[13:17] <munz_werk> morning
[13:31] <crashsystems> Good morning Florida. It must be a sane hour to be awake there, isn't it?
[13:32] <munz_werk> mornin crashsystems 
[13:33] <crashsystems> hello
[13:34] <mhall119> crashsystems: have you not slept yet?
[13:35] <crashsystems> no
[13:36] <crashsystems> I gave up and went to starbucks. got here just a minute ago
[13:39] <crashsystems> on the plus side, I'm in san fran, which is fun
[13:42] <DammitJim> morning
[13:42] <crashsystems> hello
[13:44] <dantalizing> morning
[13:44] <DammitJim> any of you on Tmobile?
[13:45] <DammitJim> dantalizing, are you running boxee at home?
[13:45] <crashsystems> I am
[13:45] <dantalizing> tmo ftw
[13:45] <crashsystems> on tmo, that is
[13:45] <crashsystems> I'm not liking tmo in SF
[13:45] <DammitJim> why not, crashsystems ? no 4G?
[13:45] <dantalizing> DammitJim: yes running boxee, but primarily use xbmc
[13:45] <crashsystems> I go into any building that does not have ample windows, and no reception
[13:45] <DammitJim> dantalizing, how do you use both?
[13:45] <DammitJim> oh, right, crashsystems that's a problem even here in Lake mary
[13:46] <dantalizing> DammitJim: quit the app and start the next
[13:46] <crashsystems> I don't get any reception at home in sunnyvale. fortunately I use wifi to make calls there
[13:46] <dantalizing> mmm ... kineto
[13:47] <DammitJim> dantalizing, so you are running just ubuntu as the os?
[13:47] <DammitJim> I mean... not the xbmc build
[13:47] <DammitJim> what ISP do you have out there, then, crashsystems ?
[13:47] <crashsystems> comcast
[13:47] <dantalizing> DammitJim: yes
[13:48] <dantalizing> DammitJim: i used the xmbc live iso from usb to install xbmc, then added boxee
[13:49] <DammitJim> how does that work, dantalizing ? can you just quit xbmc and then where does it go?
[13:49] <dantalizing> just goes to the user desktop
[13:49] <DammitJim> I'm really considering doing the xbmc install like yours but because of the remote control features
[13:50] <dantalizing> i like the android remotes
[13:50] <dantalizing> they're cool
[13:50] <dantalizing> the xbmc one has been flakey for me since the last update ... but still cool
[13:50] <DammitJim> android remotes for what?
[13:51] <DammitJim> boxee and xbmc?
[13:51] <dantalizing> the android xbmc & boxee remote apps
[13:51] <dantalizing> personally i prefer the wiimote plugin for xbmc though
[13:51] <DammitJim> I guess for those you have to have the latest version of xbmc and stuff
[13:52] <DammitJim> I like the RF remote I currently have, but there are times when the app closes and I have no way to restart it LOL
[13:52] <dantalizing> really?
[13:52] <dantalizing> how did you install?
[13:53] <crashsystems> there are IR remotes you can get that work great with boxee/ubuntu
[13:54] <dantalizing> someday i want to get them working with my harmony remote
[13:55] <DammitJim> dantalizing, you can! all you need is an IR to usb adapter
[13:55] <dantalizing> supposedly its just a media center remote to boxee/xbmc, but i've not gone back to try it
[13:55] <DammitJim> dantalizing, yeah, I bought a media center remote, but don't use the remote LOL
[13:55] <dantalizing> are you using the harmony remote with it?
[13:55] <DammitJim> the good thing about the remote is that I "taught" the RF one from the IR one... so that was easy
[13:55] <DammitJim> no, I have the Universal RF-20... it's old, but it does the job
[13:56] <dantalizing> oh thats right you have the rv
[13:56] <dantalizing> *rf
[13:56] <crashsystems> http://crashsystems.net/2010/01/streamzap-boxee-ubuntu/
[13:56] <dantalizing> someday when i grow up i'll sit down and do that
[13:57] <dantalizing> i've been holding off until i get my new dedicated machine
[13:57] <dantalizing> my asrock
[13:57] <dantalizing> still ...waiting ...
