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chibihogoshinocyberanger: i wonder what this is going to do to qt ..00:29
cyberangersame here00:30
chibihogoshinocommunity maybe00:30
chibihogoshinoits open source so that cant really change00:30
vychuneo/00:30
chibihogoshinoeh vychune00:31
vychunewhat were you guys talking about?00:31
chibihogoshinonokia and ms00:32
cyberangerhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/content/oh-nokia-we-loved-you-so :-(00:32
vychunelol00:35
vychunethats messed up00:35
chibihogoshinothe ceo of nokia was working at ms00:36
chibihogoshinoi think he is the ceo00:36
vychunesmh]00:38
vychuneMoney chanes people00:38
chibihogoshinoi think it was planed00:39
cyberangerhttp://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=2011011600:42
cyberangerexplaining the css-decryption source code to the mpaa00:43
vychunehmm00:46
vychunelol00:47
cyberangerthere's just something in that that appeals to me00:50
vychunelol00:58
cyberangerI don't think it's the thumb or wrist00:59
cyberangerof course I've been reading source code all day it seems, but I think it's one of the four fingers, just which one01:00
vychuneok stop it01:00
cyberanger;-)01:00
vychunehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPUgZlN6cdA&feature=fvw01:03
chibihogoshinohttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682215224201:39
wrstnice chibihogoshino01:40
wrst1TB laptop!01:40
chibihogoshinoyepp01:40
chibihogoshinoit would be nice01:40
chibihogoshinoi could stick two in here01:41
chibihogoshinoi would have 5 min of battery too01:41
cyberangerunfortunately the price hasn't dropped01:41
cyberangerI looked at it back in December, portable ubuntu mirror (still my current plan too)01:42
chibihogoshinohard drives ?01:43
cyberangeryeah, a 2.5' 1tb hdd drive01:45
cyberangeran atheros wifi card01:45
cyberangerand a usb ethernet nic01:45
cyberangerit'd be a nice upgrade for my laptop01:46
cyberangerportable router-server combo01:46
cyberangergreat for an installfest01:47
cyberangerright now I'm only mirroring hardy and lucid01:48
cyberangerand that's 120GB right there01:48
cyberangerthe full mirror is 320GB or so01:49
cyberangerand expanding01:49
chibihogoshinodamn01:49
cyberangerthe cd's are fairly consistant at 64GB01:50
cyberangerso  yeah, it'd be the perfect #swissknife-router testing kit01:51
cyberangerand when I'm done, host an nstallfest of it at a linux conf01:51
chibihogoshinothat would be cool02:07
cyberangerchibihogoshino: have you heard about UBB?02:08
chibihogoshinono02:08
cyberangerUser Based Billing?02:08
chibihogoshinofor who02:08
cyberangerhttp://www.security-camera-warehouse.com/blog/1300/from-the-guys-behind-canadiandownload-com-dont-stop-now02:08
cyberangerwell, for everyon in Canada, getting the short end of the stick by their isp02:09
cyberangerand their isp's isp02:09
cyberangerone more reason I like this, is if stopping UBB fails, there's at least a backup mechnisim for getting around the caps02:10
chibihogoshinoahh. reading subtitles and articles is hard02:10
cyberangerbasically, it's a license to get your wallet screwed02:10
chibihogoshinothats not good02:11
cyberangerwell, think of if you just had a mirror on your laptop, and rsync'd the changes between other mirrors02:11
cyberangerto circumvent the cap02:12
cyberangerwhich is what'd have to happen02:12
cyberangerwhich is another reason large storage drives are good02:12
chibihogoshinohmm02:13
chibihogoshinoso we couldnt download allot ?02:13
cyberanger(canada is an issue in pricing, africa and australia is one of technology)02:14
cyberanger25GB a month02:14
chibihogoshinowow .. thats nothing02:14
cyberangerand after that, 2 dollars a GB (that's 1.80 Dollars of pure profit for the major isp who's collecting it)02:14
chibihogoshinonice02:15
cyberangersome areas that's bigger or smaller, I think that's avg.02:15
cyberangerno, not nice, a ripoff02:15
chibihogoshinoeveryone should just cancel their service and that would let them know how they feel02:15
cyberangerlet's cancel the internet :-( not really an option02:16
