[01:36] <micahg> hi robert_ancell, do you still think we'll be able to get a release version of webkit before beta?
[01:36] <robert_ancell> micahg, afaik
[01:37] <micahg> robert_ancell: cool :)
[01:55] <TheMuso> With the new ubuntuone control panel, how is one supposed to sync contacts from Ubuntu one?
[01:56] <TheMuso> Or have I msised something...
[07:09] <pitti> Good morning
[07:15] <TheMuso> pitti: Do you happen to use ubuntuone for contacts syncing? if so, are things broken for you in natty atm?
[07:23] <pitti> TheMuso: admittedly I've never tried it; I just have one computer, and my mobile syncs over google
[07:34] <TheMuso> ok fair enough.
[07:43] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:44] <didrocks> good morning
[07:45] <pitti> vish: I guess we should start naming our wallpaper packages after releases, so that the previous one remains installed on upgrades?
[08:11] <fta2> $ dconf-editor
[08:11] <fta2> dconf-editor: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-3.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:25] <fta2> dpm, hi, fyi: http://ftagada.wordpress.com/2011/02/12/chromium-browser-survey/
[08:28] <dpm> morning fta2
[08:33] <dpm> fta2, it seems there are quite a lot of English-speaking participants in the survey :)
[08:34] <Sweetshark> moring
[08:34] <pitti> hey Sweetshark
[08:35] <didrocks> morning Sweetshark
[08:35] <Sweetshark> doh, let me come in again: Good morning (now with two n at the right places)!
[08:35] <pitti> lol
[08:35] <pitti> 'n's are so overrated
[08:58] <chrisccoulson> good morning didrocks, pitti, Sweetshark, dpm and fta2
[08:58] <chrisccoulson> and everyone else too ;)
[08:58] <dpm> heya chrisccoulson
[08:58] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson, how was your week-end?
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, good thanks. We just went to visit some family on saturday. how was yours?
[09:00] <didrocks> chrisccoulson:  excellent! my week-end was buying-more-furnitures-and-drill-the-wall and setup my server @home
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> nice!
[09:01] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[09:01] <seb128> hey didrocks chrisccoulson
[09:01] <didrocks> hey seb128
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i haven't had an invisible window all weekend btw ;)
[09:03]  * chrisccoulson is happy :)
[09:03] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: excellent!
[09:03] <didrocks> so, seems the latest patch works then :)
[09:04] <chrisccoulson> yeah, seems too. before the latest update, it took me 3-4 goes just to open firefox
[09:04] <chrisccoulson> (the profile selector seemed to be a pretty reliable trigger)
[09:06] <didrocks> do you think people are using profiles really or it's more a testing thing?
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i don't think anybody really uses it, but i use it because i have a profile with development tools installed
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> i don't want those in my main profile, and i also want a profile i can break ;)
[09:08] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: heh, right, like developer <-> user mode :)
[09:17] <vish> pitti: ubuntu-wallpaper-$RELEASE sounds neat!   should we change the ubuntu-desktop depends soonish(we could just duplicate the previous release wallpapers at the beginning of each cycle) or wait for the wallpapers to be ready?
[09:17] <fta2> dpm, if you want to spread it to get a more representative panel, feel free :)
[09:17] <fta2> chrisccoulson, hi
[09:18] <vish> pitti: it also solves the issue of folks requesting that the previous release wallpapers be uploaded to the repo..
[09:18] <fta2> didrocks, seb128: shouldn't d-conf be rebuilt or something?
[09:18] <pitti> vish: I think we can rename the binary once we actually replace wallpapers; it's an easy operation without risk
[09:18] <vish> k.. cool! :)
[09:19] <vish> iirc, kenvandine usually does the wallpaper uploads each cycle, maybe we can assign the bug to him?
[09:19] <pitti> sounds goood
[09:19] <didrocks> update-manager will propose to remove it at the end of the upgrade, maybe we can special-case this?
[09:21] <vish> didrocks: so we need an update-manager task too?
[09:22] <pitti> should be easy to do
[09:22] <didrocks> vish: well, just a though, but it can be a nice thing to add (not to clean this kind of package), mvo? what do you think?
[09:22] <didrocks> yeah, can a nice papercut :)
[09:23] <mvo> sure, trivial to add cleanup for this
[09:23] <mvo> or avoid it
[09:23] <didrocks> yeah, avoid it rather :p
[09:23] <didrocks> vish: so, please, add a u-m task too ;)
[09:23] <didrocks> hey mvo btw!
[09:23] <seb128> fta2, rebuilt for what?
[09:23] <mvo> good morning didrocks
[09:23] <vish> cool! ..
[09:23] <mvo> and vish and seb128 and pitti :)
[09:24] <seb128> hey mvo!
[09:24] <seb128> how are you?
[09:24] <pitti> hey seb128
[09:24] <mvo> and fta2!
[09:24] <vish> mvo: hi.. :)
[09:24] <vish> btw, its Bug #625357 :)
[09:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625357 in ubuntu-wallpapers "Previous custom ubuntu-wallpaper disappears after an Ubuntu upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625357
[09:24] <fta2> seb128, dconf-editor: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-3.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:24] <fta2> seb128, libgtk-3.0.so.0 vs libgtk-3.so.0
[09:24] <didrocks> vish: excellent, thanks!
[09:24] <mvo> seb128: I'm good, thanks! how are you?
[09:25] <seb128> fta2, oh, likely yes then
[09:25] <seb128> mvo, I'm fine thanks
[09:25] <mvo> just a bit sleepy, but its monday morning ;)
[09:25] <seb128> pitti, you would add years of wallpapers if you upgrade every cycle though
[09:25] <seb128> pitti, just reading your comment on that bug
[09:26] <seb128> g-c-c in GNOME3 will copy the image if it's not in the user dir
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> has anybody here ever used chromebug before?
[09:26] <seb128> which solves that issue in a better way that trying to keep all the old packages installed
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: ah, nice; so we would only need to do that for natty then?
