[02:32] <jdeslip> Good evening all
[02:32] <grantbow> good evening
[02:32] <rww> evenin'
[02:34] <grantbow> looks like just Scale9x planning on the agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11February13
[02:37] <jdeslip> Yep
[02:45] <grantbow> Seems to me we should add Scale to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConferenceAppearances pretty soon.
[02:54] <grantbow> per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConferenceTopTips do people have tally counters such as http://images.google.com/images?q=tally+counter ?
[02:55] <jdeslip> I don't, wonders if there is an android "app for that"
[02:56] <grantbow> good idea, I'll look.
[02:56] <grantbow> They are less than $10 on Amazon or eBay and won't crash :-)
[02:57] <grantbow> if not we can make one ;-)
[02:57] <grantbow> quite a few in the market
[02:58] <akk> I have a linux program to do that, if you want to dedicate a laptop to it. :)
[02:58] <akk> (written for counting meteors)
[02:58]  * grantbow surfs the developer websites
[02:58] <grantbow> akk: cool
[02:58] <jdeslip> Almost time for meeting
[02:59] <akk> http://shallowsky.com/software/tuxmeteor.html
[03:00] <akk> (just posting 'cause I want to show off the silly logo)
[03:00] <grantbow> the trouble we had in the past using them was gathering the data
[03:00] <akk> Getting people to remember to click them?
[03:00] <grantbow> akk: gnuplot, nice
[03:01] <akk> These days I'd use other solutions -- cairoplot makes really pretty plots.
[03:01] <jdeslip> Ok, everyone here for the meeting raise your hand
[03:01] <akk> o/
[03:01] <MarkDude> \o
[03:01] <grantbow> o/
[03:02] <jdeslip> Ok, hopefully some people trickle in during the hour.
[03:02] <jdeslip> The 0th topic is (as always) announcements.  Anyone have anything to announce?
[03:02] <philipballew> hand raised!
[03:03]  * eps tries to figure out which left is my left
[03:03] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[03:04] <jdeslip> David Wonderly mentioned that the week for Feb 28 is Ubuntu developer week
[03:04] <jdeslip> If you want to attend, please check out the mailing list
[03:04] <jdeslip> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[03:05] <ishimeru> Good evening everyone.
[03:05] <jdeslip> Any other announcements?
[03:06] <jdeslip> If not, we will move on to our only agenda item for tonight.  SCALE9X planning.
[03:06] <jdeslip> SCALE is less than 2 weeks from tonight
[03:06] <jdeslip> We will have booth at the expo on Saturday and Sunday the 26th and 27th
[03:07] <jdeslip> And on friday their will be an Ubucon.
[03:07] <jdeslip> If nhaines is around, perhaps he can briefly discuss the ubucon and what (if anything) is needed.
[03:07] <jdeslip> (Thanks A LOT nhaines for making this happen and taking the lead)
[03:10] <jdeslip> OK, if nhaines pops in later, we can disucss the ubucon, if not - I'm assuming enough speakers got back to him and we can disucss any necessary planning on the list.
[03:10] <jdeslip> Moving on to our booth...
[03:10] <jdeslip> The main thing we want to confirm tonight is the demo boxes
[03:11] <jdeslip> MarkDude: Can you confirm the demo boxes you are bringing and whether they will be at the ubuntu table
[03:11] <jdeslip> I know you are contributing to other tables as well
[03:12] <MarkDude> Sry yes
[03:12] <jdeslip> Also for those following along the scale planning is found on the wiki here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x
[03:12] <jdeslip> Please add your name if you are coming and bringing anything
[03:12]  * MarkDude has 2 machines- the other has iied and most likely needs pats
[03:12] <dragonoid> o/
[03:13] <jdeslip> Can you describe the two machines?  And will they be at the Ubuntu table the entire expo?
[03:13] <jdeslip> or are they on a timeshare ;)
[03:13] <MarkDude> both of the machines are there full time
[03:14] <jdeslip> OK, can you add them to the wiki page with a description
[03:14] <MarkDude> The Dell and the the compaq on the page already
[03:14] <MarkDude> I may need to scratch the Strata
[03:15] <iheartubuntu> are CD sleeves still needed? I can update the old artwork to be for 10.10 discs (or whatever is needed)
[03:15] <jdeslip> Ah, I see, guess they are not in the table
[03:15] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu - yes, we still need the sleeve design to be updated.
[03:15]  * MarkDude will move them to correct place- as pleia2 reminded me to- and I forgot :P
[03:15] <grantbow> iheartubuntu: that would be greatly appreciated
[03:15] <iheartubuntu> ok - i will do it.
[03:16] <iheartubuntu> are these printed in b/w or color?
[03:16] <jdeslip> basically we just want the sleeves to include checkboxes for the next several releases (instead of last several releases)
[03:16] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: both
[03:16] <jdeslip> I am going to try to pring about 100 in color
[03:16] <jdeslip> but often they are printed in black and white for cost
[03:17] <iheartubuntu> on what sort of paper?
