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[02:45] <aroman> hey guys, I'm trying to remaster an Ubuntu ISO, and I'm getting this error running my remaster script: cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab. i'm convinced that's what's causing me to drop to Busybox when I try and boot the remastered ISO Am I wrong?
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[03:23] <gaurav_pawaskar> Hi All, This is Gaurav, I am new to Ubuntu and want to do development towards Ubuntu. I am in search of mentor for my initial stage in Ubuntu. Any one available to Mentor me?
[03:25] <persia> gaurav_pawaskar, If nobody offers, you might start by trying to fix some bugs or helping coordinate submitted patches.  Questions about the process asked generally here tend to be answered (although not always by the same person).
[03:33] <gaurav_pawaskar> persia, yes actually I am not aware of coding process. any initial help will surely help me.
[03:35] <persia> gaurav_pawaskar, There's lots of ways to do it.  The general overview seems to be something like: identify thing to fix, grab source for thing to fix, fix, build locally and test, upload (initially through a sponsor).
[03:37] <persia> So the first thing to do is usually try to identify something that ought to be changed, where you understand the problem.
[03:39] <gaurav_pawaskar> okey, I also want to know from where you get code. and also few debugging tips or tools if any available
[03:41] <persia> The two most common ways to get the code are 1) `apt-get source ${PACKAGE}` and 2) `bzr branch lp:ubuntu/${PACKAGE}`
[03:45] <persia> For debugging: it depends far too much on the specific problem.  You could spend a long time learning about strace and ptrace and gdb and similar, but you may do just as well to dive into something, and learn the tools as you need to use them.
[03:49] <gaurav_pawaskar> ok..sure.. can I find some person from this team to assist him with development or a point of contact to me. so that i can ask him some frequent doubts.
[03:51] <persia> Yes, some folk act as mentors: someone may still respond to your query above.
[03:52] <persia> But until someone does, feel free to just ask questions here (or, if you end up working in some specific area of ubuntu, the appropriate channel).
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[04:00] <gaurav_pawaskar> yes sure..thnx alot.. persia..
[04:12] <ohsix> agh, synaptic doesn't heed preferences.d? just got a pile of natty packages installed from some auto action
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[07:12] <kostmo> What is the name of the "Sound Preferences" app so I can play with the code?
[07:13] <micahg> kostmo: xprop | grep CLASS <-- then click on the pref window
[07:15] <kostmo> gnome-volume-control
[07:15] <kostmo> awesome, thanks
[07:16] <kostmo> I'm going to try to implement this brainstorm idea: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/23754/
[07:17] <kostmo> using this applet: http://code.google.com/p/gnome-pulse-applet/
[07:20] <kostmo> turns out I needed to "apt-get source gnome-media"
[09:37] <newage15> anyone tried Natty daily 20110210?
[10:39] <hyperair> ohsix: it doesn't, unfortunately. i think there's a bug filed on that
[10:39] <hyperair> same goes for aptitude
[10:40] <hyperair> no wait, i thought synaptic read preferences.d, but not aptitue
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[12:11] <e01> is it possible to using the NVidia driver from the nvidia`s site in natty?
[12:12] <e01> because when i just installed the nvidia-current, i see that the aptitude remove the xorg, when i was try to build it manually, the X just won`t start, i see that something wrong with the abi, but don`t know what exactly is
[12:14] <ari-tczew> e01: compile it?
[12:14] <persia> That's tricky, as the source isn't available.
[12:14] <e01> :D
[12:15] <e01> yes but, when you installing it, the installer show message something like "building the driver" :)
[12:15] <persia> e01, The Application Binary Interface doesn't match: nVidia needs to recompile it.
[12:15] <persia> Anyway, #ubuntu+1 is a better channel to ask that sort of question
[12:16] <ari-tczew> e01: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates there are some testing packages (unstable)
[12:18] <e01> ari-tczew, will test thsi
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[14:05] <gaurav_pawaskar1> hi Guys. Can anyone help me finding my first bug to fix?
