exist yet, in the wiki | 02:38 |
| cprofitt | I can find those too | 02:38 |
| cprofitt | charlie-tca: are you willing to serve as a mentor for accessibility in the BT? | 02:38 |
| charlie-tca | and we have to write those pages, too | 02:38 |
| charlie-tca | yes, I can do that. But I have been staying out of the speech-control project. I don't have time to invest heavily in another project | 02:39 |
| cprofitt | charlie-tca: its not project specific... | 02:40 |
| charlie-tca | sure be good to do than | 02:41 |
| cprofitt | you get to pick if you want to mentor someone | 02:41 |
| cprofitt | a young developer who needs to understand accessibility | 02:41 |
| charlie-tca | Just point them at me or me at them | 02:41 |
| cprofitt | or a person who wants to learn how to test for accessibility would be my targets | 02:41 |
| charlie-tca | I would be happy to help with that. We need to teach more people about accessibility | 02:42 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: speechcontrol is not the UBT a11y focus group :) | 02:46 |
| charlie-tca | That will work then. It does seem to take over at times :-) | 02:48 |
| charlie-tca | cprofitt: do I need to put my name somewhere for mentoring? | 02:48 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: I swear I might need to get that phrase written in the sky outside the next UDS :-/ | 02:48 |
| charlie-tca | We'll hang on together, huh | 02:49 |
| cprofitt | charlie-tca: yes -- I can add you though | 02:49 |
| cprofitt | its on our wiki page | 02:49 |
| cprofitt | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Mentors | 02:50 |
| cprofitt | bottom table if you want to do it | 02:50 |
| charlie-tca | You can do it, if you got time | 02:51 |
| cprofitt | I do... but give me 5-10 minutes | 02:53 |
| cprofitt | thanks for helping out charlie-tca | 02:53 |
| charlie-tca | no problem | 02:53 |
| charlie-tca | yw, I just try to help where I can, you know that... :-) | 02:53 |
| cprofitt | what TZ are you in again charlie-tca ? | 02:54 |
| charlie-tca | mountain | 02:54 |
| cprofitt | GMT-7 | 02:56 |
| charlie-tca | that's it | 02:59 |
| charlie-tca | until we change time again, anyway ;-) | 02:59 |
| cprofitt | ok... you are added to the page | 02:59 |
| charlie-tca | thanks | 02:59 |
| cprofitt | charlie-tca: would you be willing to mentor hajour ? | 03:13 |
| hajour | sorry need to read back first | 03:14 |
| charlie-tca | yes | 03:16 |
| hajour | i will be honered to have charlie-tca as a mentor | 03:18 |
| hajour | i have many questions just give me time to writhe them on a pastebin tomorrow XD | 03:18 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 03:19 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you | 03:19 |
| hajour | writhing cost time to me | 03:19 |
| hajour | only i hope its no problem i need more time to automate new things charlie-tca | 03:20 |
| hajour | are you sure you dare to be my mentor charlie-tca | 03:20 |
| hajour | i just been honest | 03:20 |
| charlie-tca | hajour: I never okay unless I mean it | 03:22 |
| charlie-tca | I will do my best. | 03:23 |
| hajour | i just tell so you know what kind of mentee you take charlie-tca | 03:23 |
| cprofitt | fantastic guys | 03:23 |
| hajour | i know you will do your best .i have seen how much time you take to help people charlie-tca if you had it | 03:24 |
| cprofitt | hajour: charlie-tca is a first rate person | 03:24 |
| cprofitt | he is one of the best people I have met on the planet | 03:24 |
| charlie-tca | I have lots of experience with people, you are pretty easy, really. You just have lots of questions and lots of enthusiasm, both are very good | 03:24 |
| hajour | :) | 03:24 |
| hajour | just not know what to say on this moment :) | 03:24 |
| Pendulum | hajour: I want to 2nd that charlie-tca is great :) | 03:24 |
| hajour | yes Pendulum its only many times people said they want to help me.but after a while they discover it will take more time then by (normal) people and then they disappear.so i have learned the best way is to tell them where they begin on | 03:26 |
| charlie-tca | You just should know when I am tired, I wait until I get rested to answer again. Don't feel ignored, but please be patient. | 03:27 |
| hajour | ok charlie-tca :) | 03:28 |
| hajour | what is your time space charlie-tca ? | 03:28 |
