[00:12] <erkan^> I have installed Jaaa and Sonic Visualizer.. i don't understand that :S
[00:33] <hajour> good night all:)
[00:34] <erkan^> good night hajour (-:
[01:37] <phillw> hiyas AlanBell you still awake?
[02:23] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: ping
[02:23] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: mind if I PM you?
[02:23] <cprofitt> hey Pendulum 
[02:24] <Pendulum> hi cprofitt 
[02:24] <cprofitt> you might be able to answer my question as well
[02:24] <Pendulum> cprofitt: shoot
[02:24] <cprofitt> I am looking at Alpha 3 stage of our blueprint
[02:24] <cprofitt> and there is an item for me to identify missing wiki pages
[02:25] <cprofitt> I do not remember what that is...
[02:25] <cprofitt> but want to get started onit
[02:25] <Pendulum> cprofitt: I think the idea is to look at things that would be useful to have on the wiki that aren't there right now (just so we have a list)
[02:25]  * cprofitt nods
[02:25] <cprofitt> ok... I will get started on that
[02:26] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: go ahead
[02:26] <cprofitt> FYI -- we have our first 'mentor' for accessibility approved on the Beginners Team
[02:26] <Pendulum> oh?
[02:26] <Pendulum> cprofitt: who?
[02:27] <cprofitt> so I hope to expose BT members and developers passing through the BT a good dose of accessibility -- so they understand it
[02:27] <cprofitt> hajour
[02:27] <cprofitt> I think you know her
[02:28] <cprofitt> UndiFineD and JackyAlcine could also be mentors -- assuming you guys approve of them being mentors for either developers or testers
[02:38] <charlie-tca> cprofitt: we have references to pages that do not actually exist yet, in the wiki
[02:38] <cprofitt> I can find those too
[02:38] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: are you willing to serve as a mentor for accessibility in the BT?
[02:38] <charlie-tca> and we have to write those pages, too
[02:39] <charlie-tca> yes, I can do that. But I have been staying out of the speech-control project. I don't have time to invest heavily in another project
[02:40] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: its not project specific...
[02:41] <charlie-tca> sure be good to do than
[02:41] <cprofitt> you get to pick if you want to mentor someone
[02:41] <cprofitt> a young developer who needs to understand accessibility
[02:41] <charlie-tca> Just point them at me or me at them
[02:41] <cprofitt> or a person who wants to learn how to test for accessibility would be my targets
[02:42] <charlie-tca> I would be happy to help with that. We need to teach more people about accessibility
[02:46] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: speechcontrol is not the UBT a11y focus group :)
[02:48] <charlie-tca> That will work then. It does seem to take over at times :-)
[02:48] <charlie-tca> cprofitt: do I need to put my name somewhere for mentoring?
[02:48] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: I swear I might need to get that phrase written in the sky outside the next UDS :-/
[02:49] <charlie-tca> We'll hang on together, huh
[02:49] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: yes -- I can add you though
[02:49] <cprofitt> its on our wiki page
[02:50] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Mentors
[02:50] <cprofitt> bottom table if you want to do it
[02:51] <charlie-tca> You can do it, if you got time
[02:53] <cprofitt> I do... but give me 5-10 minutes
[02:53] <cprofitt> thanks for helping out charlie-tca 
[02:53] <charlie-tca> no problem
[02:53] <charlie-tca> yw, I just try to help where I can, you know that... :-)
[02:54] <cprofitt> what TZ are you in again charlie-tca ?
[02:54] <charlie-tca> mountain
[02:56] <cprofitt> GMT-7
[02:59] <charlie-tca> that's it
[02:59] <charlie-tca> until we change time again, anyway ;-)
[02:59] <cprofitt> ok... you are added to the page
[02:59] <charlie-tca> thanks
[03:13] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: would you be willing to mentor hajour ?
[03:14] <hajour> sorry need to read back first
[03:16] <charlie-tca> yes
[03:18] <hajour> i will be honered to have charlie-tca  as a mentor 
[03:18] <hajour> i have many questions just give me time to writhe them on a pastebin tomorrow XD
[03:19] <charlie-tca> okay
[03:19] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[03:19] <hajour> writhing cost time to me
[03:20] <hajour> only i hope its no problem i need more time to automate new things charlie-tca 
[03:20] <hajour> are you sure you dare to be my mentor charlie-tca 
[03:20] <hajour> i just been honest
[03:22] <charlie-tca> hajour: I never okay unless I mean it
[03:23] <charlie-tca> I will do my best.
