[09:27] <YoBoY> good morning
[11:56] <Ronnie> ping cjohnston
[11:56] <Pendulum> Ronnie: I think he's on holiday so he might not be around
[11:57] <Ronnie> thx Pendulum, you have a good memory.
[12:20] <asorcales> hi sir
[12:20] <Ronnie> hi asorcales
[12:22] <asorcales> i installed my new ubuntu desktop now and i try to join here in this group
[15:11] <mhall119> czajkowski: for shame
[15:13] <Ronnie> mhall119: is it OK to have some HTML tags in the translation strings?
[15:14] <Ronnie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/718064
[15:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 718064 in loco-directory "Problem translating a text containing a dynamic bind (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:36] <mhall119> Ronnie: we try to avoid it
[15:37] <mhall119> we don't want to make the translaters responsible for properly formatted HTML
[16:06] <Ronnie> mhall119: and in the case of the example above?
[16:13] <cjohnston> hey Ronnie 
[16:15] <mhall119> Ronnie: in that case I think we should re-word things to put the link at the end of the text
[16:15] <Ronnie> hey cjohnston, my question is about the translation,
[16:16] <Ronnie> bu i have to eat now
[19:29] <cjohnston> YoBoY: I'm going to say wontfix on the announcement as well. How to participate: the channel is listed, agenda, again: listed, where to talk about the meeting items and agenda.. seems that the default would be the team channel or the team ML, where to find docs and such, can be placed in the descriptions for agenda items
[19:31] <YoBoY> cjohnston: you always are considering a LoCo Team is 1 channel and 1 mailing list, that's not always that, we are far away from that description.
[19:32] <cjohnston> The majority of teams are one channel and one ML.. because they are ONE team.
[19:32] <cjohnston> We cant make everything to support the minority of the teams
[19:32] <cjohnston> (minority being one or two
[19:32] <cjohnston> )
[19:32] <cjohnston> maybe you guys should work on centralizing stuff
[19:33] <YoBoY> centralizing stuff ?
[19:33] <YoBoY> on #ubuntu-fr we have currently 230 people connected, how we can make support/chat/event organisation/... on a big chan like that for example
[19:33] <cjohnston> making one source of information
[19:34] <YoBoY> it's the same for the mailing lists
[19:34] <cjohnston> IMO you should have an "official team channel" and then a support channel and a whatever else channel... Event organization can take place in the team channel
[19:34] <YoBoY> why the english users don't use just #ubuntu chan and just one mailing list ?
[19:35] <cjohnston> English support is supplied by any/all english speaking loco teams.. 
[19:35] <cjohnston> and then each loco team has their loco channels
[19:36] <cjohnston> the support should be provided by the french community, not the french loco team
[19:36] <YoBoY> it's the same for the french chans, #ubuntu-qc provide support to for example, but like the english official chan, our team/french chan is the best to have support (more people)
[19:36] <cjohnston> ok
[19:37] <YoBoY> so we had to open other chans, an -offtopic for example
[19:37] <YoBoY> etc... 
[19:37] <cjohnston> ok
[19:37] <cjohnston> we have those in the EN communities as well
[19:38] <YoBoY> sometimes I think you don't understand we have to take in charge every aspect of the websites/support in french
[19:39] <cjohnston> Right... but that needs to be the french commuity.. not just one loco team
[19:39] <cjohnston> a loco team should be a "local community" 
[19:39] <cjohnston> ie. a country, city, state, province
[19:39] <YoBoY> yes, but there is always a leading team
[19:39] <cjohnston> not an entire culture
[19:39] <cjohnston> but they should still be seperate
[19:39] <YoBoY> you have canonical, the french community have ubuntu-fr ;)
[19:39] <cjohnston> i dont have anything canonical
[19:40] <cjohnston> canonical is a company
[19:40] <YoBoY> s/canonical/ubuntu fondation/whatever
[19:42] <cjohnston> All of the french teams can go to support the french "support areas"
[19:43] <YoBoY> they already are doing that
[19:43] <cjohnston> and yes, maybe one or two teams provide most of the support
[19:43] <cjohnston> but a LoCo Team should be a Local Community
[19:43] <cjohnston> ie, close together
[19:44] <YoBoY> for the local events I totaly agree, our events are in France
[19:44] <cjohnston> ireland is a team, new york state is a team, florida is a team... there isnt an EN team that encompases all people who speak english because they arent local
[19:44] <cjohnston> ok.. so then your LoCo team should be Ubuntu-France
[19:44] <YoBoY> ^^
[19:44] <YoBoY> too late
[19:44] <cjohnston> the ubuntu-fr team is a community team.. made up of all -fr related teams
[19:44] <cjohnston> well.. we cant help that, and cant write LD to support one team
[19:45] <YoBoY> I don't want that too
[19:45] <cjohnston> thats what you keep asking for
[19:46] <YoBoY> no, that's what you want to read :], adding comment it's not usefull just for me, it's for everyone
[19:46] <cjohnston> you want non-LP members to be able to use LD because LP isnt in french. you want non-team members to be able to make agenda items because the -fr team iirc only has "48 lp" members
[19:47] <YoBoY> like I said you don't want to understand :)
[19:47] <cjohnston> I cant wrap my head around the concept of how you guys oragnized your team.. yes.. you are correct.. so i am wrapping my head around the way that the majority of the teams that i have seen operate
[19:49] <YoBoY> a new user don't have necessary the skills to understand Launchpad, locoteam concept, irc, mailing lists, etc... My point of view is to keep it simple. The comments, like in blogs, it's a good feature if you let, like in blogs, everyone participate
[19:50] <cjohnston> That isn't the way that LD is setup
[19:50] <YoBoY> yes I know
[19:51] <cjohnston> That doesnt seem to be the way that the developers want to set it up.