[14:08] <vish> gaurav_pawaskar1: what do you mean "finding"?  you fixed a bug and are now looking for the bug # ?
[14:08] <vish> err, nevermind
[14:08] <gaurav_pawaskar1> I am looking for a bug then fix it.
[14:08] <vish> i read that whole thing wrong.. :)
[14:09] <gaurav_pawaskar1> I am new here and need some help initially :)
[14:09]  * vish skipped over the "to" and read as  "first bug fix" 
[14:10] <gaurav_pawaskar1> ok :)
[14:11] <vish> gaurav_pawaskar1: you can start with Unity bitesize bugs or papercuts, both of which are easier
[14:12] <gaurav_pawaskar1> vish: Do you have any link where can I see them?
[14:14] <vish> gaurav_pawaskar1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut and https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED |  Bitesize : http://goo.gl/i1WA1 and http://goo.gl/tiheb
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[15:05] <kirkland> when did Ubuntu switch the default to grub2?
[15:05] <charlie-tca> 9.10 or 10.04?
[15:05] <hallyn> good q - i had thought lucid, not karmic, but might be wrong
[15:06] <hallyn> kirkland: as i assume i know what you're talking about with whom, the other relevant bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/717445
[15:06] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 717445 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub2 in lucid doesn't work in qemu with '-vga std'" [Undecided,New]
[15:07] <kirkland> hallyn: howdy
[15:07]  * hallyn back in a minute - assuming reboot works
[15:07] <kirkland> hallyn: yup, all 3 of us are online
[15:08] <kirkland> hallyn: charlie-tca: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-June/000573.html
[15:08] <kirkland> looks like karmic
[15:08] <arand> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 says 9.10 as well
[15:18] <kirkland> hallyn: you back?
[15:42] <hallyn> kirkland: briefly
[15:42] <hallyn> kirkland: ad-hoc wireless support kicking my butt :)
[15:43] <kirkland> hallyn: :-(
[15:45] <hallyn> kirkland: the grub2 src has changed so much for natty, i'm not sure how to approach the vga std thing
[15:45] <hallyn> was hoping cjwatson will have tricks to share next week
[15:45] <hallyn> though i suppose i'll resort to printf debugging
[15:46] <kirkland> hallyn: okay;  aliguori and i are debugging right now
[15:46] <hallyn> did you have ideas?
[15:46] <hallyn> oh, cool
[15:46] <kirkland> hallyn: well, just wanted to get the reproduce case down to as simple as possible
[15:47] <kirkland> hallyn: so i'm going to create a base lucid desktop image that reproduces the problem
[15:47] <kirkland> hallyn: zip it up somewhere
[15:47] <cjwatson> hallyn: as I said a couple of days ago, I would recommend starting by executing commands from the configuration file one by one and seeing where it breaks
[15:47] <cjwatson> it's malloc arena corruption so the failure may be distant from the cause
[15:48] <cjwatson> see if it reproduces with a grub-mkrescue image
[15:48] <cjwatson> that's much smaller and much easier to work with
[15:48] <cjwatson> you might need to take a grub-mkrescue image and execute commands manually from the normal desktop grub.cfg
[15:48] <cjwatson> (grub-mkrescue from the appropriate release, of course)
[15:49] <hallyn> kirkland: ^ will try tonight if you havven't
[15:49] <kirkland> hallyn: cool
[15:49] <kirkland> hallyn: also, qemu-kvm 0.14-rc1 is out
[15:49] <kirkland> hallyn: came out Wednesday
[15:49] <kirkland> hallyn: need to get that merged for Natty
[15:51] <hallyn> kirkland: uscan will only recognize 0.14.0.  do you want me o manually merge the prerelease?