[03:17] <jdeslip> 8-1/2-11
[03:17] <jdeslip> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/CDSleeves
[03:17] <jdeslip> You can just modify the design
[03:17] <grantbow> it's in bzr
[03:18] <iheartubuntu> got it thx
[03:18] <jdeslip> Once you modify it, please send an email to list; so, I can get them printed.  :)
[03:19] <iheartubuntu> will do. i will get this done sometime tonite
[03:19] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[03:19] <jdeslip> erichammond1: are you still on track for burning 200 discs?
[03:19]  * erichammond1 wakes up
[03:20] <jdeslip> on the wiki page it says you are down for 200 discs - it is in the blank category, but I seem to remember you saying it would be 200 burned discs
[03:20] <erichammond1> um, my name is in the "blank cds" row
[03:20] <erichammond1> jdeslip: wishful thinking.
[03:20] <rww> hehe
[03:21] <grantbow> haha
[03:21] <grantbow> 6 minutes or so each x200 is quite a bit
[03:21] <jdeslip> true
[03:21] <iheartubuntu> what version #'s do we want on the sleeve? right now its 8.04, 9.04, 9.10, and 10.04
[03:21] <erichammond1> I did spend a little time looking around for a CD printing company that would print the CDs for free with a little advertising space on them.
[03:21] <jdeslip> So, can anyone volunteer some burned cds?
[03:22] <erichammond1> Didn't make much progress, but it seems that there might be somebody out there for future events.
[03:22] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: I think 10.04 10.10 11.04 11.10
[03:22] <iheartubuntu> are we burning them on CD or DVD?
[03:22] <rww> iheartubuntu: CD
[03:22] <jdeslip> CD
[03:22] <iheartubuntu> i ask because i have better luck with burning to DVD :)
[03:22] <grantbow> erichammond1: Canonical will gladly ship CDs at minimal cost for a modest donation, especially for versions they have extra of like 10.04 right now.
[03:23] <grantbow> I've looked into getting CDs made too and the costs are quite high in relatively low volumes
[03:23] <jdeslip> grantbow: We also have a conference pack that includes pressed cds
[03:23] <grantbow> jdeslip: I hadn't forgotten :-)
[03:24] <grantbow> shipit will work with us to act as a CD replicator at cost
[03:24] <grantbow> their cost is much lower than anything I could find
[03:24] <grantbow> I can check my notes
[03:24] <jdeslip> OK, well, it seems like we will have a lot of blank cds on hand and I believe a burning box - DarkwingDucks
[03:25] <erichammond1> grantbow: I'd love to hear what "cost" is.
[03:25] <philipballew> would anyone just have a multiple cd burner they can lend for the weekend?
[03:25] <iheartubuntu> I can commit to 50 CDs. let me know what speed you want them burned to and any other info like what ISOs
[03:25] <grantbow> erichammond1: np
[03:25] <erichammond1> I did say I could print some color sleeves (100+?) if the design is updated and somebody contacts me about it more than a day in advance.
[03:26] <philipballew> i can do cds as well. just need the number, version and speed
[03:26] <grantbow> marking CDs, printing sleeves, folding sleeves, stuffing, all of these are factors we take for "granted" in low volumes.
[03:26] <iheartubuntu> erichammond1 - i will post the CD sleeve file to the mailing list sometime tonite
[03:26] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: thanks! can you add your name to the wiki page?
[03:27] <jdeslip> philipballew: the number is however much you can commit to 50? Mostly i386 desktop edition.
[03:27] <jdeslip> Does speed actually matter?  I mean, as long as your burner can handle it?
[03:27] <rww> jdeslip: Higher speeds means more chance of failures. On modern equipment, I usually go with 8x.
[03:27] <philipballew> i can do 50. i assume this is 10.10? not to show up looking like an idiot with the wrong version
[03:27] <iheartubuntu> are we in need of any computers? i have an acer aspireone netbook with ubuntu 10.10 on it (desktop, unity, 2D). i can have it avail when im around.
[03:27] <grantbow> I do x16 speed for higher reliability - I found speed does matter.
[03:28] <philipballew> i have a dell studeo 10.10 ready for use if need be
[03:28] <iheartubuntu> not slower than 16x ?
[03:28] <grantbow> rww: your script rocks
[03:28] <jdeslip> Yes, please do 10.10
[03:28] <philipballew> exelent
[03:28] <iheartubuntu> so 50 of 10.10?
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> Hey guys, sry I'm late
[03:28] <jdeslip> OK, if the expert say speed matters, do 16x and lower
[03:28] <rww> grantbow: come to think of it, I don't remember if I merged in those changes you sent me... will go check now.
[03:29] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: that would be awesome.  please add your name to the wiki if you can do it. :)
[03:29] <grantbow> http://rww.name/scripts/cdwrite.sh
[03:29] <philipballew> yes. i will do 50 of 10.10 32 bit
[03:29] <jdeslip> great
[03:29] <grantbow> rww: I think it was minor, like using the configured device on all commands as I recall.
