[01:25] <sagaci> hey
[03:58] <sagaci> hi
[05:27] <head_victim> Gday sagaci 
[05:27] <sagaci> what's happening
[05:28] <head_victim> Just submitted my first job application in about 15 years
[05:29] <head_victim> You?
[05:30] <sagaci> trying set up a blog
[05:31] <head_victim> I don't have enough stuff interesting to say to write a blog.
[05:31] <sagaci> neither do I but it'll fill in five minutes here and there
[05:32] <head_victim> I've often considered it so I could write up things I've done so if I need to do it again I have it online to check with
[05:32] <sagaci> and just "won" an opensuse t-shirt
[05:32] <head_victim> Haha yeah I saw that, not sure I'd fit a medium though and it's not my wife's style
[05:33] <sagaci> neither would I but I have a student interested in FLOSS that would appreciate it
[05:33] <head_victim> Ah fair call.
[05:34] <sagaci> in primary school, learning logo and python
[05:34] <sagaci> wish I had that kind of a brain back then
[05:34] <sagaci> not that I do now
[05:35] <head_victim> They'll be more developer skilled than I am :/ I just wish I had of realised I liked IT before I did a Psychology degree.
[05:36] <sagaci> yeah but I think there'd be a lot of crap you'd have to study for an IT degree
[05:36] <sagaci> take most of the fun out of it
[05:36] <head_victim> Yeah I would have done it though, would be better suited to jobs I'd enjoy more than I'm doing now
[05:37] <sagaci> i just took one of the units from the comp faculty. the Unix/Linux environment... took all the exercises and exams and tried to work through it
[05:39] <Phlosten> head_victim: you are not alone, there are huge amounts of uni graduates these days that end up working in entirely different industries
[05:40] <Phlosten> we make kids pick their careers far too early in life
[05:40] <head_victim> Phlosten: Oh I'm currently using my degree, that's not a problem, I just wish I could have done it combined with something IT so I could be where I want :D
[05:41] <Phlosten> and work experience placement does not seem to be valued as much anymore
[05:41] <head_victim> That's because we're all too money focussed
[05:42] <Phlosten> indeed, which is sad, because a fulfilling career is not just about money
[05:43] <sagaci> fulfilling career... rm -rf'ing the main server on your last day of work
[06:12] <Phlosten> firefox seems to crash a hell of a lot under Ubuntu, guessing it is most likely the Flash plugin, but still very annoying
[06:13] <head_victim> I keep crashing the pdf plugin
[06:13] <head_victim> Doesn't open the file, if I quit an dsave all tabs and then re open it works
[09:34] <head_victim> caryb & blahdeblah & any other Brisbanites - I'm in preliminary talks with someone who cold emailed me off the wiki I think. They are a student at a public high school and have floated the idea of Ubuntu-AU coming to do a talk. I have given them a few things to think about as to what they want from us but would you be interested in coming along for this sort of thing? Obviously date and time tbc.
[09:39] <blahdeblah> Where is it?
[09:41] <head_victim> blahdeblah: actually looks closer to caryb than you or I, Dakabin appears to be just past Kallangur and Petrie. Maybe I can see if jfer is interested as well. 
[09:42] <head_victim> Although I'd be willing to carpool people if that were a better option
[09:42] <blahdeblah> Well, let me know what you come up with.  If it's a Friday i might be able to come.
[09:42] <head_victim> I've just put to them they need to decide what sort of information they want from us, I've suggested an installfest for the IT class
[09:43] <head_victim> I also need to know what suits them best, either after school, during school, or on the weekend.
[09:43] <head_victim> But I think it's too good an opportunity to turn down.
[10:18] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Absolutely.  If i can make it work, i will.
[10:22] <head_victim> blahdeblah: cool so if I'm trying to guide them to a timeframe fridays work for you? How about weekends or weeknights?
[10:39] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Some weeknights & Saturdays can work for me - just depends on how much notice i get.