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, natty, maverick, lucid
[09:27] <pitti> seb128: we won't retroactively change it in maverick/lucid
[09:27] <pitti> and natty+1 will hopefully get gnome3
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, well I wouldn't not bother, it's nothing of a new issue, it's there for years
[09:27] <seb128> having 2 sets of wallpaper also sort of clutter the dialog
[09:28] <seb128> where the goal is to have a nice selected set
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: I guess if someone really wants to see that, we would gladly accept a backport of the gcc 3 patch :)
[09:29] <seb128> indeed
[09:29] <seb128> note that with the gnome-desktop background caching it might even work if the file is cleaned
[09:29] <seb128> the cache should stay in the user dir if you don't select a new background
[09:44] <didrocks> yeah, it's been done like that for that purpose :)
[09:52] <kklimonda> seb128: hey
[09:52] <seb128> kklimonda, hello
[09:53] <kklimonda> seb128: I did prepare gtkmm (and pangomm) updates but, as I just remembered, I've forgotten to subscribe ubuntu-sponsors :)
[09:54] <seb128> kklimonda, ok great, I will sponsor it today
[09:59] <rodrigo_> morning
[10:02] <kklimonda> hey
[10:04] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[10:04] <fta2> compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in Launcher::EventLogic(): http://paste.ubuntu.com/566902/  known?
[10:04] <duanedesign> hello rodrigo_
[10:06] <duanedesign> .17
[10:06] <duanedesign> ugh
[10:06] <kklimonda> o/ duanedesign
[10:10] <duanedesign> hey kklimonda
[10:10] <duanedesign> :) good to read you
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i'm pretty concerned about swt-gtk now. i tried porting it to xulrunner-2.0 on friday, but it's going to take quite a substantial amount of work
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> which i don't think is worth it ;)
[10:10] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, did Daviey mention anything about dropping it?
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> but, that means we end up with both versions in main :(
[10:11] <Daviey> o/
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> pitti - no, he didn't mention anything about dropping it
[10:11] <pitti> chrisccoulson: indeed, it'd be a shame to waste so much work on it
[10:11] <pitti> hey Daviey, how are you?
[10:11] <Daviey> I need to speak to upstream Eucalyptus, but they won't be avaliable until later today.
[10:11] <Daviey> curses weekends.
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> Daviey, cool, thanks :)
[10:11] <pitti> weekends are good!
[10:11] <Daviey> pitti, It's Monday... :)  Hope you are well.
[10:12] <pitti> Daviey: I'm great, thanks! how are you?
[10:12] <Daviey> pitti, good, or nearly there.. :)
[10:21] <seb128> fta2, not sure, it seems not
[10:22] <seb128> fta2, send it if you can, the retracer will mark it duplicate if it finds a matching one
[10:24] <fta2> seb128, sure, i will (i asked because it's 180MB)
[10:24] <fta2> 190MB
[10:24] <seb128> k
[10:31] <fta2> bug 718648
[10:31] <ubot2> fta2: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/718648)
[10:31] <fta2> doh!
[10:32] <seb128> fta2, you need to wait for retracing to have it accessible to others
[10:33] <fta2> i meant, doh for the bot, it should say "private", not clash
[10:34] <seb128> right
[10:46] <seb128> didrocks, bug #660984
[10:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 660984 in gnome-utils "Disk Usage Analyzer missing from applications place" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660984
[10:46] <seb128> didrocks, why did you reopen the gnome-utils part of the bug?
[10:47] <didrocks> Changed in gnome-utils (Ubuntu):
[10:47] <didrocks> importance: Low → Medium
[10:47] <didrocks> status: Invalid → Confirmed
[10:47] <didrocks> by Omer Akram
[10:47] <seb128> ups
[10:47] <seb128> closing it again then
[10:48] <seb128> didrocks, should if be assigned to unity-places-files?
[10:48] <didrocks> seb128: unity-place-applications rather
[10:49] <seb128> ups, right
[10:49] <seb128> didrocks, btw you have a "debian-changes-0.5.36-0ubuntu3" in unity-place-files
[10:49] <seb128> not sure that's wanted
[10:49] <seb128> debian-changes-0.2.32-0ubuntu1 in unity-place-applications
[10:50] <seb128> it just has the pot file
[10:50] <seb128> well the applications one has, the files one has some diff in the makefiles as well
[10:51] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, there is a binary for now IIRC
[10:51] <didrocks> (cherry-picked from trunk)
[10:51] <didrocks> will be removed with next release
[10:51] <didrocks> in any case, I'll deal with that in next release, thanks :)
[10:52] <seb128> didrocks, yw
[10:52] <seb128> I tend to assume that things which are not renamed to have a proper name are autogenerated patch errors ;-)
[10:52] <didrocks> well, source3 and bzr merge-upstream fun :-)
[11:08] <dpm> pitti, it seems that in the lucid-proposed langpacks not only the ca translations were not included in Firefox, but neither zh_CN and zh_TW were. Is there any log where we could find out what happened?
[11:13] <pitti> hey dpm; looking
[11:14] <pitti> dpm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/566918/
[11:15] <pitti> dpm: I bet it's because it doesn't know about the zh-hans/zh-hant split
[11:16] <pitti> dpm: hm, but I don't see any zh special case in the old po2xpi either; did the previous langpacks have firefox translations?
[11:16] <dpm> pitti, weird, the split happened quite a while ago. Yeah, they had
[11:17] <dpm> strange that the 'ca' translations are not on that list with errors as well
[11:18] <pitti> Installing XPI tarball ca.tar.gz into ../lucid-proposed//sources-base/language-pack-ca-base/data/mozilla.tar.gz
[11:18] <pitti> Installing XPI tarball ca@valencia.tar.gz into ../lucid-proposed//sources-base/language-pack-ca-base/data/mozil
[11:18] <pitti> la.tar.gz
[11:18] <pitti> dpm: did it have no translations at all, or just the @valencia variant?
[11:19] <dpm> there were no translations at all IIRC, but let me check on my lucid system to be sure...
[11:23] <pitti> didrocks: is it known that latest compiz or unity steal ctrl/alt key bindings?