[03:30] <jdeslip> Does anyone have anything else to add about SCALE planning?
[03:30] <grantbow> short meetings are not bad - work can still get done at other times :-)
[03:31] <philipballew> is there a section in the wiki for burned cds or should i add one?
[03:31] <jdeslip> philipballew: on here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x
[03:31] <philipballew> thanks
[03:31] <jdeslip> there is a table and row for "pre-Burned cds"
[03:32] <jdeslip> OK, I think we have pretty much everything covered (I will add myself as bringing the banner).
[03:33] <erichammond1> It would be smart for somebody to bring a backup network switch in the event EricHammond doesn't come through or his switch fails.
[03:33] <jdeslip> Does anyone have anything else to add before we end the official meeting?
[03:33] <jdeslip> erichammond1: ya, I heard that guy is unreliable ;)
[03:33] <erichammond1> ;-/
[03:33] <erichammond1> I'm a fan of redundancy
[03:33] <jdeslip> If anyone else can bring a switch, please add your name to the wiki
[03:34] <grantbow> erichammond1: good idea
[03:34] <jdeslip> (thinks I have spare linksys router I can bring)
[03:34] <grantbow> jdeslip: the one that looks best on Android from a quick inspection as a tally counter is from Nuvera Apps named T-Counter
[03:34] <rww> grantbow: looking at the diff, it 1) makes a couple of changes to eject calls that I think were because my burner needs some ejects that yours didn't, 2) switches the speed from 8x to 16x, and 3) disables MD5SUM checking (that I don't think we got working fully anyway?). I'll leave it for now and see if I can improve the MD5SUM stuff instead of commenting it out and cut down on the eject usage.
[03:35] <iheartubuntu> im too slow to update the wiki. i'll do my updating after the meeting (sorry)
[03:35] <rww> I'll add optional arguments for speed etc. too
[03:35] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: no worries
[03:36] <jdeslip> erichammond1: you bringing some cat5 cable too?
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> I have a single CD/DVD burner on my laptop. I will have all of the ISOs you can think of.
[03:36] <jdeslip> MarkDude: will you be providing your own cat5 cable for demo boxes?
[03:36] <iheartubuntu> will there be wi-fi available?
[03:36] <MarkDude> Sure what osrt of assortment should I bring?
[03:36] <grantbow> rww: I think I explained in my email that I didn't expect all of that to get merged - some of the need for the ejects depends on the type of burner you use (manual or automatic tray, etc).
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: there is but... bandwidth is really bad
[03:37] <MarkDude> GK has all sorts of cables and wires and such
[03:37] <iheartubuntu> ok
[03:37] <jdeslip> MarkDude: Maybe a few 5" cables?
[03:37] <rww> grantbow: ah, I didn't look at the email body. indeed you did.
[03:37] <jdeslip> err 5'
[03:37] <erichammond1> jdeslip: I don't have spare cables right now.  I could buy some cheap online if needed.
[03:37] <MarkDude> wisdom of sages (akk) NEVER trust wifi at conferences
[03:37] <rww> grantbow: I think the problems with getting console beeps were actually caused by a headachy bug in compiz. I'll ping my compiz contact and see if that's still an issue.
[03:38] <erichammond1> DarkwingDuck: This is a new location with multiple times more bandwidth.  We don't know how good/bad it will be.
[03:38]  * MarkDude can bring 20 or so of that size
[03:38] <iheartubuntu> 64 bit versions of 10.10 needed/wanted?
[03:38] <grantbow> rww: the only important thing was to get all the ejects and calls using the same /dev/ device variable so they all change at once. I tripped on that later and it might not be in the diff
[03:38] <DarkwingDuck> erichammond1: Aye, but if everyone is using the same connection...
[03:38] <MarkDude> a tethered phone would be great for scheduled times
[03:38] <jdeslip> MarkDude: probably 5 or so cables would be good.
[03:38] <jdeslip> I have a tethered phone to bring
[03:38] <jdeslip> MarkDude: can you add the cable to the wiki?
[03:39] <MarkDude> Ok, lets see if any thing else
[03:39] <jdeslip> OK... so, anyone have any other questions about scale?
[03:39] <rww> grantbow: It's not. I'll add an otpional argument for device and default it to /dev/sd0
[03:39] <rww> sr0 **
[03:39] <rww> (and use it in the eject calls)
[03:39] <MarkDude> oh, lets try to Ustream or Justin TV some stuff for Scale
[03:40] <erichammond1> Does our booth have limits on network usage (number of computers, wifi broadcasting, ...)?
[03:40] <DarkwingDuck> Has anyone emailed nhaines to requesting a talking topic for Ubucon?
[03:40] <akk> rww: There's a kernel issue with console beeps too.
[03:40] <jdeslip> DarkwingDuck: I did and pleia2 did I think
[03:40] <MarkDude> tethered phone and ok cheap mic work well even on crappy bandwidth
[03:40] <DarkwingDuck> As did I
[03:40] <jdeslip> erichammond1: I am not sure they released that type of info
[03:40] <rww> erichammond1: If it's the same as last year, number of computers isn't an issue, but wifi wasn't allowed I think.
