[00:12] I have installed Jaaa and Sonic Visualizer.. i don't understand that :S [00:33] good night all:) [00:34] good night hajour (-: [01:37] hiyas AlanBell you still awake? [02:23] charlie-tca: ping [02:23] charlie-tca: mind if I PM you? [02:23] hey Pendulum [02:24] hi cprofitt [02:24] you might be able to answer my question as well [02:24] cprofitt: shoot [02:24] I am looking at Alpha 3 stage of our blueprint [02:24] and there is an item for me to identify missing wiki pages [02:25] I do not remember what that is... [02:25] but want to get started onit [02:25] cprofitt: I think the idea is to look at things that would be useful to have on the wiki that aren't there right now (just so we have a list) [02:25] * cprofitt nods [02:25] ok... I will get started on that [02:26] Pendulum: go ahead [02:26] FYI -- we have our first 'mentor' for accessibility approved on the Beginners Team [02:26] oh? [02:26] cprofitt: who? [02:27] so I hope to expose BT members and developers passing through the BT a good dose of accessibility -- so they understand it [02:27] hajour [02:27] I think you know her [02:28] UndiFineD and JackyAlcine could also be mentors -- assuming you guys approve of them being mentors for either developers or testers [02:38] cprofitt: we have references to pages that do not actually exist yet, in the wiki [02:38] I can find those too [02:38] charlie-tca: are you willing to serve as a mentor for accessibility in the BT? [02:38] and we have to write those pages, too [02:39] yes, I can do that. But I have been staying out of the speech-control project. I don't have time to invest heavily in another project [02:40] charlie-tca: its not project specific... [02:41] sure be good to do than [02:41] you get to pick if you want to mentor someone [02:41] a young developer who needs to understand accessibility [02:41] Just point them at me or me at them [02:41] or a person who wants to learn how to test for accessibility would be my targets [02:42] I would be happy to help with that. We need to teach more people about accessibility [02:46] charlie-tca: speechcontrol is not the UBT a11y focus group :) [02:48] That will work then. It does seem to take over at times :-) [02:48] cprofitt: do I need to put my name somewhere for mentoring? [02:48] charlie-tca: I swear I might need to get that phrase written in the sky outside the next UDS :-/ [02:49] We'll hang on together, huh [02:49] charlie-tca: yes -- I can add you though [02:49] its on our wiki page [02:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Mentors [02:50] bottom table if you want to do it [02:51] You can do it, if you got time [02:53] I do... but give me 5-10 minutes [02:53] thanks for helping out charlie-tca [02:53] no problem [02:53] yw, I just try to help where I can, you know that... :-) [02:54] what TZ are you in again charlie-tca ? [02:54] mountain [02:56] GMT-7 [02:59] that's it [02:59] until we change time again, anyway ;-) [02:59] ok... you are added to the page [02:59] thanks [03:13] charlie-tca: would you be willing to mentor hajour ? [03:14] sorry need to read back first [03:16] yes [03:18] i will be honered to have charlie-tca as a mentor [03:18] i have many questions just give me time to writhe them on a pastebin tomorrow XD [03:19] okay [03:19] Thank you [03:19] writhing cost time to me [03:20] only i hope its no problem i need more time to automate new things charlie-tca [03:20] are you sure you dare to be my mentor charlie-tca [03:20] i just been honest [03:22] hajour: I never okay unless I mean it [03:23] I will do my best. [03:23] i just tell so you know what kind of mentee you take charlie-tca [03:23] fantastic guys [03:24] i know you will do your best .i have seen how much time you take to help people charlie-tca if you had it [03:24] hajour: charlie-tca is a first rate person [03:24] he is one of the best people I have met on the planet [03:24] I have lots of experience with people, you are pretty easy, really. You just have lots of questions and lots of enthusiasm, both are very good [03:24] :) [03:24] just not know what to say on this moment :) [03:24] hajour: I want to 2nd that charlie-tca is great :) [03:26] yes Pendulum its only many times people said they want to help me.but after a while they discover it will take more time then by (normal) people and then they disappear.so i have learned the best way is to tell them where they begin on [03:27] You just should know when I am tired, I wait until I get rested to answer again. Don't feel ignored, but please be patient. [03:28] ok charlie-tca :) [03:28] what is your time space charlie-tca ? [03:28] forgot mine :S [03:29] i live in Netherlands [03:29] hajour: don't worry, people from this team are far more likely to understand the extra work needed :) [03:29] I am usually available 15:00 pm to about 3:00 am your time [03:30] You are about 8 hours ahead of me. [03:30] ok sorry i have said it its just i am been many times