| kklimonda | hmm.. i'm slowly starting to loose my faith in the canonical ux team. First this: https://launchpad.net/ido and now they have removed the "Open a new window" from Unity launcher menu, because "you can open it using middle mouse click, just like tabs in browsers" | 01:19 |
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| kklimonda | actually, this part of ido: http://www.twitvid.com/GNUXF | 01:19 |
| FloridaGuy | witch is a better kernel for 10.10....2.5.37.rc2...or i have natty's 2.6.28.rc4 installed to | 01:48 |
| FloridaGuy | opps 2.6.38.rc4 | 01:49 |
| === cmagina-afk is now known as cmagina | ||
| Spirits-Sight | has issue been fix about Nvida display? | 05:03 |
| pietro10 | hm | 05:04 |
| pietro10 | when I go to try 11.04 alpha, it asks me to remove cmake. why? | 05:04 |
| pietro10 | (I'm using it for a project I help test) | 05:04 |
| pietro10 | (and will help actually write code for later) | 05:05 |
| === 52AAAG5O2 is now known as el2ro_ | ||
| eruditehermit | I tried the natty daily and it was horribly broken. Is that really the current state? | 08:07 |
| qzio | pretty much yeah. | 08:27 |
| qzio | it's been working for me ever since the first alpha, but 2-3 days ago something happened... | 08:28 |
| eruditehermit | qzio, unity crashes frequently? | 08:30 |
| eruditehermit | when opening most apps? | 08:30 |
| eruditehermit | gnome shell looks better visually than unity imho | 08:30 |
| qzio | yeah. i don't even use unity. it's completely UNUSABLE for a desktop. and gnome(classic) crashes all the time, I was forced to use awesome wm instead. | 08:33 |
| eruditehermit | great | 08:53 |
| kklimonda | it works fine here | 13:28 |
| kklimonda | and I use it for my desktop | 13:29 |
| kklimonda | so meh, it's obviously a matter of preference | 13:29 |
| kklimonda | but I'm still running old X, with binary nvidia drivers. | 13:29 |
| yodog | !ops | 13:45 |
| yodog | !ops | 13:46 |
| qzio | kklimonda: matter of preference? it crashes with the default packages/settings. | 14:53 |
| qzio | and since it's almost randomly, it's hard to submit bug reports. | 14:53 |
| qzio | using unity, it's a pita to get more then one terminals. | 14:54 |
| kklimonda | qzio: well, I use it, it doesn't crash for me (with default settings and packages) and I have no problem with opening new terminal windows (but this is indeed made harder than it should be) | 14:55 |
| kklimonda | I'm not saying that it's bug free, but I like it so far - when I tried using it in 10.10 it was both buggy and slow | 14:56 |
| kklimonda | now it's less buggy, and much faster :) | 14:57 |
| === zniavre__ is now known as zniavre | ||
| qzio | good for you :) I'm sure it'll be awesome when released | 15:01 |
| qzio | How do you spawn more then one terminal in unity btw? I must create a new tab and then seperate that into a seperate window. | 15:01 |
| kklimonda | qzio: either ctrl+shift+n in gnome-terminal, or middle click on any launcher icon to open a new window. | 15:03 |
| qzio | ah, middle click. that figures. :) | 15:04 |
| kklimonda | completely indiscoverable | 15:06 |
| charlie-tca | we have a list of some of the shortcuts that work at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/KeyboardShortcuts | 15:10 |
| charlie-tca | We are trying to get as many as we can added, so it becomes a one-stop page for them | 15:11 |
| kklimonda | charlie-tca: well, it's one thing to have a nifty keyboard, or keyboard+mouse combo to do stuff, and another thing to make this combo the only way of doing something. | 15:13 |
| kklimonda | "Open a new window" menu item has been removed from the context menu | 15:13 |
| charlie-tca | which is why we need help keeping those shortcuts up to date. | 15:14 |
| kklimonda | charlie-tca: I disagree - shortcuts should never be the only way of doing something (especially things as essential as opening new windows) | 15:15 |
| kklimonda | well, I agree that we need to keep the shortcuts page up to date | 15:15 |
| kklimonda | I disagree that it would be of any help in this case :) | 15:15 |
| charlie-tca | I don't remember ever saying they should be. But why can't we have something tells people what the shortcuts are that are useable? | 15:15 |
| kklimonda | right, my bad | 15:16 |
| charlie-tca | Note your own "completely undiscoverable" above? | 15:16 |
| gpc | is nvidia still broken? | 15:17 |
| bjsnider | yes it is | 15:17 |
| kklimonda | charlie-tca: my point is that if you need a cheat sheet to learn how to do basic things, then the ui is badly designed. | 15:17 |
| gpc | thanks bjsnider | 15:17 |
| gpc | I'll hold off on upgrading :) | 15:17 |
| charlie-tca | never said that wasn't true | 15:17 |
| charlie-tca | but to have to ask how to do something when it could be visible is also a bad thing | 15:18 |
| gpc | kklimonda: you and charlie-tca are arguing the same point here :) | 15:18 |