[13:58] <dantalizing> crashsystems: does taht just come with a dongle and a remote?
[13:58] <DammitJim> your ass rocks? what?
[13:58] <DammitJim> dedicated machine for what?
[13:58] <crashsystems> its not a dongle, but it is a usb device
[13:58] <crashsystems> and it has the remote too
[13:59] <crashsystems> it has a usb rf reader on the end of a cord, so you can put it wherever you want, and not have to aim the remote at the back of your computer.
[14:01] <dantalizing> DammitJim: http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Dual-Core-Atom-Wireless/dp/B002WP4AZC/ref=sr_1_cc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1297692060&sr=1-1-catcorr
[14:01] <dantalizing> dedicated machine for xbmc/boxee
[14:01] <DammitJim> oh
[14:01] <DammitJim> that's the guy that is super power efficient?
[14:02] <DammitJim> dammit... I have to remember to bring the cleaning duster home today to blow all the crap out of my server vents
[14:02] <dantalizing> its a dual core atom, so its semi-power efficient, and it has the nvidia ion, so itll do hd video decently
[14:02] <crashsystems> This is the one i set up for a media center pc: http://www.system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=95
[14:02] <dantalizing> mainly i want something small and quiet
[14:03] <DammitJim> dantalizing, I was looking for you the other night and sorry for jumping subjects... do you still use mint?
[14:03] <crashsystems> bloody osx has messed up my ctrl-c / ctrl-v reflexes.
[14:03] <DammitJim> lol
[14:03] <dantalizing> DammitJim: yes
[14:03] <dantalizing> crashsystems: is taht machine quiet?
[14:04] <dantalizing> and how well does it do hd?
[14:04] <crashsystems> IIRC it is fairly quiet. I only ever heard it when the room was silent. If a movie is playing, I didn't hear it.
[14:05] <crashsystems> IIRC it did hd well. didn't have much hd to test on it though.
[14:05] <dantalizing> i always run big buck bunny and elephants dream as tests
[14:06] <crashsystems> as a side note, i recently heard that boxee can play DVD ISO files.
[14:07] <DammitJim> my asus machine is loud as heck... but that's the fan problem i need to clean
[14:07] <dantalizing> i wish the boxee people would give all the "apps" to xbmc
[14:07] <dantalizing> the only reason i use boxee is for the "apps"
[14:07] <DammitJim> +1 dantalizing 
[14:07] <DammitJim> dantalizing, on mint, do you know if there is a way to "reconcile" each transaction?
[14:07] <DammitJim> I finally gave up and signed up for it
[14:07] <crashsystems> I'll be happy once google tv goes open source
[14:07] <dantalizing> for normal local media browsing i use xbmc
[14:08] <dantalizing> crashsystems: +1
[14:08] <DammitJim> but we like to check that our receipts match the bank
[14:08] <crashsystems> google tv + an app for managing local media collections + an app for doing dvr would be epic
[14:08] <dantalizing> DammitJim: never did that
[14:08] <dantalizing> DammitJim: we never use checks :)
[14:08] <DammitJim> no, no checks
[14:08] <DammitJim> receipts
[14:08] <crashsystems> of course, also a user agent switcher app so you could actually watch online tv with it
[14:09] <DammitJim> I've had times when a restaurant charged me more for tips for example
[14:09] <dantalizing> crashsystems: yes, myth's dvr functionality +xbmc +gtv = win
[14:09] <dantalizing> DammitJim: nice
[14:09] <DammitJim> dantalizing, but you don't know of a way for doing this?
[14:09] <dantalizing> i've never tried to go back and verify
[14:09] <dantalizing> i mean ... i do
[14:09] <crashsystems> I get using myth in there, but what woud xbmc be doing in that mix?
[14:10] <dantalizing> but not the way you're looking for
[14:10] <dantalizing> crashsystems: i like the ui
[14:10]  * crashsystems has a hard time typing with =~ 24 hours without sleep.