[10:40] <head_victim> blahdeblah: no worries, I'm waiting for them to get back to me now just thought I'd get what sort of an idea I could so I could work out a time where more than just me can go
[10:40] <head_victim> I'm fine for talking and doing but when it comes to technical stuff I don't just know it off the top of my head, I need to look it up.
[10:50] <sagaci> hi
[10:56] <caryb> Jared, I can do that if you want. Dakabin is 15 mins from me
[10:57] <head_victim> caryb: sweet, figure if we have a team of 2 - 3 it will work great
[10:57] <caryb> no probs:-)
[10:58] <head_victim> Is there a "better" time of the week for you? Just if they start talking times and days I'd like to get a general feel of what does and doesn't work
[10:58] <caryb> 4th fri night of the month is out other than that is ok
[10:59] <caryb> I can do daytime during the week to
[10:59] <head_victim> Ok cool. Well if anything does eventuate I'll try to aim for probably a friday if possible, seems to suit us all as long as I don't have a shift on
[11:00] <caryb> I need to by a new Ubuntu polo shirt
[11:01] <caryb> would almost be better to get them made locally
[11:01] <head_victim> I think I would prefer one of the new branded ones as well
[11:05] <head_victim> It would be 30 bucks each if we both got one and combined postage
[11:05] <head_victim> Not sure it's much cheaper
[11:05] <head_victim> It's about 32 just for the shirt and postage
[11:06] <sagaci> the meerkat ones?
[11:06] <head_victim> Nah the polo's, like what I'm wearing in the open day photos but with the new branding logo
[11:07] <sagaci> got a link handy?
[11:07] <head_victim> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=648
[11:08] <sagaci> ah right, i'd rather one of them than the meerkat shirts
[11:08] <head_victim> Yeah, they don't date as easily, unless they change the branding again (which they did 2 months after my other polo arrived)
[11:09] <sagaci> i just prefer the plain look
[11:19] <caryb> thats the shirt
[11:19] <caryb> I don't a shirt alligned to a release 
[11:20] <elky> I think the re-branding has been a much bigger thing than they expected, so I don't think it's something we'll see again for quite a while.
[11:20] <caryb>            ^ want
[11:22] <caryb> would be good to get one with the AU logo but that is not possible
[11:23] <elky> Sure it is. We're perfectly able to walk in to any embroidery and have it done.
[11:24] <caryb> do we get the official shirt & add our bit, or start from scratch elky?
[11:24] <head_victim> Is it acceptable to get the official ubuntu stuff embroidered as well?
[11:24] <caryb> great minds think alike.... Lol
[11:25] <head_victim> Haha, rivers have polo shirts for 4 bucks each atm..............
[11:25] <elky> So long as you're not using the logo for commercial purposes, you're entitled to get the official ubuntu logo too.
[11:25] <head_victim> Ah well, we should drum up an order on the list.
[11:25] <elky> Take in the shirt and plonk down two pdf files. I want that on that sleeve, and this on the other. Thanks!
[11:26] <sagaci> rankings on the shoulders
[11:26] <sagaci> ubuntu sergeant, ubuntu corporal
[11:26] <sagaci> no, not really
[11:27] <elky> head_victim, i'd be careful with that to be honest. It's not a cheap venture to get them done.
[11:27] <head_victim> elky: I was just think we could order what people pay for.
[11:28] <elky> yes, but this will involve taking money up front and hoping the people who paid have a reasonable concept of patience.
[11:28] <sagaci> get some decent fabric, i don't want it crapping up within a few washes
[11:28] <sagaci> 30-40 a shirt?
[11:28] <sagaci> probably easier to go via the official merch store, if enough people ordered
[11:28] <caryb> I myself prefer to buy through Canonical so they make some profit
[11:28] <elky> head_victim, using something like one of the online stores would be better.
[11:29] <elky> sagaci, you'll struggle to get them to make special things for you.