| hajour | forgot mine :S | 03:28 |
| hajour | i live in Netherlands | 03:29 |
| Pendulum | hajour: don't worry, people from this team are far more likely to understand the extra work needed :) | 03:29 |
| charlie-tca | I am usually available 15:00 pm to about 3:00 am your time | 03:29 |
| charlie-tca | You are about 8 hours ahead of me. | 03:30 |
| hajour | ok sorry i have said it its just i am been many times disappointed when i could not learn further because people give up | 03:30 |
| hajour | ok charlie-tca :) | 03:31 |
| hajour | i most live in nights :) | 03:31 |
| charlie-tca | no problem, you have learned to expect disappointment. I will try to not do that to you | 03:31 |
| hajour | ok charlie-tca if you look up dispraxie you know how i learn | 03:32 |
| charlie-tca | I even have experience with adhd and add people... I have some nephews that I have learned to help too. | 03:33 |
| charlie-tca | We will be fine together | 03:33 |
| charlie-tca | It took me two years to teach one nephew how to read a ruler/scale | 03:34 |
| cprofitt | charlie-tca: thanks for taking on hajour | 03:34 |
| charlie-tca | We | 03:35 |
| cprofitt | she is an awesome person as well... who truly wants to contribute to Ubuntu | 03:35 |
| charlie-tca | will be fine. hajour is great to have around | 03:35 |
| hajour | :) | 03:35 |
| charlie-tca | and with that, I am going rest now, if no one objects | 03:36 |
| hajour | hehe sleep well charlie-tca :) | 03:36 |
| hajour | cprofitt, | 03:36 |
| charlie-tca | My irc client is on most of the time, so you can pm me if you want and I will get it when I come back live | 03:36 |
| cprofitt | thanks charlie-tca -- get some sleep | 03:37 |
| cprofitt | hajour: yes? | 03:37 |
| hajour | where can i say my idea about a equipment to make what makes vibrasound ? | 03:37 |
| hajour | its good to put on speechcontrol for people who are deaf/blind | 03:38 |
| hajour | its mend to make from sound vibrations | 03:39 |
| hajour | like morse simple said | 03:39 |
| hajour | vibrasound alphabet | 03:39 |
| hajour | already have a couple of persons who are brainstorming about it | 03:40 |
| cprofitt | hajour: not sure... | 03:41 |
| cprofitt | perhaps the folks at system76 could help... | 03:41 |
| hajour | and i would appreciate if maco also would change thoughts about it | 03:41 |
| hajour | it would be awesome if deaf/blind people could use easy internet to with a help piece | 03:42 |
| cprofitt | I agree | 03:43 |
| hajour | i already thinking about it for more then a month | 03:43 |
| hajour | well i go try to sleep a couple of hours | 03:44 |
| hajour | if i don't sleep my body rest anyway | 03:44 |
| hajour | cprofitt, ^ | 03:45 |
| cprofitt | good night | 03:46 |
| cprofitt | see you tomorrow | 03:46 |
| cprofitt | good talking with you | 03:46 |
| hajour | it was good talking with you all to :) | 03:46 |
| hajour | good night :) | 03:47 |
| JackyAlcine | G'night, hajour. | 03:52 |
| cprofitt | Pendulum: are you still awake? | 04:07 |
| Pendulum | cprofitt: yes | 04:08 |
| * maco wonders why morse code would be an improvement over braille, when braille has contractions built in and morse does not | 04:36 | |
| maco | (or, well, common 2-letter combos) | 04:36 |
| cprofitt | maco: I will plead ignorance on that subject | 04:38 |
| maco | braille has 2-letter combos. morse does not. if you cant keep up with speed of morse due to being a newbie to it, you're stuck. braille you just read slower. if you miss a letter in morse you have to guess. braille, you move your hand left. i dont see how a vibrator buzzing out morse would be *more* usable than a braille tty | 04:39 |
| cprofitt | unless the person can not touch... | 04:40 |
| cprofitt | that is the only thing I can think of | 04:40 |
| maco | i think you'd be stuck either way if you lacked a sense of touch | 04:40 |
| cprofitt | well... there are some folks I know that use a stick and their mouth to use a computer | 04:41 |
| cprofitt | they have sight so they do not need braile or morse code | 04:41 |
| Pendulum | maco: I think the aim is for people to not have to be right next to the computer | 04:41 |
| Pendulum | so to involve a new style of headset that is wireless | 04:41 |
| cprofitt | Pendulum: good point... I had not considered that | 04:41 |