[19:52]  * cjohnston thinks that the ubuntu-fr team should make a video tutorial of how to sign up for LP and then how to join ubuntu-fr
[19:52] <cjohnston> that walks you step by step
[19:52] <YoBoY> arg ^^
[19:53] <cjohnston> or work on translating LP.. the LP devs arent against it.. its just that there are only 24 hours in a day
[19:56] <Ronnie> cjohnston: should it be possible to not 'sync' the LP-team, but manage our own (info from LP + own member<->group combination). this will allow non-english to login on login.ubuntu.com and manage team membership witout logging into LP
[19:56] <Ronnie> mhall119:  ^
[19:57] <cjohnston> I think that would involve reworking the backend of LD
[19:57] <cjohnston> I like the idea that you were working on with allowing LD to interface with LP
[19:58] <YoBoY> cjohnston: just a last question, for you what's the purpose of the LD ?
[19:59] <cjohnston> centralizing LoCo team information, making event planning/tracking easier, and now making meeting planning and tracking easier
[19:59] <YoBoY> for who ?
[19:59] <Ronnie> cjohnston: the old idea i was working on, still needs LP (one to login and allow rights)
[19:59] <cjohnston> loco teams
[19:59] <Ronnie> we also have to be carefull with that
[19:59] <cjohnston> :-/ Ronnie 
[19:59] <cjohnston> spam?
[19:59] <cjohnston> or security
[19:59] <cjohnston> or both
[19:59] <Ronnie> security
[20:00] <cjohnston> that sucks
[20:00] <Ronnie> if LD is hacked, hackers can change info on LP for that users too
[20:00] <cjohnston> I wonder how hard it would be to get translations started for signing up to lp
[20:00] <YoBoY> it's here the différence between you and me, I think the LD is for every new user in priority not for the members of the locoteams ;)
[20:01] <cjohnston> LD doesnt really have much for new users
[20:01] <cjohnston> other than finding a team near you
[20:01] <cjohnston> what else do you want it to do
[20:01] <cjohnston> YoBoY: do you want to teach me spanish?
[20:01] <YoBoY> cjohnston: lol no, why ?
[20:01] <cjohnston> cause im in a spanish class
[20:02] <YoBoY> :D
[20:02] <Ronnie> i think that team participation is first priority
[20:02] <cjohnston> not that i wanted to learn french, but the wife wouldnt let me learn french
[20:02] <YoBoY> I don't speak spanish, but I can teach you portuguese ;)
[20:02] <Ronnie> others (mugshots etc) are minor issues
[20:02] <cjohnston> lol
[20:02] <Ronnie> maybe timezone?
[20:02] <cjohnston> I think that currently LD offers what it was desinged to offer
[20:03] <cjohnston> a couple things can maybe be improved on
[20:03] <cjohnston> and new features can be added 
[20:03] <cjohnston> but i think the majority of what the desire for it to do is now done
[20:06] <cjohnston> not that i ever get time, but ive started hanging out in the -es channels
[20:07] <YoBoY> I think LD should be the first entry point to the loco teams for the new users. If a new user go to ubuntu.com he found the Loco Directory, and have all the information on the team near him. He can starting with that, contact them, participate in one event, ask some question about the event (if he can comment on the event), participe more activily by attending to the meetings, ...