cyberangeralso, keep in mind some background reasons here02:17
cyberangerif we can's stream netflix and hulu, we're gonna pay charter for cbs and hbo02:17
cyberangerif we can't listen to pandora, we listen to the radio02:17
cyberangerit's not 1.80 dollars per gig they're trying to protect02:18
cyberangerit's their even more lucritave cable agreements02:18
cyberangerand advertising revenue02:18
chibihogoshinohmm02:22
cyberangerand at least it's easier to boycott the providers than boycotting china02:23
cyberanger"they even make the free tibet stickers"02:23
chibihogoshinoi had one of those02:28
chibihogoshinothe sites that need open bandwidth should all get together and say fuck you and start their own service02:35
* cyberanger is working on just that02:35
vychuneHAHAHAH02:36
cyberangerwhile I'm on it, I'm giving the MPAA the finger too http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=2011011602:36
chibihogoshinohaha,  vychune ?02:36
vychuneyeah that was funny to me02:37
chibihogoshinoi like how sony is goin after people for cracking the ps3 ..02:37
chibihogoshinothey said who ever posts the key is going to get sued and the ceo re tweeted it02:37
cyberangerouch02:39
* cyberanger is glad for anonmyous methods02:39
cyberangerpastebin it from microsoft's wifi, watch hilarity insue02:39
vychuneikr02:39
* cyberanger assumes that's "I know, really"02:40
vychunei know right02:41
chibihogoshinoこにちわ02:41
chibihogoshinowhat does that look like ?02:42
cyberangerchibihogoshino: my UTF-8 support letting my down again02:42
vychunejapanese02:42
cyberangerhey linuxman41002:42
vychuneo/02:42
chibihogoshinocyberanger: text irc ?02:42
linuxman410no wander you can not get people to try ubuntu you go into ubuntu channel and get a bunch of smart buts02:43
chibihogoshinolinuxman410: when you get asked the same thing 50 times a day it gets old02:43
linuxman410i ask it one time02:44
chibihogoshinoyou have a problem ?02:44
cyberangerchibihogoshino: huh02:45
linuxman410has anyone installed linux on NetTop eBox-4300 that is what i ask and got a bunch of smart alliact answers02:45
vychunelol02:46
chibihogoshinothen ask it again02:46
cyberangerlinuxman410: there is points for trying first, but yeah lousy02:46
cyberangerthat's why I'd like our loco to offer help too02:46
cyberangersince that mess is hard to fight02:46
linuxman410i told smarty pants by and i did not need him02:47
chibihogoshinoLinux has also been adopted by some nettop manufacturers as it costs little to no money to install and supports a wide range of CPU architectures. Google's Android Linux distribution is another option. Although Google's Android was originally announced for smartphones, it has also taken a seat in the nettop market.02:47
chibihogoshinoit seams like something a forum would be better asked in02:48
linuxman410well at least the people of linuxmint treat you like a person and so do the ones at crunchbang02:50
chibihogoshinodid you say stop being a dick ?02:51
vychunehmm02:51
vychunewhy would he say that lol02:52
cyberangervychune: sometimes it works :-(02:53
cyberangerlinuxman410: yeah, and the loco's too02:53
chibihogoshinovychune: people were not being so nice ...02:54
cyberanger#ubuntu seems to be a trolling target now, unfortunately02:54
vychuneoooooooh02:54
cyberangerlinuxman410: what about here?02:54
cyberanger;-)02:54
linuxman410this is the only ubuntu room where i get treated like a person02:55
chibihogoshinotry #anime or #linuxoutlaws02:55
vychunelol02:55
chibihogoshinowhat02:56
vychunethat akward moment we had in #anime02:56
chibihogoshinowhat one ?02:56
vychunethe first one02:57
chibihogoshinosorry, i forget what it was about02:57
chibihogoshinoor i cant remember right now02:57
cyberangerwait, there was more than one awkard moment, usually one's enought02:57
vychuneyeah whats the other one?02:58
chibihogoshinowas it awkward tho ?02:58
linuxman410back in a minute going down stairs02:58
vychuneyou said something, then i was "um hey"02:58
chibihogoshinowhat did we talk about ? or was it even we ?02:58
chibihogoshinoanimes ?02:59