| kklimonda | yes, I've noticed ;) | 15:18 |
| gpc | I declare a tie | 15:18 |
| kklimonda | my bad - I should have phrase my point in a difrerent way. | 15:18 |
| charlie-tca | I just want to find those things easily. Sorry if I misunderstood you. | 15:19 |
| gpc | well until the UI is perfect (it will never be perfect) the shortcuts wiki is essential | 15:19 |
| charlie-tca | I agree with that, too | 15:20 |
| nemo | here's a fun bit of natty fail. my desktop was semi-locked up | 15:20 |
| charlie-tca | kklimonda: by the way, thanks for fixing that shortcut | 15:20 |
| nemo | couldn't switch to apps, couldn't click on much but applets, so clicked on log out | 15:20 |
| bjsnider | gpc, we're just waiting for nvidia to release a new blob | 15:20 |
| nemo | on logout, as it closed apps, I saw that somewhere behind all the other apps was a dialog requesting password for my gpg key | 15:21 |
| gpc | bjsnider: that is the main reason I am still/back on 10.10 | 15:21 |
| gpc | and haven't attempted to upgrade | 15:21 |
| nemo | oh well. not as bad as the unity plugin for compiz w/ its crashiness | 15:21 |
| Lynoure | It would be cool if gpodder got fixed so that it would work without the one gtk specific icon it crashes for not finding in KDE | 15:25 |
| Lynoure | Maybe that's something I should do... make blank icon in case of not found, or something | 15:25 |
| === Technovi1ing is now known as Technoviking | ||
| billybigrigger | BLZbubba, | 16:37 |
| BLZbubba | yo | 16:51 |
| bp0 | the ubuntu 11 alpha has mac style menu bar at the top that all apps share.. does that need a specially built copy of the application? | 17:52 |
| arand | I would guess not, since the window manager takes care of those things, not the application, at least I think so | 17:54 |
| bp0 | well some applications, like firefox don't use it | 17:56 |
| bp0 | they have the regular menu in the window | 17:56 |
| arand | True, but firefox has always been a bit off when it comes to integrating into the system... | 17:57 |
| bp0 | well thats what I mean, is there special work to be done for an app to integrate? | 17:58 |
| bp0 | as there is for gnome-shell | 17:58 |
| Daekdroom | bp0, GTK+ apps usually integrate well, qt apps are supported too, altho I don't know if it's not buggy. | 18:39 |
| Daekdroom | bp0, anything that doesn't use GTK+ to render (i.e. firefox, libreoffice) will need some special work. | 18:39 |
| Daekdroom | and I don't know why, synaptic doesn't integrate with appmenu, and transmission doesn't work well with it. Two exceptions, despite being GTK apps | 18:41 |
| Daekdroom | Can anyone take a look at bug #718926 and tell if it affects them? | 18:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 718926 in appmenu-gtk (Ubuntu) "Some apps don't integrate to appmenu after having their windows closed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718926 | 18:54 |
| bp0 | can the shared menubar be turned off? | 19:26 |
| bp0 | or back to normal | 19:26 |
| bp0 | weird that gimp goes to single windo finally only to have its menu removed ;) | 19:26 |
| bp0 | Daekdroom, are ubuntu packages of those apps going to have the special work done? | 19:28 |
| Daekdroom | bp0, probably, or additional packages that will provide such support | 19:29 |
| Daekdroom | bp0, the shared menubar can be turned off if you use Classic Desktop, but not in Unity. | 19:29 |
| bp0 | does unity handle, or use, the gnome3 action menu stuff? | 19:30 |
| bp0 | well alright | 19:30 |
| Daekdroom | bp0, regarding the last question about gnome 3 action menu, I have no clue. | 19:31 |
| bp0 | alright | 19:31 |
| BUGabundo | evening | 19:46 |
| bp0 | Daekdroom, I can't get get alpha 2 to install, but.. i cant replicate your bug | 19:47 |
| bp0 | transmission menu is always put back on top | 19:47 |
| bp0 | in the live cd | 19:48 |
| bp0 | oh wait, yeah i see it now | 19:49 |
| Daekdroom | bp0, thank you for answering | 20:00 |
| zonkers | will gnome 2.32 be available for 11.04? | 20:03 |
| Daekdroom | zonkers, you mean classic interface? (gnome-panel and nautilus) | 20:05 |
| zonkers | daekdroom, yeah | 20:13 |
| zonkers | not that I don't like unity but I need to keep the same interface to support mom, brother and others | 20:14 |
| NateWiebe | for some reason, the only icon themes available are gnome and the high contrast themes.. why? | 20:20 |
| NateWiebe | (the others are listed, but are not usable) | 20:20 |
| Daekdroom | zonkers, it is currently available, and I think it'll still be when it's released. | 20:21 |
| Daekdroom | zonkers, however, you'll have to manually edit the gnome panel for every user because it's different from 10.10's in order to look close (but not very similar) to unity | 20:22 |
| zonkers | daekdroom, ok thanks, I'll keep an eye out for it as I'm sure there will be tutorials for it. | 20:38 |