[03:23] <hajour> i just tell so you know what kind of mentee you take charlie-tca 
[03:23] <cprofitt> fantastic guys
[03:24] <hajour> i know you will do your best .i have seen how much time you take to help people charlie-tca  if you had it
[03:24] <cprofitt> hajour: charlie-tca is a first rate person
[03:24] <cprofitt> he is one of the best people I have met on the planet
[03:24] <charlie-tca> I have lots of experience with people, you are pretty easy, really. You just have lots of questions and lots of enthusiasm, both are very good
[03:24] <hajour> :)
[03:24] <hajour> just not know what to say on this moment :)
[03:24] <Pendulum> hajour: I want to 2nd that charlie-tca is great :)
[03:26] <hajour> yes Pendulum its only many times people said they want to help me.but after a while they discover it will take more time then by (normal) people and then they disappear.so i have learned the best way is to tell them where they begin on
[03:27] <charlie-tca> You just should know when I am tired, I wait until I get rested to answer again. Don't feel ignored, but please be patient.
[03:28] <hajour> ok charlie-tca :)
[03:28] <hajour> what is your time space charlie-tca ?
[03:28] <hajour> forgot mine :S
[03:29] <hajour> i live in Netherlands
[03:29] <Pendulum> hajour: don't worry, people from this team are far more likely to understand the extra work needed :)
[03:29] <charlie-tca> I am usually available 15:00 pm to about 3:00 am your time
[03:30] <charlie-tca> You are about 8 hours ahead of me.
[03:30] <hajour> ok sorry i have said it its just i am been many times disappointed when i could not learn further because people give up
[03:31] <hajour> ok charlie-tca :)
[03:31] <hajour> i most live in nights :)
[03:31] <charlie-tca> no problem, you have learned to expect disappointment. I will try to not do that to you
[03:32] <hajour> ok charlie-tca  if you look up dispraxie you know how i learn
[03:33] <charlie-tca> I even have experience with adhd and add people... I have some nephews that I have learned to help too. 
[03:33] <charlie-tca> We will be fine together
[03:34] <charlie-tca> It took me two years to teach one nephew how to read a ruler/scale
[03:34] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: thanks for taking on hajour 
[03:35] <charlie-tca> We
[03:35] <cprofitt> she is an awesome person as well... who truly wants to contribute to Ubuntu
[03:35] <charlie-tca> will be fine. hajour is great to have around
[03:35] <hajour> :)
[03:36] <charlie-tca> and with that, I am going rest now, if no one objects
[03:36] <hajour> hehe sleep well charlie-tca :)
[03:36] <hajour> cprofitt, 
[03:36] <charlie-tca> My irc client is on most of the time, so you can pm me if you want and I will get it when I come back live
[03:37] <cprofitt> thanks charlie-tca -- get some sleep
[03:37] <cprofitt> hajour: yes?
[03:37] <hajour> where can i say my idea about a equipment to make what makes vibrasound ?
[03:38] <hajour> its good to put on speechcontrol for people who are deaf/blind
[03:39] <hajour> its mend to make from sound vibrations
[03:39] <hajour> like morse simple said
[03:39] <hajour> vibrasound alphabet
[03:40] <hajour> already have a couple of persons who are brainstorming about it 
[03:41] <cprofitt> hajour: not sure... 
[03:41] <cprofitt> perhaps the folks at system76 could help...
[03:41] <hajour> and i would appreciate if maco  also would change thoughts about it
[03:42] <hajour> it would be awesome if deaf/blind people could use easy internet to with a help piece
[03:43] <cprofitt> I agree
[03:43] <hajour> i already thinking about it for more then a month
[03:44] <hajour> well i go try to sleep a couple of hours 
[03:44] <hajour> if i don't sleep my body rest anyway
[03:45] <hajour> cprofitt, ^
[03:46] <cprofitt> good night
[03:46] <cprofitt> see you tomorrow
[03:46] <cprofitt> good talking with you 
[03:46] <hajour> it was good talking with you all to :)
[03:47] <hajour> good night :)
[03:52] <JackyAlcine>  G'night, hajour.
[04:07] <cprofitt> Pendulum: are you still awake?
[04:08] <Pendulum> cprofitt: yes
[04:36]  * maco wonders why morse code would be an improvement over braille, when braille has contractions built in and morse does not
[04:36] <maco> (or, well, common 2-letter combos)
[04:38] <cprofitt> maco: I will plead ignorance on that subject
[04:39] <maco> braille has 2-letter combos. morse does not. if you cant keep up with speed of morse due to being a newbie to it, you're stuck. braille you just read slower. if you miss a letter in morse you have to guess. braille, you move your hand left.  i dont see how a vibrator buzzing out morse would be *more* usable than a braille tty
[04:40] <cprofitt> unless the person can not touch...