[11:24] <pitti> smspillaz: ^
[11:24] <pitti> for example, in gtimelog or in mumble (push to talk is broken now)
[11:24] <didrocks> pitti: oh no, didn't know about that one
[11:24] <didrocks> pitti: can you reproduce in the classic session?
[11:24] <pitti> ok, filing then
[11:24] <pitti> didrocks: lemme check
[11:24] <dpm> pitti, it seems it did not have any translations -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/566923
[11:26] <pitti> didrocks: gnome+compiz seems to work fine; so it's unity?
[11:26] <pitti> dpm: ah, so it did have a tarball, but it was empty
[11:26] <didrocks> pitti: seems so then…
[11:26] <seb128> pitti, ctrl-alt-L works fine here
[11:26] <pitti> dpm: yay po2xpi
[11:26] <pitti> seb128: yes, they do work in most GNOME programs, like germinal or gedit
[11:26] <pitti> but not in mumble or gtimelog
[11:27] <seb128> weird
[11:27] <seb128> why would unity or compiz lead to a behaviour different between applications though?
[11:27] <pitti> I don't know
[11:27] <didrocks> apart from the alt -> showing the appmenu bar, I don't know
[11:27] <didrocks> if it was qt app, we could have told that the qt part was turned on
[11:27] <didrocks> but there is gtimelog…
[11:28] <dpm> pitti, perhaps po2xpi got confused with the @valencia variant and gave up?
[11:29] <seb128> didrocks, well classic session uses appmenu as well
[11:29] <didrocks> seb128: only if you add the indicator, which isn't added on upgrade, isn't it?
[11:29] <seb128> correct
[11:29] <seb128> pitti, does it work with appmenu in the classic session?
[11:30] <pitti> didrocks: it also affects ctrl+ stuff; I'll file
[11:30] <pitti> seb128: trying
[11:30] <pitti> (just had to reboot, second session killed my first)
[11:30] <seb128> pitti, is there a way to trigger the bug on a normal install?
[11:30] <didrocks> if it affects ctrl + something else… maybe not appmenu related
[11:31] <seb128> I could install gtimelog but later on when my pending updates are installed
[11:32] <pitti> argh, and now my test user starts unity for "classic desktop"
[11:33] <didrocks> pitti: did you change anything in ccsm?
[11:33] <didrocks> env | grep COMPIZ
[11:33] <pitti> seb128: confirmed
[11:33] <pitti> seb128: i. e. classic session with global menu breaks them
[11:33] <didrocks> ok, appmenu then
[11:34] <pitti> didrocks: filing against indicator-appmenu then?
[11:34] <seb128> talk to mterry when he's online later on
[11:34] <seb128> pitti, could be a duplicate, check open bugs first but yes
[11:34] <seb128> there is several bugs about appmenu breaking modifier keys
[11:34] <seb128> but they are not new so it's a bit weird you run into that now
[11:35] <pitti> bug 663030 is old and was unreproducible
[11:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663030 in indicator-appmenu "indicator-appmenu breaks Alt accelerator keys" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663030
[11:36] <pitti> mine is definitively new; I use those keys every day in gtimelog
[11:36] <pitti> and I had it on Friday the first time
[11:36] <seb128> what did you upgrade on friday?
[11:37] <pitti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/566927/ -- a lot :/
[11:37] <seb128> when did it start?
[11:37] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[11:37] <seb128> pitti, nothing with "indic" in the name though
[11:37] <seb128> like you didn't get the indicator-appmenu update which was after the european work hours
[11:38] <seb128> guess libdbusmenu is a candidate there though, you can try downgrading it
[11:38] <seb128> though the changelog doesn't seem to be doing anything close the those
[11:39] <pitti> could also have been on Saturday
[11:39] <pitti> I think I did an hour or two of work on Sat
[11:39] <seb128> that would include the appmenu update
[11:39] <seb128> but you said you had the issue on friday?
[11:39] <pitti> 2011-02-12 15:25:00 configure indicator-application 0.2.93-0ubuntu2 0.2.93-0ubuntu2
[11:39] <pitti> 2011-02-12 15:25:00 configure indicator-appmenu 0.1.94-0ubuntu1 0.1.94-0ubuntu1
[11:40] <seb128> there was no recent work on modifier code though
[11:40] <seb128> they mainly fixed refresh and parsing issues
[11:40] <pitti> filed as bug 718676 now
[11:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 718676 in indicator-appmenu "Breaks Alt and Control keybindings in some programs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718676
[11:40] <Amaranth> didrocks: oh, alt-f and such are supposed to work to access app menus?
[11:40] <seb128> check with mterry when he's online
[11:40]  * Amaranth should file a bug about that then
[11:41] <pitti> seb128: ok, will do; thanks
[11:41] <seb128> np
[11:41] <seb128> hum, time to get something to eat
[11:41] <seb128> bbl
[11:41] <didrocks> Amaranth: it should, and there are some work on getting pressing alt showing the menu as well
[11:42] <tkamppeter> pitti, I want to merge ghostscript 9.01 from Debian experimental.
[11:42] <Amaranth> didrocks: yeah, those don't work for me :)
[11:42] <tkamppeter> pitti, only problem is that they have removed the gs-esp transitional package. Do we still need it?
[11:42] <didrocks> Amaranth: I think you can open bugs on that then ;)
[11:42] <pitti> tkamppeter: hey
[11:43] <pitti> tkamppeter: nope, it's obsolete; no reverse dependencies to it at all
[11:43] <Amaranth> arg, apport flooding me with crash reports
[11:43] <Amaranth> looks like a dozen GPU lockups and a compiz crash or two :P
[11:44] <rodrigo_> yay, unity works again
[11:45] <tkamppeter> pitti, then I will MIR gs-cjk-resource, as this package ships the CMaps from real upstream (Adobe) and not wahst GS devs have taken from Adobe.
[11:46] <tkamppeter> pitti, should not be a problem as this package is data-only, no security bugs possible.
[11:47] <pitti> tkamppeter: will that remove the equivalent 1.5 MB from the ghostscript package?
[11:47] <pitti> tkamppeter: yeah, MIR-wise this looks easy
[11:49] <tkamppeter> Yes, the Debian package does not install the files of Resource/CMap.