[14:10] <DammitJim> dantalizing, how do you verify, then? I'm not criticizing... just trying to understand other ways of doing this
[14:10] <crashsystems> at least miserably failing at typing feels quite nice on a thinkpad
[14:10] <DammitJim> lately it seems that doing this budget thing is way too complicated and it shouldn't
[14:11] <dantalizing> DammitJim: basically all i do is pull out my receipts and find them in mint to make sure they're the same
[14:11] <DammitJim> ok, but you don't explicitly mark them on mint
[14:11] <dantalizing> DammitJim: or more often, i see something in mint that I dont recognize or that doesnt look right, and i go dig for the receipt
[14:11] <DammitJim> that's all, right?
[14:11] <dantalizing> correct
[14:12] <DammitJim> I mean... if for some reason you don't have a receipt, then it just doesn't get compared
[14:12] <dantalizing> right
[14:12] <dantalizing> i cant believe there wouldnt be a reconcile function
[14:13] <DammitJim> dantalizing, that's what I was struggling Saturday night with
[14:13] <DammitJim> there probably is, but I don't know how to search LOL
[14:14] <DammitJim> I was even wondering if like Bank of America's reconcile field would reflect on mint, but it doesn't
[14:14] <dantalizing> i'm just looking at the mint help and all i see is people asking for that
[14:14] <DammitJim> but then that'd be double work
[14:14] <DammitJim> ok, then I didn't search wrong
[14:14] <DammitJim> dammit... maybe I should just buy quicken
[14:14] <crashsystems> BoA truncates passwords to 20 characters.
[14:15] <DammitJim> dammit!
[14:15] <dantalizing> intuit owns both ... maybe they'll "fix" mint someday
[14:15] <DammitJim> but that's why you have to verify your image with the image description LOL
[14:15] <DammitJim> man, for the 5 bucks I might be missing for not reconciling, it's probably not worth my time
[14:16] <dantalizing> bank of america is evil
[14:16] <dantalizing> they're the at&t of banking
[14:16] <dantalizing> only worse
[14:16] <DammitJim> LOL
[14:16] <DammitJim> so, last topic I had to ask you guys
[14:16] <dantalizing> its off topic monday!
[14:17] <DammitJim> I went to a T-mobile store on Friday and they totally screwed up my account
[14:17] <dantalizing> who can fix my auto insurance?
[14:17] <DammitJim> it took them 3.5 hours to fix it
[14:17] <DammitJim> should I file a complaint? I missed 4.5 hours of work because of that
[14:17] <DammitJim> and at the end of the day, I never got a new free phone and my account now says I can't upgrade my phones for another 2 years, even though everything is "back to normal"
[14:19] <DammitJim> ... ironically enough... as I waited for them to fix my account, I was standing right next to a J.D. Power & Associates sign that said: "The customer is always right. T-mobile ranked highest for customer service"
[14:19] <DammitJim> wth?
[14:20] <dantalizing> i've always had great service from tmo
[14:20] <DammitJim> me, too... oh, one note... this wasn't a true t-mobile store... it was one of those in the middle of the mall
[14:21] <dantalizing> not sure who you can complain to
[14:21] <dantalizing> try to escalate with custemer service?
[14:21] <DammitJim> when I went to the actual t-mobile store, they helped me
[14:21] <DammitJim> yeah, maybe that's all I can do
[14:21] <DammitJim> just inform them of the bad customer service at that store
[14:22] <DammitJim> I would hate for someone else to go through this
[14:22] <dantalizing> i never trust those middle of the mall phone stores
[14:22] <dantalizing> smita lost her phone once, and one of those places wanted to charge me $25 for a new sim (we had another phone) ... i went to the tmo store and they gave us the replacement sim for free
[14:22] <DammitJim> me neither, but the real t-mobile store was packed because of the "free phone deal" and the island seemed to be a tru t-mobiile store
[14:23] <DammitJim> they did? the true tmo store wanted $20, but a friend gave me his
[14:23] <DammitJim> it's weird... none of my upgrade phone boxes had a sim card... it's like they keep them
[14:39] <reya276> Morning Everyone
[14:42] <munz_werk> morning
[14:42] <crashsystems> hello
[16:01] <dantalizing> morning reya276 
[16:01] <reya276> hey