[04:40] <cprofitt> that is the only thing I can think of
[04:40] <maco> i think you'd be stuck either way if you lacked a sense of touch
[04:41] <cprofitt> well... there are some folks I know that use a stick and their mouth to use a computer
[04:41] <cprofitt> they have sight so they do not need braile or morse code
[04:41] <Pendulum> maco: I think the aim is for people to not have to be right next to the computer
[04:41] <Pendulum> so to involve a new style of headset that is wireless
[04:41] <cprofitt> Pendulum: good point... I had not considered that
[04:41] <maco> so, notifications type stuff?
[04:42] <Pendulum> (yes, this would have to be new hardware developed)
[04:42] <Pendulum> I guess? I dunno
[04:42] <maco> if you want hardware, you need to go visit a hackerspace :P
[04:42] <cprofitt> Sounds cool...
[04:42] <cprofitt> I have a hackerspace here...
[04:42] <Pendulum> maco: I'd ask hajour tomorrow when she's around if I were you
[04:42] <cprofitt> not sure if they would get in to that...
[04:42] <Pendulum> and, yes, I agree on the hackerspace
[04:42] <Pendulum> and a university
[04:43] <Pendulum> anyway, I need sleep, g'night
[04:43] <cprofitt> the university near me might be a good one
[04:43] <cprofitt> NTID
[04:43] <cprofitt> NITD?
[04:43] <cprofitt> National Instituted for the Deac
[04:43] <cprofitt> g'nigh Pendulum 
[04:43] <maco> i could see the use in silent notifications from a distance (instead of BING BING from the other room) regardless of able-bodied-ness, but i kinda think just having it buzz to say "check the computer" would be simpler and less prone to "oh wait what was that....crap...start over!"
[04:43] <maco> cprofitt: national institute for teh dead?!?!
[04:44] <maco> zombie uni!
[04:44] <cprofitt> deaf
[04:44] <cprofitt> sorry for the bad typing
[04:44] <cprofitt> Naational Technical Institute for the Deaf
[04:44] <maco> im just teasing since the world's obsessed with zombies
[04:44] <cprofitt> NTID
[04:44] <cprofitt> http://www.ntid.rit.edu/
[04:44] <maco> ah ok RIT
[04:44] <cprofitt> zombies can be cute and fuzzy
[04:45] <maco> thats just a subset of a uni. pfffft *i* live near an entire deaf uni :P
[04:45] <maco> (im about 10 minutes from gallaudet)
[04:46] <maco> (and yes, im being silly)
[04:46] <cprofitt> lol
[04:46] <maco> but IME, yes, hackerspaces DO tend to have at least a few people who think hacking a11y tools sounds like a fun way to use their powers for good
[04:47] <cprofitt> well and the hackerspace near me is full of RIT students
[04:47] <cprofitt> so they may be more tuned to that frequency
[04:47] <cprofitt> I need to get some sleep too...
[04:47] <maco> example:  Dan Kaminsky, security hacker dude, is currently obsessed with colourblindness software and working on researching hearing loss in geriatrics to build tools for his grandmother
[04:47] <cprofitt> sorry to run maco 
[04:47] <cprofitt> it would be interesting to talk with you
[04:47] <maco> yeah no gally students at hacdc :-/
[04:47] <cprofitt> Dan is a cool cat
[04:48] <maco> their CS program is apparently pretty crap
[04:48] <maco> oh you know dan k too?
[04:48] <cprofitt> Not personally, but read a bit about him
[04:48] <maco> ah. saw him a few weeks ago and tried to recruit him to help fix dasher
[04:48] <maco> his first suggestion was a watchdog script. which i need to go find one to adapt
[04:49] <cprofitt> nice
[04:49] <cprofitt> I will have to remember that you know him
[04:49] <cprofitt> I could use him as a speaker for a security summit I am working with
[04:49] <cprofitt> http://www.rochestersecurity.org/
[04:50] <cprofitt> a little small for his star power, but it would be awesome to have him even consider it
[04:51] <cprofitt> I would not want to intrude upon the relationship though...
[04:51] <cprofitt> so j/k
[04:51] <cprofitt> that would not really be fair
[04:51] <cprofitt> I am off to sleep now though...
[04:51] <cprofitt> good talking with you maco
[04:51] <maco> good night
[05:01] <hajour> maco
[05:01] <hajour> it was for a example
[05:01] <hajour> morse i mean
[05:02] <maco> have you heard the term "haptics"?