disappointed when i could not learn further because people give up [03:31] ok charlie-tca :) [03:31] i most live in nights :) [03:31] no problem, you have learned to expect disappointment. I will try to not do that to you [03:32] ok charlie-tca if you look up dispraxie you know how i learn [03:33] I even have experience with adhd and add people... I have some nephews that I have learned to help too. [03:33] We will be fine together [03:34] It took me two years to teach one nephew how to read a ruler/scale [03:34] charlie-tca: thanks for taking on hajour [03:35] We [03:35] she is an awesome person as well... who truly wants to contribute to Ubuntu [03:35] will be fine. hajour is great to have around [03:35] :) [03:36] and with that, I am going rest now, if no one objects [03:36] hehe sleep well charlie-tca :) [03:36] cprofitt, [03:36] My irc client is on most of the time, so you can pm me if you want and I will get it when I come back live [03:37] thanks charlie-tca -- get some sleep [03:37] hajour: yes? [03:37] where can i say my idea about a equipment to make what makes vibrasound ? [03:38] its good to put on speechcontrol for people who are deaf/blind [03:39] its mend to make from sound vibrations [03:39] like morse simple said [03:39] vibrasound alphabet [03:40] already have a couple of persons who are brainstorming about it [03:41] hajour: not sure... [03:41] perhaps the folks at system76 could help... [03:41] and i would appreciate if maco also would change thoughts about it [03:42] it would be awesome if deaf/blind people could use easy internet to with a help piece [03:43] I agree [03:43] i already thinking about it for more then a month [03:44] well i go try to sleep a couple of hours [03:44] if i don't sleep my body rest anyway [03:45] cprofitt, ^ [03:46] good night [03:46] see you tomorrow [03:46] good talking with you [03:46] it was good talking with you all to :) [03:47] good night :) [03:52] G'night, hajour. [04:07] Pendulum: are you still awake? [04:08] cprofitt: yes [04:36] * maco wonders why morse code would be an improvement over braille, when braille has contractions built in and morse does not [04:36] (or, well, common 2-letter combos) [04:38] maco: I will plead ignorance on that subject [04:39] braille has 2-letter combos. morse does not. if you cant keep up with speed of morse due to being a newbie to it, you're stuck. braille you just read slower. if you miss a letter in morse you have to guess. braille, you move your hand left. i dont see how a vibrator buzzing out morse would be *more* usable than a braille tty [04:40] unless the person can not touch... [04:40] that is the only thing I can think of [04:40] i think you'd be stuck either way if you lacked a sense of touch [04:41] well... there are some folks I know that use a stick and their mouth to use a computer [04:41] they have sight so they do not need braile or morse code [04:41] maco: I think the aim is for people to not have to be right next to the computer [04:41] so to involve a new style of headset that is wireless [04:41] Pendulum: good point... I had not considered that [04:41] so, notifications type stuff? [04:42] (yes, this would have to be new hardware developed) [04:42] I guess? I dunno [04:42] if you want hardware, you need to go visit a hackerspace :P [04:42] Sounds cool... [04:42] I have a hackerspace here... [04:42] maco: I'd ask hajour tomorrow when she's around if I were you [04:42] not sure if they would get in to that... [04:42] and, yes, I agree on the hackerspace [04:42] and a university [04:43] anyway, I need sleep, g'night [04:43] the university near me might be a good one [04:43] NTID [04:43] NITD? [04:43] National Instituted for the Deac [04:43] g'nigh Pendulum [04:43] i could see the use in silent notifications from a distance (instead of BING BING from the other room) regardless of able-bodied-ness, but i kinda think just having it buzz to say "check the computer" would be simpler and less prone to "oh wait what was that....crap...start over!" [04:43] cprofitt: national institute for teh dead?!?! [04:44] zombie uni! [04:44] deaf [04:44] sorry for the bad typing [04:44] Naational Technical Institute for the Deaf [04:44] im just teasing since the world's obsessed with zombies [04:44] NTID [04:44] http://www.ntid.rit.edu/ [04:44] ah ok RIT [04:44] zombies can be cute and fuzzy [04:45] thats just a subset of a uni. pfffft *i* live near an entire deaf uni :P [04:45] (im about 10 minutes from gallaudet) [04:46] (and yes, im being silly) [04:46] lol [04:46] but IME, yes, hackerspaces DO tend to have at least a few people who think hacking a11y tools sounds like a fun way to use their powers for good [04:47] well and the hackerspace near me is full of RIT students [04:47] so they may be more tuned to that frequency [04:47] I need to get some sleep too... [04:47] example: Dan Kaminsky, security hacker dude, is currently obsessed with colourblindness software