[11:50] <pitti> tkamppeter: is gs-cjk-resource a recommends (should be) or a depends?
[11:50] <pitti> tkamppeter: if it's a depends, then you need to wait with the upload until the MIR is approved
[11:51] <pitti> tkamppeter: if it's a recommends, you can upload right away, as this won't break installability for CD builds then
[12:11] <tkamppeter> pitti, the MIR is bug 718692
[12:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 718692 in gs-cjk-resource "[MIR] gs-cjk-resource" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718692
[13:30] <bcurtiswx> good morn'
[13:32] <mvo> pitti: I merged your software-properties pygi branch, many thanks. I will upload it now (unless there is something else pending from you)
[13:32] <pitti> oooh!
[13:32] <pitti> mvo: danke
[13:32] <pitti> mvo: not from my side
[13:32] <pitti> pygi FTW!
[13:54] <dpm> pitti, here's the last part of the langpacks schedule discussion we had at UDS: langpack update requests. Do these steps sound sensible from your pov? -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdateRequest
[14:00] <seb128> could someone try to open nautilus in their user dir and select a file and open the file menu in unity?
[14:00] <seb128> does the list of applications flickers for you?
[14:20] <bcurtiswx> seb128, idk if you got my last response since i lost internet. but it all looks OK here
[14:21] <seb128> bcurtiswx,  no I didn't
[14:21] <seb128> ok, thanks
[14:24] <seb128> it's weird there it flickers like if it was rebuilding the applications list
[14:24] <seb128> but only when the file is in the user dir itself, not when it's on the desktop or somewhere else
[14:26] <bcurtiswx> seb128, i've tried Desktop, ~, Documents all don't cause a flicker in unity panel
[14:26] <bcurtiswx> well, the applications list
[14:26] <seb128> it's not in the unity panel, it's in the file menu when it's open
[14:28] <bcurtiswx> yup, no flickers anywhere.  I have been having issue with the unity panel tho.  I have to reset it to see any of kens or my additions (putting numbers on app icons)
[14:30] <bcurtiswx> is there a . folder in ~ that controls anything with the application menu in unity ?
[14:30] <seb128> you mean?
[14:31] <bcurtiswx> like if i delete .gnome2 my panel settings get defaulted
[14:31] <seb128> what do you call "application menu" in unity?
[14:31] <seb128> there is no menu in unity...
[14:33] <bcurtiswx> seb128, yes im not up to date on the right unity terminology, so to correct myself.. the app menu is the file-->help menu on the top..
[14:33] <bcurtiswx> i mean the icons to the left
[14:33] <bcurtiswx> when i said applications menu before
[14:34] <bcurtiswx> what is the correct terminology for the icons on the left?
[14:34] <bcurtiswx> unity launcher?
[14:36] <seb128> bcurtiswx, I don't understand what you describe
[14:36] <seb128> the ubuntu logo on the left?
[14:37] <fta2> how can i stop that? http://paste.ubuntu.com/566986/
[14:37] <vish> bcurtiswx: yea, launcher or unity launcher
[14:38] <bcurtiswx> seb128, the icons below the ubuntu logo on the left
[14:38] <bcurtiswx> vish, thx
[14:38] <vish> bcurtiswx: if you want to get a few folks angry you can call it "dock" ;p
[14:38] <seb128> bcurtiswx, that's the launcher
[14:38] <pitti> dpm: that looks fine to me; thanks!
[14:38] <seb128> fta2, uninstall indicator-datetime on chmod 0 the .so
[14:38] <bcurtiswx> seb128, and to the right of the ubuntu logo is the application menu ?
[14:39] <fta2> seb128, is it a known issue?
[14:39] <seb128> fta2, don't forgot to report bugs and maybe ping kenvandine about those
[14:39] <seb128> fta2, hard to say without a stacktrace
[14:39] <seb128> kenvandine, ^
[14:39] <seb128> tedg, ^
[14:39]  * kenvandine reads back
[14:39] <didrocks> vish: the new terminology is springboard btw :)
[14:39] <fta2> sure, but it's re-spawning too fast
[14:40] <seb128> well that's the indicator, it keeps reloading things
[14:40] <fta2> quad-core rulez
[14:40] <seb128> it should probably have a counter and try only a few times
[14:40] <vish> didrocks: oh! thats a mouthful, can use just call it springy ;)
[14:40] <bcurtiswx> didrocks, springboard seems appropriate only if you have a ton of launchers there.. which i can't accomplish yet
[14:40] <vish> s/can use/can we
[14:41] <bcurtiswx> im totally calling it springy from now on
[14:41] <vish> bcurtiswx: we *can* add icons there
[14:42] <tedg> fta2, Are you up-to-date with indicator-datetime?
[14:42] <bcurtiswx> s/launcher/springy/g
[14:42] <tedg> fta2, I thought we'd fixed that :-/
[14:42] <kenvandine> fta2, wow... that is  a lot of spew
[14:42] <dpm> thanks pitti!
[14:42] <kenvandine> tedg, that is where it can't get a client right?
[14:42] <vish> bcurtiswx: if some app is running, just check the "keep in launcher"
[14:43] <bcurtiswx> yeah, i do that with empathy but it still spawns a new launcher entry, so i end up having two :-\
[14:43] <fta2> tedg, upgraded this morning (and my uptime is ~6h)
[14:43] <bcurtiswx> vish, ^^
[14:44] <vish> bcurtiswx: haha! i guess you got your wish … ;p " only if you have a ton of launchers there.. which i can't accomplish yet"
[14:44] <vish> just add one and you get 2 ;)
[14:44] <bcurtiswx> if only i could do that in my bank account :-x
[14:45] <tedg> kenvandine, Yeah, usually.
[14:45] <tedg> fta2, Is apport picking up any of the crashes?
[14:45] <fta2> tedg, kenvandine: do you need a stacktrace for that?
[14:45] <tedg> fta2, please!
[14:46] <kenvandine> tedg, tell him the secret sauce for getting it to not respawn so he can run the service manually
[14:47] <tedg> kenvandine, Can't he just grab one of the apport crash files?