vychunethen you were like "oh uh hey vychune"02:59
vychunehold on02:59
vychunechibihogoshino> um03:00
vychune<chibihogoshino> uh03:00
vychune<chibihogoshino> eh03:00
vychune<vychune> hey fancy meeting you here03:00
chibihogoshinooh the person before than said they like bleach03:02
chibihogoshinoi was all like .. uhhhh yeah03:02
chibihogoshinoand they rejected everything i suggested they watch03:02
cyberangerok fellas, this is a really bad inside joke, I don't get it03:03
chibihogoshino:-)03:06
chibihogoshinoanimes03:06
techMilescyberanger: hey there03:09
vychunelol03:09
cyberangerhttp://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=2011021303:14
cyberangerhey techMiles03:14
techMilesthis chatper was about data acquisition03:15
techMilesthis weeks' chapter in DF*03:15
cyberangerintresting03:16
techMilesyeah03:16
techMilesstatic, live, and network acquisitions/tools03:16
techMilesyeah. :D03:20
techMilesthe forensics channels here are damn quiet. :P03:21
linuxman410not all channels are quiet03:22
techMilesthe forensics channels are.03:23
linuxman410ubuntu takes forever to boot from cd03:23
cyberangeroh, network acquisiton, that's real fun03:23
cyberangertechMiles: unfortunate03:23
techMilesit is indeed, cyberanger.03:23
cyberangerbut yeah, so quiet you can hear a ping drop03:24
techMilesahaha.03:25
techMilesI like that.03:25
techMilesthat's going in my fav quotes03:25
techMilesif I may, cyberanger ?03:25
linuxman410cyberanger how long does it usually take 10.10 to boot on a 1.603:27
cyberangertechMiles: sure, I've worn it dead anyhow03:28
cyberangerlinuxman410: 1.6 what?03:28
cyberangerGHZ?03:28
cyberangerprocessor?03:28
linuxman410processor03:28
cyberanger1.6 Ghz, hrm, and how much ram03:29
linuxman4102 gig03:29
cyberangerall stock, depends on hardware some, but I'd think 1-2 minutes03:30
linuxman410i started booting it 5 minutes ago and its still trying to boot03:30
cyberangerhrm, I've got one machine that does something like that, failing power supply03:30
cyberangeralso another machine is under specs03:30
linuxman410this is a atom 1.603:31
cyberangerlinuxman410: any images on screen03:31
linuxman410yeahn ubuntu with  the little dot going across the bottom of it03:31
cyberangermy machine with a bad power supply is 2.0Ghz, 1GB ram, the other is 900mhz single core, with 256 ram I think03:31
cyberangermight be doing a check, perhaps an ext filesystem check and repair03:32
linuxman410i hit reset button to try it again03:33
cyberangerlinuxman410: careful, I wonder on the underlying reason03:37
cyberanger(those numbers are a little guesswork, since all my systems are custom somehow, either with fde or stripped down and turned into a router, or fde and openbox instead of gnome)03:38
cyberangerbut >5 minutes != reasonable boot time03:38
linuxman410i am going to use the alterative cd03:39
cyberangercool03:40
cyberangerthat's what I do03:40
linuxman410'guess i got to stay out of ubuntu room for a while03:46
vychunelol03:47
vychunegtg folks03:47
cyberangerlinuxman410: never a bad idea, if you can help it03:55
techMilescyberanger: I'm running into a small issue.03:56
techMileswe had to take an image file provided for us with the book, and restore it to a device, preferably a small-ish flashdrive.03:57
techMilesI did so, and ran a hash on both the image file and the device to which the image file was restored, but they do NOT match..03:57
techMileswhile this isn't required for the project in this chapter, I figured it'd be good to get into the habit.03:58
linuxman410cyberanger what is never a bad ideal03:58
techMilesdon't they need to match?03:58
techMilesMeh. Will inquire with the prof about it later04:02
linuxman410cyberanger you still here04:02
cyberangerlinuxman410: staying out of #ubuntu04:03
cyberangertechMiles: hrm, uh, let me think on that04:03
cyberangerrestoring files for forensics seems like an oxymoron04:03
techMileswell, I think the idea is that if you capture an image, you can restore it to another of your own (clean) drives for analysis if you don't have the space on the system itself to keep it? I'm not entirely sure.04:04