| hv | how can I change my default window manager? | 20:51 |
| BUGabundo | hv: in GDM | 20:52 |
| BUGabundo | in the bottom | 20:52 |
| hv | that is the session type | 20:52 |
| hv | it does not have window managers | 20:53 |
| hv | it just lets me pick between "classic desktop" and "desktop" | 20:53 |
| nemo | classic desktop then :) | 20:53 |
| BUGabundo | "classic" is GNOME | 20:53 |
| BUGabundo | while Desktop is Unity | 20:54 |
| zonkers | so classic is still available? | 20:54 |
| nemo | I'm back on classic/metacity personally | 20:54 |
| hv | ok, in a "classic desktop" session, how can I change the window manager to something other than compiz and metacity? | 20:54 |
| nemo | zonkers: thankfully | 20:54 |
| BUGabundo | im on classic | 20:54 |
| nemo | hv: foo --replace& ? | 20:54 |
| BUGabundo | compiz --replace | 20:55 |
| hv | nemo: I don't want to keep issueing that every time ;) | 20:55 |
| BUGabundo | or what he said | 20:55 |
| zonkers | nemo. i can't use a computer without classic, i gave up kde for it. | 20:55 |
| nemo | hv: put it in your startup apps then | 20:55 |
| BUGabundo | it won't work | 20:55 |
| BUGabundo | at least doesn't for me | 20:55 |
| nemo | zonkers: eh. I had an open mind about unity, it was just too irritating to use | 20:55 |
| BUGabundo | fails to start | 20:55 |
| BUGabundo | plus Compiz effects are all buggy | 20:55 |
| hv | nemo: It will work, but it is not a good way. | 20:55 |
| BUGabundo | I lunch it when I *really* need it | 20:55 |
| hv | there used to be the gconf key /desktop/gnome/session/required_components | 20:56 |
| hv | but it seems deprecated | 20:56 |
| nemo | zonkers: also unity manages to take up *more* space than my nicely customised classic :) | 20:56 |
| nemo | zonkers: besides the crashing and misplaced windows and such | 20:57 |
| * hv hates compiz 0.9 compiz 0.8 was ok | 20:57 | |
| hv | and I cannot touch compiz 0.9 anymore. they rewrote it in C++. wtf! | 20:58 |
| nemo | hv: hm. that section seems to have a key called windowmanager | 20:58 |
| nemo | that is set to gnome-wm | 20:58 |
| nemo | which appears to be a script | 20:58 |
| nemo | hv: you could probably just replace that script with metacity or whatever | 20:58 |
| nemo | looks like the script checks some old gconf values... | 20:58 |
| nemo | hv: also looks like it accepts an env var called WINDOW_MANAGER | 20:59 |
| hv | nemo: gnome-wm is a desktop file (/usr/share/applications/gnome-wm.desktop), which launches the gnome-wm executable. | 20:59 |
| nemo | so you could set that instead of changing in gconf | 20:59 |
| nemo | hv: /usr/bin/gnome-wm | 20:59 |
| nemo | is what I'm reading | 20:59 |
| nemo | I assume the key /gnome/session/required-components/windowmanager = gnome-wm is invoking that... | 20:59 |
| hv | yes. the value for the key has to be a desktop file | 21:00 |
| nemo | ah. | 21:00 |
| nemo | hv: sooo, why not just set this env var. that seems clean-ish | 21:00 |
| hv | on further investigation /usr/bin/gnome-wm seems interesting ... /me reads it ... | 21:00 |
| nemo | hv: yeah var is mentioned right at top in comments | 21:01 |
| nemo | as is a gconf key. heh. | 21:01 |
| hv | oh, yeah. the comment at the top nails it. | 21:01 |
| hv | sorry! | 21:01 |
| nemo | I'd be inclined to use this except compiz is fairly usable now that I went into ccsm and disabled Unity and set "none" to windows to use shadows on | 21:02 |
| nemo | sooo, guess I'll leave my default WM as compiz | 21:02 |
| hv | aah, shadows behave VERY strange. | 21:02 |
| hv | they take up space, affect window placements, etc. | 21:03 |
| * hv wishes compiz behaves like openbox some day. | 21:03 | |
| nemo | hv: aaaand, they lagged my windows horribly | 21:07 |
| nemo | hv: compiz without them is not quite as snappy as metacity, but at least usable | 21:07 |
| nemo | I'm willing to put up with a slight perf drop to get my guassian blur on translucent windows :) | 21:07 |
| nemo | gaussian even | 21:07 |
| * hv never liked the aero translucent window effect. | 21:09 | |
| hv | I often switch between openbox and compiz. openbox has some very useful actions (like select the window to left of current one), that I terribly miss in compiz/metcity/mutter/etc., especially when there are tons of terminals on my desktop. | 21:12 |
| hv | (I miss the cosmetics, translucent terminals, Super+A, and Super+E in openbox) | 21:14 |
| nemo | hv: I like to have translucent terminals, is just fun to see the desktop through them | 21:17 |
| nemo | and sometimes there's stuff going on behind 'em that matters | 21:17 |
| nemo | hv: but without a gaussian blur, it distracts from the text too much | 21:18 |
| nemo | obviously it still distracts unless the opacity is reasonably low | 21:18 |
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