[11:29] <caryb> I have a vested interest in keeping them viable
[11:29] <sagaci> blahdeblah, shirt order from Canonical, viable?
[11:29] <elky> sagaci, you're talking polos, more than that for two pieces of embroidery on a small-run (less than hundreds)
[11:30] <sagaci> like little circle of friends logo, yeah
[11:30] <elky> sagaci, well these guys were talking about having the ubuntu-au dot-art logo too.
[11:30] <sagaci> ahh
[11:30] <sagaci> drives effort and price up
[11:31] <caryb> if someone is getting AU polo I'm interested
[11:31] <sagaci> just stick a business card on the pocket
[11:31] <sagaci> i'd prefer polo from ubuntu store
[11:32] <elky> head_victim, caryb there's also places like zazzle.com.au which can do stuff and post it for nil profit to yourself
[11:33] <elky> hence fitting the trademark guidelines
[11:33] <head_victim> I'm shooting an email to some people to see if it is viable.
[11:34] <sagaci> -au shirts?
[11:36] <caryb> Polos starting at:
[11:36] <caryb> $47.45
[11:37] <caryb> @ zazzle.com.au would be cheaper to get the Ubuntu one & add our logo
[11:37] <head_victim> I'll let you know what ballpark figure they come back with for 2 logos and supplying the shirt
[11:38] <blahdeblah> sagaci: I'm 0 for 1 with orders from the Canonical store, so asking me whether it's viable is probably not the best idea... ;-)
[11:38] <head_victim> Won't know until we ask I guess. If it's $50 I'm probably going to just buy a 30 dollar shirt from canonical and leave it at that
[11:39] <elky> geez, zazzle is not the way to go for embroidery. they insist on "converting" it. So the simple circle of friends logo will cost $66 to set up.
[11:39] <sagaci> rip off
[11:39] <elky> well i can see their logic, but yeah.
[11:40] <head_victim> Yeah to do it right isn't cheap
[11:40] <sagaci> i'll get two shirts from the canonical store
[11:40] <elky> head_victim, depends *how* really
[11:40] <head_victim> But I've emailed a local embroidery store and will see if it's worth persuing.
[11:40] <elky> head_victim, promo places are also an option.
[11:40] <head_victim> My wife suggested them (it's who they refer people to, she works at a quilting store)
[11:43] <head_victim> http://www.mtgravatt.embroidme.com.au/
[11:52] <elky> head_victim, http://www.printapromo.com.au/uniforms-and-clothing/custom-polo-shirts/mens-unisex seems to have sensible minimums
[11:52] <head_victim> Ah yeah the embroid me don't have a minimum numbe rjust no idea about pricing
[11:52] <head_victim> You can order just one if you want
[11:53] <elky> yeah, but if that one is $70, then they can go jump :P
[11:54] <head_victim> Yep but you have to email for a quote, I gave an indication of 10 - 20 shirts
[11:54] <head_victim> ANd they're just up the road so organising it is easy :P
[11:58] <head_victim> They look like they use the same tshirt suppliers though. Gives us a good idea how much we should be looking at though
[12:05] <sagaci> are you hell-bent on getting -au shirts?
[12:05] <elky> head_victim, or how much they'll be ripping you off :P
[12:05] <elky> sagaci, yeah
[12:06] <head_victim> sagaci: not "hell-bent" but if I'm going to be buying a shirt anyway and it won't cost much more for an -AU one then why not is my theory
[12:06] <elky> I'm sure it'll be fine though, and local would be better than having to pay postage twice.
[12:06] <sagaci> yep
[12:06] <sagaci> i'd like to know the final design would look like
[12:07] <sagaci> but hard unless a prototype is made
[12:07] <head_victim> Well yeah that will be the next fig... I mean decision ;)
[12:08] <head_victim> I figure whoever organises it is probably most likely the one taking the final call on it as they'll be putting in the work
[20:04] <Fudge> good morning