[14:47] <kenvandine> if there is one
[14:48]  * tedg is confused, why wouldn't there be one?
[14:48] <kenvandine> dunno, he said it wasn't firing apport
[14:48] <fta2> there was one this morning, i dropped it as i had too many old ones, now, it's no longer producing any
[14:49] <fta2> oh, it stopped respawning after a service apport restart, weird :P
[14:49] <seb128> it might be that apport is blocking it a bit while getting the crash infos
[14:50] <fta2> i still don't have the calendar in indicator
[14:50] <fta2> +the
[14:50]  * seb128 kicks the retracers
[14:52] <seb128> pitti, I've fixed the retracers, amd64 crashed on python launchpadlib import error again
[14:52] <pitti> argh; merci
[15:17] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, Riddell: could one of your source new review vala-0.10 for me? It's basically "vala" from debian renamed without the valac binary reuploaded to natty
[15:18] <seb128> not sure it really needs checking or not, we had it before natty and it's coming from debian
[15:29] <vish> kenvandine: hi, do you plan on backporting the g-c-c (gnome3) patch for the wallpapers bug ? ;)
[15:29] <kenvandine> which bug?
[15:30] <vish> the previous wallpapers getting erased one..
[15:30] <kenvandine> oh, no
[15:30] <vish> yea.. dint expect.. ;)  so unassigning..
[15:30] <kenvandine> thx
[15:31] <mvo> mpt: did you had a chance to look at lp:~mmcg069/software-center/lobby-tweaks ? I would like to merge it to trunk as its IMO a improvement over the current lobby (afaict matthew adressed most of your points?)
[15:37] <mpt> mvo, I just replied to him about it this morning.
[15:38] <mpt> I haven't seen the branch itself, just the screenshot from a week ago.
[15:38] <seb128> kklimonda, could you make sure you subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to your sponsoring requests?
[15:38] <mvo> mpt: hm, I wonder if we shouldn't start using the mailinglist for this now so that I'm in the loop
[15:38] <seb128> vish, doesn't seem worth spending time to backport
[15:38] <mpt> mvo, I agree, I replied privately only because he mailed privately, sorry I didn't CC you this time
[15:39] <mvo> mpt: what is the executive-summary? [ ] merge [ ] needs-fixing ?
[15:41] <mpt> mvo, needs fixing
[15:41] <mpt> I'll forward the message
[15:41] <mvo> mpt: thanks
[15:41] <kklimonda> seb128: ah, sure - sorry about that, I thought that just adding desktop-upgrade tag is enough to get it on your radar :)
[15:42] <seb128> kklimonda, it makes the bug number shows on the version column, but it doesn't put it on any sponsoring list
[15:42] <seb128> kklimonda, i.e it shows someone works on it, not that it's ready for review
[15:42] <kklimonda> done
[15:43] <seb128> thanks
[15:43] <mvo> mpt: I get a branch from aaronp that replaces the yes/no links with thumbs-up/down - I guess that is problematic because its not generally understood (in all cultures?)
[15:43] <kklimonda> seb128: so we use desktop/versions.html only to track who's working on what, and to get it uploaded I should follow the normal workflow? Noted :)
[15:44] <seb128> kenvandine, why did you drop the libdbusmenu static build?
[15:44] <kklimonda> seb128: would that be possible to add hamster-applet to this page? ;)
[15:44] <seb128> kklimonda, not really, version will list first things that wait for sponsoring
[15:44] <seb128> kklimonda, so we still use version
[15:44] <seb128> it's just that "desktop-upgrade" will not raise it as needed action
[15:44] <seb128> so it will stay in the middle of the list
[15:45] <mpt> mvo, I just specified the text for each case: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter/RatingsAndReviews#feedback
[15:45] <kklimonda> ok
[15:45] <mvo> mpt: yeah, I saw that
[15:45] <kenvandine> seb128, we didn't need it
[15:45] <kenvandine> seb128, or did we?
[15:45] <seb128> kklimonda, it's already on the list, you just need to click on the small plus sign next to the package column
[15:45] <kklimonda> I think I get it now :)
[15:45] <seb128> that displays the sources which are not on the CD
[15:45] <seb128> kenvandine, well usually libraries all ship a static version for those who want to do a static build
[15:46] <kklimonda> seb128: ah, I was thinking what is + hiding
[15:46] <kklimonda> I didn't think to check if it hides hamster :)
[15:46] <seb128> ;-)
[15:46] <kenvandine> we don't for the other indicator ones
[15:46] <kenvandine> so was just cleaning up :)
[15:46] <seb128> kenvandine, indicator
[15:46] <seb128> $ dpkg -L libindicator3-dev | grep [.]a
[15:46] <seb128> /usr/lib/libindicator3.a
[15:46] <seb128> kenvandine, ?
[15:47] <kenvandine> oh... i thought we had removed those ages ago
[15:47] <seb128> well, we don't do it for the indicators .so because those are not libraries you can build against
[15:47] <kenvandine> of course
[15:47] <seb128> kenvandine, we removed the .la, you are being confused there ;-)
[15:47] <kenvandine> oh right
[15:48] <kenvandine> i guess people might want to build static against dbusmenu
[15:48] <seb128> they might ;-)
[15:48] <seb128> there is little point to drop them anyway
[15:48] <kenvandine> ok, i'll revert
[15:48] <seb128> thanks
[15:49] <seb128> go mterry go!
[15:49] <seb128> mterry, nice to see you got 2 of 3 bugs fixed on the keyboard layout issues ;-)
[15:50] <mterry> seb128, :)  still not sure about the crasher.  I'm having a hard time reproducing crasher now, so maybe I did fix it with the previous patch.  If you see the crasher again, let me know
[15:50] <seb128> yeah don't bother for now
[15:52] <seb128> mterry, I will try again with your fixes to see if it still happens here, but I think that might have been a side effect of the second bug you fixed
[15:53] <mterry> seb128, yeah
[15:53] <seb128> like it was crashing after being in its confused state
[15:53] <seb128> mterry, do you still have bugs on your list or do you need new ones? ;-)
[15:53] <seb128> mterry, I'm asking but I'm running out of issues I know about without needing to check bugs reports I think ;-)
[15:53] <mterry> seb128, I'm going to catch up on a couple TODO things, but I'll come back for more bugs shortly
[15:53] <seb128> out of the icons ones
[16:22] <fta> tseliot, http://paste.ubuntu.com/567030/  whole desktop freeze when using either WebGl (chromium) or GL (googleearth) for more than a few minutes. known?