[20:07] <cjohnston> all that exists.. (except open comment on events)
[20:17] <Ronnie> i think the question is, how much do we want to be dependant of (a developer platform) for managing loco-teams
[20:18] <cjohnston> Ronnie: I think thats the easiest thing to do
[20:18] <cjohnston> if we try chaning it, its going to create a huge bunch of work for us
[20:18] <cjohnston> and i think alot of the people in the community will buck the change
[20:19] <cjohnston> i like how your LP page is kinda like your ubuntu resume
[20:19] <Ronnie> i dont know how many of the ubuntu users do not know english
[20:19] <cjohnston> including what teams your a member of
[20:19] <Ronnie> yes, but it still keep the security issues
[20:19] <cjohnston> hi locodir-user 
[20:23] <YoBoY> the only need on using launchpad, is to reuse its teams. I understand why we use it for all the "administrative" part of the loco directory, but we can also have a "user" part more open. There is a lot of sites using different access modes
[20:24] <cjohnston> but then we have to rewrite the whole thing to support accounts
[20:29] <YoBoY> not necessary, I like to compare to the comments on the blogs, you don't have to create an account to post, you only have to enter an ident, a mail and you message, or to log in using an openid (more secure) and you don't create an account just for that
[20:30] <cjohnston> but what would you use for a 'name' just an open id url?
[20:30] <cjohnston> i understand how it works on blogs, but this isnt a blog
[20:30] <cjohnston> and then what would i refer to you as? a url?
[20:34] <YoBoY> the openid connexion provide a name and an email, you need more ?
[20:35] <YoBoY> btw we are alreadyusing openid connexions ;)
[20:35] <cjohnston> right.. but only from one source
[20:35] <YoBoY> yes
[20:36] <cjohnston> using it from the one source makes a way to allow for users to contact each other
[20:39] <YoBoY> not really, the "one source" aspect we have here it's just to have the teams, the mugshots, and some other fields launchpad is sharing with an autorized site. To contact a user who have post a comment for example, it's just adding another comment (if we have mail subscription like in blogs ^^"), or if you are a loco team admin, we can have the privileges to see the emails of the posters
[20:43] <YoBoY> I wish I could do more, helping the devs, but I don't know python (yet), and I don't have enought time to do that also :]
[20:46] <cjohnston> I took a python class, but most of what ive learned ive learned by playing
[20:46] <cjohnston> I'm good at reading code
[20:46] <cjohnston> so i am able to replicate and modify to make it do what i want to do
[20:46] <cjohnston> I "wrote" the initial code for all the meeting stuff in one night
[20:46] <cjohnston> all i did was copied the event code, changed words, and changed a few other things
[20:47] <Ronnie> YoBoY: the login.ubuntu.com and login.launchpad.net does not provide email and full name, only username and team participation
[20:48] <YoBoY> great, I already started to learn python too, I can read the code also, but I don't have time to play with it ^^
[20:48] <daker> Ronnie, they do ツ
[20:48] <Ronnie> daker, not always
[20:49] <Ronnie> i though only to selective sites
[20:49] <YoBoY> Ronnie: I think there is restrictions if your site if not autorized but you can extend that, I don't remember where I read this...
[20:50] <daker> for wiki.u.c LP provides a fullname & email
[20:50] <Ronnie> but i thought the email was not send, i never saw LP send my email in an openid request
[20:50] <Ronnie> hmm
[20:50] <daker> if it's requested yes
[22:10] <cjohnston> akgraner: how far are you from Purlear?
[22:44] <cjohnston> nigelb: ping
[23:04] <mhall119> good evening everyone
[23:04] <mhall119> Ronnie: LP can provide your email address if you have it listed as public
[23:04] <Ronnie> ah, thats why it never sended my email 
[23:05] <mhall119> the wiki probably cheats and has access to all of LP's info, regardless
[23:05] <mhall119> YoBoY: cjohnston and I are running a session during the upcoming Ubuntu Developer Week about how to get started coding for LD, you should attend
[23:06] <YoBoY> hi mhall119 
[23:06] <cjohnston> mhall119: wanna look at that merge for summit?
[23:09] <mhall119> YoBoY: has there been any discussion about creating a France LoCo Team, separate from the French team?
[23:10] <cjohnston> +100
[23:15] <YoBoY> because we like more our french side than the "France" side. We can do more for Ubuntu staying the locoteam where all the francophone people can find help and ressources, than just planning events in France.
[23:19] <mhall119> cjohnston: how much of https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/710779/+merge/48087 is just whitespace?
[23:19] <mhall119> YoBoY: I'm not saying get rid of the French side
[23:19] <mhall119> just separate the language from the country teams
[23:20] <cjohnston> -If you have any problems with this app, please contact
[23:20] <cjohnston> 104	-<a href="mailto:scott@ubuntu.com">scott@ubuntu.com</a>.
[23:20] <cjohnston> changing that
[23:20] <mhall119> YoBoY: you can make ubuntu-france as a new team
[23:20] <cjohnston> and on one of the pages adding <article> around some text to match other pages
[23:20] <mhall119> you can even use the same #ubuntu-fr channel
[23:20] <mhall119> cjohnston: okay
[23:25] <YoBoY> I know we are a really different LoCo Team and won't fit in the boxes ^^ we don't want to change that just because you can't understand how we are working ^^
[23:26] <YoBoY> this is the same people in majority doing everything, we have no benefits artificialy separating the team