| maco | so, notifications type stuff? | 04:41 |
| Pendulum | (yes, this would have to be new hardware developed) | 04:42 |
| Pendulum | I guess? I dunno | 04:42 |
| maco | if you want hardware, you need to go visit a hackerspace :P | 04:42 |
| cprofitt | Sounds cool... | 04:42 |
| cprofitt | I have a hackerspace here... | 04:42 |
| Pendulum | maco: I'd ask hajour tomorrow when she's around if I were you | 04:42 |
| cprofitt | not sure if they would get in to that... | 04:42 |
| Pendulum | and, yes, I agree on the hackerspace | 04:42 |
| Pendulum | and a university | 04:42 |
| Pendulum | anyway, I need sleep, g'night | 04:43 |
| cprofitt | the university near me might be a good one | 04:43 |
| cprofitt | NTID | 04:43 |
| cprofitt | NITD? | 04:43 |
| cprofitt | National Instituted for the Deac | 04:43 |
| cprofitt | g'nigh Pendulum | 04:43 |
| maco | i could see the use in silent notifications from a distance (instead of BING BING from the other room) regardless of able-bodied-ness, but i kinda think just having it buzz to say "check the computer" would be simpler and less prone to "oh wait what was that....crap...start over!" | 04:43 |
| maco | cprofitt: national institute for teh dead?!?! | 04:43 |
| maco | zombie uni! | 04:44 |
| cprofitt | deaf | 04:44 |
| cprofitt | sorry for the bad typing | 04:44 |
| cprofitt | Naational Technical Institute for the Deaf | 04:44 |
| maco | im just teasing since the world's obsessed with zombies | 04:44 |
| cprofitt | NTID | 04:44 |
| cprofitt | http://www.ntid.rit.edu/ | 04:44 |
| maco | ah ok RIT | 04:44 |
| cprofitt | zombies can be cute and fuzzy | 04:44 |
| maco | thats just a subset of a uni. pfffft *i* live near an entire deaf uni :P | 04:45 |
| maco | (im about 10 minutes from gallaudet) | 04:45 |
| maco | (and yes, im being silly) | 04:46 |
| cprofitt | lol | 04:46 |
| maco | but IME, yes, hackerspaces DO tend to have at least a few people who think hacking a11y tools sounds like a fun way to use their powers for good | 04:46 |
| cprofitt | well and the hackerspace near me is full of RIT students | 04:47 |
| cprofitt | so they may be more tuned to that frequency | 04:47 |
| cprofitt | I need to get some sleep too... | 04:47 |
| maco | example: Dan Kaminsky, security hacker dude, is currently obsessed with colourblindness software and working on researching hearing loss in geriatrics to build tools for his grandmother | 04:47 |
| cprofitt | sorry to run maco | 04:47 |
| cprofitt | it would be interesting to talk with you | 04:47 |
| maco | yeah no gally students at hacdc :-/ | 04:47 |
| cprofitt | Dan is a cool cat | 04:47 |
| maco | their CS program is apparently pretty crap | 04:48 |
| maco | oh you know dan k too? | 04:48 |
| cprofitt | Not personally, but read a bit about him | 04:48 |
| maco | ah. saw him a few weeks ago and tried to recruit him to help fix dasher | 04:48 |
| maco | his first suggestion was a watchdog script. which i need to go find one to adapt | 04:48 |
| cprofitt | nice | 04:49 |
| cprofitt | I will have to remember that you know him | 04:49 |
| cprofitt | I could use him as a speaker for a security summit I am working with | 04:49 |
| cprofitt | http://www.rochestersecurity.org/ | 04:49 |
| cprofitt | a little small for his star power, but it would be awesome to have him even consider it | 04:50 |
| cprofitt | I would not want to intrude upon the relationship though... | 04:51 |
| cprofitt | so j/k | 04:51 |
| cprofitt | that would not really be fair | 04:51 |
| cprofitt | I am off to sleep now though... | 04:51 |
| cprofitt | good talking with you maco | 04:51 |
| maco | good night | 04:51 |
| hajour | maco | 05:01 |
| hajour | it was for a example | 05:01 |
| hajour | morse i mean | 05:01 |
| maco | have you heard the term "haptics"? | 05:02 |
| hajour | think of for each font of the alphabet a other vibration | 05:02 |
| maco | haha morse IN BOLD | 05:02 |
| hajour | no i haven’t maco but yes it was mend to give deaf/blind people the possibility to give commands enz from distance | 05:03 |
| hajour | just like people who have no issues | 05:03 |
| maco | haptics is, if i remember right, the general term for user interfaces that are based on feel | 05:03 |
| hajour | also for people who cant move hands enz | 05:03 |