and working on researching hearing loss in geriatrics to build tools for his grandmother [04:47] sorry to run maco [04:47] it would be interesting to talk with you [04:47] yeah no gally students at hacdc :-/ [04:47] Dan is a cool cat [04:48] their CS program is apparently pretty crap [04:48] oh you know dan k too? [04:48] Not personally, but read a bit about him [04:48] ah. saw him a few weeks ago and tried to recruit him to help fix dasher [04:48] his first suggestion was a watchdog script. which i need to go find one to adapt [04:49] nice [04:49] I will have to remember that you know him [04:49] I could use him as a speaker for a security summit I am working with [04:49] http://www.rochestersecurity.org/ [04:50] a little small for his star power, but it would be awesome to have him even consider it [04:51] I would not want to intrude upon the relationship though... [04:51] so j/k [04:51] that would not really be fair [04:51] I am off to sleep now though... [04:51] good talking with you maco [04:51] good night [05:01] maco [05:01] it was for a example [05:01] morse i mean [05:02] have you heard the term "haptics"? [05:02] think of for each font of the alphabet a other vibration [05:02] haha morse IN BOLD [05:03] no i haven’t maco but yes it was mend to give deaf/blind people the possibility to give commands enz from distance [05:03] just like people who have no issues [05:03] haptics is, if i remember right, the general term for user interfaces that are based on feel [05:03] also for people who cant move hands enz [05:04] i had a professor in uni who worked on a device to sort of "project" an image to blind users by having different levels of pressure making the shape on their forehead [05:04] but it was just a idea and i have asked people who are deaf and they where very interested [05:06] but i heard many people don't like to have a equipment on there head [05:07] i am just still puzzle to get the right pieces on there place thats why i ask for info and experiences from others [05:08] and when i have read you are busy with a program for deaf if i remember correct.i was wondering to your thought s about it maco [05:09] i think my software is indirectly useful to deaf people in the "it makes it so more hearing people can understand and communicate with them" way [05:09] since *usually* if you're deaf you probably already know sign language, unless it's a very new thing [05:09] many people together combine knowledge and experience can sometimes make a big difference [05:11] do you think it would be usefull to put a input in speechcontrol so your program can plug in if i say it good maco [05:11] i dont think it's related [05:11] also, it's in Qt and so therefore not really accessible [05:11] * hajour have not very knowledge from dev talk [05:12] just was wondering [05:13] i have my eeepc standing next to where i sleep :) [05:13] i have seen chat light up [05:14] but what you find of the raw idea maco i had? [05:14] its need to get more shape i agree [05:37] good night maco [12:52] hajour? [12:53] can you help me [12:53] good morning [12:53] erkan^: hajour is busy with the kids [12:53] Good morning UndiFineD [12:54] I start orca vanuit terminalvenster [12:54] which option choose I : [12:54] Kies het gewenste spraaksysteem. [12:54] 1. Standaard synthesizer [12:54] 2. espeak [12:54] 3. dummy [12:54] Geef uw keuze: [12:55] well, for now Id recommend espeak [12:55] ok [12:55] but i am deaf, ubot2 [12:55] oeps UndiFineD [12:55] oh haha [12:55] sorry, forgot [12:56] no problem [12:56] what mean: Toetsecho per woord gebruiken? Geef j of n: [12:56] it means whether or not to play a sound when a key is pressed [12:56] ow ok [12:56] i go choose no [12:56] or per word [12:59] see pm [14:05] I just wanted to say in here that I am around for social chatting today, however, I am not thinking about anything that even remotely relates to "work". The closest I plan on getting to work (of my own or others) is watching the rugby [16:05] Hey Pendulum? [16:06] o.O hmm, she's out.. [16:27] maybe it is rugby time :) [16:28] lol :) [16:29] Pendulum is saving spoons today [17:05] humm, i see orca is dificult. i tried with a Zoom [17:06] * erkan^ had ook hoofdpijn :p [21:23] JackyAlcine: sorry, was watching rugby and I'm following a bunch of Movile World Congress stuff so was dealing with that as well [21:24] Ah, well, it was about our InfernoBot project. [21:24] ok [21:24] But phillw informed us on its work and we decided to stick to a plugin. [21:24] *nods* [21:24] Since it was more abiding to the FreeNode rules and promotes portability across channels. [21:24] Not having to bring a bot everywhere. [21:26] hiyas Pendulum jmarsden, who is qualified to be a MOTU and helping our lubuntu MOTU has agreed to help the team out, which is really kind of him. [21:27] yeah [21:27] great [21:28] * Pendulum goes back to her rock [21:28] (sorry, I'm just headachey) [21:30] Pendulum: No stress.