techMilesit doesn't really explain the logical application of -that-.04:04
linuxman410i may  go back later it was probably a youngster i was probably using linux while he was in his diaper04:04
techMilesHAHHHH04:57
techMilesjust used FTK to do my work for me.04:57
techMileshowever, will have to nix the exporting of all the deleted files. Too large to submit.04:58
techMilesfor courseowkr04:58
wrstGood morning tennessee12:53
oriaso/16:28
Svpernova09>.>16:29
wrstcyberanger: i hate to be a pain, but our staus could stand to be changed :)19:24
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techMileshey wrst19:35
wrsthey techMiles19:35
wrstwhat's up?19:35
techMileslol. I was about to ask you the same thing.19:35
techMilesNot much.19:36
techMilesjust got up a bit ago.. around 12:30.19:36
wrstmonday monday monday techMiles19:36
techMileshave eaten, and am chilling before hitting homework19:36
wrstoh the life techMiles19:36
techMilesmaybe not THE life, but MY life.19:36
techMilesI'm having a career path crisis again. sorta.19:36
wrstha ha well if you can get up at noon that's good in my book19:37
techMilesat first, I wanted to do networking stuff, then networking and security, then/now kinda wanna do security and forensics.19:37
techMilesand now I'm considering adding webdesign somewhere in the mix. or maybe just webdesign.19:37
pace_t_zuluall of those could overlap19:37
pace_t_zului'd imagine web design would be the lowest stress job19:37
techMilespace_t_zulu: eh, maybe. lol.19:37
pace_t_zulu^ unsolicited opinion19:37
techMilesit kinda depends.19:38
wrsttechMiles, low stress is great19:38
techMilesI'd think the security stuff would be. Because, you'll be guaranteed to have a boss that knows what the heck is up when it comes to reprimanding you.19:38
techMilesSO chances are, if you know what you're doing, and follow policy, you'll be fine.19:38
techMileswith webdesign, you've got people who have no idea working over you, and telling you what needs doing.19:38
pace_t_zulutechMiles: i wouldn't assume the boss is guaranteed to know what the heck is up...19:39
techMilesand ridiculous deadlines so you have to scrape stuff together to make them in time. and then a hundred problems on day1.19:39
techMilesTrue, but I'd think it more likely than most of the others.19:39
techMilesjust because it is a bit more of a delicate field. 'can I do this, am I alllowed to do that. Have to follow policy to-the-letter if I do this'. You'd need a supervisor who can help/control all of that.19:40
techMilesokay so maybe that ought to be 'you SHOULD have a supervisor...'19:40
techMileswrst: what do you think? I want as much input as i can handle on this.. :D19:43
techMilesand pace_t_zulu that is a good point. Why do you think that webdesign would be the lowest stress?19:43
techMilesjust because it isn't handling sensitive data?19:43
wrsttechMiles: i really have no opinion i'm not in the IT field19:43
pace_t_zulutechMiles: i'd imagine anything involving security would elevate the stress level19:44
techMilesYeah.19:44
pace_t_zulutechMiles: so i suppose designing a website that *needs* to be secure could have elevated stress levels as well19:44
pace_t_zulutechMiles: also with generic networking ... network availability is a big deal and a 24/7 kind of problem... i could see that creating stressful moments19:45
techMilesindeed19:45
techMilesyeah.19:45
pace_t_zulutechMiles: web design can always overlap with those two fields though... depending upon what level you are involved at19:47
techMilesYeah.19:47
techMilesI suppose the place to start with it is finding where i wanna begin.19:47
techMilesa triple-quadruple major doesn't sound fun.19:47
techMilesor feasible.19:47
pace_t_zulutechMiles: what majors are you considering?19:55
techMilesheh. all of the listed above.19:55
techMilesif I do networking,  I'll do networking coupled w/ security.19:55
techMilesI've pondered doing networking and security, coupled w/ digital forensics19:55
pace_t_zuluare those majors?20:00
techMilessome are majors, and some are majors w/ a secondary focus.20:00