| maco | i had a professor in uni who worked on a device to sort of "project" an image to blind users by having different levels of pressure making the shape on their forehead | 05:04 |
| hajour | but it was just a idea and i have asked people who are deaf and they where very interested | 05:04 |
| hajour | but i heard many people don't like to have a equipment on there head | 05:06 |
| hajour | i am just still puzzle to get the right pieces on there place thats why i ask for info and experiences from others | 05:07 |
| hajour | and when i have read you are busy with a program for deaf if i remember correct.i was wondering to your thought s about it maco | 05:08 |
| maco | i think my software is indirectly useful to deaf people in the "it makes it so more hearing people can understand and communicate with them" way | 05:09 |
| maco | since *usually* if you're deaf you probably already know sign language, unless it's a very new thing | 05:09 |
| hajour | many people together combine knowledge and experience can sometimes make a big difference | 05:09 |
| hajour | do you think it would be usefull to put a input in speechcontrol so your program can plug in if i say it good maco | 05:11 |
| maco | i dont think it's related | 05:11 |
| maco | also, it's in Qt and so therefore not really accessible | 05:11 |
| * hajour have not very knowledge from dev talk | 05:11 | |
| hajour | just was wondering | 05:12 |
| hajour | i have my eeepc standing next to where i sleep :) | 05:13 |
| hajour | i have seen chat light up | 05:13 |
| hajour | but what you find of the raw idea maco i had? | 05:14 |
| hajour | its need to get more shape i agree | 05:14 |
| hajour | good night maco | 05:37 |
| erkan^ | hajour? | 12:52 |
| erkan^ | can you help me | 12:53 |
| UndiFineD | good morning | 12:53 |
| UndiFineD | erkan^: hajour is busy with the kids | 12:53 |
| erkan^ | Good morning UndiFineD | 12:53 |
| erkan^ | I start orca vanuit terminalvenster | 12:54 |
| erkan^ | which option choose I : | 12:54 |
| erkan^ | Kies het gewenste spraaksysteem. | 12:54 |
| erkan^ | 1. Standaard synthesizer | 12:54 |
| erkan^ | 2. espeak | 12:54 |
| erkan^ | 3. dummy | 12:54 |
| erkan^ | Geef uw keuze: | 12:54 |
| UndiFineD | well, for now Id recommend espeak | 12:55 |
| erkan^ | ok | 12:55 |
| erkan^ | but i am deaf, ubot2 | 12:55 |
| erkan^ | oeps UndiFineD | 12:55 |
| UndiFineD | oh haha | 12:55 |
| UndiFineD | sorry, forgot | 12:55 |
| erkan^ | no problem | 12:56 |
| erkan^ | what mean: Toetsecho per woord gebruiken? Geef j of n: | 12:56 |
| UndiFineD | it means whether or not to play a sound when a key is pressed | 12:56 |
| erkan^ | ow ok | 12:56 |
| erkan^ | i go choose no | 12:56 |
| UndiFineD | or per word | 12:56 |
| erkan^ | see pm | 12:59 |
| Pendulum | I just wanted to say in here that I am around for social chatting today, however, I am not thinking about anything that even remotely relates to "work". The closest I plan on getting to work (of my own or others) is watching the rugby | 14:05 |
| JackyAlcine | Hey Pendulum? | 16:05 |
| JackyAlcine | o.O hmm, she's out.. | 16:06 |
| UndiFineD | maybe it is rugby time :) | 16:27 |
| JackyAlcine | lol :) | 16:28 |
| UndiFineD | Pendulum is saving spoons today | 16:29 |
| erkan^ | humm, i see orca is dificult. i tried with a Zoom | 17:05 |
| * erkan^ had ook hoofdpijn :p | 17:06 | |
| Pendulum | JackyAlcine: sorry, was watching rugby and I'm following a bunch of Movile World Congress stuff so was dealing with that as well | 21:23 |
| JackyAlcine | Ah, well, it was about our InfernoBot project. | 21:24 |
| Pendulum | ok | 21:24 |
| JackyAlcine | But phillw informed us on its work and we decided to stick to a plugin. | 21:24 |
| Pendulum | *nods* | 21:24 |
| JackyAlcine | Since it was more abiding to the FreeNode rules and promotes portability across channels. | 21:24 |
| JackyAlcine | Not having to bring a bot everywhere. | 21:24 |
| phillw | hiyas Pendulum jmarsden, who is qualified to be a MOTU and helping our lubuntu MOTU has agreed to help the team out, which is really kind of him. | 21:26 |
| Pendulum | yeah | 21:27 |
| Pendulum | great | 21:27 |
| * Pendulum goes back to her rock | 21:28 | |
| Pendulum | (sorry, I'm just headachey) | 21:28 |
| JackyAlcine | Pendulum: No stress. | 21:30 |
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