[15:51] <kirkland> hallyn: yeah
[15:51] <hallyn> ok
[15:51] <kirkland> hallyn: that's what i usually do
[15:51] <kirkland> hallyn: better to get the rc in, in case there's something
[15:51] <hallyn> cool, will do
[16:32] <kirkland> cjwatson: any chance you're still around?  aliguori is helping us with that grub2/qemu issue
[16:32] <kirkland> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/717445 fwiw
[16:32] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 717445 in grub2 (Ubuntu Karmic) "grub2 in lucid doesn't work in qemu with '-vga std'" [Medium,New]
[16:33] <kirkland> cjwatson: aliguori says, "Removing 'insmod gfxterm' and 'insmod vbe' let's the guest boot up."
[16:33] <aliguori> yeah, i don't know why video mode probing is failing
[16:34] <aliguori> i need to add some debug code to grub and start trying to see where things fail
[16:34] <aliguori> cjwatson, any hints to ease debugging?  doesn't look like there's much logging in grub2 in this path unfortunately
[17:10] <ohsix> hyperair: dang, aptitude only just got a patch for natty; maybe synaptic can be looked at too, i just did a reinstall and was trying to break my preferences apart but i guess i still have to wait :D
[17:10] <hyperair> hmm
[17:11] <hyperair> ohsix: you could have a cronjob that does cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/* > /etc/apt/preferences
[17:11] <hyperair> ;-)
[17:16] <ohsix> i'll just edit them in place, thankfully it's only a pin for firefox and aptitude so far; and i don't see having more than 8 or so ever
[17:17] <ohsix> looking at synaptic bugs,  it looks like it uses its own preferences file to do pinning/forbids too
[17:18] <ohsix> if they'd only put it in preferences.d and called it 99synaptic or something, it'd work all around D:
[17:21] <ohsix> heh the bug linked from launchpad is from 2004
[17:22] <ohsix> apparently before then it worked the other way, using global prefs; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=276655
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[19:11] <cjwatson> kirkland,aliguori: debugging video init is a right pain, I usually use grub_env_set to leave myself messages for when I can inspect them
[19:11] <cjwatson> kirkland,aliguori: but if you just find a way I can reproduce this with grub-mkrescue, I'll look at it tomorrow
[19:11] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: did you see my message on lilo merge bug?
[19:12] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: bugmail doesn't sound like a happy fun weekend activity
[19:15] <lifeless> cjwatson: the curse of the working man
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[20:23] <jo-erlend> I thought perhaps someone here would know what to do with this. http://packages.ubuntu.com/ has links to older releases, but it doesn't look like it's possible to actually browse those releases.
[20:23] <jo-erlend> in this case, I was wondering which version of libboost-dev was included in jaunty, but I couldn't find it. If anyone knows, or knows an easy way to find it, I'd appreciate it. But the packages-site should be fixed.
[20:26] <jo-erlend> in other words: jaunty should've been removed, but it still has a link to browse the list of packages, and it's still in the distribution drop-down list for searches.
[20:54] <cannonfodder> hey you guys...i just got high right now and my adhd got out of the way and now i feel like becoming an active developer lol. i just want to know whats a good way to learn about a program? how do you guys do it?
[20:54] <cannonfodder> do you download source files of a program you want to work with?
[20:54] <cannonfodder> and do they come with readme's?
[20:55] <cannonfodder> or some form of documentation or information?
[20:56] <cannonfodder> do the files come in a certain directory structure with a main index file i can open in my editor and dive right into?
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[21:01] <cjwatson> jo-erlend: find the source package name, then go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/SOURCEPACKAGENAME/+publishinghistory
[21:02] <cjwatson> cannonfodder: varies, the most important skill is adaptability
[21:34] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-1.0/+bug/714280
[21:34] <dupondje> this seems a crap bug :(
[21:34] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 714280 in clutter-1.0 (Ubuntu) "The error was 'BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length erro'." [High,Confirmed]
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> in gtk file, whats echo ?
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> just echo?
[23:47] <broder> bcurtiswx: huh? what do you mean by a "gtk file"?
[23:47] <bcurtiswx> sorry, its a .c file
[23:47] <bcurtiswx> so nvm
[23:47] <bcurtiswx> printf