[03:40] <MarkDude> sound remains good - picture degrades
[03:41] <DarkwingDuck> rww: correct. We were not allowed Wifi
[03:41] <DarkwingDuck> other then provided wifi
[03:41] <erichammond1> so my little switch only has 4 hardware ports which limits it to 4 computers with Internet access.
[03:41] <MarkDude> Tethered worked well withNO wifi at Scale
[03:42]  * MarkDude is just telling all of you to root your phone so tethering can happen
[03:42] <MarkDude> :D
[03:42] <rww> akk: ah. I'll just comment the line out, then.
[03:42] <jdeslip> MarkDude: I can provide tethering if onsite internet fails
[03:43] <jdeslip> Ok. Let's wrap this up.  Please add your name to the wiki if you made a commitment to discs etc. tonight.
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: already rooted and some of that GingerBread goodness
[03:43]  * MarkDude suggest some sort of videos be made
[03:43] <MarkDude> at least a bit of Ubucon
[03:43] <jdeslip> Can probably do that with various android phones
[03:43] <iheartubuntu> is keeping the sleeve file an SVG format important?
[03:43] <MarkDude> many folks still dont know what the heck it is :)
[03:43] <erichammond1> My Internet access through my 4G phone is an 8 device wifi hotspot,  but I don't know how much I'll be around the booth.
[03:43] <rww> iheartubuntu: yes
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> Does anyone have a video camera?
[03:43] <jdeslip> iheartubunut: svg would be best since it is scalable
[03:44] <MarkDude> Anyone going to be there for Ubucon with a tether phone?
[03:44] <jdeslip> I will (if needed)
[03:45] <DarkwingDuck> As will I
[03:45] <iheartubuntu> ok
[03:45] <jdeslip> More discussions on details of SCALE setup etc. will happen on the mailing list, channel in the days leading up to the conference. I think we will plan some sort of meeting on the Friday during/after ubucon
[03:46] <DarkwingDuck> +1 for after Ubucon
[03:46] <erichammond1> Is there a meeting next Sunday?
[03:46] <jdeslip> erichammond1: you mean in two weeks?
[03:46] <MarkDude> Alright- lets plan on streaming some of Ubucon-
[03:46] <jdeslip> I am not yet sure - given that a larger fraction of the team will be at scale
[03:46] <erichammond1> jdeslip: oh, nevermind.  SCALE is sneaking up fast.
[03:46] <rww> It got moved to an in-person one on Saturday last year, which I thought was helpful.
[03:47]  * MarkDude can create an acct for Ustream- or the Team can use mine
[03:47] <jdeslip> rww: sounds like a good idea
[03:47] <MarkDude> rww, if everyone had known about it sure :)
[03:48] <jdeslip> How about a meeting on the Friday after Ubucon - which can serve as a meet and greet and a planning meeting for the next two days?
[03:48] <rww> MarkDude: Given all the places that meeting times are posted...
[03:49] <MarkDude> Ustream also allows for remote participation
[03:49] <MarkDude> folks can ask questions
[03:49] <jdeslip> Let's not worry too much about what happened last time, ok ;) I'll send an email to the list proposing a meeting Friday night and trying to get peoples schedules aligned
[03:49] <rww> jdeslip: Saturday was useful as a "We've done one day of booth. What changes do we need to make for day two?". I'm not gonna be there, though, so my preferences don't count ;)
[03:50]  * MarkDude is making sure we get the details set as to when to meet- they shifted last time
[03:50] <MarkDude> No worries, water under the bridge
[03:50] <jdeslip> rww: not a bad point. I'll send the email to the list and see what people want.  Friday or Saturday.
[03:50] <rww> (and as far as I know, ustream only works if you use Flash, so I won't be remote attending)
[03:50] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[03:50] <jdeslip> OK... So lets wrap this up for real.  Thanks for coming everyone!
[03:51] <jdeslip> The next official IRC meeting will therefore be in 4 weeks, and we will have an in-person meeting either Friday or Saturday at SCALE
[03:52] <jdeslip> ---------------------- End of Official Meeting ----------------
[03:52]  * rww cuts along dotted line
[03:52]  * MarkDude will create West Coast Ubuntu for streaming- considering it can be used at OSCON
[03:53] <MarkDude> unless there is objection- I am willing to help- I just have time for ML
[03:53] <grantbow> MarkDude: please not West Coast Ubuntu
[03:53] <grantbow> we have enough names as it is
[03:53] <MarkDude> and have also streamed at events before
[03:54] <grantbow> I recommend ubuntu-us-ca but there are other ideas I am sure
[03:54] <jdeslip> MarkDude: I'd talk to nhaines first, make sure he is OK (and thinks speakers) are OK with streaming video.
[03:54] <MarkDude> California Ubuntu Team?