[16:23] <tseliot> fta: what driver/system are you using?
[16:23] <fta> tseliot, nvidia-current, natty, x64
[16:23] <seb128> bah
[16:23] <seb128> pitti, help
[16:24] <tseliot> fta: are you using the driver with the IgnoreABI option?
[16:25] <seb128> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/567034/
[16:25] <seb128> have you seen crashes similar to that before?
[16:25] <seb128> pitti, the crash digger crashes this way
[16:26] <fta> tseliot, hm, yes (since last Sept), but still with X 7.5 (not 7.6, still waiting for a compatible n-current)
[16:26] <tseliot> fta: ah. Can you file a bug report about it then, please? I'll forward it to nvidia
[16:27] <fta> tseliot, sure, but i don't have much to provide, it's full freeze, so i can only use the magic sysreq keys to s+u+boot
[16:29] <tseliot> fta: if you provide an easy way to reproduce the issue, together with your nvidia-bug-report.log , that would be enough
[16:29] <tseliot> *provided
[16:29] <fta> tseliot, how do i generate that log?
[16:30] <tseliot> fta: with nvidia-bug-report.sh, which is installed by nvidia-current
[16:30] <tseliot> fta: the log is generated in your home dir after you run the script
[16:33] <pitti> seb128: uargh -- no, that's new
[16:33] <ari-tczew> tseliot: have you got any informations when nvidia is planning release driver with support latest xserver?
[16:33] <fta> grrr, the log i'm referring to is not included
[16:34] <pitti> seb128: might be due to the new rollout on Friday? I'll keep it in a tab, will have a closer look (but it seems launchpadlib or LP related)
[16:34] <tseliot> ari-tczew: that's a good question but I'm afraid I'm not allowed to answer it
[16:34] <seb128> pitti, cf #ubuntu-devel
[16:34] <pitti> ah, great
[16:35] <ari-tczew> tseliot: though soon or later?
[16:36] <tseliot> ari-tczew: hopefully soon ;)
[16:36] <pitti> mvo: sorry about bug 718811, I'll fix it ASAP
[16:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 718811 in software-properties "[Natty] New software-properties breaks the application" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718811
[16:37] <ari-tczew> tseliot: I have noticed strange bug - on nvidia drivers my TV couldn't play sound. now on vesa (I guess?) sound works fine. what do you think?
[16:38] <tseliot> ari-tczew: it sounds like an hdmi issue but I really don't know much about audio
[16:45] <and471> vish, hey! no long no speak :)
[16:46] <ari-tczew> tseliot: yes it can be hdmi issue, can I report it somewhere to nvidia?
[16:46] <vish> and471: hey!  was just wondering about you today.. ;)  did you see someone mentioned about Kazam on the ayatana list?
[16:47] <fta> tseliot, filed bug 718858
[16:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 718858 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "System freeze using GL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718858
[16:47] <and471> vish, oh really? hehe I don't subscribe to it but thanks for letting me know :)
[16:47] <and471> vish, I have just fixed a papercut, which is assigned to the ninjas, what is the process I should go through?
[16:47] <and471> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/704414)
[16:47] <tseliot> ari-tczew: if you file a bug report on launchpad, I can forward it to nvidia
[16:47] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 704414 in synaptic "In status bar, Resize grip overlaps synaptic's progress bar" [Low,Triaged]
[16:47] <vish> and471: yea, someone was mentioning it as a replacement for gnome-screenshot+screencast replacement …
[16:48] <tseliot> fta: thanks
[16:48] <and471> ah cool, I will check it out
[16:48] <vish> and471: just assign it to yourself
[16:48] <and471> ok
[16:48] <vish> and471: the assign to the ninja team is just for mail notifications
[16:48] <and471> ok
[16:49] <ari-tczew> tseliot: ok 'll do it, just give me fixed drivers :-)
[16:50] <and471> vish, and then if I have linked a branch with a merge request, do I set to In Progress or Fix Comitted (I have got this wrong before :-] )
[16:50] <tseliot> :)
[16:50] <vish> and471: in-progress, and once it is merged it can be set to fix committed
[16:50] <seb128> tedg, kenvandine, mterry: bug #718676
[16:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 718676 in indicator-appmenu "Breaks Alt and Control keybindings in some programs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718676
[16:51] <seb128> do you have any clue about that? pitti reported it today as a new issue
[16:51] <and471> vish, ok thanks, it has been a while since I did this :p
[16:51] <seb128> is there any recent change that could explain that?
[16:51] <vish> and471: np.. :)
[16:51] <kenvandine> tedg, maybe moving the menu parsing code to dbusmenu?
[16:52] <mvo> pitti: oh, I overlooked this one. htanks for looking at it! I should have tested that
[16:53] <pitti> mvo: same here -- I didn't expect it to be any different when launched from synaptics
[16:53]  * pitti waves good night -- Valentine's dinner and Taekwondo
[16:53] <tedg> kenvandine, It's odd.  Other people have reported that as well.  It seems to be intermittent.
[16:53] <tedg> kenvandine, It's been around since the appmenu-gtk days.
[16:53] <pitti> tedg: I get it all the time, with new accounts, with perfect reliability
[16:53] <mterry> seb128, not sure...  I don't remember keybinding changes
[16:53] <seb128> 'night pitti
[16:57] <tedg> pitti, Hmm, I wonder why that is...
[16:58] <tedg> pitti, That's good though as it could be debugged :)
[16:58] <tedg> I hear about it most in gnome-terminal.
[16:58] <tedg> (and it has happened there for me as well)
[17:06] <fta> tseliot, is the modaliases line expected to be that long?? http://paste.ubuntu.com/567045/ (that's apt-cache show nvidia-current)
[17:08] <seb128> mvo, are the rebuilds you are doing for the issue we discussed with soren earlier? or a different thing?