chibihogoshinolinuxout laws is live20:08
chibihogoshinohttp://live.linuxoutlaws.com:8216/live20:08
cyberangerwrst: whoops, How'd I overlook that20:21
wrstahh much better cyberanger :)20:22
wrstthanks!20:22
techMilescyberanger: do you have any thoughts on the above from me?20:24
cyberangerwrst: not my work20:26
cyberangerwrst: thank pace_t_zulu, we caught it before me20:27
wrstahh ok thanks pace_t_zulu :)20:27
cyberangertechMiles: probally, but I'd have to read my logs a bit first20:27
techMileslol. No worries20:27
cyberangertechMiles: why choose20:29
cyberangerthey overlap20:29
techMileswell, if nothing else I have to choose a starting point.20:29
cyberangerI'd leave web design out, that seems to be one that is more stress20:30
cyberangercustomers leaning over you, watching you work, annoys me a bit more than others20:31
cyberangernetworking and security really overlap in terms of where you get hired, and if you have a security issue (possible) forensics overlaps20:32
techMilesand a lot of it, even without that, is so subjective... what you see for a design may not be what they like.20:32
cyberangerand that's the order I'd do it20:32
techMilesyeah. I knew network and security overlapped.20:32
techMilesAlright.20:32
cyberangernetworking security and forensics20:33
cyberangerhowever, I'd tweak it a little, stick A+ and Linux+ before network+ and security+ (and the forensics cert of your choice)20:34
techMilescool. I'll note that, and probably ask a professor or two of mine for more info to see what he/she'd recommend.20:34
techMilesWhy A+ and Linux+ first?20:34
cyberangerA+ is a backbone cert, everything else builds on it20:34
techMilesahh.20:35
cyberangerLinux+ becuase that's one you've probally got a headstart on (this is a linux channel, right? ;-))20:37
cyberangerand it's also one alot of people (understandably) overlook20:37
techMilesyeah20:38
techMilesand can help with a sysadmin job if they run any sort've a linux server.20:38
cyberangerbut your looking at forensics too, and linux is big in servers and the embedded market, and cellphones too now20:38
cyberangerand that could help you for the mac and *nix tasks for forensics20:39
cyberangerexactly, all help further down, but if things change, for whatever reason, you still have a core that you can use20:40
techMilesyeah.20:40
techMilesbecause things may change drastically, but the basic linux will more than likely stay, and basic a+.20:41
techMilesnetworking is going to change a fair bit, how it's done, etc, with IPv620:41
techMilesbut the base will still be good20:41
cyberangerwell, they all change at points20:41
cyberangerbut companies don't change overnight either20:41
cyberangerso you'll want it to stand up long enough to get in, and learn on the job too20:42
cyberangerand idk, you may want some MSCE certs (I've tried to avoid them, due to the disclaimer http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000213 )20:43
techMilesyeah. that won't be difficult, with an arsenal of a+, linux+ and net+, and then if I add sec+ I wo't have a problem finding a job, so long as I'm willing to move for it.20:43
techMilesI'd like to find courses geared around getting the certs, though.20:45
techMilesI do a lot better with structured courses.20:45
cyberangerI'd think that's how your college is setup, mine was that way20:54
cyberangerbut idk, I think you've got a list for your advisor now20:55
techMilesyeah. and eh, it really isn't. They'd -like- it to be that way.20:57
cyberangerthere's a point where your too close21:01
cyberangerand that might be what they mean21:01
cyberangerwe leave some holes out, but it's enough to spend 5 more hours and pass21:02
cyberangergotta run, should be back in an hour21:02
Xpistosis the boot screen for 11.04 better than 10.10. Cause 10.10 is bad21:06
pace_t_zuluXpistos: looks like its better... i wouldn't say it's very good though21:13
* wrst doesn't really mind the boot screen too much21:42
Xpistosits yucky21:45
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cyberangerhey vychune23:00
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