[03:54] <jdeslip> at ubucon that is
[03:54] <jdeslip> Since, he is the lead for that event, I think this should be passed by him
[03:55] <MarkDude> jdeslip, I am willing to bet at least 1 speaker will be- I plan on that
[03:55] <MarkDude> anything more will be bonus
[03:56] <MarkDude> Or not. Just trying to help here
[03:56] <jdeslip> I think it is not a good idea: just make sure the organizers/speakers for ubucon are on board ;0
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> I good.
[03:57] <MarkDude> k
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> I mean... my documentation talk at campDKE last year is on youtube lol
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> *CampKDE
[03:57] <grantbow> MarkDude: California Ubuntu Team is another variant but is better than West Coast Ubuntu.  Did you see the discussion during the meeting a month ago? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January16
[03:58] <rww> DarkwingDuck: in WebM format, I hope ;P?
[03:58] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, and if I was from Europe I would hella view it :D
[03:58] <jdeslip> I meant to say I think it "IS" a good idea.
[03:58] <DarkwingDuck> rww: :P
[03:58] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: KDE rocks in the US Brother
[03:58] <jdeslip> As long as nhaines and speakers are on board
[03:58] <MarkDude> grantbow, chill, not really going to use the name
[03:58] <rww> Calibuntu Forniloco
[03:58] <MarkDude> just as DarkwingDuck  knows that KDE is just fine :)
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[03:59] <MarkDude> rww +1
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> rww: +2
[03:59] <grantbow> rww: Sameer has recorded Ustream from his Android phone and I don't think he has flash on it.
[03:59] <MarkDude> And a nice color blue I might add
[03:59] <jdeslip> Why not just live stream under the Ubucon or SCALE event name
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> I would say Ubucon name
[03:59] <nhaines> I have hired a videographer for Ubucon and am preliminarily planning to stream live via Ustream, please do not make aditional plans for recording at Ubucon.
[03:59] <akk> Sometimes sites server flash to desktop browsers and other formats to phones, I gather.
[03:59] <rww> grantbow: There are apps for iPhone and Android, yeah. I don't think there's a normal computer interface that doesn't use Flash. Or rather, I couldn't find one when I tried.
[03:59] <nhaines> (Personal recording is fine by me as long as it doesn't disrupt.)
[04:00] <grantbow> rww: kk
[04:00] <MarkDude> nhaines, is correct
[04:00] <jdeslip> nhaines: thanks for the info
[04:00] <grantbow> nhaines: nice! who have you hired?
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: Did you recieve my email?
[04:00] <MarkDude> That was the #1 thing for streaming- was not letting the tech get in the way
[04:01] <akk> Video is still dicey that way, so many incompatible formats and platforms.
[04:01] <nhaines> grantbow: David Ellsworth, who did the camerawork for SCaLE8X too.
[04:01] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: yes I did!
[04:01] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: awesome!
[04:01] <MarkDude> It was used for questions/statements just a bit- but that was helpful
[04:02] <grantbow> akk: yes, we had some problems streaming at the OLPC SF summit a few months back with some laptops we hadn't tested before the event. Last minute scramble finally got something running but it wasn't ideal.
[04:02] <jdeslip> Ok, so I think that resolves the video issue: nhaines has it covered
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot!
[04:02] <grantbow> jdeslip: yes
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> Flannel: ping
[04:02] <grantbow> nhaines: thanks for handling this :-)
[04:03] <jdeslip> OK, I am off for the evening. Thanks for all your scale9x commitments everyone!  I am really looking forward to meeting everyone!
[04:04] <nhaines> grantbow: the video setup for Ubucon last year was major fail so I'm bringing in someone this year.  It should be a lot smoother.
[04:04] <iheartubuntu> same here jdeslip
[04:04] <MarkDude> later jdeslip
[04:04] <MarkDude> akk http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12036933
[04:04] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: it wasn't a major fail... it failed but, I don't think that was your fault.
[04:04] <MarkDude> the suond is bad due to the mic
[04:05] <iheartubuntu> me/ thinks markdude looks like a professional baseball player
[04:05] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: the Flip couldn't offload the video fast enough and we didn't really have access to the laptop between sessions anyway, so it was poor planning.
[04:05] <MarkDude> lol
[04:05] <iheartubuntu> possibly a pitcher in an imagined W.P. Kinsella short story
[04:06] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: Yeah... I think my netbook dying was just as bad LOL
[04:06] <akk> It's true, in that hat he does look like a baseball player.
[04:07] <MarkDude> Well ty. I would rather be told I look like a baseball player than say a football or rugby player
[04:08] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: you look like you should play bowling :P:P
[04:08]  * MarkDude has NO stache now
[04:08] <DarkwingDuck> No?
[04:09] <DarkwingDuck> I have one and a goatee now
[04:09] <iheartubuntu> or an Oregen lumberjack.
[04:09] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[04:09] <iheartubuntu> actually... even without the suit MarkDude looks more and more like a penguin
[04:09] <iheartubuntu> :p
[04:10] <grantbow> lol
[04:10] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, the full transformation will take a while tho
[04:10]  * iheartubuntu will examine his feet/flippers at scale
[04:10] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: are you bringing the penguin suit?