[17:11] <tseliot> fta: yes, it's a feature
[17:11] <fta> ok
[17:13] <mpt> mvo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumbs_up#The_gesture_internationally
[17:22] <seb128> bah
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128 ;)
[17:39] <seb128> didrocks, did you say you wanted to work on the nautilus default menus?
[17:39] <seb128> didrocks, the tweaks for the indicator-appmenu
[17:40] <seb128> kenvandine, mterry: so it seems the issue is not due to the new compiz, not sure what is causing it
[17:40] <didrocks> seb128: I was stuck in appmenu which didn't take my updated version. So no, if you want to play with it, please, do it :)
[17:40] <seb128> didrocks, do you get a nautilus menu under the unity-panel?
[17:40] <seb128> I can see if where switching desktop here
[17:40] <seb128> well switching vertically
[17:41] <didrocks> seb128: well, I restarted unity a lot, so I don't get any menu right now
[17:41] <seb128> or you can notice a one pixel bar under the unity-panel
[17:41] <seb128> didrocks, that's bug #717358
[17:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 717358 in indicator-appmenu "nautilus puts a menu bar at the top of the desktop" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/717358
[17:42] <didrocks> I think it's when you restart unity, isn't it?
[17:42] <didrocks> like appmenu don't answer, so the application is showing the menu?
[17:42] <seb128> didrocks, no, it happens in a classic session as well
[17:42] <didrocks> oh ok :/
[17:42] <didrocks> let me look at latest nautilus upload
[17:42] <seb128> didrocks, well something like that, but it's showing the nautilus menu on the desktop
[17:42] <didrocks> because I've done that on testing purpose before
[17:42] <seb128> didrocks, nautilus didn't change for a month
[17:43] <didrocks> ok, so I didn't uploaded that version :)
[17:43] <seb128> didrocks, I'm wondering if that's the patch to export the default nautilus menu
[17:43] <seb128> but I'm not why it didn't show up before then ;-)
[17:43] <didrocks> seb128: not likely in its initial state
[17:43] <seb128> not sure
[17:43] <mvo> seb128: a different one, I have not looked into how to detect the one you saw, but I don't think its hard, could you nag^Wremind me tomrrow? tonight is my hockey night
[17:43] <seb128> ok, I've assigned it to ted
[17:43] <mvo> mpt: thanks!
[17:43] <seb128> mvo, ok sure
[17:43] <seb128> mvo, enjoy
[17:44] <didrocks> confirmed, my local testing in "showing the menu" is still… local :)
[17:46] <seb128> didrocks, what issue did you run into?
[17:47] <didrocks> seb128: updating the menu didn't update appmenu whereas it was updating the embeeded one
[17:47] <seb128> could you try if that's still an issue?
[17:47] <didrocks> I just spent one hour on this
[17:48] <seb128> there was quite some bug fixing on appmenu refresh issues since
[17:48] <seb128> if you still have your local build...
[17:48] <didrocks> seb128: I'm working on other unity patches… if nobody else can, I can tackle that next wekk
[17:48] <didrocks> no, I don't have it anymore, I'm afraid :/
[17:48] <seb128> didrocks, don't bother
[17:48] <didrocks> it was just testing "hiding an entry"
[17:48] <seb128> I will assign to mterry next time he's asking for a bug to tackle ;-)
[17:49] <didrocks> heh :)
[17:50] <bcurtiswx> indicator-datetime the date and time are hard to read as dark text and a slightly less dark background
[18:12] <fta> kenvandine, i have two apport files for my respawns of indicator-datetime-service & geoclue-master
[18:13] <fta> not sure how to append the 2nd one to the 1st bug
[18:14] <kenvandine> fta, perhaps you have to just attach it via the web UI
[18:14] <fta> won't be retraced then
[18:14] <fta> maybe a 2nd bug
[18:14] <kenvandine> yeah, we'll it's a different package though right?
[18:15] <kenvandine> it is two bugs i think
[18:15] <kenvandine> i think geoclue is crashing
[18:15] <kenvandine> and indicator-datetime is crashing because of the geoclue crash
[18:15] <fta> yep
[18:15] <kenvandine> which ted thought he had prevented that
[18:16] <kenvandine> well, in a fix from last week, preventing crash on geoclue failing
[18:16] <kenvandine> he handles the case where geoclue fails to give him a client
[18:17] <kenvandine> i bet in this case he gets a valid geoclue client, then geoclue crashes
[18:17] <kenvandine> he probably didn't really protect against that
[18:18] <fta> bug 718911 & bug 718908
[18:18] <ubot2> fta: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/718911)
[18:18] <ubot2> fta: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/718908)
[18:20] <fta> they look like bug 714763 715086
[18:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 714763 in indicator-datetime "indicator-datetime-service crashed with SIGSEGV in geoclue_master_client_set_requirements_async()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/714763
[18:20] <fta> bug 715086
[18:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 715086 in geoclue "geoclue-master crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_create_instance()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/715086
[18:27] <kenvandine> fta, thx
[18:36] <fta> is there a way to have more than 4 workspaces in unity? i'd like 6x1 instead of 2x2
[18:37] <kklimonda> fta: you can change it in ccsm->general settings->desktop
[18:37] <fta> oh
[18:37] <fta> :)
[18:37] <kklimonda> desktop size*
[18:42] <kklimonda> what's the stance on "emergency library bundling" i.e. bundling it in source, and linking statically?
[18:43] <kklimonda> after last weekend, and finding one more package that builds but fails its tests I don't see us upgrading libevent to 2.0.10 in natty
[18:43] <kklimonda> I can't port Transmission 2.21 to libevent 1.4.x
[18:43] <micahg> kklimonda: did you see SpamapS's reply to the thread?, doesn't seem to be happening for natty
[18:44] <kklimonda> micahg: hence my question - I did reach the same conclusion yesterday after I got another ftbfs when someone has updated package.
[18:45] <kklimonda> Transmission did bundle libevent in the past, exactly for this reason - they tend to use the newest, and shiniest version as doing that gives them a lot.