[05:02] <hajour> think of for each font of the alphabet a other vibration
[05:02] <maco> haha morse IN BOLD
[05:03] <hajour> no i haven’t maco but yes it was mend to give deaf/blind people the possibility to give commands enz from distance
[05:03] <hajour> just like people who have no issues
[05:03] <maco> haptics is, if i remember right, the general term for user interfaces that are based on feel
[05:03] <hajour> also for people who cant move hands enz
[05:04] <maco> i had a professor in uni who worked on a device to sort of "project" an image to blind users by having different levels of pressure making the shape on their forehead
[05:04] <hajour> but it was just a idea and i have asked people who are deaf and they where very interested
[05:06] <hajour> but i heard many people don't like to have a equipment on there head
[05:07] <hajour> i am just still puzzle to get the right pieces on there place thats why i ask for info and experiences from others
[05:08] <hajour> and when i have read you are busy with a program for deaf if i remember correct.i was wondering to your thought s about it maco
[05:09] <maco> i think  my software is indirectly useful to deaf people in the "it makes it so more hearing people can understand and communicate with them" way
[05:09] <maco> since *usually* if you're deaf you probably already know sign language, unless it's a very new thing
[05:09] <hajour> many people together combine knowledge and experience can sometimes make a big difference
[05:11] <hajour> do you think it would be usefull to put a input in speechcontrol so your program can plug in if i say it good maco
[05:11] <maco> i dont think it's related
[05:11] <maco> also, it's in Qt and so therefore not really accessible
[05:11]  * hajour have not very knowledge from dev talk
[05:12] <hajour> just was wondering
[05:13] <hajour> i have my eeepc standing next to where i sleep :)
[05:13] <hajour> i have seen chat light up  
[05:14] <hajour> but what you find of the raw idea maco  i had?
[05:14] <hajour> its need to get more shape i agree
[05:37] <hajour> good night maco
[12:52] <erkan^> hajour?
[12:53] <erkan^> can you help me
[12:53] <UndiFineD> good morning
[12:53] <UndiFineD> erkan^: hajour is busy with the kids
[12:53] <erkan^> Good morning UndiFineD 
[12:54] <erkan^> I start orca vanuit terminalvenster
[12:54] <erkan^> which option choose I :
[12:54] <erkan^> Kies het gewenste spraaksysteem.
[12:54] <erkan^> 1. Standaard synthesizer
[12:54] <erkan^> 2. espeak
[12:54] <erkan^> 3. dummy
[12:54] <erkan^> Geef uw keuze: 
[12:55] <UndiFineD> well, for now Id recommend espeak
[12:55] <erkan^> ok
[12:55] <erkan^> but i am deaf, ubot2 
[12:55] <erkan^> oeps UndiFineD 
[12:55] <UndiFineD> oh haha
[12:55] <UndiFineD> sorry, forgot
[12:56] <erkan^> no problem
[12:56] <erkan^> what mean: Toetsecho per woord gebruiken?  Geef j of n: 
[12:56] <UndiFineD> it means whether or not to play a sound when a key is pressed
[12:56] <erkan^> ow ok
[12:56] <erkan^> i go choose no
[12:56] <UndiFineD> or per word
[12:59] <erkan^> see pm
[14:05] <Pendulum> I just wanted to say in here that I am around for social chatting today, however, I am not thinking about anything that even remotely relates to "work". The closest I plan on getting to work (of my own or others) is watching the rugby
[16:05] <JackyAlcine> Hey Pendulum? 
[16:06] <JackyAlcine> o.O hmm, she's out..
[16:27] <UndiFineD> maybe it is rugby time :)
[16:28] <JackyAlcine> lol :)
[16:29] <UndiFineD> Pendulum is saving spoons today
[17:05] <erkan^> humm, i see orca is dificult. i tried with a Zoom
[17:06]  * erkan^ had ook hoofdpijn :p
[21:23] <Pendulum> JackyAlcine: sorry, was watching rugby and I'm following a bunch of Movile World Congress stuff so was dealing with that as well
[21:24] <JackyAlcine> Ah, well, it was about our InfernoBot project.
[21:24] <Pendulum> ok
[21:24] <JackyAlcine> But phillw informed us on its work and we decided to stick to a plugin.
[21:24] <Pendulum> *nods*
[21:24] <JackyAlcine> Since it was more abiding to the FreeNode rules and promotes portability across channels.
[21:24] <JackyAlcine> Not having to bring a bot everywhere.
[21:26] <phillw> hiyas Pendulum jmarsden, who is qualified to be a MOTU and helping our lubuntu MOTU has agreed to help the team out, which is really kind of him.
[21:27] <Pendulum> yeah
[21:27] <Pendulum> great
[21:28]  * Pendulum goes back to her rock
[21:28] <Pendulum> (sorry, I'm just headachey)
[21:30] <JackyAlcine> Pendulum: No stress.