[04:11] <MarkDude> Well a replacement
[04:11] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[04:11] <MarkDude> the original is in Venezuela
[04:11] <grantbow> nice
[04:11] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh sweet
[04:11] <MarkDude> Slightly battle damaged, but still has life in it
[04:11] <MarkDude> the replacemnt is still in AZ
[04:11] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[04:12] <MarkDude> long story
[04:12] <MarkDude> Robyn will be bringing it with her
[04:12]  * MarkDude misses having a suit at present
[04:13] <MarkDude> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5425001844/
[04:13] <MarkDude> There is the suit at a Debian party in Caracas
[04:14] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[04:15]  * MarkDude has been given  assignments to take some pics with the suit doing various things
[04:19] <MarkDude> Cleanshaven I have more of a youth pastor look I think
[04:29] <grantbow> akk: tuxmeteor is quite cool, thanks.
[04:30]  * rww ponders laptop + CRT
[04:33] <iheartubuntu> sorry its taking me so long on this SVG - i havent used inkscape for a few months :)
[04:33]  * MarkDude wonders why no one has ever said that I look like a scientist/professor
[04:34] <MarkDude> lol
[04:34] <rww> because you don't ;P?
[04:34] <MarkDude> <delayed reaction>
[04:34] <MarkDude> rww I know
[04:34] <grantbow> iheartubuntu - might be easier to edit the markup by hand but I haven't tried it
[04:34] <iheartubuntu> almost done
[04:35] <MarkDude> anyone editing the wiki at this point- the Scale page?
[04:35] <grantbow> going home, have fun all
[04:35] <rww> It's generated, not hand-written in the first place, so I imagine it's probably a mess internally.
[04:35] <MarkDude> Later Dangerous G
[04:41] <iheartubuntu> can i post files to the mailing list?
[04:41] <rww> iheartubuntu: How big?
[04:41] <iheartubuntu> 1.3mb
[04:42] <rww> iheartubuntu: I wouldn't recommend it.
[04:43] <rww> Some options: 1) learn bzr and upload it to the LP repo, 2) put it on the wiki, 3) put it on Ubuntu One / some hosting site
[04:43] <rww> if you don't know bzr already, the SCaLE page of the wiki might be a good bet.
[04:43] <iheartubuntu> ok i can put it on the wiki or somethin
[04:43] <pleia2> or email it to someone who can put it into bzr for you :)
[04:43] <iheartubuntu> whats bzr
[04:44] <rww> iheartubuntu: the version control software that the CD sleeve files are in
[04:44] <pleia2> bazaar, revision control that launchpad uses
[04:49]  * pleia2 back to guests
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> BAH!
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> let 'em fend
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[04:59] <seidos> ah, right on time
[05:00] <rww> hah
[05:05] <MarkDude> Awesome >> Internal Server Error
[05:06] <rww> MarkDude: on the wiki? that's why I edit in kate and copypaste over.
[05:06] <rww> not the most reliable server
[05:09] <MarkDude> Yes, copypasta is your friend
[05:10] <MarkDude> gedit works if you know what you are doing- or in my case keep it simple :)
[05:11]  * MarkDude bows to ple ia2 and her inflatable penguin
[05:28] <iheartubuntu> Is there any plan to alter the Ubuntu California Team logo to a more updated design in connection with the new Ubuntu font & logos?
[05:28] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: not at present.
[05:28] <iheartubuntu> im not sure there is a need. I like what we have with the state of California in the logo
[05:29] <nhaines> pleia2: did Canonical provide new-branding Ubuntu nametags?
[05:29] <iheartubuntu> when I have some free time i might do a few mockups and see what everyone thinks
[05:33] <MarkDude> orange :P
[05:33] <MarkDude> The Ca logo rocks
[05:34] <MarkDude> It was even appreciated at FUDcon
[05:56] <MarkDude> rww too bad you are not on FB anymore http://www.fbanners.com/banners/932/i+like+turtles.html
[05:57] <rww> I deleted my cat's facebook profile today.
[05:57] <iheartubuntu> are we pushing kubuntu as well? will we have any kubuntu setups?
[05:57] <rww> also, this website confuses me. what is a banner
[05:57] <rww> iheartubuntu: DarkwingDuck will be there, so hopefully
[05:57] <rww> viva la KDE
[06:13] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: Yes
[06:14] <DarkwingDuck> I have Kubuntu on my laptop and I am pushing Kubuntu
[06:14] <iheartubuntu> turtles taste great
[06:15] <DarkwingDuck> :) That they do
[06:16] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[06:46] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: you might want to check the Ubuntu branding guidelines from Canonical.
[06:47] <iheartubuntu> ??
[06:47] <iheartubuntu> for the logo ideas?
[06:47] <nhaines> Branding guideline violations aside, the biggest things that jump out at me from the CD sleeves is that the Ubuntu logo is *way* too big and I'd rather see 32-bit/64-bit instead of i386/AMD64
[06:47] <nhaines> No, for the CD sleeves.