[18:46] <micahg> kklimonda: I would think we should stick with Transmission 2.1x then, IMHO, unless there's a compelling reason to upgrade
[18:46] <kklimonda> micahg: well - no reason other than it fixes bugs, and adds features. :)
[18:47] <kklimonda> it's supposed to fix (or limit) one bug that hits users of Transmission with encrypted home directories.
[18:47] <kklimonda> that would be worth updating it, so we can see if it helps.
[18:48] <kklimonda> right now, some people report Transmission going into zombie state when the download files on either NTFS or ecrypts partition.
[18:48] <micahg> kklimonda: can that be backported?
[18:49] <chrisccoulson> w00t, more bugs fixed in the firefox menu \o/
[18:50] <chrisccoulson> it seems that me and m_conley are the only people noticing bugs
[18:51] <kklimonda> micahg: probably, but it wasn't a single commit and rather a list of changes. I'd have to discuss it with upstream.
[18:52] <micahg> kklimonda: :(
[19:03] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, is it only universe packages that don't work with the new libevent?
[19:04] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: well, universe packages don't build
[19:05] <chrisccoulson> but there are some in main that are problematic too?
[19:06] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: it's just impossible to tell if they actually work without testing them
[19:07] <chrisccoulson> i was going to suggest updating libevent to 2.0.10, and then uploading a libevent1 source to universe, and have the problematic universe packages stick with the old version ;)
[19:07] <chrisccoulson> it would be a shame to block the transmission update on packages in universe
[19:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: server team doesn't want the transition
[19:07] <chrisccoulson> hmmm :/
[19:07] <chrisccoulson> that sucks
[19:07] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: jordan is willing to rebundle libevent2
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> well, that might be the best option ;)
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> how often does libevent get security updates?
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> it seems the answer is "never" ;)
[19:10] <kklimonda> never
[19:10] <kklimonda> indeed
[19:10] <kklimonda> it's a solid piece of code :)
[19:10] <chrisccoulson> IMO, I don't think that bundling it in transmission is any worse than having a separate libevent 2 source package that only transmission is using
[19:11] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, is the current version of transmission we have in natty maintained anymore?
[19:12] <chrisccoulson> (ie, is it likely to get security fixes?)
[19:12] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: yes, it would get security fixes if we stayed with it - upstream is really helpful. But it's not maintained in a sense that someone tests it.
[19:13] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, have you spoken to anyone on the security team? i think that would be my next step, and get their thoughts about bundling it until the security team want the transition
[19:14] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: good idea, off I go to speak with them :)
[19:14] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: any idea who can I poke about it?
[19:15] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, you could try jdstrand
[19:30] <SpamapS> [ 89939.568] (II) pointer_property
[19:30] <SpamapS> These flood my Xorg.0.log constantly..
[19:31] <SpamapS> anybody have an idea? I have a macbook pro 5,1
[19:43] <bcurtiswx> is banshee 1.9.3 on anyone's todo ?
[21:05] <Laney> yes
[21:27] <bigon> mmm last gtk3 has been uploaded without changin the pkg name has been uploaded without
[21:29] <bigon> "mmm last gtk3 (3.0) has been uploaded in ubuntu without changing the pkg name"
[21:40] <micahg> bigon: hi, I wasn't sure if we finished our conversation about gjs before
[21:52] <dobey> is anyone looking at updating webkitgtk/libsoup?
[21:53] <micahg> dobey: I thought robert_ancell was
[21:54] <dobey> ok, guess i'll wait until he shows up and poke him about it
[22:00] <bigon> micahg: well not really, my point is that gjs is supported upstream, in debian and that firefox API breaks are not to expect before natty release
[22:01] <micahg> bigon: right, but we do stable release updates of xulrunner, so they are likely to break and since there are no rdepends, there's no reason to have the support burden of porting to a new upstream xul version
[22:01] <bigon> mmmh
[22:02] <micahg> bigon: we'll provide it in the GNOME3 PPA with gnome-shell for anyone who wants to build them from source or use them
[22:06] <bigon> the main argument on the RM request was "nobody use it" and this looks thin (without counting that it looks like sabotage and not only in my mind)
[22:07] <micahg> bigon: no, it was that nothing in the archive uses it
[22:08] <RAOF> gjs *has* been a pain in the past, and is likely to be in the future; if there are no rdepends then it makes sense to remove it.
[22:09] <micahg> RAOF: it was removed and reuploaded :)
[22:09] <RAOF> On the basis that a non-existent gjs package is better than a *broken* gjs package.
[22:09] <RAOF> micahg: Yeah, I know.  I'm just providing supporting justification for you :)
[22:09] <micahg> RAOF: thanks :)
[22:22] <chrisccoulson> what is shutter using gnome-web-photo for?
[22:22] <chrisccoulson> it's dead upstream, and requires a fairly substantial refactoring to work with with xulrunner 2.0
[22:23] <chrisccoulson> not sure if anyone in here uses shutter ;)
[22:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I was going to try to get that in Debian, hmm, should we just drop it from the archive then?
[22:26] <chrisccoulson> not sure.
[22:27] <chrisccoulson> it hasn't had a single commit upstream in 5 months, and that was only a translation change
[22:27] <micahg> right, last "release" was a year and a half ago
[22:29] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I don't see a project page or an ML for it
[22:33] <micahg> chrisccoulson: here's the answer to your question: http://www.linoob.com/2010/09/shutter-feature-rich-screenshot-app-for-ubuntu/ item 1) 4.
[22:34] <micahg> I think there might be a webkit app that does the same thing
[23:07] <bigon> micahg: /wi15
[23:07] <bigon> oups
[23:10] <bigon> micahg: well if you want to RM the pkg again go ahead
[23:11] <bigon> but I still think that it will made some ppl being not happy
[23:11] <micahg> bigon: people are already not going to be happy about gnome-shell, I don't think they'll care about gjs per se
[23:12] <micahg> but it'll be staged with the GNOME3 stack for those who want it in natty
[23:16] <bigon> micahg: maybe see with didrock, he's the one who reupload the pkg
[23:46] <micahg> bigon: I'll check with him in the morning