[06:48] <rww> It amuses me that Debian and Ubuntu call their 32-bit x86 architecture i386, and neither support i386 processors ;)
[06:49] <iheartubuntu> I can change it, I just used what was there
[06:50] <iheartubuntu> if the new logo was too big, then wasnt the old one too big? would you happen to have a link to the guidelines?
[06:51]  * iheartubuntu wonders if Canonical should provide basic artwork like cd sleeves so the brand image doesnt deviate
[06:52] <nhaines> http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/brand-communication-guide/
[06:52] <nhaines> http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/
[06:52] <iheartubuntu> i think the ubuntu name & logo would look out of proportion with the rest of the cover it was much smaller
[06:52] <iheartubuntu> ty
[06:55] <nhaines> Anyway, I just think the logo's too big and looks cramped.
[06:57] <iheartubuntu> it would be helpful if those guidelines had links to all the SVGs of the examples in the PDFs
[06:58] <iheartubuntu> i will try to update it based on the spacing around the name/logo and see how it turns out.
[06:59] <iheartubuntu> any searches i do pulls up OLD svgs
[07:01] <iheartubuntu> surprising whomever made the PDFs at canonicals pages didnt embed links to the various files they talk about
[07:02] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: they're all available from the ubuntu-brand-guidelines page.
[07:03] <iheartubuntu> logo assets?
[07:04] <iheartubuntu> yup thats it. thanks nhaines !
[07:06] <nhaines> No prob.
[07:09] <iheartubuntu> approved to switch to 32 bit and 64 bit?
[07:10] <iheartubuntu> i like that much better than 386/amd64
[07:11] <rww> It's technically ambiguous, but sounds like a good idea to me.
[07:31] <iheartubuntu> ive updated the files on my server. here is a PNG version of what it looks like now... http://iheartubuntu.com/ubuntu-us-ca/sleeve-02-13-2011.png
[07:31] <iheartubuntu> you may not like it. its not entirely different but i did follow the guidelines on the amount of spacing surrounding the logo
[07:32] <iheartubuntu> it is slightly smaller and doesnt hug the edges anymore
[07:40] <iheartubuntu> nhaines - possibly when i have time the whole cd sleeve should be reworked so it looks more professional. With pictograms and all.
[15:42] <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=101883396557677
[15:43] <MarkDude> Protect the wifi from pirates and raiders - next Sat at Saxbys, all are invited
[15:43] <MarkDude> Help us set up a classroom for teaching Linux, FOSS and other good stuff
[16:45] <jamiedmattingly> MarkDude,  ill be there looks like fun
[16:45] <MarkDude> Cool deal jamiedmattingly
[16:46] <MarkDude> Bring a laptop or 2 for testing it
[16:46] <jamiedmattingly> i have my netbook is that ok?
[16:46] <MarkDude> Yes
[16:46] <MarkDude> We want to test the wired also
[16:46] <MarkDude> this is phase 1
[16:47] <MarkDude> phase 2 (if needed) they will buy a router we can put Linux on
[16:47] <jamiedmattingly> i have an old laptop with lubuntu that is just wired
[16:47] <MarkDude> so we can control the bandwidth for meetings and stuff
[16:47]  * MarkDude has a few P2s he plans on testing- yay Puppy Linux
[16:48] <MarkDude> You driving or taking BART?
[16:48]  * MarkDude should put public transport option on the page
[16:50] <jamiedmattingly> ill be driving coming from vallejo there is no real pub trans to walnut creek that i know of
[16:53] <iheartubuntu> nhaines - Ive attempted to reduce the ubuntu font & circle of friends on the cover of the CD sleeve. I think it looks more professional. Let me know what you think. ty. http://iheartubuntu.com/ubuntu-us-ca/sleeve-alt-version2.png
[16:54] <iheartubuntu> if you like this version best, i can update the wiki
[16:58] <MarkDude> jamiedmattingly, nothing reasonable
[16:58] <MarkDude> like 3 buses to BART or Sumthin
[16:58] <MarkDude> you can park in back of Saxbys for FREE
[16:59] <jamiedmattingly> that was the plan
[17:00]  * MarkDude was thinking that if we have extra time - we can try a few networked games
[17:00] <jamiedmattingly> that sounds fun
[17:00] <MarkDude> We can also bring desktops if anyone feels bold
[17:00] <MarkDude> they have 2 bigscreens there- that make great monitors
[17:01] <MarkDude> GK has setup full machines there for release parties
[17:02] <MarkDude> akk, should I bring your plant to Socal?It may be some distance, but, I am not sure when would work otherwise
[17:03] <MarkDude> the ground cherry and a hummingbird plant
[17:03] <akk> MarkDude: Ha -- funny idea, but it would actually work! I could bring it home from there.
[17:03] <MarkDude> Cool
[17:03]  * MarkDude is also bringing a small starter as well as some seeds I just started
[17:04]  * MarkDude has always wanted to start seeds in February- this is hte 1st time I have done so
[17:04]  * akk just planted an apple tree over the weekend, keeps looking every few hours to see if there are any new buds :)
[17:04] <akk> I always start things a little too late. Over the winter I forget about planting.
[17:05]  * MarkDude planted the seeds yesterday- already checked on them 20 ties
[17:05] <MarkDude> times
[17:05] <MarkDude> my chocolate mint survivedthe winter
[17:05] <iheartubuntu> on burned CDs, do we just mark them on the disc as well, or do you guys go all out with cd labels
[17:06] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, normally use a sharpie to write on them also
[17:06] <iheartubuntu> ok cool
[17:06]  * MarkDude has someone else with *good* handwriting do so
[17:06] <iheartubuntu> do we print these cd sleeves on regular white paper? or some cardstock?
[17:07] <MarkDude> Regular white paper
[17:07] <MarkDude> laser printers do the best job of it
[17:11] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: 21:29:18 < nhaines> pleia2: did Canonical provide new-branding Ubuntu nametags?
[17:11] <pleia2> (the pack was sent to him, not me, I have to fly down and already have too much to pack :))
[17:11]  * MarkDude is making Fedbuntoo badges :D
[17:12] <iheartubuntu> wish i had color laser :)
[17:13] <iheartubuntu> wow, i found a site that prints color laser... 1000 cd sleeves would cost $70.
[17:20] <iheartubuntu> so liz will be carrying the penguin on board a plane? :)
[17:21] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 - are you interested in me updating the "with team information" fliers with the new ubuntu font/artwork?
[17:21] <pleia2> uninflated ;)
[17:21]  * MarkDude is looking forwardto pic with big-ass penguin
[17:21] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: our logo is on a lot of things, including all our printed t-shirts, we need to talk about this as a team if we want to update the logo
[17:21] <pleia2> I thought we had decided not too
[17:21] <pleia2> s/too/to
[17:22]  * MarkDude votes for keeping the awesome logo that rocks
[17:22] <MarkDude> they can pry it from my cold dead hands.....
[17:22] <pleia2> yeah, me too
[17:23] <jamiedmattingly> isnt the ubuntu logo itself changing with the new release?
[17:23] <MarkDude> It has an international appeal to it- everyone *knows* it is Cali
[17:23] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: yeah, it changed last year
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> i havent changed the logo on the links i provided on the scale page.
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> http://iheartubuntu.com/ubuntu-us-ca/
[17:23] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: there is no harm in offering your suggestions, I'm just saying that it's not up to me :)
[17:23] <MarkDude> We still are not FORCEd to change the logo
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> my logo and picto files are just ideas.
[17:23] <jamiedmattingly> its what was on grantbows shirt right??
[17:24] <iheartubuntu> the "sleeve-02-13-2011" version is the links i provided on the scale page. the alt versions are just that, alt versions.
[17:25] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: it's the very basic circle of friends: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=blackeubuntulogo.png
[17:25] <pleia2> grantbow's shirt was just a Ubuntu Developer Summit picture for Natty
[17:25] <MarkDude> https://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/FUDcon#5568817889103927714
[17:26] <MarkDude> The shirt is to the right on the pic
[17:27] <jamiedmattingly> ok thanks i was confused i guess. i am a blonde after all :)
[17:27]  * MarkDude thinks the new logo is contrary to one of the things that 1st interested me in Ubuntu
[17:27] <MarkDude> my circle of friends is varied
[17:28] <MarkDude> the idea of all the circles - all overthe world - being the same? :P
[17:28] <iheartubuntu> my ubuntu calif circle is more of a pictogram than anything.
[17:29]  * iheartubuntu is blonde too. maybe that explains things
[17:29] <pleia2> MarkDude: how can all circles be the same? humanity is very diverse :)
[17:31] <jamiedmattingly> especially here in cali
[17:33] <iheartubuntu> do we have an SVG of the ubuntu california logo? the "info-sheet-california.svg" is missing some graphic, i assume is the ubuntu california logo
[17:33] <pleia2> the svg is on the logo page
[17:33] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Logo
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> great, thanks
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> so many important ubuntu web links i have floating around now :)
[19:50] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: Not name tags no. I have lanyards and CD holders.
[19:55] <pleia2> ^^ nhaines
[20:27] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck, pleia2: thanks.  I remember Canonical saying they were going to send out printable templates for nametags.  I was hoping to co-opt them for Ubucon.  :)
[20:28] <nhaines> I'm going to try hard to get an Android scheduling app out for Ubucon.  Maybe for SCaLE too while I'm at it.
[20:29] <akk> That would be cool! If it saves the schedule so it works offline, I'd use it.
[20:35] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: I came up with a draft idea for one but when my old laptop died it died with it...
[20:36] <DarkwingDuck> More or less it was a calander reader
[20:37] <DarkwingDuck> You build a public calander with google and downloaded it via the app. THen you could star what you wanted to be a part of and it was give an alarm before it started.
[21:05] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[22:00] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: this is specifically for OpenConference, but I fail at git so I can't seem to grab the files.
[23:36] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: git clone gitaddress